I think part of what made the Lich King so intimidating throughout Wrath was his voice. Hearing the old Naxx Arthas voices makes me real glad they gave him such a powerful voice in Wrath. He wouldnt have been anywhere near as scary.
So for those wondering, his voice is actually reverbed with a slight delay and reversing the audio. So what you hear when he speaks is him talking backwards at the same time, with some fade-in/out’s to make it sound more ghostly. source: am audio engineer.
I disagree, the voice they went with was extremely generic and sounded like Dr.Claw. The Classic version needed some improvement but i liked the idea of the voice being a fusion of Arthas and Ner'Zhul, similar to Dragonball Z fusions.
@@valeclaw1697Which interactions with the Lich King in Wrath quashed, because they indicate that the Lich King remembers being a Shaman himself once upon a time… and similarly, a quest line in Icecrown indicates that the Lich King has magically excised key elements of his psyche that started as part of Arthas. Arthas’s psyche was clearly still in there… but though it may have been dominant, it was not whole, while Ner’Zhul’s psyche WAS, as it was magically rooted to the Helm of Domination. What they had was a state of symbiosis in which Arthas reaped greater benefits and had greater control over their combined identity… but one in which neither had been destroyed, only subsumed.
It's always so nice to hear you talk about this ancient era (which I didn't know about) and especially about the reactions and speculations of the community of that time. I find, personally, a shame that they did not take advantage of the quest around Naxxramas to bring back into play a way to go through the old raid (even by removing the rarest objects), just to see the bosses of the 'era.
Thats so true, original Naxx40 is such an amazing experience, far superior to the LK version... but the best way to experience it is with a level appropriate full 40 man raid, the best form of WoW raiding!
I remember seeing an absolutely ancient super poor quality video someone took of them having logged out in old naxx before it was patched out, I watched it when I was just starting to get really into wow in high school (cataclysm) and I had no clue what was going on but I was so fascinated, and I started doing out of bounds stuff after. This topic was kind of a blast from the past. :)
I do Naxx every week on a classic vanilla server and it's cool to hear new stuff I didn't know about. I don't think i've ever actually paid attention to the convo between KT and the Lich King after 4H go down, it's kinda funny now hearing a bit of panic in ol' KT's voice😂
Back in TBC I logged out in Naxxramas and when I logged back in during the Wrath prepatch I was still in the lvl 60 version of Naxxramas. I saw the NPC's in every wing! There were no portals to exit as shown in the video. As it was the old Naxxramas you were unable to leave the dungeon at all. There were windows showing EPL.
Interesting, do you remember when during the prepatch this happened? Most recounts ive seen had the opposite problem, with them being inside a raid full of 80s, and if they got killed, they would have no way of escaping the raid. Maybe the raid id did not change right away
@@TurbotarzanWoWit's b*******raid ID would not be relevant because even if you could manage to get the raide ID from 40 it still o believe is map id 533 (memory based may be wrong) mobs are already scaled
@@TurbotarzanWoW it happend the first day. I logged out in Naxxramas with the intend to find out what would happen. The only thing I got is that I was not in a raid group and I was being ported. I couldn't find anyone to accept my group invite and got ported
I might have something that can interest you. In Grizzly Hills there is a hole in the world that allows you to fly underneath the world and there is some weird stuff down there. I discovered this hole by accident all the way back in Wotlk and it still hasn't been fixed. It is best accessed by a druid in flightform due to areas underneath the world that will disconnect/dismount you randomly. At coords 71.14, in the ravine with the stone throwing giants, there is a pillar you can fly behind and there is a hole near the wall you can move down through and tadaa! You are now underneath the world. In my journeys underneath I encountered bright green "cheese slices" (they have holes like Swizz cheese) and lots of random items floating around. The only issue is the constant disconnects you encounter while exploring, and also trying to not fly to far or you end up out in the open world again.
I'm always excited everytime I see you post a new video. You are quickly becoming my favorite WoW channel. I love WoW trivia and you do an excellent job finding the mysterys and relics of the past. Do you have any plans to cover content in TBC or WOTLK? I'd love to see what you can dig up in those eras in addition to classic! Much love mate
Yeah i sure will, i have some shorter videos from a while back, that focus on events that took place in Wotlk mostly. Its something id like to get back to
I don't know if it still works, but in Shadowlands, at least, you could fly around the sea end of Strathholme and still see an untextured Naxxaramas in the sky, as well as the open world variant of the portals within Stratholme and some openable portcullis'.
From what I remember there was no such a thing as logging in inside old naxx and getting to Wrath zone. People that did got their chars bugged and took them a while to manage to play with said chars.
Funny thing is, Naxxramas didn't get re-tuned at all when it got moved to Northrend. All the NPCs had the exact same stats they had when the raid was "rated" for Level 60. Turns out the reason it was so hard was because it was tuned for Level 80 players years before Level 80 was a thing.
