Why Screenwriters Need To Know Math - Logan Burdick
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- Logan Burdick is a writer/director who has spent his professional life immersed in the digital media landscape (as a creator, producer, and production/development executive), and seeks to infuse the style, culture, and stories of that world into traditional storytelling. Logan's latest script IT TAKES THREE is a modern influencer twist on a Cyrano de Bergerac story when the coolest guy in school discovers that the new girl sees through his popularity and good looks, he enlists the class nerd to take over his social media accounts to add substance to his style.
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Funnily enough, I'm a Mathematics and Statistics graduate that suddenly turned to film. Freelanced for five years, began writing more and more after my first short. Nowadays deep into several features. I've always felt my mixture of logic/creative has resulted in a real strength in plot.
screenwriting is ALL structure - 'William Goldman'.
I’ll graduate in May next year and also study math and statistics! Now I’m preparing for my film school application 😊
Right. There's no irony in that at all. People with above average math skills are often better at breaking down complex plots and getting to the bottom of what makes them work. Originality, as we know, is not enough.
@@neverland9887 what film school are you going to?
I have a photographic memory type, I would say the logistics of statistics sure does sizes the nixes of writing mixes
Sounds like what Dov Simens said. All you need is 5 "Oh no's", 5 "Oh shits" and 2 "Oh my Gods"
I’m an engineer who does writing in my free time, and even I can agree that math has to be incorporated into screenwriting
Me too. Outlining reminds me a lot of creating blueprints for my engineering projects.
screenwriter = musician + architect + artist
Can we just agree that every writer is an individual and there is no "do this and all is good" in writing. Everyone has a different approach to writing and it will also heavily depend on the genre and the story itself. If only we could stop making videos that suggest that there is a right way to do it - because there isn´t. Sit down - be passionate - find your way - nail it!
But these videos are helpful. Showing us how others before us did it. We can use whatever we want from their way to assemble our own way.
What about physics? The act of telling a story is about manipulating space and time to convey a meaning, right?
originality is key
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Even though I can think of a thousand reasons why I wouldn't make a good screenwriter it is sweet to hear this. I want to hear more from this guy becasuse he sounds like he can answer questions I have in a language I understand. Thank you Film Courage and thank you Santa.
(Did this sound Aspie? I hope it sounded at least a little bit Aspie.)
Plotter vs Pantser age old debate. The secret is: both works...maybe not for everybody and maybe not for every project. I find that outlining shows you the viability of the project and makes you understand your characters more.
For a professional writer, he uses the word 'like' quite a lot!
He's a writer, not a public speaker.
He should've written what he was gonna say you can say 😆 oversights happen to the best of us
There is an overlap between writing and being a public speaker. Not necessarily in regards to delivery (volume, diction, rhythm, etc.) but certainly when it comes to vocabulary, choice of words and the way one structures sentences.
I'm just pointing out as something that he should work on, because it gets pretty annoying after a while. It's not like he is a bad person because of it.
touché
I read the comments and only a single poster used the correct English “Maths”. And that’s vaguely comical. I’m not personally talented at Maths but I can tell usually in an few hours if they’re good at it because those who are tend to have ordered thoughts, a logical flow to ideas that makes them easy to follow. I glean from Burdick that the discipline of many functions learned from Maths helps him write better, more efficiently, and ultimately more logical stories. Great advice and for those it resonates with I’m sure it will help. For those who despise the subject, I’m pretty sure you have your talents and workarounds for storytelling. P.S. remember when you saw _The Matrix_ and realized the author used seventh grade Calculus as a backdrop for a story? UNREAL use of calculus!
Im an engineer who writes in my free time and this is how my brain comes out with stories lol
I refuse to believe this. Adding structure to creativity is good to a certain extent but you shouldn't over do it and it shouldn't be the main focus. I feel the same way with music..... these theories are good and these set of rules are good but at the same time they have the ability to drain your intuitive and spontaneous thoughts. It's all about the balance for me. Art is something you want to learn but not too much if that makes sense.
I think the important thing to remember is that every artist is different. The entire creative process will vary depending on the artist. I enjoy watching the Film Courage interviews because there is a lot of great information and insight, but when it comes to the rules, if it doesn't apply to me, or I give it some thought and conclude that this particular "rule" or school of thought doesn't work for me, I file it in the "Things Other Artists Do" cabinet and keep it moving. I refuse to be discouraged or held back by someone else's idea of how my creativity is supposed to work.
Listening to this and I could not agree more with you. It also provides proper explanation why they are making those formulaic lukewarm movies...
Don’t want to learn too much?? Tell the greatest writers that they shouldn’t learn too much and they’d launch their whiskey bottles at your head lmao great writers learn until they can’t anymore
@@brandonm8479 i was 17 when i wrote this and i still sort of agree with myself. Over informing yourself can cloud original ideas because unlike you said, there is no such thing as not being able to learn anymore. In today’s age you can constantly gain new information about even a niche subject everyday for the rest of your life if you see fit…but like many artists, at some point YOU have to personally set a limit and say to yourself you’ve learned all you can learn. Do you get my point? Learn all you can learn but don’t let time pass you by because you were too busy overthinking it. The most successful people tend to be masters of execution. Focus on that.
@@apep.8555 lol you’ve never learned all you can learn. That’s the point. The greatest writers always find ways to learn how to be better. Complacency is dangerous, especially when it comes to art/craft.
