Everyone hates the current games and goes back to playing previous games. When the previous game was the current game, it was hated too. The cycle will never end.
@@TypicalBlakktry two years and a halfway through season 3. When G dropped and even then the last two years with the Luke domination left everyone on all levels with a bad taste in their mouths.
This is what I hate so much about being a Mortal Kombat fan. The fan base just needs something to complain about all the time. Everybody hated MK 11 when it was out because it was slow and boring and now that they're not willing to put in the effort to learn an assist game MK11 has suddenly become an overlooked masterpiece. Same's gonna happen to MK1 when they sunset that game in favor of something more like MK11 because Zaslav forced Ed and company to make what sells.
@@SirLightsOut99 actually this is false. Injustice 2 was hated players went back to MKXL. Mk11 was hated players went back to MKXL NRS keeps ignoring the obvious that players loved MKX yet keep pumping out garbage. They have yet to reach that same success that MKX had.
I think that is something that got lost with making execution easier. With SF4 you had to invest a lot of time into execution with your character that made it harder to switch between multiple characters, as well as the time investment to switch characters. Which is why people stayed loyal for the most part to their mains.
That was what I loved about Capcom Cup or whatever it was in 2015, I think. Players from all over the world playing all sorts of characters at a high level.
@@exiaR2x78I think it's still a weird barrier for viability when a character's best BNB consisted of multiple 1 frame links meanwhile Evil Ryu could just sneeze a baby mode combo and do mad damage. Why would you even bother trying to use characters like Blanka at that level if the risk of dropping the combo and exploding because of it was so high?
@@caldw615 Gotta also remember at that point people had invested what 3 years into their main's from vanilla SF4 till Evil Ryu dropped. I was more so getting at the ease with modern games, its a lot easier to get the execution with the ease of execution which is why people jump around characters a lot more then the SF4 era
back in the good old days when no character could turn green and do an unreactable dash attack. instead they would turn yellow and do an EX unreactable roll attack
My old ass remembering the trailer being showed, and seeing all my friends in class the next day freaking out about it. The hype was real lol Shout-outs to mom and pop game shops that would let you buy games a week before launch btw.
SFIV was truly, truly great. To be elite at it you really, really needed to know your stuff. PR Rog, Smug Dudley, Ricki Ortiz Rufus, Murderface Tokido, 808 Strider, ChrisG, Flash Metroid, Xian, Gamerbee, Pepeday, all the killers. There was SO MUCH TALENT. I feel lucky to have been an 09er streaming next level battle circuit every week.
Man, I love the SF4 Era. I am an 09'ner. That being said, This game had an abundance of Bullshit, for better and for Worse. I would love a re-release of this game with Rollback Netcode, better lobbies, and other Quality of Life changes. Take care! Sajam.
I remember that my friends say that this game is honest and stuff, while I be abusing low forward shoulder into red focus as yun. I feel bad stealing rounds because that was so good. And I had friends literally say that they only play honest street fighter while picking ibuki and whiffing buttons full screen. Still love this game though.
I genuinely would prefer ssf4 over sf6 with the new graphics and online improvements. I want my one frame links, super jump cancels, ibuki and cviper. Give me my execution back
@burkshomemadememes I would still say that SF4 is a more honest game than SF6. Sure, some characters had cheap comebacks to steal rounds like Yun's shoulder > red focus > ultra. But the damage was so much less, scaling was higher and wasn't capped - there were more instances of knockdown > time to guess per round. In contrast, there's SF6 where most of the cast have some form of throw loop, every knockdown leads to drive rush meaty overhead/low/throw mixup, most of the cast can get huge damage off throwing out a random cr mk > drive rush in neutral. I guess it's balanced because most of the cast can all do the exact same thing, but overall I would say the game feels much cheaper and less honest than SF4 after delayed wakeup was introduced.
@@nebbiez Ibuki literally had unblockables and usf4 had some crazy jank. Love it for the jank though. Sf6 is honestly fine, I think the biggest problem is that everyone plays "a lot more generic", but I feel the problem is that people just optimize the game better due to social media. Like if sf4 came out in 2024, I think evil Ryu would of been "discovered" a lot early on. And if you're comparing the later stage of SF4 to SF6, it's pretty unfair. Try comparing vanilla sf4 with vanilla sf6. Respect for the things that sf4 did for the fgc in general, but the Sagat damage, akuma sweep, Seth in general is kind of nutty. (Like akuma doing sweep into his setups, Cammy back throw, ibuki kunai, etc...) Sf6 balance patches seem to be going into the right direction. Sure, there's your typical top tiers and Rashid going unga Bunga, but I think a few small tweaks will make everyone really viable.
@@arpadszabo661I still want my money back. I played like two hours of sf5 and realized it's 🗑️. It took so long to get into a state where I could even call it a game, I didn't even care at that point anymore
@@GFClockedfor real. Heads are really forgetting the launch did SFV in to the point where Capcom publicly apologized for it on Twitter. It got better A Lot later but that release put the nail in the coffin for me.
