As an owner of the old addict sl (officially 6.0 kg), I think it is the most stable of my bikes both ascending and descending! By the way it was 3200£ back then when I bought it! I have never noticed anything with my addict sl like the things you mentioned with the Factor.
Every time i tried superlight tires they were unusable. Like incredible number of flat, ultra short life (corsa speed tlr ☠). Add on this narrow wheels that you can't repair or get part in case of failure, imposible to adjust handlebar. It's light but it's really for showoff. About ultralight frames they're certainly strong but any outside impact will shatter them to pieces so after a crash even if it's not broken how much confidence would you have left ?
My Factor O2 VAM has survived a crash onto the mech hanger. Mech hanger needed replacing, and collarbone ended up in 4 four pieces but the frame was ok. It is definitely skittish to ride though, i had an Ostro beforehand and that was much smoother on bumpy roads and going round corners.
Considering the UCI weight limit, this bike has very limited use cases for the pros when they can opt for the more aero yet slightly heavier foil at ~7kg ?
Completely agree, i don’t really get the user case for this bike. The pros will basically have to use the second tier version of this bike to be hitting the UCI weight limit.
They could use deeper aero wheels and still meet the UCI limit (granted, there are cons for this), as well as well-placed ballasts. Meanwhile, for the handful of consumers who are willing to spend that amount for a non-UCI race bike, it's a good option 😂
My 2020 Addict RC 15 49cm is down to 6.67kg with mounts and assioma duo (superniced GCN Tech Show Ep. 352 😉) hard to believe the new one is 300g lighter.
I love yhe look of climbing bikes with deep wheels for some reason. I think thats the play here, as deep as you can go given the winds you expect. Also those wheels are crazy light so almost any other wheel set is heavier.
As much as I like the feel of riding two wheels, if I was in the market for a £12,700 two-wheel purchase, it would look more like a Yamaha R6 Race, and I'd spend the balance of the money on the life insurance I would undoubtedly need riding it. I wonder how many non-sponsored purchases are made of a bicycle costing £12,700? And does the sort weight saving that bike offers, ACTUALLY make that much difference to winning, or is it all rider perception?
Im not interested in chasing the lowest possible weight. It isn't practical for everyday use and the condition of our roads.. My opinion is that if it's around 7.5kg I'm happy enough. The customer doesn't benefit when structural integrity is compromised. For a professional race bike those considerations perhaps dont apply.
"they have still rated it for a 120kg rider" (immediately shows the actual limit is 120kg system weight, which includes the bike and the rider's weight) 🙄
Aethos was a dog of a frame. One trick pony. Lightweight. Other than that, it’s not aerodynamic, incredibly inefficient due to lack of stiffness. Non-modern spec. Scott makes great bikes. Specialized just has much more exposure across the globe.
@ that’s one way of looking at it. For the non racer the lack of stiffness is a feature not a bug offering ride comfort. You can call it a one trick pony but being the lightest frame when it was released was quite the achievement. Don’t disagree Scott does make great bikes.
