Why You Should Join The Stormcloaks | Hardest Decisions in Skyrim | Elder Scrolls Lore
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I joined Ulfric becuase we were execution buddies
Dovahkiin HU3BR his mouth was covered
Pokecrafter135 I'm Imperial but that's fair
Eleonora M. Stop in the name of the jarl you have committed crimes against Skyrim and her people what say you in you defence
I join Ulfric because the imperials decide that the dragonborn should be executed without any cause other than being a part of the group. We weren't on the list, we weren't suspect of anything. AND THAT MILK DRINKER OF A CAPTAIN CALLS TO EXECUTE US SECOND ( FIRST if you don't count the guy who throws himself to the chopping block). >:(
Deppresso Esspresso same bro same. Plus that voice 😍, homies for lifr
Me being a wood elf joining the storm cloaks.
Ulfric: Why join us elf?
Me: I Really REALLY HATE the Thalmore.
Ulfric:......that's fair.
Yes my Bosmeri brother the Thalmor will get theirs, ruined our land and way of life. They will see their fall and hopefully one day Valenwood will flourish once again. Honestly was awesome playing Stprmcloacks as a Wood Elf how they start out questioning you joining them and by the end of it considered as kin.
Oh but ulfrics a super racist right!?
@@therandom_dude technically he is
@@nickpevey2946 wtf did TH-cam delete my previous comment!? Wtf TH-cam!?
@@nickpevey2946 is he? I dont think so.
Sadly for me, joining the stormcloaks comes with one downside. Losing Your own friend sitting in the throne of whiterun, Jarl Balgruuf
Yeah, the other guy doesn't even look like a Nord
yes, but in my opinion Balgruuf was a fool and even a traitor. I mean half of the people of whiterun are pro stormcloaks and he still just ignores them and joins the empire. PS: You can meet him in Solitude if you want to (after the Battle)
Balgruuf is not a good guy my friend 🙃 you should research about him more!
Hm. These comments are interesting
@@amirhosseinkouhestani475 obviously nobody has clean hands
The Imperials think we need their laws. Pffft.
[E]
My cousin, I thought you were out fighting dragons.
@@MarkarthCityGuard Brother? Why do you never visit anymore? This dumb civil war has us busy.
@@lilithoblivion934 I've been thinking the same thing, it's been too long.
seems u guard brothers have forgot about me.
The real solution is:
You, as the Dovahkiin, take Paarthurnax and all dragons you can find (Bend Will shout) to the Imperial City, take over and create the Dovah Empire. Then you fight the Thalmor (or make them flee to their island in terror), undo the Concordat and essentially, recreate the Dragon Cult, but with you in the center, instead of Alduin
Or you all can just accept elven supremacy
you could have mirrak as your loyal servant by using the bend will shout on him
So in your scenario, Aludin wins lol
No, Alduin wanted to destroyed the world, and just that
@Dex4Sure Alduin is death, Alduin is the World Eater, Akatosh is creation and life. If you "became the new Alduin" you couldn't create a new Empire, it'd be your natural coding to destroy and dominate. lol
I'm still disappointed to this day that they didn't make a path where the Dragonborn becomes High King.
Honestly, the Dragonborn should use the legions and nord militias loyal to him/her in Skyrim and just take out the Mede dynasty with the help of the dragons and then unite the human kingdoms under the empire. Crush the thalmor, instigate and support bosmer rebellions in valenwood, attack the argonians to force them back into the swamps, thereby gaining the loyalty of the dark elves, and then go on to reforge Tiber septims empire from the ashes of the Mede dynasty and the dominion
@@jarrodmccurry2294 Fuck yeah. Destroy those goddamn Thalmor.
@@pepethefrog6809Well in lore it is said you can only challenge the throne if you don't use any inborn abilities, so the dragonborn would certainly be counted as one due to his blessing of akatosh (the thuum). I really would've liked to see the dragonborn as the high king, would've carried this war easily.
@@L_Lawliet1907 Would be interesting. Tiber Septim was even an emperor, the first emperor, and he's a dragonborn too.
There's a mod for that
General Tullius, one of the greatest strategists of the Empire.
"I captured Ulfric, better not execute him first, let's execute the random guy that's not on the list, that'll teach him. It's not like anything, like a Dragon, for example, could save him anyway".
Lol seriously
That's what I was wondering as well. only reason I could think of why he didn't is maybe just to make ulfric watch as the people who supported him die one by one before he goes to the block. maybe Tullius was hoping to cripple Ulfric in spirit. so he would truly be defeated both in body and spirit. only thing i could think of other than the Empire were just a bunch of arrogant dumbasses who thought they had all the time in the world.
@@DGDDice Still though killing a random person like the Dragonborn first before Ulfric was just plain stupid
You're only saying this from hindsight, a dragon coming in to save the day is like expecting Sephiroth and Mario with the army of space invaders saving Hitler -- who could have anticipated that?