@@matthewprawl6221 Yeah its actually wild to me as to how alive that game managed to stay. The launch was a trainwreck, S2 was a mess. Arcade edition was when it started getting good and tbh is what the game should have launched as. I do feel like SF6 has repeated a lot of the same mistakes as SFV which is very frustrating
Rolento was really annoying, but it takes a real annoyance artisan like Nemo to actually make him work. I remember watching so many matches of Rolentos running away the whole game and eventually losing.
SF4 is goated. It’s how I was introduced to the FGC scene and the atmosphere was amazing. EVO, Hotel Room Money Matches and character expression were peak. Not to mention Daigo was insane in 4. Good times.
Every time you watch SF4 on stream I'm reminded "man this game was fucked up.' I also repeatedly find myself going "god I love this game." SF4 was something else man
35:49 I mean, John Choi's Ryu actually eliminated Daigo's E.Ryu at EVO 2014. I think you could count the amount of people that could out-shoto 2014 Daigo on one hand. Choi is straight up world class when both players just want to chuck hadokens.
♪~Let's all laugh at the FGC~♪ ♪~They never learn anything tee hee hee~♪ In this episode cycle is "New game bad, old game Good!" as they poopoo SF6 and nostalgia goggling SF5. SF5.
I remember seeing so many people saying that was going to happen, and everyone else saying that no one would because SF5 sucks so much. Yet here we are.
Feel like Sajam gotta make the same video every couple of months talkin bout topics like this since time is a flat circle but its always a banger vid so its all good lol
@@doublevendetta Neither did the OP. They were making an obvious joke as a reference to people missing old games no matter how bad they were by citing pretty much _the only_ unequivocally bad Street Fighter game.
Forever the funniest thing Capcom has done to me is tease a really cool final character for Ultra and there was all this speculation of who it could be and it ended up being Cammy with a mask
The CPT season being over is probably a big factor in this shift. With no more qualifying tournaments left people can kind of relax for a while and stop focusing on the competition while we wait for Capcom Cup to come around.
Rolento is soooo cool. Super hard to play too. You cant just do that stuff. Hes a high execution, high mental stack (for yourself) character. Annoying to fight? Yea. Hes a tricky zoner/rishdown-ish hybrid character, when hes played right he can feel unfair. But he is fair, hes far frol being the best character. And alot of his stuff is alot slower and less safe than it seems. Its just so tricky and diverse that he can get away with it. But it takes a special player to actually use it all properly. insanely sick, unique, difficult to play and fun to watch! Also PR balrog is such a siiiick player. so so good. Miss him.
was playing USF4 on a laptop recently because it's the newest SF I can run on that thing. Links are so fucking hard man, it's back to the old 3rd Strike feeling of feeling like a GOD for landing a combo with a single 1-or-2-frame link Also EX Green Hand Zangief is a nightmare and PLEASE CAPCOM bring back El Fuerte and Hakan
You could show people 1000 examples. And they would still just be like...old game good new game bad. New mechanics bad. Old ones good..Sf4 is the game that started the whole..comback mechanics. No one bats an eye at it now. Back then people used to moan soooo hard because of that bar. Now sf4 is looked at ever so fondly. Yet anything that would have these mechanics now is hated on. Funny how history constantly repeats itself. Players back then had soooooo much more skill, characters soo fair and balanced...you sure? People were scrubby and did stupid things back then too. I'd argue that balance back then was way worse also. now. Let the googly eyes tell it tho....
Another comment that is just fooling people, ofcourse sf6 is a lot more balanced than sf4 was, ofcourse some matchups were insanely bad, dumb, random and all that but sf6 is just straight up boring to play no matter how "balanced" the game is, because you are playing against universal mechanics and characters not the players, the skill ceiling is at the floor for sf6 right now, i see people that never touched a fighting game before coming to sf6 and picking up bison or aki and here they are 1800mr in less than a year
Man, SF4 was in the best time in the FGC. NLBC every week, with Marvel too, Excellent Adventures. I've been engaged more with FGC content than I was at that time. Absolute Peak.
I DO really like the very individualistic characters in 4 and to an extent 5, you get some very unique things when the universal mechanics aren't so dominating in how combo structure and neutral plays out.
This was the SF I was scared to play. I was exclusively a Melee player when SF4 was at its peak, even went to evo in 2013, and hearing about stuff like one frame links really scared me off. Always loved watching PR Rog though.
Gen isn't a hype character, but in the Fei matchup especially so. Fei can punish Gen hands on block, sometimes on hit, and can escape left/right mixups with EX chicken wing, meaning Gen players have to play especially lame.
As a zangief player; first time i fought a rolento and saw the roll i thought “hmmm, i bet i could cmd grab that” and i was right. My friends burst out laughing when they saw it.
As a Hakan/Hawk main, I will never understand people that miss 1f links. If people like that stuff, great for them, but I won't miss all the ridiculous situations especially with how garbage online was. I think if they removed the input buffer on things in sf6 maybe the execution dudes will be happy again, I dunno. Maybe they'll enjoy characters doing unsafe moves over and over knowing that the punish is only going to hit the 30% of the time due to the input buffer being gone.
I think my favorite overall set was Fuudo vs Tokido in canada up GF, but there's the other side that has fchamp vs pro fluke, living in my head rent-free. You should re-live that Gandi vs FSP match if you haven't already lol.