❤Mapdec❤ Hello from Mearns Cycling Club Scotland! I have numerous Scott Addict’s, I have had the pleasure of riding the new Foil ultimate so can appreciate the differences. Is it SAFE?! Yes! (We agree) 2008+ 1st Gen 1. They have continued to pioneer & re-engineer the Addict. I rode the R-series super light Addict from 2010/11, in fact I still have the bike. It’s very stiff but this stiffness tires me out on British roads. It remains perfect in Switzerland. Even on group rides. The build is 6.34kg w/o pedals 2015 Gen 2 2. 2007 it was launched. By 2010 Cavendish won 5 stages of TDF. By 2014 some aero tubing is seen and by 2016 a disc version was sold. I bought the Scott Addict Di2 15 of 2015. It remains a very light 6.9kg w/o pedals bike. This bike made you feel less tired, added extra compliance, comfort, & a pedal transfer efficiency that was felt. In group rides this was my go to bike for 50-80 miles. Simon Yates won the white jersey in 2017 on a SL version. 3. 2020-2024 Gen 3 My RC Addict has bigger tires. 30mm! HMX frame, feels lightweight, needed a wheelset change as most stock bikes need. The addict became more comfortable than ever before, with excellent compliance, stability on corners, fast downhill and brilliant as ever climbing! Thé aerodynamic feeling is felt. Tour magazine believes it’s about a 218/220 watt bike approx. Only PROs feel 10 watt differences, the average Joe feels 20 watt differences. I can confirm that this is an amazing generation & that anyone desiring a new steed should look for bargain sales. 4. Gen 5: 2025 Addict This latest version is pure amazement on paper. This is not from the 1980s drillium era. They are using appropriately strengthened layers that you can feel will hold up our weights. Most of us are deep down weight weenies every time we hit a killer climb! 😅 Comparison: SL7 7.2kg Sram Build In my experience, for example, my SL7 feels as nimble. The SL7 has excellent power transfer, compliance, stability, but feels slightly more stiffer. I would say that the Addict of Gen 3 is close but not quite. The Aethos is very round tubed, there’s no comparison, & your partner in crime is dead on that the SL7 or SL8 feel similar. As noted if it’s 12 watts faster! It’s coming to around a 206 watt bike which is around the level of the SL7-8! Warranty: I have never had an issue. One member in our club had, & warranty claims were speedy and effective. ❤❤❤❤❤❤ Note: I have a de Rosa SK, Orbea, ridden multiple other brands including SuperSix et al, I still end up returning to the Scott addict. Future Wins: Tom Pidcock is going to be a phenomenon! Well deserved, as Ineos are a travesty.
Although I enjoy watching your videos, it is a little disappointing because many of the bicycle brands that you cover are just not available in my market (U.S.) Brands like Scott, Time, Look, etc. I have owned Time and Look pedals and Scott ski equipment, but I've never even seen a bike frame by any of those brands. Oh well...
Really? Scott is a big ski brand. Usually seen in the big resort towns. Time are now made in North Carolina. Look, fair enough, the French don’t really like stepping outside France too much.
@@MapdecVodcast Interesting about Time. I looked on their website. No retailers in Michigan where I lived for 35 years. One each in Portland, OR and Seattle, WA, so a couple within 250 miles of me where I live now. Looks like they haven't actually started any production in South Carolina yet, hopefully things will change once they do.
@@exclusive605That's good to know. I've just never seen anyone riding one. I'm sure If I worked in a shop I'd have a better idea of what is out there, but I can only go by what I see people riding. BTW, I do like Scott.
You don't sit on top tubes casually or not and I'd take a lighter bike over a silly and uneccessarily heavy bike which the vast majority of disc brake bikes are.
The bike in the thumbnail is the RC Pro, not Ultimate, weighing in @ 6.5kg and costing £8,599...
As an owner of the old addict sl (officially 6.0 kg), I think it is the most stable of my bikes both ascending and descending! By the way it was 3200£ back then when I bought it! I have never noticed anything with my addict sl like the things you mentioned with the Factor.
Every time i tried superlight tires they were unusable. Like incredible number of flat, ultra short life (corsa speed tlr ☠). Add on this narrow wheels that you can't repair or get part in case of failure, imposible to adjust handlebar. It's light but it's really for showoff. About ultralight frames they're certainly strong but any outside impact will shatter them to pieces so after a crash even if it's not broken how much confidence would you have left ?
My Factor O2 VAM has survived a crash onto the mech hanger. Mech hanger needed replacing, and collarbone ended up in 4 four pieces but the frame was ok.
It is definitely skittish to ride though, i had an Ostro beforehand and that was much smoother on bumpy roads and going round corners.
My Time VXS translink frame weighs 1100 grams, but fully built ready for ride with campy 11speed mix is 6,6 kilo for a quarter of this price.
My only issue with that unreleased tire is they put the logo upside down.