The fake EPL area has its whole north-eastern part replaced with a copy of a large part of north-eastern winterspring, which acts as the "Northrend" background for the last phase of kel'thuzad
oh i always wondered if you could get the staff khadgar has and while its neat to know you could its depressing to know that it cant be obtained anymore
Yea its a huge shame the amount of content that LK and Cataclysm removed, it's one of the reasons why I consider both the first expansions to start wow's massive decline... was all up until then
Well yeah. It was the last raid of Vanilla. There were maybe like... 3 or 4 guilds worldwide that actually finished it before TBC originally dropped. It was grueling. It was meant to be grueling. And the demand for various types of resistance gear was just stupid. Especially frost, which no one had at end game. Hell, the only real endgame frost resist gear had to be crafted INSIDE Naxx itself, and the mat requirements were obscene. The only saving grace was, unlike BWL, you didn't need a specific piece of equipment to survive and you only had to have so much frost resist, so just a couple pieces of gear as opposed to an entire of set of resist. Otherwise, there would have been no way to power through Sapphiron.
Corrupted Ashbringer is still one of the coolest lore things in WOW. I actually liked how they handled it with Wrath, though. Feels too powerful and cool to give to players vs Tirion Fordring being able to purify it and wield it himself.
Oh boy wait until you find out they literally just handed it to EVERY paladin in Legion lmfao, what a letdown that was. Way to make a legendary weapon super lame
Exploring Northrend a month early in 2008 would be so sick
Getting into the Beta for wrath was and cata were some of the biggest highlights of my 18 year wow “career” lol. It was amazing.
u had to be there
@@hypercynic I remember running a sandbox version. All the DK spells was just instant cast damage abilities.
I think part of what made the Lich King so intimidating throughout Wrath was his voice. Hearing the old Naxx Arthas voices makes me real glad they gave him such a powerful voice in Wrath. He wouldnt have been anywhere near as scary.
So for those wondering, his voice is actually reverbed with a slight delay and reversing the audio. So what you hear when he speaks is him talking backwards at the same time, with some fade-in/out’s to make it sound more ghostly.
source: am audio engineer.
I disagree, the voice they went with was extremely generic and sounded like Dr.Claw. The Classic version needed some improvement but i liked the idea of the voice being a fusion of Arthas and Ner'Zhul, similar to Dragonball Z fusions.
@@archivey-h8e yeah but I think by then blizz was starting to push the angle that Arthas had killed Ner'zhul in the helmet in the Arthas book.
@@valeclaw1697Which interactions with the Lich King in Wrath quashed, because they indicate that the Lich King remembers being a Shaman himself once upon a time… and similarly, a quest line in Icecrown indicates that the Lich King has magically excised key elements of his psyche that started as part of Arthas.
Arthas’s psyche was clearly still in there… but though it may have been dominant, it was not whole, while Ner’Zhul’s psyche WAS, as it was magically rooted to the Helm of Domination.
What they had was a state of symbiosis in which Arthas reaped greater benefits and had greater control over their combined identity… but one in which neither had been destroyed, only subsumed.
It's always so nice to hear you talk about this ancient era (which I didn't know about) and especially about the reactions and speculations of the community of that time.
I find, personally, a shame that they did not take advantage of the quest around Naxxramas to bring back into play a way to go through the old raid (even by removing the rarest objects), just to see the bosses of the 'era.
Thats so true, original Naxx40 is such an amazing experience, far superior to the LK version... but the best way to experience it is with a level appropriate full 40 man raid, the best form of WoW raiding!
I remember seeing an absolutely ancient super poor quality video someone took of them having logged out in old naxx before it was patched out, I watched it when I was just starting to get really into wow in high school (cataclysm) and I had no clue what was going on but I was so fascinated, and I started doing out of bounds stuff after. This topic was kind of a blast from the past. :)
Does anyone else remember the OG Naxx 40 moving around plaguewood? It wouldnt move super far around EPL. I dont remember it floating in a static zone.
I do Naxx every week on a classic vanilla server and it's cool to hear new stuff I didn't know about. I don't think i've ever actually paid attention to the convo between KT and the Lich King after 4H go down, it's kinda funny now hearing a bit of panic in ol' KT's voice😂
Back in TBC I logged out in Naxxramas and when I logged back in during the Wrath prepatch I was still in the lvl 60 version of Naxxramas. I saw the NPC's in every wing! There were no portals to exit as shown in the video. As it was the old Naxxramas you were unable to leave the dungeon at all. There were windows showing EPL.