The AE12 era was my favorite but I really enjoyed USF4 a lot. People who say " the game peaked at Super " are just speaking with 2010 nostalgia due to the game still being fresh at the time. The game got a new announcer, character select screen/music, and a nice bulk release of characters that were just waiting be labbed. (Speaking of bulk releases, hold onto that thought as you read on) So it's no wonder that people just associate Super with nothing but good. It was overall a net positive for peoples reception of the game, minus the 40 dollar price tag of course. The average level of play during 2010 Super was extremely low compared to Jan 2016 USF4. So low that people didn't even have to worry about vortex or unblockables more times than not. (Also Many of these unblockables literally existed in Super but we just didn't know it yet) Heck, you almost never had to worry about fighting a good Viper player either. (There was literally only a handful of TRULY good Viper players at the time) Ask a Japanese friend about Super, he will mostly likely say that Japan practically didn't even have a Super era because Arcade Edition was already out in Japan by December 2010. (The west didn't have to deal with Yun and Yang in AE until June 2011) And my final argument against Super: Take one good look at some characters tool kits and combos. Their move sets were borderline dysfunctional in some cases. Characters like Cammy literally could not do most of the basic link combos you do with her today. I'm serious, go boot up USF4 right now, go to edition select, start with vanilla Cammy, try some links, then realize that most of them literally just don't work. Then try Super Cammy, she's almost just as trash. (Being able to TK the regular version of cannon strike in Super is kind of nice though, but at what cost? lol) She gets better in AE. Then the moment you get to AE12 Cammy is when you start to notice how much better she feels and then its no wonder she became top tier in AE12. lmao This applies to a lot of the roster I feel. In conclusion, I don't miss the weak character power from Vanilla and Super. (And before you bring up vanilla Sagat, Ryu, or whoever, that doesn't count, those characters just had ridiculous damage, they didn't actually have high character power, there's a difference) Onto the bulk topic: The same way UMVC3 completely shook up the meta with the release of 12 new characters, USF4 shook up the meta with 5 new DLC characters. For better and for worse, but I would say mostly for the better, especially at the time. We will never get bulk DLC character releases like that again I feel. That's gonna be a new subject of discussion, the end of bulk DLC character releases, you heard it here first. But it was just so crazy having 4 top tier characters release at the same time in retrospect. I'm talking about Rolento, Decapre, Poison, and Elena. Granted, Poison eventually fell from S tier but she was still solid in the end nonetheless. And Elena after initially being perceived as weak eventually shot up to the top of the tier list. So yes all 4 of those characters were strong. And even Hugo, although he was weak, he was an extremely interesting low tier that absolutely did his part to shake up the meta. (For good and bad reasons in his case, those hugo hitboxes are wild lol) Think of it in a glass half full way and appreciate the moment, we won't get those bulk meta's ever again I feel. The closest well get is maybe a dual release of Yun and Yang (hopefully they're busted to add hype and controversy, hehe) And we got Vice and Mature in KOF15 recently but they didn't shake much up sadly. But Sektor and Cyrax in the MK1 Khaos reigns update ASBOLUTELY shook up that games meta, so I appreciate that.
Everything you showcased about Rolento is perfectly normal and balanced. If you tried playing him yourself you would knew his weaknesses. Rolento's walkspeed very slow and he cracks under pressure
I click on every sf4 nostalgia vid frame 1. Some things never change As for sfv, its recent enough for me to look back without rose tinted glasses, final season or two was SO good regardless
I really did love SF4 tournament footage, it’s was probably the biggest thing that got me interested in fighting games. But there probably is some rose colored glasses since I didn’t know that much about fighting games back then.
IDK what it means that my favorite SF4 matches all-time are Snake Eyez vs Xian at EVO 2014, followed by Pepeday vs Poongko at Canada Cup 2014. Most boring, intense footsies vs the most ballistic disrespectful display of offense.
In a heat of a match I totally forgot why we were watching it. So hype it was. USFIV had its problems, lots of them, but the amount of diversity in play styles it presented for me overshadows all its flaws. SFV came to it at the end too, but in a more unified ruleset for neutral and through wild vtriggers. SF6 with all the possibilities feels like the most the same of all three. All high tier characters looks like do pretty much the same stuff. And unique chars are kinda left behind. I hope in 3rd 4th year the game will find its course as did its predecessors.
Watching these SF4 sets is so funny, especially Rose. Every Rose player in the world would tell you Rose sucks because drill is punishable, but there's no input buffer so she just gets away with it while invincible backdashing away, having stupid good normals, an incredible fireball game, and ORBS
Still think the most fun version of the game was SSFIV. And that despite being a Hakan player. The game just ended up feeling bloated with each iteration after that, not necessarily in terms of characters, but in terms of unnecessary mechanics and tweaks.
@ At best we’ll probably have to settle for one of his daughters being playable in SF6 using some of his moves, or even his wife with the kids as an install Super. Basically a more “marketable” Hakan. But it’s just not the same, man…
I stopped playing before Ultra but played a ton during Super and AE. I remember the bullshit that was Yun and Yang. I both love and hate SF4, its the game that actually got me to learn fighting games but Jesus Christ it had so much bullshit over the years. I will never understand people who think rollback is "fake" or not a big deal because of SF4. I will take wacky rollbacks over the garbage that was SF4 netcode anytime.