Considering the UCI weight limit, this bike has very limited use cases for the pros when they can opt for the more aero yet slightly heavier foil at ~7kg ?
Completely agree, i don’t really get the user case for this bike. The pros will basically have to use the second tier version of this bike to be hitting the UCI weight limit.
They could use deeper aero wheels and still meet the UCI limit (granted, there are cons for this), as well as well-placed ballasts. Meanwhile, for the handful of consumers who are willing to spend that amount for a non-UCI race bike, it's a good option 😂
@@mark13williams13 This bike is about getting your name on the Strava leader board for your local climb.
Pros won't be getting those wheels and once you add pedals, cages, mounts, actual proper tyres, the weight will creep towards 6.9 pretty quick
My 2020 Addict RC 15 49cm is down to 6.67kg with mounts and assioma duo (superniced GCN Tech Show Ep. 352 😉) hard to believe the new one is 300g lighter.
I'm gone a keep my Scott Foil , it's more à allround bike . Thank you for your review 😊
I think the Scott Foil is the best looking aero bike of the lot.
How much the foil cost?
@@ΣκιστειςβάρβαροςαποτηνΣκωτία 14,000 $
I love yhe look of climbing bikes with deep wheels for some reason. I think thats the play here, as deep as you can go given the winds you expect. Also those wheels are crazy light so almost any other wheel set is heavier.
The 45mm rims are part of the structure for the spokes to attach. It adds stiffness as well.
Long story short - it has light wheels.
Pretty much
As the bikes get lighter the cap peak gets bigger lol.
I guess it's safer than drilling holes. Glad I overcame my need for speed and replaced it with the need to live 😅
As much as I like the feel of riding two wheels, if I was in the market for a £12,700 two-wheel purchase, it would look more like a Yamaha R6 Race, and I'd spend the balance of the money on the life insurance I would undoubtedly need riding it.
I wonder how many non-sponsored purchases are made of a bicycle costing £12,700? And does the sort weight saving that bike offers, ACTUALLY make that much difference to winning, or is it all rider perception?
Totally rider perception. It’s interesting to see that Scott can do this, but they should probably work out way to reduce costs instead of
Im not interested in chasing the lowest possible weight. It isn't practical for everyday use and the condition of our roads.. My opinion is that if it's around 7.5kg I'm happy enough. The customer doesn't benefit when structural integrity is compromised. For a professional race bike those considerations perhaps dont apply.
I’m down with that
Not 120kg rider! 120kg "system" ie rider +bike+luggage, attachments etc
The best concept, would be anti-gravitation device, which would reduce weight of the bike and rider to zero...
Let’s find an investor and make it happen
@@MapdecVodcast UFO : ) Budget is an issues for them
"they have still rated it for a 120kg rider" (immediately shows the actual limit is 120kg system weight, which includes the bike and the rider's weight) 🙄
Wow that’s a little cheaper and lighter than an Sworks Aethos.
Aethos was a dog of a frame. One trick pony. Lightweight.
Other than that, it’s not aerodynamic, incredibly inefficient due to lack of stiffness. Non-modern spec.
Scott makes great bikes. Specialized just has much more exposure across the globe.
@ that’s one way of looking at it.
For the non racer the lack of stiffness is a feature not a bug offering ride comfort. You can call it a one trick pony but being the lightest frame when it was released was quite the achievement.
Don’t disagree Scott does make great bikes.
Tell us about that beauty behind you
It’s coming
Aeth-eos?
❤Mapdec❤
Hello from Mearns Cycling Club Scotland!
I have numerous Scott Addict’s, I have had the pleasure of riding the new Foil ultimate so can appreciate the differences.
