One Addendum on Eternal Security and Calvary Chapel. Some Calvary Chapels, like Chuck Smith, say they believe in “Eternal Security” but define it as “As long as I abide in Christ, I’m eternally secure”, but still leave room that someone could apostatize. This is a different definition from most who claim to believe in eternal security, who would say that for a true believer, they will always be saved, no chance of being lost again. Additionally, some Calvary Chapels do teach a person cannot apostatize. So there are churches in Calvary Chapel with both positions. See examples below: Chuck Smith | “We believe in the security of the believer, but we also believe in the “perseverance of the saints.” We don’t believe that just because you are a saint you will persevere but that you need to persevere because you’re a saint. Jesus said, “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed” (John 8:31), and “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned” (John 15:6). So, we seek a balance. Hard stands on these non-foundational issues only empty a church of members from Methodist, Nazarene, and other Arminian-influenced backgrounds. The issue of eternal security is debatable at best. There are Scriptures on both sides… I tell people that, of course, I believe in eternal security. As long as I abide in Christ, I’m eternally secure. As long as I abide in Him, He’s going to keep me from falling and present me faultless before His glorious presence. I believe that and I experience God’s security.” www.calvarychapelmagazine.org/index.php/calvary-chapel-articles/620-pastor-chuck-smith *Some Calvary Chapels do teach that you can be saved and then apostatize:* Calvary Chapel Tri-Cities | “…there's people who right now are hearing this are mad at me because I'm just quoting the Bible and the reason is because we have doctrinal positions that we've come up with that just go against scripture just go against plain Scripture there's a whole book of warnings in the book of Hebrews about not walking away from Christ and so my answer to your first part of the question is obviously I can walk away from Jesus…” th-cam.com/video/yC1Gmjhgi1A/w-d-xo.html “…what gets a person rejected by Christ as the fact that they'll reject him said you confess me before men I confess him before my father you deny me I deny you also.” th-cam.com/video/yC1Gmjhgi1A/w-d-xo.html Calvary Crawfordsville | “When somebody says ‘can I lose my salvation?’ Well, just keep growing and you don't have anything to worry about. Now if you're asking me if I can live in the world and live however I want apart from God's desires and still be saved because at one time in my life I was baptized or one time in my life, I went forward in a church… I don't know if I can make that guarantee from the scriptures, but I can say that if you'll keep growing in Christ that you'll never fall. So once you've found Jesus and accept him into your life, stay the course.” th-cam.com/video/ZzTKR2C8hEI/w-d-xo.html Calvary Chapel Pasadena | “. The phrase “some will depart from the faith” creates a problem with some from the human perspective in their unbalanced understanding of what is called “eternal security” by the teaching of five point Calvinist. The departure from the faith is the outcome of the exercise of one's own free will to choose. Josh. 24:15 a. Every believer still has a free will to choose, reject or abandon b. This is a valid and necessary Biblical doctrine. The Scriptures are very clear that some who appear to depart were never of the faith in the first place. 1Jn. 2:18-19 a. This is always an absolute possibility when someone departs from the faith, but not the only one. The Scriptures are equally clear that there are some that do depart or stray from the faith having known the truth.” www.calvarychapelpasadena.com/wp-content/uploads/ds_217.pdf (Page 5) Calvary Vista | “…although I don’t believe you can lose your salvation like we lose our keys, oh where did it go, I sinned my way out of salvation - nope, I do believe there is enough exhortations in the scripture to stay, to keep yourself in the love of God (Jude 1:21), enough warnings about falling away in the book of Hebrews (2:1, 3:12)” media.calvaryvista.com/library/duff-jason/studies-books/06-JOS-2014/06-JOS-020-001.pdf (Page 4) Calvary Chapel Anne Arundel | “Paul’s letter to Timothy says that in the latter days (not necessarily meaning last days, just days after Paul writes these things), that some will depart from the faith. Depart is the word (apostasy), and it means to leave the faith. That is what it says, so I just read it for what it says. You have to do a lot of theological gymnastics to make it mean anything less than what it says, that people depart from the faith, meaning they were of the faith.” ccaac.org/hp_wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Ephesians-Notes.pdf (Page 36) *Some Calvary Chapels do teach eternal security:* Calvary Sydney | “We believe that all the redeemed are kept by God’s power and are thus secure in Christ forever” www.calvarysydney.com/files/CCS%20Application%20Worship%20Ministry%202018.pdf (Page 6) Calvary Chapel of Manitowoc | “I don’t believe you can lose your salvation, walk away from it after you have been saved? I don’t believe you can. I don’t believe that the Scriptures support that!” ccmanitowoc.org/wp-content/uploads/sermons/2020/04/TH3538-I-TIMOTHY-4.pdf (Page 5) ---- Finally, David Guzik here presents a common Calvary Chapel position, which is that the positions are relatively the same, because in the end apostates are taught to be apostate, but one side says they were saved and now lost, and the other side says they were never saved. th-cam.com/video/AFBvKpOWHHU/w-d-xo.html
John 15 tells us to abide and bear fruit... if not then then one can become in real danger of apostasy. Remember it is not those who sin and repent that continue to practice sin, It is those who DO practice sin that can refuse Gods word and fall from grace
My experience with Calvary Chapel (I have attended several and been heavily involved in them. Two of my good friends are pastors at one, and my brother in law used to be) is that Calvary Chapels teach a very simplified version of Molinism while not knowing what Molinism is. They would affirm every aspect of Molinism, but then say they aren't Molinist basically.
I have also never met any Calvary pastor who would reject eternal security. They hold pretty much exactly what the SBC teaches: regardless of if you CAN lose your salvation, no Christian ever WILL lose it.
@@ryantannar5301 Thanks Ryan for sharing your experience. With that in mind, realize that the above comment shows five examples of Calvary Chapel churches that do not teach eternal security, so there are churches both ways.
@@ReadyToHarvest I am a bit surprised by that, but it makes sense given how independent Calvary Chapels are. The other thing with them is that, with a few notable exceptions, the pastors tend to be rather theologically illiterate. My personal experience was not so, but on the whole CC tends to view seminary education as a bad thing, with most of their pastors receiving most of their theological training from mentors. It results in some very poorly fleshed out ideas (see my above comment about molinism. And lest my comment be taken the wrong way, I'm no expert. I have not attended seminary nor have I studied enough to consider myself on par with someone who has.
I've been attending a Calvary Chapel for eight years now and one of my favorite things is that they teach verse-by-verse and through the entire Bible. So, instead of one Sunday being a completely different book than last week, we study an entire book until it is finished. Also, for infants, they do a baby dedication instead of the sprinkle/infant baptism.
Calvary chapels have two errors, their church government which is modeled after Moses. This type of church government is absolutely disastrous and can quickly lord over the congregation. Second they are charismatic, which the sign gifts truly did cease at the completion of the canon (I Corinthians 13:8). Calvary chapels claim to be non denominational, but in reality they operate like a denomination.
@@GeoCalifornian The Moses model is not the correct New Testament local church government. In the New Testament local churches are governed by a plurality of elders (Philippians 1:1, Titus 1). The Moses model applied to a local New Testament church is error and is an example of not rightly dividing word (II Timothy 2:15). It's taking something from a past dispensation and applying it to this present dispensation, which is error.
@@NorCalGospelPreacher -- The Moses model applied to a local Church is not in error because deacons are pastors; could this be an example of not rightly dividing word? (II Timothy 2:15) --which requires knowledge of local Church customs of the New Testament. /Lonewolf Liberties
@@GeoCalifornian Deacons are not pastors, you need to study some more. Deacons serve in the physical things (Acts 6:1-6). A pastor serves in the spiritual things. A great example of the officers in a local church is in Philippians 1:1 where there are Deacons and bishops (plural). There is not a single verse to defend your Moses model from the Old Testament. You keep taking something from a past dispensation and applying it to our dispensation, you are not rightly dividing the word. I suggest to go study more on ecclesiology.
Yes, even Chuck Smith taught this, I believe. They go so far as to say you cannot commit apostasy, but rather, you were never a true believer if you're now an unbeliever or unrepentant.
@@seth3850 Early on Chuck Smith did teach OSAS, but towards the end of his life I heard him preach warning believers that it was essential to abide in Christ and bear Godly fruit (John 15) until the end. We must remember that Jesus warned those who "practice iniquity" will not see heaven. I go to CC that is somewhat in the middle, for they believe (as the scriptures warn) that apostasy, and falling away means what it says, and says what it means still
Love your channel man. My family left an E-free for a Calvery Chapel about a year ago. The line by line sermon is awesome. I get so much more out of it. I'm feeling post-trib rapture but I get the feeling it wouldn't cause an issue to discuss. We were disappointed with our E-free joining the corona hysteria. We went to the Calvery Chapel for lack of options and loved it. They didn't forsake the gathering of Beleivers. There are good E-free people though. Not bad mouthing anyone.