USF4 could have lasted long enough to polish SF5 had they not added Elena or made her "healing" her Super and not Ultra. Still, no SF game had the hype that USF4 did.
If 1 frame links didn't exist sf4 would be higher up there. I had more fun in sf4 even if I had no 1 frame link combos but all the cools combos do require the 1 framers
Fighting games aren’t fun to learn. They’re too many mechanics that interact with each other that you have to deal with all at once. You can’t process everything that’s happening at once so when you lose or win you don’t know what you did right or wrong. The amount of mechanics and how fast they are makes the game fun once you reach a certain point, but in the beginning it doesn’t make sense. New fighting games in a series suffer this problem. Theoretically there is nothing wrong with drive rush. It’s not “random” but it’s different and it changes the game in so many ways it can be overwhelming. “Skipping neutral” isn’t a bad thing, it’s just something that needs to be accounted for. It’s no different than an opponent choosing one normal over another. Just another possibility to consider. The game is different but not unfair or any less skill full.
Xian is the best evo champ! he was winning everything even started playing mvc3 thee only top player using that character the WNF b4 that evo was epic (xian vs ross in a fn stacked local) insane run! the goat of goats!
Rolento in Ultra really lived up to his career choice as a war criminal
Everyone hates the current games and goes back to playing previous games. When the previous game was the current game, it was hated too. The cycle will never end.
Sf5 was garbage for a min on release though
@@TypicalBlakktry two years and a halfway through season 3. When G dropped and even then the last two years with the Luke domination left everyone on all levels with a bad taste in their mouths.
This is what I hate so much about being a Mortal Kombat fan. The fan base just needs something to complain about all the time. Everybody hated MK 11 when it was out because it was slow and boring and now that they're not willing to put in the effort to learn an assist game MK11 has suddenly become an overlooked masterpiece. Same's gonna happen to MK1 when they sunset that game in favor of something more like MK11 because Zaslav forced Ed and company to make what sells.
Nah, street fighter 5 will always remain trash and the only redeeming quality was bringing back r Nika, birdie, and Alex and adding G!
@@SirLightsOut99 actually this is false. Injustice 2 was hated players went back to MKXL.
Mk11 was hated players went back to MKXL
NRS keeps ignoring the obvious that players loved MKX yet keep pumping out garbage. They have yet to reach that same success that MKX had.
My absolute favorite street fighter content is Mike Ross completely losing his marbles fighting Rolento players on Capcom Pro Talk.
those ones with Kbrad are all time classics
excellent adventures was peak fgc content
i dont think anything will top excellent adventures in its prime
Anytime Mike says "WATCH THIS "
and then gets blown the fuck up
@paru144 yup his life flashes in front of his eyes when says "check this out"
Pro SF4 having so many character specialists made it very entertaining to watch, even at a weekly level.
I think that is something that got lost with making execution easier. With SF4 you had to invest a lot of time into execution with your character that made it harder to switch between multiple characters, as well as the time investment to switch characters. Which is why people stayed loyal for the most part to their mains.
I said the same thing lmao
That was what I loved about Capcom Cup or whatever it was in 2015, I think. Players from all over the world playing all sorts of characters at a high level.
@@exiaR2x78I think it's still a weird barrier for viability when a character's best BNB consisted of multiple 1 frame links meanwhile Evil Ryu could just sneeze a baby mode combo and do mad damage. Why would you even bother trying to use characters like Blanka at that level if the risk of dropping the combo and exploding because of it was so high?
@@caldw615 Gotta also remember at that point people had invested what 3 years into their main's from vanilla SF4 till Evil Ryu dropped. I was more so getting at the ease with modern games, its a lot easier to get the execution with the ease of execution which is why people jump around characters a lot more then the SF4 era
back in the good old days when no character could turn green and do an unreactable dash attack. instead they would turn yellow and do an EX unreactable roll attack
My old ass remembering the trailer being showed, and seeing all my friends in class the next day freaking out about it. The hype was real lol
Shout-outs to mom and pop game shops that would let you buy games a week before launch btw.
SFIV was truly, truly great. To be elite at it you really, really needed to know your stuff. PR Rog, Smug Dudley, Ricki Ortiz Rufus, Murderface Tokido, 808 Strider, ChrisG, Flash Metroid, Xian, Gamerbee, Pepeday, all the killers. There was SO MUCH TALENT. I feel lucky to have been an 09er streaming next level battle circuit every week.
Man, I love the SF4 Era. I am an 09'ner. That being said, This game had an abundance of Bullshit, for better and for Worse. I would love a re-release of this game with Rollback Netcode, better lobbies, and other Quality of Life changes. Take care! Sajam.
I remember that my friends say that this game is honest and stuff, while I be abusing low forward shoulder into red focus as yun. I feel bad stealing rounds because that was so good.
And I had friends literally say that they only play honest street fighter while picking ibuki and whiffing buttons full screen.
