why on earth do they still implement PVE set bonuses to pvp? We all know both enviroments should be seperated. Let pvp vote for pvp set bonuses and the same for pve.
@@B-... No. The S3 tier set allowed Chill streak to also bounce off of the player so it could still do damage in Single Target. Without the tier set, chill streak won't have anything to bounce off of in Single Target so it becomes a dead talent outside of AoE. I'm saying it should always be able to bounce off of the player.
I think it would be good if we could just choose what set bonus we wanted to use from season 1,2 3 leave it more open to try and play against different bonuses
So, just watched a Critcake video that was uploaded 2 days after this one and Arms isn't getting Season 3's set bonus, were getting Season 1's set bonus. They apparently kept voting open and EU voters pushed season 1 over season 3. So no extra sudden death execute, thunderclap's. Just a 15% damage and crit chance to MS (likely 8% in pvp with 50% pvp modifier) 2 set, and a 4 set of when MS crits, your damage and crit chance is increased by 8% for 6 secs (again, probably just 4% due to 50% pvp modifier)
In Season 3, they changed so often, it's hard to put any stock in what's going to happen. And they were changing without telling us at times--disc in particular went from top tier to trash pretty fast.
I'm 490 ilvl MS warrior and my damage was just tripled by a frost mage geared in greens with 466 ilvl. Balance is so bad now some class do so much damage like MM Hunters, mage, afflic lock, spriest, Evokers, ret paladin, DH. Always the same classes.
Shadow is not going to feel weaker. With that set bonus it was one of the best specs season 2. It won't have to pick certain talents to make this seasons set work so it will have a lot more pressure.
Cracks me up that Blizz PvP devs and the community think it's acceptable for DK to have to Chains of Ice + run away when every other melee just brawls it out.
@supatease, do you feel the set changes will affect the stat meta? IE maybe boomies emphasize the burst and got a little more split haste/mastery OR do you feel its still haste> all
It feels fine I still have my season 1 set. I equipped it and did some battleground blitz since your gear scales up ran the whole mortal strike season 1 build and was seeing 300k mortal strike crits I think it will be fine.
Wouldn’t the classes that use mastery as their scaling stat also perform the best as mastery doesn’t really have a cap? I can imagine classes that just stack crit don’t perform very well since it caps at 40% ?
I really feel strongly that you’re missing out on changes that will maybe be bigger for S4. At least for some specs. Specifically how the specs scale with stats. Usually some specs scale up insanely high in consistent damage while other builds might become viable due to hitting a higher threshold, in crit for example. But for some specs sure, the sets are yikes or nirvana.
Disc has sucked for all 20 years only original healer spec to not win a BlizzCon. Only spec in the game with no stun or interrupt option and the worst mana in the game - also they heal like shit for 20 years. Since we kept set bonus probably going to uninstall. You know how much people are trying to bullshit you when they try to sell you disc as being good. But Venruki co-blizzard employee mage shill thinks its great so it must be...
i mean its one thing to nerf destro but to take all the fun out of it was a real kick in the nuts. They want us to blame the raiders but they knew wtf they were doing
Can you and ven do some more mmr/inflation videos. I feel you guys have a huge impact and whenever you guys start to make videos and what not it gains a lot of traction.
The frost mage season three tier is so horribly designed. I can’t believe people actually voted for it. It literally forces you to play one talent, which goes against the point of talent trees to begin with. Notably, you have to spend a bunch of points to even get to glacial spike. Very disappointing.
What absolute garbage for enahnce shaman, definitely quitting in s4 till war within comes out.. what are we even paying for at this stage.. Blizzard is just rinse repeating through all content to maximise profits and we're all falling for it.. a new season and not a single new pvp feature - fuck off
Really sad about the holy paladin changes, enjoyed the S3 set a lot, but destro is straight up wtf, they just wanted to nerf themselves? xd (no matter the PvP/PvE)
guess ill go another season with 2 set as disc, but bro.. this tier set system is just unfair and they knows it. do different pools and set for pvp and pve in case, if not, keep doing this no sense and getting backlash from community idk 😅
Wait im confused. On here it says fury is getting sesson 3 but on crits video it showed eu made season 2 win. Was there vote manipulation that was fixed or what?
so glad fury stayed the same. this season has been so fun. for UH and frost i hope to see some changes as far as tuning, but overall happy w/ all the picks for my classes.
Nah blizz hates dk they will leave us C and F tier. Unholy was great at the beginning of the season and now we are literally the worst melee in the game even behind enhance and feral.