@@SerendipitousProvidence Anything else could have happenned, point is, Ulfric was the most wanted man in Skyrim at the time and they decided to kill someone that was not on the list, and completely unrelated to the Stormcloaks before the most wanted man. What if a Stormcloak cavalry arrived? What if he somehow managed to get rid of his gag and used his voice? What if another monster arrived (shouldn't be to uncommon in a world like Skyrim's)? At the end of the day, the thinking head of the Imperial Legion decided to keep the most dangerous man alive longer than necessary and he paid the price.
I joined the storm cloaks because they didn't TRY TO CHOP OFF MY FREAKING HEAD!
Im pretty sure they ran out of ideas on how to start skyrim
Doesn't matter who you join, it's bad news for the Thalmor. A Imperial victory would mean the Imperial Legion would get their hands on veteran troops. A Stormcloak victory would mean that a independent state could seek alliances with other provinces, like Black Marsh (who are a independent state as of the events of Skyrim) and Hammerfell (who stopped the Thalmor march and forced to give them back their land by treaty).
Agreed. It's basically the same outcome but different circumstances
But the empire has more troops and resources and there’s no guarantee that the Argonians would want an alliance with the Nords since the Aragonians are isolationists.
J 19 argonians probally would not ally with the nords seen as the xi eel (I think there called) are pretty much in control of black marsh and they are very racist. however hammerfell may as they would share common enemy and high rock is so divided that some states would most likely sympathise with the nords
@Backstreet Boris- Agreed👍.
I also think House Redoran could ally with the Stormcloaks.
The biggest reason I choose Stormcloak is simply because the Empire's "scorched earth" strategy. They don't care about ruining Skyrim or killing it's people. Your character at the beginning could just be passing through but you get roped in because "forget the list, he goes to the block".
It sucks knowing at any moment the Empire/Thalmor can just decide to kill/torture you for no reason.
You seem to ignore the fact that the reason we were imprisoned was for illegally crossing the border. Us being sent to Helgen was a mistake, but not us being put in prison.
@@dutchpatriot17 so we’re beheaded for something so minor not even treason
@@theprotagonist2025 No, we're beheaded because the Captain thought we were a Stormcloak. Which was a mistake.
Also are we gonna ignore the fact that when the dragon attacked Helgen, General Tullius said “get the townsfolk to safety”. So much for not caring about Skyrim or killing it’s people.
@@viscid5279 they need those townsfolk to produce resources for the empire
I sincerely hope we get to send the damned Thalmor to Oblivion in ES6.
I Agree
Elfs Are Also Daedra Worshippers
@@danielfaress9879 Bruh do your research. Aldmeri dominion hate Daedra. Daedra Worship is outlawed on Alinor. They got clapped by Mehrunes forces during the oblivion crisis
@@apomtaylor8054 fair point but do you know the location of sierra leone on a map
Agree if I can get the 6th one
Last Dragonborn: [Approaching Helgen]
Imperial Soldier: "General Tullius, sir! The headsman is waiting!"
Tullius: "Good. Let's get this over with."
Last Dragonborn: [Hears everything clearly]
Last Dragonborn: [Inside Helgen]
Hadvar: "Captain. What should we do? He is not on the list."
Imperial Captain: "Forget the list. He goes to the block."
Last Dragonborn: [FUCK THE IMPERIALS!!]
General Tullius: "I'm sure your being imprisoned was all a terrible misunderstanding."
Last Dragonborn: FUCK.. YOU..!!! 🖕😤🖕 = ☠️☠️☠️
You have no idea just how many people joined the Stormcloaks in retaliation for that whole mess regarding your being sent to the block when you weren't on the list.
Obviously, the intension of the developers, was to clarify to the public in general, that the Septim Empire of now, is no longer the Septim Empire that they once knew. In fact, it does not even have the Septims in charge of the same anymore, because the last descendant of Agnorith Septim, Martin Septim, died to end the Oblivion Crisis, which also caused the aventual return of Alduin, as it had been prophesied centuries before the start of TES 5 & registered in Alduin's Wall.
@@ricardowesker9416 The logo of the main menu, which represents Akatosh, the Dragon God of Time, with the missing tip, also was obviously intentional by the part of the developers, to represent the prophecy said in "TES3: Bloodmoon", which clarifies that when the last member of the Septim Dynasty dies, then "The Third Empire of Cyrodiil" will be doomed to collapse; Something that obviously starts to happen, after Martin's death!
@@hentalface9237 That allegation by the part of "Tullius" is extremely cynical, especially considering the fact, that he was there all the time, watching, and listening in close proximity, to the "Imperial Captain", who decided to execute everyone present by herself, regardless of whether they were members of the Rebel forces or not.
Lokir: He just stole a horse (Sentenced to execution)
Last Dragonborn: He just cross the border (Sentenced to execution)
I honestly join the Stormcloaks because, while yes the Empire also wants to end the Thalmor, the empire is divided with internal strife (see Dark Brotherhood quest) so it wouldn't be hard for the Thalmor to use leaders in Cyridle to turn against the Empire
Meanwhile the Stormcloaks are united under Ulfric, so wouldn't try and fight each other for power, and the Thalmor will have some problems making shady deals with political leaders sence they all HATE Elves.