Still love this game though.
and then they’ll release ultimate street fighter 4 with 10 new broken characters after fixing the ultra ones
I genuinely would prefer ssf4 over sf6 with the new graphics and online improvements. I want my one frame links, super jump cancels, ibuki and cviper. Give me my execution back
@burkshomemadememes I would still say that SF4 is a more honest game than SF6. Sure, some characters had cheap comebacks to steal rounds like Yun's shoulder > red focus > ultra. But the damage was so much less, scaling was higher and wasn't capped - there were more instances of knockdown > time to guess per round. In contrast, there's SF6 where most of the cast have some form of throw loop, every knockdown leads to drive rush meaty overhead/low/throw mixup, most of the cast can get huge damage off throwing out a random cr mk > drive rush in neutral. I guess it's balanced because most of the cast can all do the exact same thing, but overall I would say the game feels much cheaper and less honest than SF4 after delayed wakeup was introduced.
@@nebbiez Ibuki literally had unblockables and usf4 had some crazy jank. Love it for the jank though.
Sf6 is honestly fine, I think the biggest problem is that everyone plays "a lot more generic", but I feel the problem is that people just optimize the game better due to social media.
Like if sf4 came out in 2024, I think evil Ryu would of been "discovered" a lot early on.
And if you're comparing the later stage of SF4 to SF6, it's pretty unfair.
Try comparing vanilla sf4 with vanilla sf6. Respect for the things that sf4 did for the fgc in general, but the Sagat damage, akuma sweep, Seth in general is kind of nutty.
(Like akuma doing sweep into his setups, Cammy back throw, ibuki kunai, etc...)
Sf6 balance patches seem to be going into the right direction. Sure, there's your typical top tiers and Rashid going unga Bunga, but I think a few small tweaks will make everyone really viable.
I remember people saying sf4 sucks and other things like “when sfv launches I’m never touching this game ever again”
And then SFV launched lol
I did dislike Ultra, but i had no idea how bad Sfv was about to be lol
@@arpadszabo661I still want my money back. I played like two hours of sf5 and realized it's 🗑️. It took so long to get into a state where I could even call it a game, I didn't even care at that point anymore
@@GFClockedfor real. Heads are really forgetting the launch did SFV in to the point where Capcom publicly apologized for it on Twitter. It got better A Lot later but that release put the nail in the coffin for me.
@@matthewprawl6221 Yeah its actually wild to me as to how alive that game managed to stay. The launch was a trainwreck, S2 was a mess. Arcade edition was when it started getting good and tbh is what the game should have launched as. I do feel like SF6 has repeated a lot of the same mistakes as SFV which is very frustrating
Rolento was really annoying, but it takes a real annoyance artisan like Nemo to actually make him work. I remember watching so many matches of Rolentos running away the whole game and eventually losing.
Thank you for pointing out how well Nemo plays the character, I have to imagine he was living during this time
SF4 is goated. It’s how I was introduced to the FGC scene and the atmosphere was amazing.
EVO, Hotel Room Money Matches and character expression were peak. Not to mention Daigo was insane in 4.
Good times.
Every time you watch SF4 on stream I'm reminded "man this game was fucked up.' I also repeatedly find myself going "god I love this game." SF4 was something else man
hyuup, this is a certified sajam video I re-watch every few months
35:49 I mean, John Choi's Ryu actually eliminated Daigo's E.Ryu at EVO 2014. I think you could count the amount of people that could out-shoto 2014 Daigo on one hand. Choi is straight up world class when both players just want to chuck hadokens.
“Hey Broski can I copy your homework”
“Sure Sajam but don’t make it too obvious”
The homework:
The Kirby plush…I love it
♪~Let's all laugh at the FGC~♪
♪~They never learn anything tee hee hee~♪
In this episode cycle is "New game bad, old game Good!" as they poopoo SF6 and nostalgia goggling SF5.
SF5.
I remember seeing so many people saying that was going to happen, and everyone else saying that no one would because SF5 sucks so much. Yet here we are.
nostalgia is a hell of a drug
See you guys again in sf7!
That a Yahtzee reference?
Feel like Sajam gotta make the same video every couple of months talkin bout topics like this since time is a flat circle but its always a banger vid so its all good lol
Pepeday vs Poongko, El Fuerte vs Seth is among my favorite sets I have seen, it is pure madness and it's incredible
And you have Pepeday vs Daigo at Canada Cup, and that's one of the best sf4 sets of all time to me.
Oh good yes the hype was so great. Mike Ross 🤯
Sf4 was cool cuz of all the character specialists at the top level the variety in top 8s was almost always varied
0:24 that's a pretty good run of Touching you hair any percent no glitches category.
I love people just commentating old matches so much
I was really hoping Sajam would show some Fuerte matches. Pepeday holds some of my favorite SF4 moments.
Pepeday vs Daigo at Canada Cup is one for the ages.
@@beserkmaster Just looked it up and wow, this is a fantastic set. I'd love if Sajam did match analysis on this cuz they're SWINGIN.
I love Rolento as a character, don't see him ever coming back but damn watching Nemo pop off with such a bizarre character was peak Ultra
More than anything this is making me happy to see Nemo always played like a maniac lol
I miss the good old days of street fighter 1
Say sike right now
@@doublevendetta You do it.
@@duxnihilo No lol, because I'm not the one who insinuated that SF I is or ever WAS, a good game
Eagle is based af. Peak character design.