This is what I never liked about WoW.... class power being tied to tier sets. Can't gear just be gear for the stats?? Weird how the community fought to get rid of borrowed power but were fine with just going back to tier sets?
Letting the players choose n all was kind of cool, I see what they were doing. But it's straight up lazy and who would have known this was gonna be the outcome 😂😂 ggs blizz
I’m just hoping that the severe low participation coming in season 4 exposes the out of date reward structure when rank 1 cutoff sits around duelist range for most of the season. The mass of tears might finally force blizzards hand to actually implement some changes.
Playing SV in RSS has been absolutely painful this season. While I never liked the 4 set, at least we had better burst potential. Now that that is gone... S4 is going to be a wash. I have 0 hope for the season as is. DHs going 2-3 months with almost no changes just showed us how many they actually care about PvP. FW meta can diaf.
Yeah as an unholy main they really gutted the crap out of the class and did nothing to fix it. We use to counter casters but now we can’t even do that.
pvp the way the system is now is demotivating players to play. 2k + cr agaist rank 1 multy glads. is so unfair and boring. and keeps the ladder deflected but thanks for trying to hype wow.....
@@Nothingnesslol It's literally the only spec that Supa placed in the C tier in his latest update two weeks ago: th-cam.com/video/ks2-uZJvVpY/w-d-xo.html
why on earth do they still implement PVE set bonuses to pvp?
We all know both enviroments should be seperated.
Let pvp vote for pvp set bonuses and the same for pve.
My guess is laziness?
@@13samfootballlaziness? You sure it’s not so you don’t have to farm different sets? So people can’t complain about Farming ?
Exactly. It’s so dumb.
I agree. High key still time to do this… Some classes are getting destroyed by these poor set designs.
That would require effort. They don't do dat anymore. Too many corpowhore apologists creating a culture where that's acceptable.
Its great, every arena lobby will be DH Arms Ret WW and double fist weaver balance finally acheived
every lobby is just dh, arms and ww anyway with a bit of lock.
Wow is tunneler game. It will never make range players rewarding
Its a talent now linked to VT I think @@jayfedder1578
thank god we play druids boissssss time to get boomy its feathers hahhaahaa
Plus lock ele and occasional arcane mage. Plus hunters.
why won't they just let us choose between them all in-game instead?
This Voting thing they did, was a pure disaster from a Pvp perspective. Most specs got the worst set bonus among all 3 seasons. Gz blizz...
blame the players
almost like if having pve and pvp separate set bonuses would be better
@@TheRobochicken5494nah they took a lazy approach to this, total L. Like yourself
For Frost DK, they should just make chill streak bouncing off the player a part of the talent. It just makes too much sense.
Nerf chillstreak you say?
@@B-... No. The S3 tier set allowed Chill streak to also bounce off of the player so it could still do damage in Single Target.
Without the tier set, chill streak won't have anything to bounce off of in Single Target so it becomes a dead talent outside of AoE.
I'm saying it should always be able to bounce off of the player.
I think it would be good if we could just choose what set bonus we wanted to use from season 1,2 3 leave it more open to try and play against different bonuses
That’s actually a great idea.
Could play with 2, 2 sets if your class benefited from it. Would be so interesting.
The amount of balancing alone required for this would make it impossible
“Chains of ice and running away” is really good To be fair. Most dks just facetank til they dead tho
So, just watched a Critcake video that was uploaded 2 days after this one and Arms isn't getting Season 3's set bonus, were getting Season 1's set bonus. They apparently kept voting open and EU voters pushed season 1 over season 3. So no extra sudden death execute, thunderclap's. Just a 15% damage and crit chance to MS (likely 8% in pvp with 50% pvp modifier) 2 set, and a 4 set of when MS crits, your damage and crit chance is increased by 8% for 6 secs (again, probably just 4% due to 50% pvp modifier)
supa great video, but you are also looking at out dated version of these tier sets some of them have been changed!
simple solution, don't even bother playing it because getting duelist next season will be like getting r1 in SL s1
For real.
All most people care about is the mog
@@Americanheld And its the same mog as this season, zzzz I sleep
they shoulda just let you pick between any of the 3 or like constantly be able 2 swap to any of them?
Why you can´t just buy which tier set bonuses you wan´t from vendor..
Not sure what ur looking at was updated , arms is getting season 1 set, it’s already seen in game.
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Nope was confirmed and buffed in patch notes
@@shugguls Dam boring X ability increased by Y%
Yeah - he got my hopes up!
In Season 3, they changed so often, it's hard to put any stock in what's going to happen. And they were changing without telling us at times--disc in particular went from top tier to trash pretty fast.