Yeah, while Calvary tends to be mostly pre trib, if you expressed that you believed in post trib, and the reasons behind that decision, I highly doubt you would be shunned or anything. I found Calvary by radio in so cal and loved it. Seems very biblically based and evidence based(IOW positions are not held because of tradition).
Agreed! I’m a CC attendant but for searching the scriptures for myself…I just don’t see a pretrib rapture. Have you heard of Mike Winger? He’s a Calvary pastor online who is brave enough to say he isn’t set on a pretrib rapture either.
Thank you so much for your work here. Understanding Biblical foundations for Christian denominations helps form better engagement with various denominational materials, and provides clarity both historically and ecumenically on difficult Biblical passages and engagments.
Paul warned against denominations in 1 Corinthians chapter 1. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Manmade doctrines really do fall apart, so it is better for me to understand what these doctrines are, and how these others engage with them, so I am better equipped to respond Biblically and not in my own false or misunderstanding.
5:34 EFCA pastor here. While encouraging abstinence maybe the "official" stance, I know for a fact that most of us enjoy a nice glass of beer or a dram of whisky.
I love your neutrality in stating facts and not interjecting opinion. I have learned so much about denominations and Christian history from watching these videos, and I have a lot more to go. (Though you could speak a little slower LOL.) Thank you for all the time, effort, and research you put into your videos. I have been blessed by them.
EFCA churches are very large and seem well run in Texas. Plus they are apart of the National Association of Evangelicals. The other two are not. I visited a Calvary Chapel when I first moved and have been going to a SBC for two years. I want to go see an EFCA now.
I’m so glad I found this channel! One of the things that interest me most are other Christian denominations and how the vary from mine (LCMS). This is one of the many reasons I have decided to study to become a Deaconess, so I’m hoping this channel might help me study in some of my classes!
I grew up Lutheran in the Midwest, and I remember being shocked for the first time learning how contemporary some churches are. Pastors in jeans was a sight to behold, haha. In the Midwest, nearly everyone is Mainline Protestant or Catholic, and that seems to be how church is portrayed in TV and movies too (e.g., the Simpsons going to a fake combination of a Presbyterian and Lutheran church).
Content suggestion: with so many non denominational churches in NorthAmerica, it would be valuable to have some analysis on how they are cooperating? What are the requirements for member churches? For example, the IFCA International (formerly the Independent Fundamental Churches of America).
My local church that I'm a member of is an IFCA church. The IFCA is not a denomination, but a fellowship that believes the same things doctrinally. All IFCA churches are independent and self financing. I recommend going to an IFCA church, you will be fed solid meat doctrine.
I can help a little with this one. The premillenial, amillenal, and postmillenial is views on rapture. Before, during, or after the 1000 year reign of Christs second coming. Armenianism is a theological view that antithedical to Calvinism. Spacifically about Predestination, as the largest difference.
SB and calvary chapel are very similar. The main difference is gifts of the holy spirit. I have been attending Calvary Chapels for over 10 years and have never seen any gifts of the holy spirit performed at a private or public church event, but you're right, we believe that they are possible if God chooses to cause it. I would say if you are either, you would be very comfortable at the other if you are in a place without your "home" church. I've never been to E-Free but it sounds like they are quite similar as well.
I'm a member of a Calvary Chapel. The spiritual gifts are practiced in Calvary Chapels, they are done though in an orderly manner, not interrupting the preaching of the Word. Calvary Chapels have what is called an "afterglow service" which is a special service specifically to use the spiritual gifts, tongues, prophecy, gifts of healings, word of knowledge, etc.
And even if an SBC church is "expelled" all that means is their Messengers (delegates in other denominations) aren't seated at the Annual Meeting, or at state convention or local association meetings. Unless there is a deed restriction in their property title where they lose their property if they cease being an SBC church, they can continue to meet as they always do.
Living in southeastern Virginia, I have frequently wondered why there are so many independent Baptist Churches and Southern Baptist Churches. Other than belonging to a larger denomination, is there a reason for them remaining independent?
My uncle is an independent Baptist pastor in Kentucky. It’s my understanding that his church just isn’t particularly theological. They just come together to read the Bible and worship. And the members of the church hold varied theological opinions on questions like eternal security and such. Many parishioners don’t seem to have strong opinions on theological debates in general. Their church probably couldn’t agree to affirm the doctrinal statement of a larger denomination. So they stay independent. The way my aunt and uncle describe the church is as a “simple little country church.”
Yes, it’s seems it comes down to the conventions beliefs. Leadership changes thus beliefs tend to change but the Word of God does not….as soon as a convention strays from the Word and more towards a worldly agenda, it becomes something wrong
I would make one correction to your post. As a Southern Baptist pastor for nearly 3 decades and a graduate of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary I would assert that most SBC churches hold to close (neither closed or open) communion. They limit communion to those who have submitted to believers baptism by immersion and are members of churches of like faith and order.
Left the LCMS and have been with a Calvary Chapel for several years now. I also listen to tons of Calvary pastors on Grace FM. I've never encountered a CC pastor or church who doesn't believe "once saved, always saved". Also, they aren't charismatic in style, while they might not be cessationists, I've never seen someone speaking in tongues or behaving like a Pentecostal. Also, we don't think of it as a denomination, just associated churches and not all have Calvary in their name.
@@easternmcg it's a long complicated story, actually. I will say, we never got upset with the LCMS in any way and simply said, "We're leaving!" It was a process, really. Slowly changing our eschatological views was one part of it, but we also got caught up in some unfortunate politics in our church due to voters meetings and councils we were on. Our church had a lot of land and a cell phone tower and needed to seek half, or part, or all and rebuild an old building or keep a new building... and there were 100 different opinions on how to do some this dying congregation of only about 50 members. Also, an unfortunate situation with our pastors family. We ended up leaving that LCMS church very hurt and betrayed after illegal stuff started happening. So we felt homeless and looked around for another LCMS. But instead, again long story, God led us to a Calvary Chapel, which also aligned with our new eschatological beliefs while standing firm on the word of God as inerrant. Looking back now, about 5 years later, there is a TON of confirmation that all the pain and drama that ended us up where we are now was all God's doing. So many blessings and situations have proven we are at the church we should be at. Thankfully, both LCMS and Calvary Chapels get the Gospel right, and that's what matters. Peace. (I do not miss the voters meetings.)
I'm a member of a Calvary Chapel. I would say that Calvary Chapels are Charismatic, the movement was born in the mid 60's with the Jesus people movement and the Charismatic renewal. We are definitely Charismatic but not Pentecostal. We are not Pentecostal because we do not believe in the classic Pentecostal view of the initial physical evidence of speaking in tongues being the baptism of the Holy Ghost. We at CC believe the baptism of the Holy Ghost is the power for godly service. In CC's the use of spiritual gifts during a regular service is not allowed because we believe their should be order in the local churches just as Paul tells us (I Corinthians 12-14). CC's do have special services called "afterglow services" where the spiritual gifts are used freely such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, word of knowledge, gifts of healings, etc. Although the doctrine of eternal security is not a requirement in Calvary Chapels many do believe it.
Can you make a video on the Assyrian Church of the East? I've heard it has ties to Nestorianism which is what some Mongols and other steppe peoples believed in.
I’m a staunch Calvinist and have never had issue with Calvary. Gone most of my adult life ( 63). Plus never have I heard anyone speaking in tongues - the teaching is yes but with strict parameters .
"all it can do is expel if they stray too far" - question, is there some type of "United Nations" alliance amongst Christian denominations that I'm not aware of? lol if so, what is it called? And how do these branches become apart of that alliance? Is their some type of sign-up procedure, government forms, etc?
The quote you refer to is about these denominations expelling single congregations from themselves, but in answer to your question, yes there are also alliances and councils where denominations work together. For example, worldwide ones like the World Council of Churches, National ones like the National Council of Churches in the USA, National Association of Evangelicals, and ones for certain denominational traditions like the Lutheran World Federation, and so forth.
Yes, need to make a video on them at some point. I see their recovery version Bibles in thrift stores everywhere but very few people in the US at least are aware of them.
This is perfect for me! I grew up in a Southern Baptist church. Currently attend a Calvary Chapel church. And my parents attend a EVFree church now. Haha. Kinda cool to see how they line up and differ.
@@ReadyToHarvest OH I SEE !!! Charismatic = PRACTICE Continuationist = BELIEF In other words, Continuationist BELIEVE in the spiritual gifts, BUT DO NOT PRACTICE them, correct ?
@@stevenaguilera9202 The continuationist/cessationist/charismatic divide is all over just a subset of spiritual gifts comsodered miraculous or as "sign gifts." All three views believe in and practice spiritual gifts (like teaching, giving, helps, etc.) But on miraculous gifts the charismatic view accepts that what is called tonges, miracles, etc. in churches today is legitimate, while continuationists tend to view some of that as illegitimate. Theologically they are open to all the gifts continuing, but you are right that they tend not to practice the miraculous ones.