@@doublevendetta Neither did the OP. They were making an obvious joke as a reference to people missing old games no matter how bad they were by citing pretty much _the only_ unequivocally bad Street Fighter game.
3:09 Boxer combos are so chefs kiss 👌
Definitely - in PR Rog's hands it's incredible, and Dudley is magic in Smug's hands. It's beautiful to see
Watching Justin Wong heal with Elena 7 times in a row in match was crazy to me
Forever the funniest thing Capcom has done to me is tease a really cool final character for Ultra and there was all this speculation of who it could be and it ended up being Cammy with a mask
26:23 What a "Come on, stop trying to hit me an hit me" ahh match
30:45 Stuff like this was so awesome to see. That slow patience, neutral style gameplay is so fun to watch.
Im nostalgic for Seth Killian on commentary
I was going to say I wonder what this game would look like with modern controls until i remember there was a 3DS version
The CPT season being over is probably a big factor in this shift. With no more qualifying tournaments left people can kind of relax for a while and stop focusing on the competition while we wait for Capcom Cup to come around.
Rolento is soooo cool. Super hard to play too. You cant just do that stuff. Hes a high execution, high mental stack (for yourself) character.
Annoying to fight? Yea. Hes a tricky zoner/rishdown-ish hybrid character, when hes played right he can feel unfair. But he is fair, hes far frol being the best character. And alot of his stuff is alot slower and less safe than it seems. Its just so tricky and diverse that he can get away with it. But it takes a special player to actually use it all properly.
insanely sick, unique, difficult to play and fun to watch!
Also PR balrog is such a siiiick player. so so good. Miss him.
was playing USF4 on a laptop recently because it's the newest SF I can run on that thing. Links are so fucking hard man, it's back to the old 3rd Strike feeling of feeling like a GOD for landing a combo with a single 1-or-2-frame link
Also EX Green Hand Zangief is a nightmare and PLEASE CAPCOM bring back El Fuerte and Hakan
Nemo's Rolento was diabolical.
You could show people 1000 examples. And they would still just be like...old game good new game bad. New mechanics bad. Old ones good..Sf4 is the game that started the whole..comback mechanics. No one bats an eye at it now.
Back then people used to moan soooo hard because of that bar. Now sf4 is looked at ever so fondly. Yet anything that would have these mechanics now is hated on. Funny how history constantly repeats itself.
Players back then had soooooo much more skill, characters soo fair and balanced...you sure? People were scrubby and did stupid things back then too. I'd argue that balance back then was way worse also. now. Let the googly eyes tell it tho....
Fighting games dont attract the most intelligent or humble individuals sadly lol. Its always gonna be playground level "my side vs yours" nonsense.
wtf is a macanic
False: Comeback mechanics started with supers in Super street fighter 2
Another comment that is just fooling people, ofcourse sf6 is a lot more balanced than sf4 was, ofcourse some matchups were insanely bad, dumb, random and all that but sf6 is just straight up boring to play no matter how "balanced" the game is, because you are playing against universal mechanics and characters not the players, the skill ceiling is at the floor for sf6 right now, i see people that never touched a fighting game before coming to sf6 and picking up bison or aki and here they are 1800mr in less than a year
@destroybuster facts, you just proved my point even more, lol. I had totally forgotten about that damn.
I think I have watched 2 hours tournament play combined for SFV and SF6. For SF4 I watched it religiously.
You're missing a lot of GREAT sets then
Same here. I think the fact that there wasn't tournaments every day of every week made it so they tournaments we did have seemed more special.
I watched 4 religiously also. I will be a lifelong cult member!!!
Same, I followed so much sf4, but I just didn’t care about 5/6, not gonna trash talk the games or w/e, I just had no interest
The way I was waiting for this video after seeing all the talk that’s been going on
Man, SF4 was in the best time in the FGC. NLBC every week, with Marvel too, Excellent Adventures. I've been engaged more with FGC content than I was at that time. Absolute Peak.
i completely forgot about the headbutt reaction to the ex wall jump and proceeded to do my best sajam mickey mouse impression
I DO really like the very individualistic characters in 4 and to an extent 5, you get some very unique things when the universal mechanics aren't so dominating in how combo structure and neutral plays out.
20:49 Kazunoko was not kidding when he said he didn't want to learn footsies
This was the SF I was scared to play. I was exclusively a Melee player when SF4 was at its peak, even went to evo in 2013, and hearing about stuff like one frame links really scared me off.
Always loved watching PR Rog though.
You played melee and were scared off by one frame links?
People are comparing Day1 hate to End-of-life glaze and they need to stop.
i remember hating rolento on release so much. glad i wasnt alone.
“yea. this was like a decade ago” 😭
Gen isn't a hype character, but in the Fei matchup especially so. Fei can punish Gen hands on block, sometimes on hit, and can escape left/right mixups with EX chicken wing, meaning Gen players have to play especially lame.
focus attack on minus is the same energy as i dp on my unsafe blockstrings
Me and my friend still play sf4 because it’s the only game we can play. It’s so fun.
29:41 they remember the cool super into ultra or hands loops and erased old man playing chess in the park
Biggest glow up from this era is definitely Latif with how yoked the dude is now compared to back then
Infinite amazing sets in SF4 but I have to admit I was expecting Infiltration vs. PR Rog EVO 2013. The pocket Hakan still blows my mind.