Not to mention, while yes Ulfric was mulipulated to cause the civil war, he still seeks the end of the Thalmor, and if he has the Dragonborn by his side, then such a power could easily wipe out the Thalmor as Talos did so long ago
The Stormcloaks are a lot weaker than the Imperials. The empire has a larger army so they have a better chance of winning and separatism from the Stormcloaks would only strengthen the Thalmor by weakening its biggest enemy, the EMPIRE.
@@Valencetheshireman927 Now they got two biggest enemy's. Let's see what the Redguards think about duel-wielding these elves to oblivion, ey?
@@Valencetheshireman927 The Imperials being larger is actually a disadvantage, because it is more leverage the Thalmor can use to manipulate and oppress Skyrim. They are already owned by the Thalmor, but the Stormcloaks own themselves.
Hm, valid points. Especially when you do the research required to realize that “Talos” is more than one person or, “god” Talos is actually 3 different people or “gods” 🧠. You actually changed my perspective cheers, brother.
-We Know
@@amanhasnoname2305 I'm glad I could do such a thing friend, and i hope your day goes well.
Also, please don't assassinate me XD
Irish guy dislikes an empire and joins a rebbellion? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
(Tiochfaidh ár lá comrade)
@Sami editor am Scottish haha we are neighbours haha all of us but I still don't like you English 😂 😂 😂
@Sami editor actually would love some tea
The troubles = skyrim civil war?
Welp I’m Anglo-Saxon so we don’t like the Normans
naturally as an irishman you have to join the rebels
Why you should join the Stormcloaks:
1. The Septim Empire is dead since the last Septim heir died.
2. This Mede Empire is not the legacy of Tiber Septim.
3. Who the hell do the Empire think it is, banning a legit God?
4. Why can the Thalmor kill, torture and arrest any Nord they want?
Is the Empire the henchman of the High Elves?
5. Making Maven the Jarl shows how corrupted the Empire is.
6. Giving up Markath is the pussiest thing ever done. Hail Ulfric who freed Markath from madanach!
7. Hammerfell is kicking high Elf ass. Skyrim can do it, too
Well, the imperials are forced into a treaty, a treaty that will be ended soon as a new war with the dominion is on the horizon. A war everyone needs to assist in. Starting an internal rebellion might be the worst thing you can do if you don't like the Altmeri Dominion.
If independent skyrim joins the fight with the dominion, you just wasted a ton of men of Skyrim for nothing. Nothing but a few extra years of free talos worship and no Altmeri forces in the nation before the war starts.
If this war is lost without skyrim involvement, wich it is more likely to be lost, skyrim is next to go, with fewer allies now.
If the war is won, I see no reason in the rebellion, as all will become to normal again. The only real enimy of the empire would be Argonia, and Akavir, a continent with forces so powerfull, a united Tamriel is needed to fend them of, maby Argonia too perhaps, you never know with those Hists. But Argonia would be the only nation that probiably wouldn't be willing to join the empire again, maby summerset too, but that depends on how much the war was won.
If Ulfric really wanted to show those high elves what's up, don't rise up the the puppet, but to the pupper Master. Round up some men, get on a boat, go to Summerset, and slash some Elf steaks. Aspecialy when the puppet is willing to, and able to, and likely to, rise up to the puppetmaster.
@@-gemberkoekje-5547 The Empire will not win against the Aldmeri Dominion in their current state, with Skyrim or without. They lost Hammerfell, a province that supplied some of the best fighting men, and Nords are all that is left when it comes to warrior races in the empire. I don't think Nords should bleed for a shitty empire that trampled their rights and watched neutrally as people were bent to the Thalmor's whims. Hell, I wouldn't want Skyrim to remain Imperial even if Thalmor was for some reason out of the picture.
Technically the Empire only banned Talos worship after the Civil War broke out it was more suppression of a Rebellion move. The Romans did the same thing to put down rebellions
@deakon - You’re forgetting about the warrior race known as the ORC . The Nords aren’t the only race left in the empire !
Hammerfell only fought off the Dominion because there armies were weaken due to the war.
I usually lean Stormcloak. The Stormcloaks and the Empire both recognize the Thalmor as the true enemy, and I believe that should Skyrim win its independence then they would fight alongside the Empire against the Aldmeri Dominion. The civil war isn't out of hate for the Empire, but just freeing themselves of their rule. And I see the suppressing of a religion, especially one as hard-coded and real as Talos, a just cause for war. A unified Skyrim, a unified Hammerfell, and the Empire against the Aldmeri Dominion is how I see the conflict progressing after the civil war. Of course, this is just my view, who knows what would really happen.
If Ulfric had simply talked to Torryg about declaring independence from the Empire, he probably would’ve done it. Its been said that Torryg actually looked up to Ulfric. Skyrim could’ve been free from Imperial rule without bloodshed.