If I tithe to a church belonging to the SBC does any part of my money go toward support of the SBC? I'm curious as to how my money is distributed and prefer it be used strictly by the local church.
So which church is the closest to Calvary Chapel? We have two CC’s near us, Chino Hills and East Anaheim, but we’re going to move to Prescott AZ, and so far I haven’t found a CC I’m ready to attend. Thanks for your assistance and all the information you provide.
According to google maps there are 2 calvary chapel's within 10 miles of prescott az. My home church is calvary chapel but i feel perfectly comfortable in a southern baptist church(they tend to be a little more formal). I've never been to an e-free church so can't comment.
There is an EFCA pastor in NJ by the name of Jeff Kleiwer. He is very well spoken against the progressive movement, social justice that has entered the church.
I will probably do one on the BGCT eventually. They are actually a Southern Baptist State Convention, though they also cooperate with other Baptists too, such as the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. So that makes two SBC-cooperating conventions in Texas. I talk a little bit about them in my video on the SBC.
If I had to choose, I would consider myself EFCA. They seem to be more willing to accept Christians of varying beliefs. There is wisdom in majoring in the majors and minoring in the minors. Plus, I would not be accepted in SBC and Calvary Chapel because of my views on Baptism and Calvinist/Reformed views.
I attend a Calvary Chapel, and you would definitely be accepted and welcomed! We may disagree on some relatively minor points, but we are careful not to cause division or break fellowship with other believers. Obviously, we would agree on foundational teachings of the Bible.
I talk about that a bit more in the individual videos on each denomination. With these three groups particularly it is hard to be precise, because they allow local congregations considerable latitude to handle things differently.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
It varies from church to church. In almost all CC’s the “elders” are not really biblical elders, but merely advisers who serve at the pleasure of the pastor. The pastor is basically a one man dictator who can appoint and remove elders as he sees fit. There are a very few CC’s that are truly elder led and elder ruled.
Are you referring to Pastor Brandon Holthaus of RHC? I am of the understanding that they used to be SB but got out of it and thought that they were a non-denominational church now. He does not seem to adhere to reformed from what I hear.
I did use kdenlive, which I liked, but it had a bug I couldn't figure out, so I switched. On some computers it works great. Right now I am using Adobe premiere elements. The video editing I am doing now is really quite basic, so I don't need much power in that area. The graphics are designed in Affinity Designer.
@@ReadyToHarvest Thanks. I am looking for a free or cheap video editor I can use for my voice and PowerPoint for my Bible teaching channel. I like your layout.
I never heard you say anything about growing in your relationship with Jesus. None of what you said says anything on why we go to church? Growing in love, knowledge and faith in Christ is life both abundantly here on earth and eternal with Him in heaven.
That's not the point of church. It mirrors Judaism, nothing but rules upon rules upon rules. That's why there's 10s of thousands of denominations. They try to out rule each other. End times is the cornerstone of the church, not Jesus. You can see it here in the comments "pre/post trib" is all that is cared about. It certainly was mine until I realized it. I got rid of that doctrine in my life. It doesn't matter to me anymore
Denominationalism is sin. 1 Corinthians 1:10 Paul teachers that we should be United in the doctrine of Christ and speak the same thing. The very word, denomination” means division. Is this from Christ? No! The Bible not only teaches one doctrine but it reveals one church as the manifold wisdom of God, on the mind of God before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1 st chapter. In Ephesians 4:1-5 the Bible teacher that there’s only one church. Ephesians 5:23-25 teachers that Christ is the head of “ the” church, singular . I never read in the Bible where God gave mankind the biblical authority to establish any other churches !! 1 Corinthians 3:11. The Bible teaches that the church belongs to Christ and that He purchased “it” with His blood. Acts 20:28. Fulfilling His promise of building His church. Matt 16:18. None of these denominations are even mentioned in the Bible! They come from the minds of men all teaching different doctrines that are contrary to the doctrine of Christ. They have made mockery of the body of Christ which is His church . Colossians 1:18-22. Very very sad 😢!
But this is the result of a fallen world. I have questioned this too. The true church will stand. The remnant. We will know what we got wrong one day and we will also be judged and rewarded one day. Looking forward to being in His presence. Maranatha 🌱
I'm wondering why Mormonism is never compared to other denominations. Is it because they are not considered Christian? Is it difficult to get info on what they believe? Are they too small to bother comparing them to other denominations? You have mentioned them in passing but never fully explored.
@@woodwalker8743 I don't believe that makes them satanic. Wouldn't you have to worship Satan to be satanic? I'm asking a serious question about why ready to harvest seems to ignore the group while giving attention to JW and seventh day Adventist. Not really interested in reactionary adversarial evangelism from someone that doesn't represent the channel.
I have heard that Mormons believe in the teachings of Joseph Smith. They have their own Bibles based upon his experience. They do refer to the Holy Bible, but do not hold it highly. They do not believe Jesus is the Son of God. Melissa Dougherty, an Apologist, covers it on her channel.
Theology makes me sigh. A "real, spiritual presence" in the _symbolic_ body and blood of Jesus: what's controversial about that? He said they if two or three were gathered together in His name, He would be there among us, and He did not mean physically present. That is a _spiritual presence_ He was promising, right?. So if any two or three of us are gathered together, taking the Lord's supper in His name, He is going to be spiritually present with us when we do. It would only be "in" the bread and wine, in as far as we were truly doing it in His name. What He was talking about is something more than mere omnipresence; He has come to be spiritually with us, in a special way, since we are gathered together in His name. And it is a long way from saying it is His physical body. After all, He said if anyone says He's _(physically present_ is meant!) over there, or up in that room, until He returns in the clouds, as He said, not to listen to them, right?
True, but they act like one. They have local and regional organizations. Many CC’s have by-laws that say a pastor can only be removed by a vote of the regional CC pastors. Sounds like a denomination to me. Not much different than the SBC who believe in the local autonomy of the church. In the old days, a new CC would usually get Chuck Smith’s blessing, although it was not required. There are some CC’s out there that do not associate with the national CC “movement” and don’t belong to the CC Association. When Chuck Smith passed away, many CC’s broke away from the CC Association since they disagreed with Brian Broderson (Chuck’s son in law who took over CC Costa Mesa and the CC Association, as well as related ministries.
@@cat-bg3rv That’s a question that would require a much longer answer. I would suggest you do an internet search of the disputes with Brian Broderson and several of the CC churches that left the main CC association and Brian Broderson starting a new group, etc. Also, look into the lawsuits that were filed after Chuck Smith’s death.
I attend a Calvary Chapel and our pastor tells us that Calvary Chapel can't save anyone, It's Jesus Christ God Almighty who Saves. You can go to ANY CHURCH and still go to hell, you truly gotta be Born Again of God's Holy Spirit, cuz if you're not you're just practicing Religion. Peace.
Here is Chuck Smith. He does not take a hard stance: "We don’t believe that just because you are a saint you will persevere but that you need to persevere because you’re a saint. Jesus said, “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed” (John 8:31), and “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned” (John 15:6). So, we seek a balance. Hard stands on these non-foundational issues only empty a church of members from Methodist, Nazarene, and other Arminian-influenced backgrounds. The issue of eternal security is debatable at best. There are Scriptures on both sides."
@@ReadyToHarvest gotcha so he’s sort of in the middle on the issue. Thanks for that! From the Calvary’s that i’ve been to the pastors were pro eternal security so that is interesting that the founder, Chuck, isn’t for that view.
Calvary does not believe you can lose your salvation. Calvary also teaches you are filled with the Holy Spirit upon being born again. You got it wrong.
They all believe in the same god. But, the details get really fuzzy fast. Creating all the different denomination we have today. So, the only real difference between them is that they have seperate power structures. Each one thinking that they hold the moral high ground. Which is really funny considering the history of the church.
I don't see it exactly that way. I attend a Calvary Chapel, and we understand that, while some views are foundational and very clear in the Bible, others are more difficult to understand. We teach what we believe to be true, but we are careful not to let the secondary issues ever cause divisions with fellow believers. My pastor always presents the scripture line by line and gives us his beliefs as he feels led, but he always encourages us to read, study, and pray for ourselves and not take his word on things. I've attended churches that become almost hateful over small disagreements. Like actual anger! My experiences with Calvary Chapel, EFCA, and Church of God have not been like that at all. God bless you, brother!
@@Cool_Papa_Funk So more of a pick and choose type of religion ? You must know that religion has never been about saving souls. Its about money, power and social control. That's all its ever been. You can find every type of religious belief in the world today. And many are way older than any we have today. Yet they all have been accepted as the absolute truth in their day. Now its the turn of these new godly interpretations. Plus, the idea that you just happen too live in this moment in time. Where the truth of our reality has been finally discovered. In all its widely diverse forms. But, yours must be the correct path. How silly can you get.
@@cat-bg3rv The history of faith contains one obvious truth... even absolute certainty has never make a god real. I know, obviously the myths of some ancient unenlightened natives shouldn't be taken seriously. But your certainty in the myths of your ancient unenlightened natives is somehow less delusional.