As a zangief player; first time i fought a rolento and saw the roll i thought “hmmm, i bet i could cmd grab that” and i was right. My friends burst out laughing when they saw it.
As a Hakan/Hawk main, I will never understand people that miss 1f links. If people like that stuff, great for them, but I won't miss all the ridiculous situations especially with how garbage online was. I think if they removed the input buffer on things in sf6 maybe the execution dudes will be happy again, I dunno. Maybe they'll enjoy characters doing unsafe moves over and over knowing that the punish is only going to hit the 30% of the time due to the input buffer being gone.
I still remember people hating ultra sf4 the last few months before sf5 was released. Rose tinted glasses have a strong effect on fighting games
@Sajam Lunge punch OS worked anywhere but i think it whiffed on Rose because her back dash went so far.
I think my favorite overall set was Fuudo vs Tokido in canada up GF, but there's the other side that has fchamp vs pro fluke, living in my head rent-free. You should re-live that Gandi vs FSP match if you haven't already lol.
The AE12 era was my favorite but I really enjoyed USF4 a lot. People who say " the game peaked at Super " are just speaking with 2010 nostalgia due to the game still being fresh at the time. The game got a new announcer, character select screen/music, and a nice bulk release of characters that were just waiting be labbed. (Speaking of bulk releases, hold onto that thought as you read on) So it's no wonder that people just associate Super with nothing but good. It was overall a net positive for peoples reception of the game, minus the 40 dollar price tag of course.
The average level of play during 2010 Super was extremely low compared to Jan 2016 USF4. So low that people didn't even have to worry about vortex or unblockables more times than not. (Also Many of these unblockables literally existed in Super but we just didn't know it yet)
Heck, you almost never had to worry about fighting a good Viper player either. (There was literally only a handful of TRULY good Viper players at the time)
Ask a Japanese friend about Super, he will mostly likely say that Japan practically didn't even have a Super era because Arcade Edition was already out in Japan by December 2010. (The west didn't have to deal with Yun and Yang in AE until June 2011)
And my final argument against Super: Take one good look at some characters tool kits and combos. Their move sets were borderline dysfunctional in some cases. Characters like Cammy literally could not do most of the basic link combos you do with her today. I'm serious, go boot up USF4 right now, go to edition select, start with vanilla Cammy, try some links, then realize that most of them literally just don't work. Then try Super Cammy, she's almost just as trash. (Being able to TK the regular version of cannon strike in Super is kind of nice though, but at what cost? lol)
She gets better in AE.
Then the moment you get to AE12 Cammy is when you start to notice how much better she feels and then its no wonder she became top tier in AE12. lmao
This applies to a lot of the roster I feel. In conclusion, I don't miss the weak character power from Vanilla and Super. (And before you bring up vanilla Sagat, Ryu, or whoever, that doesn't count, those characters just had ridiculous damage, they didn't actually have high character power, there's a difference)
Onto the bulk topic:
The same way UMVC3 completely shook up the meta with the release of 12 new characters, USF4 shook up the meta with 5 new DLC characters. For better and for worse, but I would say mostly for the better, especially at the time. We will never get bulk DLC character releases like that again I feel. That's gonna be a new subject of discussion, the end of bulk DLC character releases, you heard it here first. But it was just so crazy having 4 top tier characters release at the same time in retrospect. I'm talking about Rolento, Decapre, Poison, and Elena. Granted, Poison eventually fell from S tier but she was still solid in the end nonetheless. And Elena after initially being perceived as weak eventually shot up to the top of the tier list. So yes all 4 of those characters were strong. And even Hugo, although he was weak, he was an extremely interesting low tier that absolutely did his part to shake up the meta. (For good and bad reasons in his case, those hugo hitboxes are wild lol) Think of it in a glass half full way and appreciate the moment, we won't get those bulk meta's ever again I feel.
The closest well get is maybe a dual release of Yun and Yang (hopefully they're busted to add hype and controversy, hehe)
And we got Vice and Mature in KOF15 recently but they didn't shake much up sadly.
But Sektor and Cyrax in the MK1 Khaos reigns update ASBOLUTELY shook up that games meta, so I appreciate that.
As a marvel player, I knew that Rolento would cross up.
Everything you showcased about Rolento is perfectly normal and balanced. If you tried playing him yourself you would knew his weaknesses. Rolento's walkspeed very slow and he cracks under pressure
You'd think that yun or rolento neutral would be a scrubby way to play but that stuff works, it just does
6:20 this fucking venom 2S jab???
I click on every sf4 nostalgia vid frame 1. Some things never change
As for sfv, its recent enough for me to look back without rose tinted glasses, final season or two was SO good regardless
All the sf4 cabinets were taken from HEY. Looking like a rough 2025
I really did love SF4 tournament footage, it’s was probably the biggest thing that got me interested in fighting games. But there probably is some rose colored glasses since I didn’t know that much about fighting games back then.
People gotta go back and watch John Choi fr. That man is the pure embodiment of footsies.
Imagine reminiscing about sf4 and not showing a single second of daigo or sako. I could never 🫣
Who got that Snake Eyes clip about the gap between SF4 players and everyone else?