@@jerodbrown7339 Yet the dumbass just had to use his shout for such a shitty act against one who couldn't use it. That part I agree on that duel wasn't on fair grounds. So the guy that let Ulfric escape deserved his punishment and tried to lie saying it was a fair duel. BS now if it was against the Dragon born or another shout user then yes it would be fair
@@notavailable8201 there is nothing that say that you can’t use the voice in a duel
@@notavailable8201 technically while maybe dishonorable Ulfric using his thuum or shout wasn't actually against the rules because he trained, practiced, and honed it for decades Skyrim law dictates that you can't use an inborn gift in a duel for the crown you can only use skills you have trained in so yes his claim to the throne is legit, but i believe a stormcloak victory would be bad for skyrim so i always side with the empire
@@lydiadiangelo2588 Same but also to watch Ulfric squirm like a bitch against someone stronger in the way of the voice make him feel what the High King felt Ulfric was still a idiot that boy looked up to him and would of listened to what he had to say if he actually spoke to him like a real leader would
#M'aiqIsTheTrueHighKing
Emiloo M'aiq hears many stories of war... yet few of them are true.
Now this, I can agree with
M’aiq the Liar I love you
Yes
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General Tulius Armour is one of the strongest and versatile armours out there (it doesn't even interfere with mage armour perks) and it matches the Konahrik mask perfectly. There is only one way to get it legally, so yeah, I do approve of this video.
Daud, Killer of the Empress
But it’s not as epic as killing him for that sweet armor.
@Marcus Antonius It doesn't interfere with the Alteration perks unless you have the Unofficial Patch installed.
I wish there was more to the civil war questline. Id love to see my character march through a field of thalmor cutting them down!
I loved the empire as much as anyone, but they are gone. They died along time ago. Its time to cut off the head of the false empire and the thalmor
agreed it died at Red Mountain form me
the Empire died with Martin
@Commander M117- The empire is not responsible for what happened at Red mountain ! Secondly, the empire ISN’T DEAD!
Obeying the white-gold concordat is only temporary. Soon the second Great War will emerge and the empire will be victorious!
J 19 yeah but let skyrim be independent. There are benefits. Skyrim can trade with the empire, fight along with the empire, skyrim would be rebuilt, nords can revere Talos in peace, and probably the Nordic pantheon like Shor, Orkey, Mara, Kyne, Ysmir (Talos), Tsun, Stuhn, Dibella, Alduin, Jhunal, and Magnar. Also Skyrim will Economically grow by trading with the Empire when it’s independent.
I joined the Stormcloaks because I'm still salty about the Imperials trying to execute me for no reason.
(Not to mention Ulfric is daddy)
I feel kinda bad though because Hadvar is a cutie.
That was just one imperial captain not the empire as a whole . It’s not like the emperor ordered it .
@@Valencetheshireman927 tullius did
@@jesuschrist6409 No he didn’t. It was the imperial captain. Tullius was preoccupied with the Thalmor.
@@Valencetheshireman927 general tullies was literally right there lecturing Ulfric and watching the dragonborn be executed
@@williambrennan1658 Because he didn’t want to waste time, he rushed the execution and just let the captain deal with it. Also, they Dragonborn was suspiciously caught in the middle of an ambush with some Stormcloaks.
you were supposed to pick a side??? i always kill them all...
Dusty Black for real the dragonborn doesn't need friends or people to care for him
Yam God listen, we can make sure we waste time typing extra shit when you know well and good that nothing was meant by it, or you can shut the fuck up and save me the effort of scolding you like the child you are.
Dusty Black but ulfric is brainwashed by the elves and they are using him to weaken Skyrim so they can take over
Dusty Black 😅😅😅 yes I to
ralof:you should join the stormcloak
me:im the dragonborn. how about i ignore allyou fuckers and if either of you get in my way, ill yell at you. these words hurt, a lot.
Skyrim belongs to the khajiits. Actually, all Tamriel belongs to the khajiits.
Imagine the world leaded by funny cats drugged with skooma, perfect. No wars, no conflicts, just skooma and the best prices for everyone.
Seems gud
You high?
@@alixxx4798 On skooma ? Yeah, but don't tell the guards please. Here, take some for you too.
May your roads leads you to warm sands.
Im good on getting my throat slit by a furry for a couple septims.
Cats constantly fight for teritory. Imagine drugged up humanoid cats fighting for heroin distribution rights....
I love how you do your home work and cover all sides, in this one you give solid points on why to join the stormcloaks, in another you give awesome solid points on why to join the Imperials. In the end it is up to the individual player on what to deside but the understanding of the whole story for any subject is the most important to be able to choose the best choice and make the best decisions. Awesome job with your channel my friend, one of the best that I have seen for sure 😊 keep up the awesome work 😊
Finally people that like the Stormcloaks more than the Imperials
I wish Balgruuf was at least left to reign Whiterun
@@TheLatiosnlatias02 yeah the other guy looks kinda... not nordic...
@@booqueefious2230
What do you think that guy looked like?
@@TheLatiosnlatias02 old
@@TheLatiosnlatias02 Looks like a redguard lol
I don't think the empire can ever "win", because the roots of Skyrim's anger are deeper than just one rebellion. Being forced into a war to preserve some distant, dying empire's geopolitical position only to be rewarded with crippling debt, kneecapped independence and the very same enemies being *allowed* in to murder and torture all those who worship a time-honored god will *never, ever* end in anything else but an _unending season_ of rebellion, as they say. The only way to make the nords stop fighting for that is to break their spirit and their identity altogether. So the empire has 2 choices: lose skyrim forever, even draining massive resources to keep it pacified indefinitely, or leave quickly, which would be a bad thing for the Thalmor according to they themselves.