I agree. I attend a Calvary Chapel and many things were right AND wrong. I came on here to see what the differences are of these 3 denominations, but I question the validity of this video since there are some things wrong in what I do know about.
@@aunl.9095 He did state that since these groups don't have direct control over each church, there would be variation from church to church on various topics or how things are done..
@@aunl.9095 Hello Aun! I too attend CC. Actually, I travel a lot and I attend several. CC FTL, CC Jacksonville, CC Melbourne, CC Woodstock, CC Oakland County. Aun, I don’t find any discrepancies in anything Pastor Joshua said in comparison to any of these CC churches I list. Before attending (born and raised Baptist) I understood they don’t hold to Eternal Security. I do. They don’t hold to cessationism. I did but I have learned from CC why they don’t and I am now inclined to agree with their view of this doctrine. Also, in the Baptist Church I used to attend they know and accept, since about 2007, that in some small groups they are laying on hands and praying in tongues. Never in church. None of the CC churches I attend bring these things into the church either. I don’t think I would ever be comfortable in a church that brought these gifts into the services. Every one of the CC churches I attend are pre-tribulation, premillennial, and dispensationalist. As am I. I am so sorry I am wracking my brain trying to find one discrepancy. With this long diatribe I will say CC churches as well as Baptist churches are very independent so I certainly can’t nor would I say you are wrong. I would love to know what CC Church it’s that you attend and of course the difference. Bless you Aun.
“See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the priests as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there, let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” - St. Ignatius of Antioch, AD107, who was a disciple of St. John.
@@johnflorio3052 ok... What calender do we live under? Ok, so what does scripture say in Daniel 7:25??? You know the passage about changing time and laws??? And its the bad guys doing it Again, which callender do you sit under. I just want to know why a Catholic would comment on a video that is comparing Potestant denominations. Any opinion you may have had on the subject is half a millenia old. So again, why come here and display a complete lack of spiritual fruit??? Because its more important for you to be right than Jesus.
Good video on a sad situation. Young Earth Creationism over "entire sanctification"??? WTF, why this foolishness? If we are not entirely sanctified, literally made holy, we are not holy at all. God doesn't bestow the Spirit in measure but in the form of seed. The entirety is there, but it needs to grow. "The student is not above the teacher, but when fully trained shall be like the teacher." (Luke 6:40). "I tell you truly, the one who believes in me, the works that I do he shall do, and greater works than these, because I am going to the Father." (John 14:12) All of these denominations downplay the role of the Holy Spirit. Calvary Chapel is especially guilty as they affirm "Continuationism" but are practically Cessationist. The others are at least honest. And CC claims to not be a denomination AT ALL, which is absurdly disingenuous. In addition, calling a senior pastor a "bishop" is a big stretch too. Episcopal? not so. The Bishop, nay Apostle is the late Chuck Smith, and his ghost haunts the member churches, in place of the Spirit. As for the SBC and the EFCA, Calvinism/Cessationism is the main blunder. Given the huge amount of evidence, (see Daniel Kolenda work miracles right here on TH-cam, or rather the gift of the Holy Spirit work through him), this nearly 500 year old belief is simply a Reformation heresy. C'mon, people of God. Get it together. Christ is not divided. Not like this. But again, good work to the brother for posting these informational videos.
I can only speak for the Calvary Chapel I attend. We do believe in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but we don't put an overemphasis on them. Some churches get crazy with things like people barking like dogs or falling over and jumping all over the place, and it's chaotic. There are guidelines in scripture for orderly worship, to which we try to follow. We do have corporate prayer meetings that are less structured. I haven't attended them yet, but I know there is occasionally speaking in tongues. Not sure about a bishop - our pastor refers to himself as either pastor or undershepherd. Like everyone, Chuck Smith was an imperfect person, but he opened his Bible and started teaching during a time when it wasn't popular where he was from. I don't think he ever intentionally misled anyone or presented the gospel with ulterior motives. I'm sure every denomination misses the mark in some minor area. But if a church is true to the foundational principles in the Bible and does it's best to be faithful to present the secondary teachings accurately, then there is no need to be overly critical or cause division. We're all brothers and sisters in Christ, and we should love and support one another! God bless!
@@JohnathanBach Swearing, as in taking an oath to God, for God is wrong, as it "comes from the evil one." (Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5, also mentioned in James: "ABOVE ALL, take no oath...") Curses are similar, which can be thought of as oaths of a malicious intent. "Cussing" is merely slang for cursing. Paul says to avoid "filthy talk..." The letters WTF are common military slang, pronounced Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, and any offense is felt only in your heart, my friend. But sanctification, literally to be made holy, is merely to be set apart and used for God's purposes. If a man thinks a thing to be unclean, to HIM it is unclean. To me, meaningless expletives are relatively harmless. They do however, offend the more Pharisaical brothers. Which is my intent here. That the language is UNDERSTOOD in YOUR heart is the point, and that YOU TAKE offense, and in turn judge me is the game. Again, "W hy T his F oolishness?" Have you nothing of a MORE edifying nature to say on the subject at hand? How is Young Earth Creationism more important as a doctrine than entire sanctification, especially as you view me as lacking in number 2, without any mention of number 1? And the veiled "swearing" was at the END, not the beginning.
One Addendum on Eternal Security and Calvary Chapel.
Some Calvary Chapels, like Chuck Smith, say they believe in “Eternal Security” but define it as “As long as I abide in Christ, I’m eternally secure”, but still leave room that someone could apostatize. This is a different definition from most who claim to believe in eternal security, who would say that for a true believer, they will always be saved, no chance of being lost again. Additionally, some Calvary Chapels do teach a person cannot apostatize. So there are churches in Calvary Chapel with both positions. See examples below:
Chuck Smith | “We believe in the security of the believer, but we also believe in the “perseverance of the saints.” We don’t believe that just because you are a saint you will persevere but that you need to persevere because you’re a saint. Jesus said, “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed” (John 8:31), and “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned” (John 15:6). So, we seek a balance. Hard stands on these non-foundational issues only empty a church of members from Methodist, Nazarene, and other Arminian-influenced backgrounds.
The issue of eternal security is debatable at best. There are Scriptures on both sides… I tell people that, of course, I believe in eternal security. As long as I abide in Christ, I’m eternally secure. As long as I abide in Him, He’s going to keep me from falling and present me faultless before His glorious presence. I believe that and I experience God’s security.” www.calvarychapelmagazine.org/index.php/calvary-chapel-articles/620-pastor-chuck-smith
*Some Calvary Chapels do teach that you can be saved and then apostatize:*
Calvary Chapel Tri-Cities | “…there's people who right now are hearing this are mad at me because I'm just quoting the Bible and the reason is because we have doctrinal positions that we've come up with that just go against scripture just go against plain Scripture there's a whole book of warnings in the book of Hebrews about not walking away from Christ and so my answer to your first part of the question is obviously I can walk away from Jesus…” th-cam.com/video/yC1Gmjhgi1A/w-d-xo.html
“…what gets a person rejected by Christ as the fact that they'll reject him said you confess me before men I confess him before my father you deny me I deny you also.” th-cam.com/video/yC1Gmjhgi1A/w-d-xo.html
Calvary Crawfordsville | “When somebody says ‘can I lose my salvation?’ Well, just keep growing and you don't have anything to worry about. Now if you're asking me if I can live in the world and live however I want apart from God's desires and still be saved because at one time in my life I was baptized or one time in my life, I went forward in a church… I don't know if I can make that guarantee from the scriptures, but I can say that if you'll keep growing in Christ that you'll never fall. So once you've found Jesus and accept him into your life, stay the course.” th-cam.com/video/ZzTKR2C8hEI/w-d-xo.html
Calvary Chapel Pasadena | “. The phrase “some will depart from the faith” creates a problem with some from the human perspective in their unbalanced understanding of what is called “eternal security” by the teaching of five point Calvinist. The departure from the faith is the outcome of the exercise of one's own free will to choose. Josh. 24:15
a. Every believer still has a free will to choose, reject or abandon
b. This is a valid and necessary Biblical doctrine.
The Scriptures are very clear that some who appear to depart were never of the faith in the first place. 1Jn. 2:18-19
a. This is always an absolute possibility when someone departs from the faith, but not the only one.