I do think 5 having r mika was a great pick, hoping she comes back for 6 bc her kit was so fun
14:40 Bison roundhouse
IDK what it means that my favorite SF4 matches all-time are Snake Eyez vs Xian at EVO 2014, followed by Pepeday vs Poongko at Canada Cup 2014. Most boring, intense footsies vs the most ballistic disrespectful display of offense.
I feel like the bullshit in sf4 was okay because the damage wasnt crazy, and you had more interactions.
Hahahahaha
@ellachino4799 I'd rather get vortexed 5 times in sf4 than lose 60% for someone shimmying my throw tech *shrug*
In a heat of a match I totally forgot why we were watching it. So hype it was. USFIV had its problems, lots of them, but the amount of diversity in play styles it presented for me overshadows all its flaws. SFV came to it at the end too, but in a more unified ruleset for neutral and through wild vtriggers. SF6 with all the possibilities feels like the most the same of all three. All high tier characters looks like do pretty much the same stuff. And unique chars are kinda left behind. I hope in 3rd 4th year the game will find its course as did its predecessors.
Watching these SF4 sets is so funny, especially Rose. Every Rose player in the world would tell you Rose sucks because drill is punishable, but there's no input buffer so she just gets away with it while invincible backdashing away, having stupid good normals, an incredible fireball game, and ORBS
There were so many dumb characters in sf4 with some insanely hideous gimmicks
Still think the most fun version of the game was SSFIV. And that despite being a Hakan player.
The game just ended up feeling bloated with each iteration after that, not necessarily in terms of characters, but in terms of unnecessary mechanics and tweaks.
Hakan will probably never come back and that makes me sad.
@ At best we’ll probably have to settle for one of his daughters being playable in SF6 using some of his moves, or even his wife with the kids as an install Super.
Basically a more “marketable” Hakan.
But it’s just not the same, man…
@@CrossfacePandawhy they couldnt just give as a t.hawk and guy or zeku is beyond my understanding, Its so wack
This fight was amazing 🤩. It’s the struggle, and tension. And hoping PR Balrog beats this dude.
I miss when stray hits only lead to normals-only combos instead of a complete bnb conversion incl. oki
let's go 09ers, we're so back!
I stopped playing before Ultra but played a ton during Super and AE. I remember the bullshit that was Yun and Yang. I both love and hate SF4, its the game that actually got me to learn fighting games but Jesus Christ it had so much bullshit over the years. I will never understand people who think rollback is "fake" or not a big deal because of SF4. I will take wacky rollbacks over the garbage that was SF4 netcode anytime.
Missing bunch of yun in sf4. That was such a meance in ssf4
Ok, but why do they call him Roll-ento?
Well what else are you gonna do with gen against the best character in the game and one of the best sfiv players at the time?
USF4 could have lasted long enough to polish SF5 had they not added Elena or made her "healing" her Super and not Ultra. Still, no SF game had the hype that USF4 did.
SF6 content drip from Capcom is so slow that creators are revisiting previous installments in the franchise 😂
SF4 was so much more fun than 5 and 6.
6 looks better, and is more fun to play
Was it? Cause I didn't play it because links were obnoxious
It was mid. Fun to watch though.
If 1 frame links didn't exist sf4 would be higher up there. I had more fun in sf4 even if I had no 1 frame link combos but all the cools combos do require the 1 framers
27:13
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I should do a video like this for Little Fighters 2
Are the crowds in this sfiv clip more engaged than they are today, or are the crowds closer to the players in a smaller venue making it seem louder?
Bit of both. I haven't been to major tournaments in a good while now but it's definitely less "buncha dudes in a side room" compared to a decade ago
Super sf4 era was something so special until Ultra ruined the cake 😢
Depth is gone no way to set u apart or figure out stuff no one else is doing it’s like sterilized clean barebones street fighter now
I could go the rest of my life never playing sf5 again and die a happy man.
Fighting games aren’t fun to learn. They’re too many mechanics that interact with each other that you have to deal with all at once. You can’t process everything that’s happening at once so when you lose or win you don’t know what you did right or wrong. The amount of mechanics and how fast they are makes the game fun once you reach a certain point, but in the beginning it doesn’t make sense.
New fighting games in a series suffer this problem. Theoretically there is nothing wrong with drive rush. It’s not “random” but it’s different and it changes the game in so many ways it can be overwhelming. “Skipping neutral” isn’t a bad thing, it’s just something that needs to be accounted for. It’s no different than an opponent choosing one normal over another. Just another possibility to consider. The game is different but not unfair or any less skill full.
Xian is the best evo champ!
he was winning everything
even started playing mvc3
thee only top player using that character
the WNF b4 that evo was epic (xian vs ross in a fn stacked local)
insane run! the goat of goats!
13:01 I can never hear light punch the again 😂
I hopped in sf4 when they made ae free on xbox with a gold membership
On god ive never understood how street fighter works
Lmao I love Rolento, what a dumb character.
Bring him back
4 still has my favorite gameplay even though it’s kinda degenerate and the game itself is definitely fugly
SF 5 is the only streetfighter I skipped over. I even played the ex series.
They need to add c.viper in sf6