I may be a kahjiit but 100% FOR SKYRIM
Rule of Acquisition 34. War is good for business
@@7thBatallion rule 34? :o
@@chodibarakuda4840 close, but not quite
I started out not liking Ulfric, but by the end of the Civil War questline, he was one of my favorite NPC’s, so was Gunmar Stone Fist.
Gunmar Stone Fist?
Are you sure you didn't mean Galmar Stone-Fist?
@@morswestford2398 Shut up you fucking nerd
@@morswestford2398
Yes he meant Galmar
@@ZaveAres you didn’t have to be rude :/
@@gamerprox3731 lmaooo
I'm with the Stormcloaks on this one when an Empire has failed you you have no choice but to secede their outcry is Justified take away their religion and way of life anyone would feel threatened a little bit of a rebel myself so I could totally understand why
The ban on Talos isn’t permanent it will only continue until the next Great War . The empire isn’t broken not unless more secessionists decide they want out and would rather live under the Thalmor ( Until the Thalmor destroy Mundus to become immortal again ) .
Zero chance the storm cloaks don’t rule with the same iron fist
@@Valencetheshireman927 Empire loses the next great war for sure. Hammerfell + Skyrim alliance could defeat the empire because they're both mad they were sold out to the thalmor
@@apomtaylor8054 The empire is the largest fighting force and has the best chance of beating the Thalmor. How can a disparate alliance of Hammerfell and a weakened Skyrim just after a civil war hope to beat them?
@@Valencetheshireman927 you don't understand that Hammerfell + Skyrim alliance would completely break the empire. Especially after already taking massive L against the Aldmeri Dominion and losing coward Emperor during brootherhood quest. Skyrim and Hammerfell successfully rebelling would cut off high rock from the Empire... You know what maybe I'm wrong. I think the Aldmeri Dominion would win either way. Tamriel is doomed
I like these more serious topics Irish! However, I have to respectfully disagree. Although I agree with Ulfric's ideals on Talos and the Thalmor, I believe the Empire should win the war. General Tullius hints that he knows that the Thalmor are planning another war, and thus he and the Empire may already be preparing. And when you kill General Tullius if you join the Stormcloaks, he states this is what they (the Thalmor) want. They want the Empire to focus it's resources and manpower on the civil war, making it easier for them to effectively take over. The civil war also benefits the Aldemari Dominion by having two of it's enemies kill eachother off. This point is further proven when you read the Thalmor's dossier on Ulfric, referring to him as an asset, who is unintentionally aiding them. This is also the reason why General Tullius could only enlist men within Skyrim, as if he pulled troops from Cyrodiil, it would weaken the Empires defences. A popular argument for why the Stormcloaks could beat the Thalmor is that Hammerfell did. But Hammerfell only won because of the had the advantage of fighting on their own land, as well as lack of the Thalmor's reinforcements. And they haven't brought the fight to the Thalmor since. They've only stayed independent with no further conflict. This is probably due to the Redguards knowing that they, as a single nation, cannot defeat the Aldemari Dominion. The same could be said for Skyrim. The final point I want for make is who would have a greater chance of defeating the Thalmor in the next Great War? A single militia in one nation, or a a highly organized military with multiple nations supporting it.
Should the Thalmor start a new war, old enemies in Cyrodil and Skyrim can easily become new allies. Add in the other provinces, promise the Dunmer land holdings in captured territory in exchange for an alliance (something any side would be stupid not to do) and you could challenge the Dominion.
on the stormcloaks their is ulfric as well who killed the high king with his voice implying he is able to shout also he spent time with the graybeards to learn the way of the voice so technically there are two people with the power to use dragon shouts. Also the dragonborn could get a army of dragons to fight because of the bend will shout. He could also get different factions eg dark brotherhood to join
Muhummad Smith its
The empire is falling apart. That's the sad truth. They would not win another war against the dominion. Skyrim alone doesn't stand a chance either. The whole situation will play into the dominion favor anyway it goes sadly. The only hope is to destroy the empire and build another faster than the dominion could react. Which is rough at best.
Randy Slobojan neither would the storm cloaks. If they win, everyone else is doomed.
SUI: You should kill Ulfric Stormcloak
Also SUI: the Stormcloaks are right.
Me: something's screwy here
Kachu it’s all M’aiq on skooma
Kachu “perfectly balanced. As everything should be”
Views. He wanted both views from both sides
I played this game through 63 times (amounting to a grand total of over 1 year of my life entirely spent on playing Skyrim) and every time (except for once) did I choose to side with the stormcloaks.
I do, however, highly respect Tullius.
*_"It has always been my ideal in war to eliminate all feelings of hatred and to treat my enemy as an enemy only in battle, and to honour him as a man according to his courage."_* -Ernst Jünger
that's because you are braindead pog
I ALWAYS side with the Stormcloak. Agreed
Are you stupid or a racist...?
Both sides are racist and religionists. The Empire was going to kill me for nothing. Fuck the Empire.