The Scriptures are equally clear that there are some that do depart or stray from the faith having known the truth.” www.calvarychapelpasadena.com/wp-content/uploads/ds_217.pdf (Page 5)
Calvary Vista | “…although I don’t believe you can lose your salvation like we lose our keys, oh where did it go, I sinned my way out of salvation - nope, I do believe there is enough exhortations in the scripture to stay, to keep yourself in the love of God (Jude 1:21), enough warnings about falling away in the book of Hebrews (2:1, 3:12)” media.calvaryvista.com/library/duff-jason/studies-books/06-JOS-2014/06-JOS-020-001.pdf (Page 4)
Calvary Chapel Anne Arundel | “Paul’s letter to Timothy says that in the latter days (not necessarily meaning last days, just days after Paul writes these things), that some will depart from the faith. Depart is the word (apostasy), and it means to leave the faith. That is what it says, so I just read it for what it says. You have to do a lot of theological gymnastics to make it mean anything less than what it says, that people depart from the faith, meaning they were of the faith.” ccaac.org/hp_wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Ephesians-Notes.pdf (Page 36)
*Some Calvary Chapels do teach eternal security:*
Calvary Sydney | “We believe that all the redeemed are kept by God’s power and are thus secure in Christ forever” www.calvarysydney.com/files/CCS%20Application%20Worship%20Ministry%202018.pdf (Page 6)
Calvary Chapel of Manitowoc | “I don’t believe you can lose your salvation, walk away from it after you have been saved? I don’t believe you can. I don’t believe that the Scriptures support that!” ccmanitowoc.org/wp-content/uploads/sermons/2020/04/TH3538-I-TIMOTHY-4.pdf (Page 5)
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Finally, David Guzik here presents a common Calvary Chapel position, which is that the positions are relatively the same, because in the end apostates are taught to be apostate, but one side says they were saved and now lost, and the other side says they were never saved. th-cam.com/video/AFBvKpOWHHU/w-d-xo.html
John 15 tells us to abide and bear fruit... if not then then one can become in real danger of apostasy. Remember it is not those who sin and repent that continue to practice sin, It is those who DO practice sin that can refuse Gods word and fall from grace
My experience with Calvary Chapel (I have attended several and been heavily involved in them. Two of my good friends are pastors at one, and my brother in law used to be) is that Calvary Chapels teach a very simplified version of Molinism while not knowing what Molinism is. They would affirm every aspect of Molinism, but then say they aren't Molinist basically.
I have also never met any Calvary pastor who would reject eternal security. They hold pretty much exactly what the SBC teaches: regardless of if you CAN lose your salvation, no Christian ever WILL lose it.
@@ryantannar5301 Thanks Ryan for sharing your experience. With that in mind, realize that the above comment shows five examples of Calvary Chapel churches that do not teach eternal security, so there are churches both ways.
@@ReadyToHarvest I am a bit surprised by that, but it makes sense given how independent Calvary Chapels are. The other thing with them is that, with a few notable exceptions, the pastors tend to be rather theologically illiterate. My personal experience was not so, but on the whole CC tends to view seminary education as a bad thing, with most of their pastors receiving most of their theological training from mentors. It results in some very poorly fleshed out ideas (see my above comment about molinism.
And lest my comment be taken the wrong way, I'm no expert. I have not attended seminary nor have I studied enough to consider myself on par with someone who has.
I've been attending a Calvary Chapel for eight years now and one of my favorite things is that they teach verse-by-verse and through the entire Bible. So, instead of one Sunday being a completely different book than last week, we study an entire book until it is finished. Also, for infants, they do a baby dedication instead of the sprinkle/infant baptism.
Calvary chapels have two errors, their church government which is modeled after Moses. This type of church government is absolutely disastrous and can quickly lord over the congregation. Second they are charismatic, which the sign gifts truly did cease at the completion of the canon (I Corinthians 13:8). Calvary chapels claim to be non denominational, but in reality they operate like a denomination.
@@NorCalGospelPreacher -Moses would disagree with you, as would God-who chose the Moses model.
/Lonewolf Liberties
@@GeoCalifornian The Moses model is not the correct New Testament local church government. In the New Testament local churches are governed by a plurality of elders (Philippians 1:1, Titus 1). The Moses model applied to a local New Testament church is error and is an example of not rightly dividing word (II Timothy 2:15). It's taking something from a past dispensation and applying it to this present dispensation, which is error.
@@NorCalGospelPreacher -- The Moses model applied to a local Church is not in error because deacons are pastors; could this be an example of not rightly dividing word? (II Timothy 2:15) --which requires knowledge of local Church customs of the New Testament.
/Lonewolf Liberties
@@GeoCalifornian Deacons are not pastors, you need to study some more. Deacons serve in the physical things (Acts 6:1-6). A pastor serves in the spiritual things. A great example of the officers in a local church is in Philippians 1:1 where there are Deacons and bishops (plural). There is not a single verse to defend your Moses model from the Old Testament. You keep taking something from a past dispensation and applying it to our dispensation, you are not rightly dividing the word. I suggest to go study more on ecclesiology.
I've been to a lot of Calvary chapels and without exception they teach "once saved, always saved, if you're really saved"
The Calvary Chapel I attend also teaches this.
Yes, even Chuck Smith taught this, I believe. They go so far as to say you cannot commit apostasy, but rather, you were never a true believer if you're now an unbeliever or unrepentant.
I have pinned a comment on this video clarifying this issue. There are churches on both sides.
@@seth3850 Early on Chuck Smith did teach OSAS, but towards the end of his life I heard him preach warning believers that it was essential to abide in Christ and bear Godly fruit (John 15) until the end.
We must remember that Jesus warned those who "practice iniquity" will not see heaven.
I go to CC that is somewhat in the middle, for they believe (as the scriptures warn) that apostasy, and falling away means what it says, and says what it means still
Sad and dangerous how many people can develop a false sense of true security :0(
Love your channel man. My family left an E-free for a Calvery Chapel about a year ago. The line by line sermon is awesome. I get so much more out of it. I'm feeling post-trib rapture but I get the feeling it wouldn't cause an issue to discuss. We were disappointed with our E-free joining the corona hysteria. We went to the Calvery Chapel for lack of options and loved it. They didn't forsake the gathering of Beleivers. There are good E-free people though. Not bad mouthing anyone.
Yeah, while Calvary tends to be mostly pre trib, if you expressed that you believed in post trib, and the reasons behind that decision, I highly doubt you would be shunned or anything. I found Calvary by radio in so cal and loved it. Seems very biblically based and evidence based(IOW positions are not held because of tradition).
Agreed! I’m a CC attendant but for searching the scriptures for myself…I just don’t see a pretrib rapture. Have you heard of Mike Winger? He’s a Calvary pastor online who is brave enough to say he isn’t set on a pretrib rapture either.
In my area it was the other way around. Efca continued gathering and calvary closed up for quite a long time.
As always, a very accurate and non-biased comparison! I really like how you've been so successful in maintaining this very fair balance!
I'm really impressed with your knowledge and at this point your pretty unbiased reporting. Can't wait until you do The Church of God (Restoration)
Thank you so much for your work here. Understanding Biblical foundations for Christian denominations helps form better engagement with various denominational materials, and provides clarity both historically and ecumenically on difficult Biblical passages and engagments.
Paul warned against denominations in 1 Corinthians chapter 1.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Manmade doctrines really do fall apart, so it is better for me to understand what these doctrines are, and how these others engage with them, so I am better equipped to respond Biblically and not in my own false or misunderstanding.
Miraculous gifts definitely do happen today.
They sure do!
5:34 EFCA pastor here. While encouraging abstinence maybe the "official" stance, I know for a fact that most of us enjoy a nice glass of beer or a dram of whisky.
This has been extremely helpful in having a better understanding.
Great video. Thank you. Itd be interesting to see a comparison video similar to this with the myriad of Baptist groups. So much variation there.
I love your neutrality in stating facts and not interjecting opinion. I have learned so much about denominations and Christian history from watching these videos, and I have a lot more to go. (Though you could speak a little slower LOL.) Thank you for all the time, effort, and research you put into your videos. I have been blessed by them.
Appreciate your videos and thank you so much!
There are some SBC churches which have elders. Mainly those which have adopted Reformed (Calvinist) theology.
Ours does.
Yes, there is a agenda against both SBC and CC by many Calvinist to slither in incognito and twist Gods word :0(
EFCA churches are very large and seem well run in Texas. Plus they are apart of the National Association of Evangelicals. The other two are not. I visited a Calvary Chapel when I first moved and have been going to a SBC for two years. I want to go see an EFCA now.
I’m so glad I found this channel! One of the things that interest me most are other Christian denominations and how the vary from mine (LCMS). This is one of the many reasons I have decided to study to become a Deaconess, so I’m hoping this channel might help me study in some of my classes!
I grew up Lutheran in the Midwest, and I remember being shocked for the first time learning how contemporary some churches are. Pastors in jeans was a sight to behold, haha. In the Midwest, nearly everyone is Mainline Protestant or Catholic, and that seems to be how church is portrayed in TV and movies too (e.g., the Simpsons going to a fake combination of a Presbyterian and Lutheran church).
Content suggestion: with so many non denominational churches in NorthAmerica, it would be valuable to have some analysis on how they are cooperating? What are the requirements for member churches? For example, the IFCA International (formerly the Independent Fundamental Churches of America).
Jesus said
Father let them be one
Paul said
Let there be no division among you.
How about we all just ignore the Bible ?
LoL. Too funny
My local church that I'm a member of is an IFCA church. The IFCA is not a denomination, but a fellowship that believes the same things doctrinally. All IFCA churches are independent and self financing. I recommend going to an IFCA church, you will be fed solid meat doctrine.