They should let you choose which one you want to use so it doesn't adversely affect PvP.
God damnt you're intro so awesome every time. I just love it!
I'm 490 ilvl MS warrior and my damage was just tripled by a frost mage geared in greens with 466 ilvl. Balance is so bad now some class do so much damage like MM Hunters, mage, afflic lock, spriest, Evokers, ret paladin, DH. Always the same classes.
Enhancement not receiving Season 2 set bonus is criminal!
Shadow is not going to feel weaker. With that set bonus it was one of the best specs season 2. It won't have to pick certain talents to make this seasons set work so it will have a lot more pressure.
WoW balance: The classes in the top arn't 5% better. They are 75% better..... Why? Why Blizzard? Why?
Cracks me up that Blizz PvP devs and the community think it's acceptable for DK to have to Chains of Ice + run away when every other melee just brawls it out.
Since Ret S4 tier and probably all hero talent DoTs are likely to be dispellable, ill be on my Hunter or DH if you need me.
What? Pretty sure on the PTR arms warrior is season 1 and fury is season 2
@supatease, do you feel the set changes will affect the stat meta? IE maybe boomies emphasize the burst and got a little more split haste/mastery OR do you feel its still haste> all
So why is pve and pvp have the same setbonus
Nice to know that there is no reason to come back for season 4. Thank you and see you in the next one. 😉👌
One less 1600 gladiator player to deal with, nice.
This should have been a tier list!
Seeing comments that the warrior set bonus might be incorrect if it is season 1 insteads that a RIP arms warriors.
It feels fine I still have my season 1 set. I equipped it and did some battleground blitz since your gear scales up ran the whole mortal strike season 1 build and was seeing 300k mortal strike crits I think it will be fine.
Right, when I wanted to try destro lock...thank you blizz
Destro is going to slap my dude. Lock scales so well, by the time you have your 4set, that extra Chaos Bolt damage is going to be gnarly.
Yeah, see you guys next xpac lmao
@supatease are pvp elite sets going to be the same color ways too? Have they said anything on colors yet?
Wouldn’t the classes that use mastery as their scaling stat also perform the best as mastery doesn’t really have a cap? I can imagine classes that just stack crit don’t perform very well since it caps at 40% ?
chains of ice, running away = no self healing.
How mutch are we Shaman going to suffer for Thralls misstakes 😅
I really feel strongly that you’re missing out on changes that will maybe be bigger for S4. At least for some specs. Specifically how the specs scale with stats. Usually some specs scale up insanely high in consistent damage while other builds might become viable due to hitting a higher threshold, in crit for example. But for some specs sure, the sets are yikes or nirvana.
Disc has sucked for all 20 years only original healer spec to not win a BlizzCon. Only spec in the game with no stun or interrupt option and the worst mana in the game - also they heal like shit for 20 years. Since we kept set bonus probably going to uninstall. You know how much people are trying to bullshit you when they try to sell you disc as being good. But Venruki co-blizzard employee mage shill thinks its great so it must be...
Venruki... lol washed up mage that plays double frost 1shot build the only thing he can do too climb the ladder 😅
Wdym mehhx has won multiple times as disc
@@videofabriken Played holy & never a BlizzCon.
@@videofabriken He won splits as holy not blizzcon as disc.
Awc and blizzcon is the same thing, just different name
Hi Supatease can you link the vote thing so I can choose Vote worst in slot for Melee's and Best in slot for casters please?
rip holy paladin
I thought Arms Warriors are getting the S1 set bonus - NOT the nice S3 bonus
Terrible set choice for ret
i mean its one thing to nerf destro but to take all the fun out of it was a real kick in the nuts. They want us to blame the raiders but they knew wtf they were doing
Your list might be outdated @Supatease Arms is getting s1
Can you and ven do some more mmr/inflation videos. I feel you guys have a huge impact and whenever you guys start to make videos and what not it gains a lot of traction.
The frost mage season three tier is so horribly designed. I can’t believe people actually voted for it. It literally forces you to play one talent, which goes against the point of talent trees to begin with. Notably, you have to spend a bunch of points to even get to glacial spike. Very disappointing.
pve andys, I hate having to hardcast with my mage in arena
What absolute garbage for enahnce shaman, definitely quitting in s4 till war within comes out.. what are we even paying for at this stage.. Blizzard is just rinse repeating through all content to maximise profits and we're all falling for it.. a new season and not a single new pvp feature - fuck off
very helpful thank you bro
Idk where you are reading these results from but some of them are not correct. Arms is getting season 1 set back not season 3.