Wow we have a very similar process
You can incorporate anything you want, maths, physics, alchemy, it will still not the core of writing, the real thing is to write something that really mean something to you, and dig deeper on it. indeed
There's no shortcut to creativity and no amount of clickbait videos will ever make you more creative. You just have to create and consume something new everyday until ideas come to you naturally.
Me about to watch: 😮 "this I gotta see."
I remember daVinci doing this in southern France
Spinoza’s Ethics: Treatise on Emotions is a good way to view action and emotions in a math formula.
He said the word math once, sort of; he said mathematical, and not like the title suggests.
His methodology reminds me of Larry Brooks’ Story Physics. Six core competencies of storytelling, and six forces that drive them. None is more important than the other; they all work together. One of those is structure. How you use that structure is up to you. And if you don’t write with it in mind, that’s fine, just know that every edit brings you back into that structure that we recognize as a story anyway. Whether you find it in the drafting or in the outline, it doesn’t matter because the result is the same.
It is a principle, though, not a rule. A rule applies only one way in every situation unless you change it. A principle doesn’t change, but has many applications.
The math side of storytelling comes in when writing a certain moment in the story. You know what effect it is supposed to have, you know it’s supposed to be stronger than the last thing, but not as strong as the one toward the end. That’s literally as mathematical as storytelling gets.
If everything you set up pays off well, and the story is meaningful, you love the characters, beginning is strong and makes you curious to read on, the end satisfies, and it’s entertaining to those who read it, you’ve done the “math” correctly.
great advice
Numbers are the purest of beings for they carry the voice of God.
I don't see how this really has much to do with math anymore than the average person needs math to count the number of toes they have
bro i am the worst in math and i am writing my own short films😭
It's not as scary if you think of a way to organize and streamline things, the guy in the vid seems to be obsessed with being overtly meticulous. You DON'T need to do that!!
honestly i'm terrible at math too lol. but i'm also not talking about calculus here
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We all need math! Cheers Film Courage!!
I love how she insists on investing in herself. Statistically, the $5500 in stock offers a much better rate of return than a low budget film, 70% of which lose money. Still, it built her rep as a film maker.
How much math are we talking about here? 🤔
Minimum requirement of Calculus II
@@franklinmudole lol Yeah right
I am hopeless at maths...oh well
Seems like there are a lot of pantsers in the comments lol. It's all about finding your process, whatever that means to you. No one is saying you have to follow his advice.
no you *have* to follow my advice. every other path leads to complete & utter failure. /s
I am unstructured simple humble filmmakers***
It's more of a science but not a pure science like math. Math in screenwriting =formulaic end product.
what if there is no ‘big’ moment? is there beauty in that kind of writing too?
it's subjective, so whatever works for you!
There's a reason you're writing it. I think you should articulate that reason clearly. What are you trying to say? What is the point you are trying to bring out? Once you know this with clarity you can look at your script objectively, and judge if you are bringing out that purpose in the strongest way.
@@rivkaz3989 thank u 🙏🏾
You would actually get more done this way, if you already have an idea down then you could EASILY go beat by beat, not a lot of writers have that strength without something to drive home, so take advantage of that and work with your other halves!!
Math is the only universal language, as one plus one, shall always equal two, in all languages, as time shall reveal all, to all....
You mean one plus one shall always equal two.
@@UltimateTobi lol my bag!!!
@@UltimateTobi Thank You for noticing that, two many Christmas cocktails, Happy Holidays to you, and yours!!!!
1+1=2....ohh boy, youre not going to like these Woke freaks when you find out they think math and logic are racist and 1+1!=2
@@WakeAndBakeWithUncleRay You too man. Take care and merry Christmas.
No one should ever take advice from him. Look at his body of work....pass
How much math?
Enough to outline a story.
@@Chandler_Goodrich Okay, that's fair.
I'm pretty good at prealgebra and of course PEMDAS I just suck at percentages...
@@mr.siloniouskitizo1150 I highly recommend Larry Brooks’s book Story Physics. That book really helped me understand storytelling better. It explains the principles behind what makes a good story and how to use them. Fascinating read.
The last time I used math was when I had to design a bending ring for an avatar short film that I did about pro bending haha.
@@Chandler_Goodrich Thanks man!
It's cool that this writer thinks you have to know math to write a screenplay. All writers have their own way of doing things. Let's not make this more complicated. No you don't have to know algebra to write a screenplay. 🙄
Did you even watch this video?
No. Stop it. Never. Math has no place in film or photography accept calculating day rates. ;)
I mean like you want your plot points to be every quarter of the way so I guess there's that
I disagree; you can apply math to whatever you’re doing (not necessarily to the extent of advanced mathematics, but you get the idea)
are you aware of the Golden Mean? Or the pareto principle?
@@roathripper - No. I wasn't smart enough to be anything but a photographer..lol
Of course it does ...the Golden mean in photography, The number of pages for a script, how many minutes one page translates to on film. How many minutes/pages until the climax, the denoument...etc. writing a screenplay without math leaves you with a poorly paced film that drags or flies without any recognizable rhythm.
Welp 😰
I disagree with this, Math is one of the stupidest things thought in high school and is not needed to write.
Not necessarily. People who are good at math tend to solve all kinds of problems quicker -- and not just problems that involve numbers. There's a lot of problem solving in writing a screenplay that is both entertaining and logical.
@@HENRYIII003 I have seen enough of math for one life time
Lol. Wrong
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