I'd love to see your take on esoteric Christian denominations, like Ecclesia Gnostica, Swedenborgian Church, The Rosicrucian Fellowship, etc.
I do have a video on Swedenborgians. Thanks for the other suggestions!
@@ReadyToHarvest I'll have to check it out. ^_^
It'd be helpful if you made long videos explaining the meaning and history behind terms like "premillennial" or "armenian".
I can help a little with this one.
The premillenial, amillenal, and postmillenial is views on rapture. Before, during, or after the 1000 year reign of Christs second coming.
Armenianism is a theological view that antithedical to Calvinism. Spacifically about Predestination, as the largest difference.
See the Mike Winger TH-cam video "Different Christian Views of Revelation Explained"
SB and calvary chapel are very similar. The main difference is gifts of the holy spirit. I have been attending Calvary Chapels for over 10 years and have never seen any gifts of the holy spirit performed at a private or public church event, but you're right, we believe that they are possible if God chooses to cause it.
I would say if you are either, you would be very comfortable at the other if you are in a place without your "home" church.
I've never been to E-Free but it sounds like they are quite similar as well.
I'm a member of a Calvary Chapel. The spiritual gifts are practiced in Calvary Chapels, they are done though in an orderly manner, not interrupting the preaching of the Word. Calvary Chapels have what is called an "afterglow service" which is a special service specifically to use the spiritual gifts, tongues, prophecy, gifts of healings, word of knowledge, etc.
Very helpful! Thank you and God bless you!
As a former SBC Pastor, well done.
Your content is outstanding my friend. I think you have a gift for presentation. Keep up the good work.
I think I'd "mostly" fit in at any of these churches.
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Excellent presentation, thank you!
Watching from Garo Baptist Convention, Meghalaya, India
And even if an SBC church is "expelled" all that means is their Messengers (delegates in other denominations) aren't seated at the Annual Meeting, or at state convention or local association meetings. Unless there is a deed restriction in their property title where they lose their property if they cease being an SBC church, they can continue to meet as they always do.
Living in southeastern Virginia, I have frequently wondered why there are so many independent Baptist Churches and Southern Baptist Churches. Other than belonging to a larger denomination, is there a reason for them remaining independent?
My uncle is an independent Baptist pastor in Kentucky. It’s my understanding that his church just isn’t particularly theological. They just come together to read the Bible and worship. And the members of the church hold varied theological opinions on questions like eternal security and such. Many parishioners don’t seem to have strong opinions on theological debates in general. Their church probably couldn’t agree to affirm the doctrinal statement of a larger denomination. So they stay independent. The way my aunt and uncle describe the church is as a “simple little country church.”
Yes, it’s seems it comes down to the conventions beliefs. Leadership changes thus beliefs tend to change but the Word of God does not….as soon as a convention strays from the Word and more towards a worldly agenda, it becomes something wrong
Thank you for this clear explanation! I always wondered about these differences.
When we attended a Calvary Chapel we were told they are NOT a denomination. There also was no membership.
I'd be curious to see Matt from Ten Minute Bible Hour react to this since he is or was E-Free
Very helpful info but I struggle to process at the speed with which you speak.
You can slow down the speed of any video by tapping the icon in the upper right corner of the screen that looks like a gear/wheel/bolt. 🙂
Another great comparison video
Next time please post links to the other videos that you mentioned. Thanks!
I would make one correction to your post. As a Southern Baptist pastor for nearly 3 decades and a graduate of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary I would assert that most SBC churches hold to close (neither closed or open) communion. They limit communion to those who have submitted to believers baptism by immersion and are members of churches of like faith and order.
Left the LCMS and have been with a Calvary Chapel for several years now. I also listen to tons of Calvary pastors on Grace FM. I've never encountered a CC pastor or church who doesn't believe "once saved, always saved". Also, they aren't charismatic in style, while they might not be cessationists, I've never seen someone speaking in tongues or behaving like a Pentecostal. Also, we don't think of it as a denomination, just associated churches and not all have Calvary in their name.
If I may, what led you to leave the LCMS?
@@easternmcg it's a long complicated story, actually. I will say, we never got upset with the LCMS in any way and simply said, "We're leaving!" It was a process, really. Slowly changing our eschatological views was one part of it, but we also got caught up in some unfortunate politics in our church due to voters meetings and councils we were on. Our church had a lot of land and a cell phone tower and needed to seek half, or part, or all and rebuild an old building or keep a new building... and there were 100 different opinions on how to do some this dying congregation of only about 50 members. Also, an unfortunate situation with our pastors family. We ended up leaving that LCMS church very hurt and betrayed after illegal stuff started happening. So we felt homeless and looked around for another LCMS. But instead, again long story, God led us to a Calvary Chapel, which also aligned with our new eschatological beliefs while standing firm on the word of God as inerrant. Looking back now, about 5 years later, there is a TON of confirmation that all the pain and drama that ended us up where we are now was all God's doing. So many blessings and situations have proven we are at the church we should be at. Thankfully, both LCMS and Calvary Chapels get the Gospel right, and that's what matters. Peace. (I do not miss the voters meetings.)
I'm a member of a Calvary Chapel. I would say that Calvary Chapels are Charismatic, the movement was born in the mid 60's with the Jesus people movement and the Charismatic renewal. We are definitely Charismatic but not Pentecostal. We are not Pentecostal because we do not believe in the classic Pentecostal view of the initial physical evidence of speaking in tongues being the baptism of the Holy Ghost. We at CC believe the baptism of the Holy Ghost is the power for godly service.
In CC's the use of spiritual gifts during a regular service is not allowed because we believe their should be order in the local churches just as Paul tells us (I Corinthians 12-14). CC's do have special services called "afterglow services" where the spiritual gifts are used freely such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, word of knowledge, gifts of healings, etc.
Although the doctrine of eternal security is not a requirement in Calvary Chapels many do believe it.
Can you make a video on the Assyrian Church of the East? I've heard it has ties to Nestorianism which is what some Mongols and other steppe peoples believed in.
How do they stand on Lordship salvation vs free grace?
discuss both Bible Baptist and Baptist Bible
Good information. Poured out faster than I can think. Lol, I must be getting old.
I’m a staunch Calvinist and have never had issue with Calvary. Gone most of my adult life ( 63). Plus never have I heard anyone speaking in tongues - the teaching is yes but with strict parameters .
Have you heard of ‘Primitive Baptist?’
Very good info and well said. Thank you.
"all it can do is expel if they stray too far" - question, is there some type of "United Nations" alliance amongst Christian denominations that I'm not aware of? lol if so, what is it called? And how do these branches become apart of that alliance? Is their some type of sign-up procedure, government forms, etc?
The quote you refer to is about these denominations expelling single congregations from themselves, but in answer to your question, yes there are also alliances and councils where denominations work together. For example, worldwide ones like the World Council of Churches, National ones like the National Council of Churches in the USA, National Association of Evangelicals, and ones for certain denominational traditions like the Lutheran World Federation, and so forth.
@@ReadyToHarvest oh ok gotcha, thanks. I'm a new subscriber to your channel I really enjoy how you present your info. Salute and much love !
@@Airic Thanks Airic!
Thanx, Joshua 🌹🌹🌹
I'm so curious if you know of the "local churches" / The Lord's Recovery and what you think of them!
Yes, need to make a video on them at some point. I see their recovery version Bibles in thrift stores everywhere but very few people in the US at least are aware of them.
This is perfect for me! I grew up in a Southern Baptist church. Currently attend a Calvary Chapel church. And my parents attend a EVFree church now. Haha. Kinda cool to see how they line up and differ.
Hillsong vs traditional AOG?
I attend a Calvary chapel in Oxnard CA
There are a few CCs that are Eternal Security adherents. Our church is one.
Thanks Dave for the clarification. Yes, I see some both ways.
Same here.
Same.
For the EFCA in the Charismatic category you said most are continuationist but you checked it off as "Mostly Not" ????
That's right - they are mostly not charismatic but they are mostly continuationist.
@@ReadyToHarvest OH I SEE !!!
Charismatic = PRACTICE
Continuationist = BELIEF
In other words, Continuationist BELIEVE in the spiritual gifts, BUT DO NOT PRACTICE them, correct ?
@@stevenaguilera9202 The continuationist/cessationist/charismatic divide is all over just a subset of spiritual gifts comsodered miraculous or as "sign gifts."
All three views believe in and practice spiritual gifts (like teaching, giving, helps, etc.)
But on miraculous gifts the charismatic view accepts that what is called tonges, miracles, etc. in churches today is legitimate, while continuationists tend to view some of that as illegitimate. Theologically they are open to all the gifts continuing, but you are right that they tend not to practice the miraculous ones.
@@ReadyToHarvestty for your insight RTH !!!
Do you have a video comparing different types of baptist churches?
If I tithe to a church belonging to the SBC does any part of my money go toward support of the SBC? I'm curious as to how my money is distributed and prefer it be used strictly by the local church.