Sigh main shadow and destro guess I’m done until next expac
Death Knight’s have it rough rn
Really sad about the holy paladin changes, enjoyed the S3 set a lot, but destro is straight up wtf, they just wanted to nerf themselves? xd (no matter the PvP/PvE)
Glad I deleted all my old toons, and chose to main a Resto Shaman. Sadly seems like the weakest healing spec in the game
guess ill go another season with 2 set as disc, but bro.. this tier set system is just unfair and they knows it. do different pools and set for pvp and pve in case, if not, keep doing this no sense and getting backlash from community idk 😅
so blood dk druids andd markman hunters is what we should be playin got it
Wouldnt mind some blood DKs on my team to grip the melee off my MM😅
wow devs have given up
Wait im confused. On here it says fury is getting sesson 3 but on crits video it showed eu made season 2 win.
Was there vote manipulation that was fixed or what?
so glad fury stayed the same. this season has been so fun. for UH and frost i hope to see some changes as far as tuning, but overall happy w/ all the picks for my classes.
Nah blizz hates dk they will leave us C and F tier. Unholy was great at the beginning of the season and now we are literally the worst melee in the game even behind enhance and feral.
fury are so weak..they die so fast
Fury War is worst melee in s3.
@@jameskim1505 so play arms? Its the best melee in the game. Lmao dk is miles behind in both our specs with no option to get better.
@@RhodesianSuperiorityfury is best melee in the game? You spell Demon Hunter in a weird way
wooo Spriest is gonna be poo YET AGAIN
S4 will be the lowest of the low in participation. This goes for raiding, mplus and pvp. If there is no serious class balance I'm done for S4.
it sucks they cant just let every spec be decent..shadowlands you could play anything and do well in pvp.
my poor resto shammy 😢
This is what I never liked about WoW.... class power being tied to tier sets. Can't gear just be gear for the stats??
Weird how the community fought to get rid of borrowed power but were fine with just going back to tier sets?
Tier sets have always been a thing since classic wow? Lol they are good if done right.
ryan are you stupid or smth
@@G_P333 Thats why I generalized WoW as a whole?
All of pvp sucks in retail.
Resto shamans OMEGALUL
PvErs sabotaged us. 😞 this is by far the worst tier set possible lol
I dont worry about rogue
Letting the players choose n all was kind of cool, I see what they were doing. But it's straight up lazy and who would have known this was gonna be the outcome 😂😂 ggs blizz
I’m just hoping that the severe low participation coming in season 4 exposes the out of date reward structure when rank 1 cutoff sits around duelist range for most of the season. The mass of tears might finally force blizzards hand to actually implement some changes.
thanks
i hate what they did to holy pala ....blizzard so useless
Resto sham s1?? Who tf is voting like this??
I play enhance. Of course its going to suck
Bruh frost death knight is dogshid 5 expansions in a row
legion pruning ruined frost dks
Thats because it's a brain dead spec unholy is too, but def use your brain a flake more
Playing SV in RSS has been absolutely painful this season. While I never liked the 4 set, at least we had better burst potential. Now that that is gone... S4 is going to be a wash. I have 0 hope for the season as is. DHs going 2-3 months with almost no changes just showed us how many they actually care about PvP. FW meta can diaf.
Yeah this seasons set was pretty cool giving you a decent burst window every other trap, the new set is boring and unhelpful
The resto shaman one isnt even good for PvE players. It's so trash, its like they voted for it for a meme and blizzard took it seriously.
People who voted for fury set don’t play fury
Nerfs inc
oh no! anyways.
DK is an absolute joke, worst class in the game right now and easiest to kill/kite.
Clown show
Yeah as an unholy main they really gutted the crap out of the class and did nothing to fix it. We use to counter casters but now we can’t even do that.
@@jeffbarbary5616 I feel your pain as an unholy main. Can't kill casters, melee chews us apart.
blizzard should of gone nah you're wrong from resto sham and destro lock
Buff dk!
Bring back arena realms
Evoker sucks!
pvp the way the system is now is demotivating players to play. 2k + cr agaist rank 1 multy glads. is so unfair and boring. and keeps the ladder deflected but thanks for trying to hype wow.....
I’m going to play regardless. Because I just enjoy PvP.
I'm a Preservation Evoker, my class always sucks.
prevokers are one of the best healer right now lol
Pres is top healer, just crt better bud
Pres is top healer, just get better bud
@@Nothingnesslol It's literally the only spec that Supa placed in the C tier in his latest update two weeks ago: th-cam.com/video/ks2-uZJvVpY/w-d-xo.html
Wait what why sid he just say we are keeping sudden death i thought ptr is the mortal season 1 ser
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