I understand your point of view and it’s natural for you to join the stormcloaks. But it’s much better for Skyrim if the imperials win. Skyrim is a fairly weak province and vulnerable without the empire. I like Nords, I main them but they’re not as smart as the imperials strategically. Also Ulfric is a snake. Torygg accepted the duel so he could go to Sovngarde. Ulfric knew this and took advantage of it.
@@aydeps5057 Aye. You may be right about that but you aren't considering the dragonborn. Think about it, two users of the voice on the same side
Brixen Chright You’re right, the Dragonborn will definitely make an impact. But regardless, if the Dragonborn stands with the bigger side then the odds of defeating the Aldmeri Dominion are much higher.
Besides, yeah Ulfric knows the way of the voice but you can’t really compare him to the Dragonborn, given that he only knows Unrelenting force and disarm whilst the Dragonborn can summon two dragons. Even if he can use the voice he still got himself captured by the empire like we see at the start of the game.
Something I noticed that was kind of interesting is that the Storm-cloaks were oddly Scottish. I mean the term milk drinker originates from Scotland, the Skyrim Civil war kind of has some parallels with the Jacobite uprisings, especially in how they refer to Ulfric as the True High King of Skyrim.
all hail the stormcloaks, the true sons and daughters of skyrim! i swear unconditional loyalty to ulfric stormcloak, true high king of skyrim
How to weaken the empire:become listener of the dark brotherhood and kill the emperor 2:get a giant bounty in haafingar by killing so much imperial soldiers 3: steal their tactic books 4:install a mod to kill essentials to kill tullius or elisif 5:just kill them with console commands and mods
Kill NPCs with console commands or mods can easily break game quests and would also never be relevant as canonical events.
Long live the empire!!
@High King Ulfric Stormcloak - Jarl of Windhelm Indeed ! The true sons and daughters of Skyrim who know the empire is best for Skyrim .😁
Yes Hail Ulfric! Nords are true and only race of Skyrim. No Argonians, Khajits, Elves, Imperials, Bretons or Redguards can take away our true traditions. I played as a pure Nord and have made myself a Nord family to keep the Nordic legacy. Maybe Ulfric aren’t the most welcome of foreigners but hey at least his honest xD
Ulfric: * offers Riften for Markarth *
Tullius: “You just came here to further your own gain!”
Also Tullius: * tries to shakedown Ulfric for Winterhold and money *
In a neural peace council it's Ulfric throwing the tantrum.
The thing is Ulfric didn’t offer Riften at first… The dragonborn suggested it, and it’s not even Tullius who says that line, it’s Elisif… Get your facts right at least.
@@dutchpatriot17 tantrum is such a boomer word.
@@gravesidepoet5405 Stay mad.
I join the Stormcloaks for one major reason - they can offer me something that the Empire, with all its power and wealth, cannot offer: knowledge that the Thalmor can't just knock on my family's door and arrest them while I am out adventuring. Seriously, I felt a great deal of relief when I returned to Skyrim after the end of my Beyond Skyrim Bruma campaign because I could breathe the free air again (play Bruma to know what I mean). That poor guard captain :(
This is by no means a perfect choice as an independent Skyrim would need to basically build a new government from the ground up and could be vulnerable in such a period. We can't keep using Imperial Septims so we will need a new minted currency - the list goes on. And of course, a Rebel Dragonborn is probably not welcome in Imperial Territory, so no going to the Imperial City and staying at the Tiber Septim Hotel (you will be able to in Beyond Skyrim but it makes no sense).
But to my mind, everything that one could hold against Ulfric and his Stormcloaks, such as their bigotry, are not necessarily reasons to support the Empire. Why? Because the Empire was never interested in dealing with such problems to begin with. See aftermath of the Great Collapse in Winterhold 80 years ago - that was when the Empire was in control. Where were they then? Did Imperial Legionnaires step in to stop the Dunmer from being driven from their homes by angry Nords? No. Brunwulf Free-Winter as Jarl of Windhelm is a coincidence, sheer happenstance - it is not Imperial policy.
And the fact that the Empire stops the Thalmor from invading Skyrim is not really all that much a point in their favor. They will still stop the Thalmor from crossing an army into Skyrim even if Skyrim becomes independent. That's why Ulfric is concerned with the Thalmor turning an eye to Skyrim's shores - he foresees an invasion by sea and not land.
In the end, a Dragonborn committed to preparing Skyrim for the next Great War would have his or her work cut-out either way. But at least with the Stormcloaks ascendant we don't have to worry about the Thalmor nosing around.
You also get a better political standing working with Ulfric. As a Stormcloak I basically end up the Champion of a High King, while as an Imperial I am just another soldier who never even meets his Emperor (unless I kill him). Ulfric practically regards you as kin, no matter your race. True, he does this because you are Dragonborn and he doesn't want you going Lü Bu on him, but I can dig it.
Lastly, this question of whether to stay in the Empire or leave was already answered 25 years earlier by the Redguards. Last I checked, the resistance to the Thalmor is alive and well in Hammerfall. And the Dunmer of Morrowind couldn't care less about the Empire. Far from being indispensable, the Empire has shown itself apathetic at best to the needs of its allies and people. In Morrowind the Imperial allies of House Hlaalu were downgraded, and I am sure the Forebears of Hammerfall are having buyer's remorse. An Empire that cannot protect its political allies can best be described as such: Doomed.