Yes, depending on the church and the state convention they belong to. See my video on the SBC for more info.
You should make a video of Unitarian Universalism
IIRC isn't that basically everyone is saved and it doesn't matter what you believe in. Is it even really a church or just a social group.
So which church is the closest to Calvary Chapel? We have two CC’s near us, Chino Hills and East Anaheim, but we’re going to move to Prescott AZ, and so far I haven’t found a CC I’m ready to attend. Thanks for your assistance and all the information you provide.
According to google maps there are 2 calvary chapel's within 10 miles of prescott az.
My home church is calvary chapel but i feel perfectly comfortable in a southern baptist church(they tend to be a little more formal). I've never been to an e-free church so can't comment.
There is an EFCA pastor in NJ by the name of Jeff Kleiwer. He is very well spoken against the progressive movement, social justice that has entered the church.
Did you do the history of the christian church podcast?
Could you compare the Southern Baptist Convention with the Baptist General Convention of Texas?
I will probably do one on the BGCT eventually. They are actually a Southern Baptist State Convention, though they also cooperate with other Baptists too, such as the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. So that makes two SBC-cooperating conventions in Texas. I talk a little bit about them in my video on the SBC.
What about the Amish?
The Amish don't get covid, I know that.
I'm also curious how they fit into Christianity, if at all.
If I had to choose, I would consider myself EFCA. They seem to be more willing to accept Christians of varying beliefs. There is wisdom in majoring in the majors and minoring in the minors. Plus, I would not be accepted in SBC and Calvary Chapel because of my views on Baptism and Calvinist/Reformed views.
I attend a Calvary Chapel, and you would definitely be accepted and welcomed! We may disagree on some relatively minor points, but we are careful not to cause division or break fellowship with other believers. Obviously, we would agree on foundational teachings of the Bible.
I know for a fact that Calvary Chapel is open to pre trib up to mid trib.
I'd love to see a comparison of Lutheran (LCMS), Calvary Chapel, and The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite).
Liked it, but you talk too fast
Thank you from Fontana Ca
id like to know what there belief is or understanding of divorce and remarriage....?
I talk about that a bit more in the individual videos on each denomination. With these three groups particularly it is hard to be precise, because they allow local congregations considerable latitude to handle things differently.
Can you do a video on “The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” (Mormons)
I do plan to do one. I have begun preparation for the video, but there's a lot to cover. Probably in 2022.
what is the entire sanctification experience?
See: asiapacificnazarene.org/so-just-what-is-entire-sanctification/
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Calvary chapel have pastors, Elders and deacons not just pastors and deacons
The title elder and pastor are the same.
It varies from church to church. In almost all CC’s the “elders” are not really biblical elders, but merely advisers who serve at the pleasure of the pastor. The pastor is basically a one man dictator who can appoint and remove elders as he sees fit. There are a very few CC’s that are truly elder led and elder ruled.
This was helpful
RockHarbor church, from. What I've experienced personally is some What like a E.V Free mixed with Reformed & Charismatic views
Are you referring to Pastor Brandon Holthaus of RHC? I am of the understanding that they used to be SB but got out of it and thought that they were a non-denominational church now. He does not seem to adhere to reformed from what I hear.
What video creator do you use?
I did use kdenlive, which I liked, but it had a bug I couldn't figure out, so I switched. On some computers it works great. Right now I am using Adobe premiere elements. The video editing I am doing now is really quite basic, so I don't need much power in that area. The graphics are designed in Affinity Designer.
@@ReadyToHarvest Thanks. I am looking for a free or cheap video editor I can use for my voice and PowerPoint for my Bible teaching channel. I like your layout.
I never heard you say anything about growing in your relationship with Jesus.
None of what you said says anything on why we go to church? Growing in love, knowledge and faith in Christ is life both abundantly here on earth and eternal with Him in heaven.
That's not the point of church. It mirrors Judaism, nothing but rules upon rules upon rules. That's why there's 10s of thousands of denominations. They try to out rule each other. End times is the cornerstone of the church, not Jesus. You can see it here in the comments "pre/post trib" is all that is cared about. It certainly was mine until I realized it. I got rid of that doctrine in my life. It doesn't matter to me anymore
Very good, thank you
Denominationalism is sin. 1 Corinthians 1:10 Paul teachers that we should be United in the doctrine of Christ and speak the same thing. The very word, denomination” means division. Is this from Christ? No! The Bible not only teaches one doctrine but it reveals one church as the manifold wisdom of God, on the mind of God before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1 st chapter. In Ephesians 4:1-5 the Bible teacher that there’s only one church. Ephesians 5:23-25 teachers that Christ is the head of “ the” church, singular . I never read in the Bible where God gave mankind the biblical authority to establish any other churches !! 1 Corinthians 3:11. The Bible teaches that the church belongs to Christ and that He purchased “it” with His blood. Acts 20:28. Fulfilling His promise of building His church. Matt 16:18. None of these denominations are even mentioned in the Bible! They come from the minds of men all teaching different doctrines that are contrary to the doctrine of Christ. They have made mockery of the body of Christ which is His church . Colossians 1:18-22. Very very sad 😢!
But this is the result of a fallen world. I have questioned this too. The true church will stand. The remnant. We will know what we got wrong one day and we will also be judged and rewarded one day. Looking forward to being in His presence. Maranatha 🌱
EFCA churches are very nice!!
Evangelical Presbyterian church, please
Excellent!
Comparison
well at least this stuff is hashed out at TH-cam unlike the battlefield centuries ago.
Calvary chapel is not a denomination but a movement. Just wanted to make that clear.
Depends on the definition: th-cam.com/video/VoIxwiyetbQ/w-d-xo.html
@@ReadyToHarvest We can agree to disagree
I once visited a Baptist Church where they were selling Christening cards in their church shop! 🤣
I'm wondering why Mormonism is never compared to other denominations. Is it because they are not considered Christian? Is it difficult to get info on what they believe? Are they too small to bother comparing them to other denominations? You have mentioned them in passing but never fully explored.
Its simple it is a Satanic cult a complete counterfeit. The jesus they pray the younger brother of Satan.
@@woodwalker8743 I don't believe that makes them satanic. Wouldn't you have to worship Satan to be satanic? I'm asking a serious question about why ready to harvest seems to ignore the group while giving attention to JW and seventh day Adventist. Not really interested in reactionary adversarial evangelism from someone that doesn't represent the channel.
I have heard that Mormons believe in the teachings of Joseph Smith. They have their own Bibles based upon his experience. They do refer to the Holy Bible, but do not hold it highly. They do not believe Jesus is the Son of God. Melissa Dougherty, an Apologist, covers it on her channel.
@@cat-bg3rv are you a bot?
Calvary Chapel is not a denomination. Calvary Chapel is non denominational.
Yes, but it is a very denominational non denomination church.
SBC Presidents and some members are changing there stance on homosexuality.
Progressive Christianity. See Jon Harris on Conversations That Matter.
Our SBC is largely Calvinistic, and amillenial.
Theology makes me sigh. A "real, spiritual presence" in the _symbolic_ body and blood of Jesus: what's controversial about that? He said they if two or three were gathered together in His name, He would be there among us, and He did not mean physically present. That is a _spiritual presence_ He was promising, right?. So if any two or three of us are gathered together, taking the Lord's supper in His name, He is going to be spiritually present with us when we do. It would only be "in" the bread and wine, in as far as we were truly doing it in His name. What He was talking about is something more than mere omnipresence; He has come to be spiritually with us, in a special way, since we are gathered together in His name. And it is a long way from saying it is His physical body. After all, He said if anyone says He's _(physically present_ is meant!) over there, or up in that room, until He returns in the clouds, as He said, not to listen to them, right?
Calvary Chapel has never claimed to be a denomination.
True, but they act like one. They have local and regional organizations. Many CC’s have by-laws that say a pastor can only be removed by a vote of the regional CC pastors. Sounds like a denomination to me. Not much different than the SBC who believe in the local autonomy of the church. In the old days, a new CC would usually get Chuck Smith’s blessing, although it was not required. There are some CC’s out there that do not associate with the national CC “movement” and don’t belong to the CC Association. When Chuck Smith passed away, many CC’s broke away from the CC Association since they disagreed with Brian Broderson (Chuck’s son in law who took over CC Costa Mesa and the CC Association, as well as related ministries.
@@kiheidudeCan you explain what the disagreement is on Brian? I am new to this platform and am curious about these church affiliations.
@@cat-bg3rv That’s a question that would require a much longer answer. I would suggest you do an internet search of the disputes with Brian Broderson and several of the CC churches that left the main CC association and Brian Broderson starting a new group, etc. Also, look into the lawsuits that were filed after Chuck Smith’s death.
I am a Biblical Christian whose identify is in Christ, not a denomination
I would say that is the position of all of us.