Is it SAFE?! Yes! (We agree)
2008+ 1st Gen
1. They have continued to pioneer & re-engineer the Addict. I rode the R-series super light Addict from 2010/11, in fact I still have the bike. It’s very stiff but this stiffness tires me out on British roads. It remains perfect in Switzerland. Even on group rides. The build is 6.34kg w/o pedals
2015 Gen 2
2. 2007 it was launched. By 2010 Cavendish won 5 stages of TDF. By 2014 some aero tubing is seen and by 2016 a disc version was sold. I bought the Scott Addict Di2 15 of 2015. It remains a very light 6.9kg w/o pedals bike. This bike made you feel less tired, added extra compliance, comfort, & a pedal transfer efficiency that was felt. In group rides this was my go to bike for 50-80 miles. Simon Yates won the white jersey in 2017 on a SL version.
3. 2020-2024 Gen 3
My RC Addict has bigger tires. 30mm! HMX frame, feels lightweight, needed a wheelset change as most stock bikes need. The addict became more comfortable than ever before, with excellent compliance, stability on corners, fast downhill and brilliant as ever climbing! Thé aerodynamic feeling is felt. Tour magazine believes it’s about a 218/220 watt bike approx. Only PROs feel 10 watt differences, the average Joe feels 20 watt differences.
I can confirm that this is an amazing generation & that anyone desiring a new steed should look for bargain sales.
4. Gen 5: 2025 Addict
This latest version is pure amazement on paper. This is not from the 1980s drillium era. They are using appropriately strengthened layers that you can feel will hold up our weights.
Most of us are deep down weight weenies every time we hit a killer climb! 😅
Comparison: SL7 7.2kg Sram Build
In my experience, for example, my SL7 feels as nimble. The SL7 has excellent power transfer, compliance, stability, but feels slightly more stiffer. I would say that the Addict of Gen 3 is close but not quite.
The Aethos is very round tubed, there’s no comparison, & your partner in crime is dead on that the SL7 or SL8 feel similar.
As noted if it’s 12 watts faster! It’s coming to around a 206 watt bike which is around the level of the SL7-8!
Warranty: I have never had an issue. One member in our club had, & warranty claims were speedy and effective.
❤❤❤❤❤❤
Note: I have a de Rosa SK, Orbea, ridden multiple other brands including SuperSix et al, I still end up returning to the Scott addict.
Future Wins: Tom Pidcock is going to be a phenomenon! Well deserved, as Ineos are a travesty.
I’m not sure you watched the video. You seem upset about something we are impressed with.
@ no, I totally agree with you, after having experienced all the iteration of short bikes. Plus the fact there are plenty of deals to be had
Although I enjoy watching your videos, it is a little disappointing because many of the bicycle brands that you cover are just not available in my market (U.S.) Brands like Scott, Time, Look, etc. I have owned Time and Look pedals and Scott ski equipment, but I've never even seen a bike frame by any of those brands. Oh well...
Really? Scott is a big ski brand. Usually seen in the big resort towns. Time are now made in North Carolina. Look, fair enough, the French don’t really like stepping outside France too much.
@@MapdecVodcast Interesting about Time. I looked on their website. No retailers in Michigan where I lived for 35 years. One each in Portland, OR and Seattle, WA, so a couple within 250 miles of me where I live now. Looks like they haven't actually started any production in South Carolina yet, hopefully things will change once they do.
@@dperreno If interested just find a retailer online who ships overseas, delivery costs can't matter much at these prices!
Scott is definitely widely available in the US
@@exclusive605That's good to know. I've just never seen anyone riding one. I'm sure If I worked in a shop I'd have a better idea of what is out there, but I can only go by what I see people riding. BTW, I do like Scott.
Off course that a salesman and a mechanic can certificate the manufacturing of a bike.
🤷♂️
You don't sit on top tubes casually or not and I'd take a lighter bike over a silly and uneccessarily heavy bike which the vast majority of disc brake bikes are.
This is a bit of a joke at durinrider who famously cracked his brand new sl8 by sitting on the top tube.
I seat on top tubes "casually or not", and now I know I wouldn't buy this kind of bikes even if I had too much money...
PF86 BB still? 😒
No problem with that.