The empire isn’t doomed and is th best hope for Tamriel because only a unified opposition is capable of defeating the Thalmor . So creating an independent Skyrim only aids the Thalmor .
Saying an Independent Skyrim is better for fighting against the Dominion is like saying Texas can fight off all of China....
ZoomerX24 Hey, if a few British colonists who were typical working class could do it in the 18th century, Skyrim is in good hands with the stormcloaks
This is the most insightful argument i've seen to this day
@@maiqtheliar446 Thank you, it's certainly some testament to Skyrim's longevity that we still discuss this topic across the internet to this day.
However, Bethesda crafted a flawed story when they established the current status quo in the Elder Scrolls universe as of Skyrim. No nation, save one utterly defeated and occupied, would have transferred actual police powers to a foreign state as the Empire did with the Concordant. And a "Peace" lasting 25 years with all this is mind boggling and not based on historical happenings (it was 23 years between the 1st & 2nd Punic Wars under more favorable terms for Carthage).
I hate that, despite the myriad flaws built into the Empire, Bethesda clearly played favorites with it as a faction. The best leaders Jarl Balgruuf supports the Empire, and seeing them removed by force never sat well with me. They also have the only field commander with any substance, a High Elf who hates the Thalmor and tells you about their crimes.
I don't know if I'll side with the Stormcloaks in a later playthrough, as I find that lore-wise it limits the amount of things I should be able to do in later mods (visit Cyrodil etc.). But I would only side with the Empire for purely selfish reasons, such as getting to live in a fixed-up Solitude. But my prior reasons for the Stormcloaks are still there...
You know I love how even years after skyrim was first released we are still having debates on things like this in comment sections and other places. Shows how much is lore is there for us to debate for one side or the other.
To bad Bethesda will most likely drop the ball with ES6, if how they handled fallout 76 is anything to go by.
You know game is good, when even after a decade, we continue to discuss and debate about it.
It’s kinda weird that my character is a dark elf and joined up the rebellion but many dark elves actually hated the rebellion except for my character🤷🏻♂️
Well at the end of the day, Ulfric and all of the Stormcloaks would respected you even though you are not a nord
Only because you survived Helgen and were the Dragonborn, otherwise he'd toss you into the slum.
The empire wants all dark elves to be isolated on solsthiem
Btw
Rin Okumura but that’s not what I meant actually
Its none of my business anyway sorry
There are MANY reasons why you should join with the Imperials instead, but only one of them truly matters. You get Ulfric's pimp-ass clothes when you kill him ;)
HORRIOR You can use mods to get his clothes. Join the Dragonborn side and defeat the Thalmor Empire or something yourself.
Well... Tulius' armor is pimp ass too so... Hmmm.
shut
That is what mods are for my friend!
NorthernDragon Form your own army of housecarls and fight against both sides
Sorry about the mic, I recorded this couple of weeks ago and my mic is getting old. Once my monitor and desk come in, gonna start the quest for getting a new microphone because I want you to hear my luscious voice :') also I know the empire are probably better, point of this video is to make an argument from one side so before you got telling me what a waste I am for not choosing the empire just know that its only a video game at the end of the day :') #maiqisinthisvideo #oof
Yeah I did first like the imperials but now I like stormcloaks they're my type of people
StraightUpIrish ur a silly goose
GrenTriz 560 exactly!!!
StraightUpIrish I see what you are saying brother but ulfric is a brainwashed puppet being used by the elves to take over Skyrim the empire is the only reason the elves are not in Skyrim I'm not saying the empire is perfect but they are doing there best and I don't think the stormclokes could win because most of them hate anyone who is not a Nord while the empire has all sorts of people in it including Nord they are more diverse and that alone working together I think could over come the clokes. on another note I don't take sides on the civil war due to the fact my favorite character is the khajiit but I do have 1 of each character that I can play and have made it pretty far on each of them keep up the good work brother I can't wait to see more videos
You forgot to mention *why* the Thalmor wants to ban Talos worship. Gods are real in the Elder scrolls series, and holds real power. Without worshippers, their power is weakened. The endgoal of the Aldmeri dominion is to erase humankind from existence using the time magic from the Elder Scrolls, and to do this they must weaken Talos first, because he is the protector of humankind. And the Aldmeri dominion wishes to destroy humankind to destroy Talos. Because the idea of a human ascending to godhood is an affront to the high elves who sees themselves as descendants of the gods.
I joined stormcloaks because my Character wants to rule. Using the Stormcloaks to get rid of the pesky empire rule is the 1st logical step.