I attend a Calvary Chapel and our pastor tells us that Calvary Chapel can't save anyone, It's Jesus Christ God Almighty who Saves. You can go to ANY CHURCH and still go to hell, you truly gotta be Born Again of God's Holy Spirit, cuz if you're not you're just practicing Religion. Peace.
I once heard Calvary chapels called “Baptists with a website.” 😁
Calvary Chapel is NOT a denomination 🙄
sorry but Calvary Chapel does teach eternal security. Never have I heard a calvary chapel teach against this.
Here is Chuck Smith. He does not take a hard stance:
"We don’t believe that just because you are a saint you will persevere but that you need to persevere because you’re a saint. Jesus said, “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed” (John 8:31), and “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned” (John 15:6). So, we seek a balance. Hard stands on these non-foundational issues only empty a church of members from Methodist, Nazarene, and other Arminian-influenced backgrounds.
The issue of eternal security is debatable at best. There are Scriptures on both sides."
@@ReadyToHarvest gotcha so he’s sort of in the middle on the issue. Thanks for that! From the Calvary’s that i’ve been to the pastors were pro eternal security so that is interesting that the founder, Chuck, isn’t for that view.
Christians wake up. Christ is coming again and you don't understand who He is.
Malachi chapter 3 is going to happen and you're NOT prepared!
Unless you are Born Again you're just wasting time
They’re all Random Protestant Sects.
Calvary does not believe you can lose your salvation. Calvary also teaches you are filled with the Holy Spirit upon being born again.
You got it wrong.
Neither of those are absolutes. You can watch my video on Calvary Chapel to see Chuck Smith's position on both of those.
They all believe in the same god. But, the details get really fuzzy fast. Creating all the different denomination we have today.
So, the only real difference between them is that they have seperate power structures.
Each one thinking that they hold the moral high ground. Which is really funny considering the history of the church.
I don't see it exactly that way. I attend a Calvary Chapel, and we understand that, while some views are foundational and very clear in the Bible, others are more difficult to understand. We teach what we believe to be true, but we are careful not to let the secondary issues ever cause divisions with fellow believers. My pastor always presents the scripture line by line and gives us his beliefs as he feels led, but he always encourages us to read, study, and pray for ourselves and not take his word on things.
I've attended churches that become almost hateful over small disagreements. Like actual anger! My experiences with Calvary Chapel, EFCA, and Church of God have not been like that at all.
God bless you, brother!
@@Cool_Papa_Funk
So more of a pick
and choose type of religion ?
You must know that religion has never been about saving souls. Its about money, power and social control. That's all its ever been.
You can find every type of religious belief in the world today. And many are way older than any we have today. Yet they all have been accepted as the absolute truth in their day. Now its the turn of these new godly interpretations.
Plus, the idea that you just happen too live in this moment in time. Where the truth of our reality has been finally discovered. In all its widely diverse forms.
But, yours must be the correct path. How silly can you get.
John 14:6 ✝️
@@cat-bg3rv
The history of faith contains one obvious truth... even absolute certainty has never make a god real.
I know, obviously the myths of some ancient unenlightened natives shouldn't be taken seriously. But your certainty in the myths of your ancient unenlightened
natives is somehow less delusional.
Calvary Chapel people I have met are radical anti-nomianists
All right in some ways. All wrong in some ways.
I agree. I attend a Calvary Chapel and many things were right AND wrong. I came on here to see what the differences are of these 3 denominations, but I question the validity of this video since there are some things wrong in what I do know about.
@@aunl.9095 Hello Aun, what would you say is incorrect?
@@aunl.9095 Like what?
@@aunl.9095 He did state that since these groups don't have direct control over each church, there would be variation from church to church on various topics or how things are done..
@@aunl.9095
Hello Aun!
I too attend CC. Actually, I travel a lot and I attend several. CC FTL, CC Jacksonville, CC Melbourne, CC Woodstock, CC Oakland County.
Aun, I don’t find any discrepancies in anything Pastor Joshua said in comparison to any of these CC churches I list.
Before attending (born and raised Baptist) I understood they don’t hold to Eternal Security. I do.
They don’t hold to cessationism. I did but I have learned from CC why they don’t and I am now inclined to agree with their view of this doctrine.
Also, in the Baptist Church I used to attend they know and accept, since about 2007, that in some small groups they are laying on hands and praying in tongues. Never in church. None of the CC churches I attend bring these things into the church either. I don’t think I would ever be comfortable in a church that brought these gifts into the services.
Every one of the CC churches I attend are pre-tribulation, premillennial, and dispensationalist. As am I.
I am so sorry I am wracking my brain trying to find one discrepancy.
With this long diatribe I will say CC churches as well as Baptist churches are very independent so I certainly can’t nor would I say you are wrong.
I would love to know what CC Church it’s that you attend and of course the difference.
Bless you Aun.
They are all in the same! The word "denomination" is a dirty word!
Jesus started one church and said it would last forever
The Roman Catholic Church
Prove it.
“See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the priests as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there, let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”
- St. Ignatius of Antioch, AD107, who was a disciple of St. John.
@@johnflorio3052 AMEN
@@johnflorio3052 ok...
What calender do we live under?
Ok, so what does scripture say in Daniel 7:25???
You know the passage about changing time and laws???
And its the bad guys doing it
Again, which callender do you sit under.
I just want to know why a Catholic would comment on a video that is comparing Potestant denominations.
Any opinion you may have had on the subject is half a millenia old.
So again, why come here and display a complete lack of spiritual fruit???
Because its more important for you to be right than Jesus.
@@jopolanco8371 no. Catholic means one who follows Jesus. Jesus doesn’t follow Jesus.
Jesus is Jesus.
You’re welcome
Good video on a sad situation. Young Earth Creationism over "entire sanctification"??? WTF, why this foolishness?
If we are not entirely sanctified, literally made holy, we are not holy at all. God doesn't bestow the Spirit in measure but in the form of seed. The entirety is there, but it needs to grow.
"The student is not above the teacher, but when fully trained shall be like the teacher." (Luke 6:40).
"I tell you truly, the one who believes in me, the works that I do he shall do, and greater works than these, because I am going to the Father." (John 14:12)
All of these denominations downplay the role of the Holy Spirit. Calvary Chapel is especially guilty as they affirm "Continuationism" but are practically Cessationist. The others are at least honest. And CC claims to not be a denomination AT ALL, which is absurdly disingenuous. In addition, calling a senior pastor a "bishop" is a big stretch too. Episcopal? not so. The Bishop, nay Apostle is the late Chuck Smith, and his ghost haunts the member churches, in place of the Spirit.
As for the SBC and the EFCA, Calvinism/Cessationism is the main blunder. Given the huge amount of evidence, (see Daniel Kolenda work miracles right here on TH-cam, or rather the gift of the Holy Spirit work through him), this nearly 500 year old belief is simply a Reformation heresy.
C'mon, people of God. Get it together. Christ is not divided. Not like this.
But again, good work to the brother for posting these informational videos.
I can only speak for the Calvary Chapel I attend. We do believe in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but we don't put an overemphasis on them. Some churches get crazy with things like people barking like dogs or falling over and jumping all over the place, and it's chaotic. There are guidelines in scripture for orderly worship, to which we try to follow. We do have corporate prayer meetings that are less structured. I haven't attended them yet, but I know there is occasionally speaking in tongues.
Not sure about a bishop - our pastor refers to himself as either pastor or undershepherd.
Like everyone, Chuck Smith was an imperfect person, but he opened his Bible and started teaching during a time when it wasn't popular where he was from. I don't think he ever intentionally misled anyone or presented the gospel with ulterior motives.
I'm sure every denomination misses the mark in some minor area. But if a church is true to the foundational principles in the Bible and does it's best to be faithful to present the secondary teachings accurately, then there is no need to be overly critical or cause division. We're all brothers and sisters in Christ, and we should love and support one another!
God bless!
Well, with your veiled swearing at the beginning, I suppose you could agree we all need to be the more sanctified in our speech.
@@JohnathanBach Swearing, as in taking an oath to God, for God is wrong, as it "comes from the evil one." (Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5, also mentioned in James: "ABOVE ALL, take no oath...") Curses are similar, which can be thought of as oaths of a malicious intent. "Cussing" is merely slang for cursing. Paul says to avoid "filthy talk..."
The letters WTF are common military slang, pronounced Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, and any offense is felt only in your heart, my friend. But sanctification, literally to be made holy, is merely to be set apart and used for God's purposes. If a man thinks a thing to be unclean, to HIM it is unclean.
To me, meaningless expletives are relatively harmless. They do however, offend the more Pharisaical brothers. Which is my intent here. That the language is UNDERSTOOD in YOUR heart is the point, and that YOU TAKE offense, and in turn judge me is the game.
Again, "W hy T his F oolishness?"
Have you nothing of a MORE edifying nature to say on the subject at hand?
How is Young Earth Creationism more important as a doctrine than entire sanctification, especially as you view me as lacking in number 2, without any mention of number 1?
And the veiled "swearing" was at the END, not the beginning.