Interesting, do you remember when during the prepatch this happened? Most recounts ive seen had the opposite problem, with them being inside a raid full of 80s, and if they got killed, they would have no way of escaping the raid. Maybe the raid id did not change right away
This is literally impossible as all the mobs scaling was implemented in the pre-patch and Naxx 40 is not a different map zone ID from 10 and 25
@@TurbotarzanWoWit's b*******raid ID would not be relevant because even if you could manage to get the raide ID from 40 it still o believe is map id 533 (memory based may be wrong) mobs are already scaled
@@TurbotarzanWoW it happend the first day. I logged out in Naxxramas with the intend to find out what would happen. The only thing I got is that I was not in a raid group and I was being ported. I couldn't find anyone to accept my group invite and got ported
I might have something that can interest you. In Grizzly Hills there is a hole in the world that allows you to fly underneath the world and there is some weird stuff down there. I discovered this hole by accident all the way back in Wotlk and it still hasn't been fixed. It is best accessed by a druid in flightform due to areas underneath the world that will disconnect/dismount you randomly. At coords 71.14, in the ravine with the stone throwing giants, there is a pillar you can fly behind and there is a hole near the wall you can move down through and tadaa! You are now underneath the world. In my journeys underneath I encountered bright green "cheese slices" (they have holes like Swizz cheese) and lots of random items floating around. The only issue is the constant disconnects you encounter while exploring, and also trying to not fly to far or you end up out in the open world again.
Dude I remember the lich king story so much I was thrilled at the idea of spotting him like big foot.
5:54 Lich king sounding a little like a Dalek here
I'm always excited everytime I see you post a new video. You are quickly becoming my favorite WoW channel. I love WoW trivia and you do an excellent job finding the mysterys and relics of the past.
Do you have any plans to cover content in TBC or WOTLK? I'd love to see what you can dig up in those eras in addition to classic! Much love mate
Yeah i sure will, i have some shorter videos from a while back, that focus on events that took place in Wotlk mostly. Its something id like to get back to
i miss old WoW.
glory days man
I don't know if it still works, but in Shadowlands, at least, you could fly around the sea end of Strathholme and still see an untextured Naxxaramas in the sky, as well as the open world variant of the portals within Stratholme and some openable portcullis'.
Been waiting for another video ^^
Yeah its been a while this time, hope you liked it :)
From what I remember there was no such a thing as logging in inside old naxx and getting to Wrath zone. People that did got their chars bugged and took them a while to manage to play with said chars.
Funny thing is, Naxxramas didn't get re-tuned at all when it got moved to Northrend. All the NPCs had the exact same stats they had when the raid was "rated" for Level 60. Turns out the reason it was so hard was because it was tuned for Level 80 players years before Level 80 was a thing.
Brilliant video!
Glad you liked it!
The fake EPL area has its whole north-eastern part replaced with a copy of a large part of north-eastern winterspring, which acts as the "Northrend" background for the last phase of kel'thuzad
The old voice for Lich King is so weird to me.
oh i always wondered if you could get the staff khadgar has and while its neat to know you could its depressing to know that it cant be obtained anymore
Yea its a huge shame the amount of content that LK and Cataclysm removed, it's one of the reasons why I consider both the first expansions to start wow's massive decline... was all up until then
yay a new video
You can still get to the eastern plague lands outside naxx in retail
im pretty sure the skeletal mount was recolored so that it could be the skeletal warhorse. could be wrong, just a guess
very nice vid to play SoD to :)
Very nice vid to light up a spliff to as well!
Cool video!
I was just in Eastern Plaguelands today :)
doing this in classic wow was hard if you werent geared and world buffed to the T
Well yeah. It was the last raid of Vanilla. There were maybe like... 3 or 4 guilds worldwide that actually finished it before TBC originally dropped. It was grueling. It was meant to be grueling. And the demand for various types of resistance gear was just stupid. Especially frost, which no one had at end game. Hell, the only real endgame frost resist gear had to be crafted INSIDE Naxx itself, and the mat requirements were obscene. The only saving grace was, unlike BWL, you didn't need a specific piece of equipment to survive and you only had to have so much frost resist, so just a couple pieces of gear as opposed to an entire of set of resist. Otherwise, there would have been no way to power through Sapphiron.
@@rcslyman8929yes, it was perfect, amazingly designed, the peak of challenging WoW raiding
The Ashbringer...
Well the good news is they brought back old Naxx in retail. But of course itll involve some quests in order to gain access to it.
why does the oob version of EPL look better than the classic overworld we get ingame, man that is cool.
The alpha/beta version of WoW had a bit more of a Warcraft3 kind of artstyle, it's especially apparent when u see old Outland
Corrupted Ashbringer is still one of the coolest lore things in WOW. I actually liked how they handled it with Wrath, though. Feels too powerful and cool to give to players vs Tirion Fordring being able to purify it and wield it himself.
Oh boy wait until you find out they literally just handed it to EVERY paladin in Legion lmfao, what a letdown that was. Way to make a legendary weapon super lame
Construct Wing and Military Wing not Abomination and Death Knight wing
These were the old names used before blizzard named them Construct and Military quarter in the remake
they shouldnt delete stuff...
I hated this raid.