I’d hate to break this to your character but he chose to rule the province of Skyrim over the ENTIRE empire . ( Skyrim, High Rock and Cyrodiil)
By words of Galmar Stone-Fist "I will not live as a slave, nor will I die as one!", that's all I need to say on my reasons why I joined Stormcloaks agains that corrupted Empire
You have to support Ulfric if you are an anti-imperialist. The Empire chooses the king of Skyrim instead of the Jarls of Skyrim doing it themselves, that is why there is so much danger and deprivation in Skyrim. And half of the Jarls are corrupt and do not fight bandits or care for their people, they seize their property and collect payments from them to pay off massive and unfair debts to the Empire. They repress the religion of their people and allow the Imperials to set about their own laws of capital punishment, conscription and special treatment in Skyrim. There is talk of the Nords being racist against Elves (even though Windhelm is the only city in Skyrim that offers a refuge for Dark Elves and they have equal rights in the city.) But what about the racial supremacy of the Thalmor over the Nords? That is the real racism in the scheme, the Thalmor stir up reactionary hatred of other races in Skyrim by settling massive groups of people there who conflict with the Nords. People say Ulfric only lusts after power when his only goal was to become a Greybeard before the people called upon him to be their Jarl. He despises war, having been a veteran in the Imperial Legions, he does not wish for any more Nords to die in the wars of expansion and conquest of the Empire. He wants to care for the orphans and widows left behind by those imperialist wars. Ulfric wants to put popularly supported Jarls back in the Marches who will select a High King the people by default, favor, not a king chosen FOR them by the Thalmor. This and more are why the Stormcloaks must be supported
Evan Nesbitt I agree with some of your points be disagree with many. I think my biggest disagreement is with what you think of Ulfric, I strongly believe he wanted the power. This all started because he wanted to be the high king, and we know how that ended up. The high king (I cant remember his name) was the heir to the throne because he was the son of the previous high king, however, a moot was still put in process to make sure all the jarls agreed that he should be the high king, and they did, they all agreed, including Ulfric at the time. Ulfric knew that the only way for him to be in power is to challenge the high king on a duel, which he had to accept (being a nord that wants to get to sovrngarde), and Ulfric knew he wasn’t a warrior, he knew he wouldn’t stand a chance against the fearsome warrior that Ulfric is. So Ulfric goes into the duel, USES THE THU’UM (WHICH THE GRAYBEARDS ARE ABSOLUTELY AGAINST), and kills the high king, which in normal conditions yes that would be the end of that and Ulfric becomes the high king. So why did he run away? Because he knew what he did was not right, he knew that everyone would accuse him of murder instead of crowning him. Again, if he disagreed with simply him (the high king that I can’t remember the name of), he would have said so during the moot, but because HE wanted to be the high king and knew he wasn’t going to get elected. For me, what really crosses the line is the fact the the high king respected Ulfric, he admired him, he knew Ulfric was a war hero, and even the solitude court wizard said that if Ulfric simply told him start a revolt against the empire, he would have done it.
@@TheLoneStreamer Of all his mad moves that was Ulfric's maddest. But, if I remember rightly from in-game dialogue (& this is confirmed by the Fandom wiki article on Ulfric) he did it primarily to show how weak Skyrim had become under Imperial rule.
To be honest things aren't any different at the Blue Palace today. You can still march in there with no introduction & shout at High King Torygg's widow, Elisif. Imperial security is weak!
@@tupacshinji605 You can do the same with Ulfric, or anyone else!
@Evan Nesbitt - The moot chooses the high king !! If you haven’t worked that out the you haven’t really been paying attention have you ?🤦♂️Elisif is the candidate put forward by the empire whereas Ulfric is the Stormcloak candidate. If the Imperials win there’s pro-Imperial Jarls and of the Stormcloaks win vice versa .
Ulfric killed the high king to send a message to the other Jarls he even says so on the game when you first meet him in Windhelm!
I join Ulfric Stormcloak as the vengeance of Talos against a false empire of blasphemous thalmor puppets that rejects the very one who built the empire in the first place. Also, the thalmor and empire reject Talos as divine, although during the Oblivion crisis it was proven otherwise when Martin used the blood of Tiber Septim (Talos) as the blood of a divine needed to open the portal to Mancar Cameron's paradise. So I bring vengeance on all those who rejected Talos, as his Champion!
you are cringe asf
I'm glad you made this video!
I joined the Stormcloaks because I have some reasons here is why I join Ulfric's cause
1. They have more of a plan to take Skyrim and rule it independently
2. Ulfric gives a better plan of what needs to be done and knows what needs to be done
3rd and final reason. The Stormcloaks are more willing to take the cause and fighting for what they believe in
Everyone: words can’t hurt you
The dovahkiin: Hold my hunningbrew mead
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍👍
DAMN FAITHLESS IMPERIALS
Stromcloaks for the life.
yup they abandon there only god in the nine so they deserve no mercy they let my homeland burn and i served for 100 years for them
FOR THE EMPIRE !!
@Commander M 117-They didn’t let your homeland burn it was independent by the time Red mountain erupted . The fact that you once served in the empire makes you a traitor to the ideals you once fought for and the nation you once defended.
Stormcloak Supporters:
You should join the Stormcloaks because the Aldmeri Dominion is wrong, so blame the Imperials
Spot on!
The reason I choose the stormcloaks isn't because I like ulfric, but because the empire can never beat the thalmor. Before the great war the empire was already in shambles due to the poor leadership. Oh and fun fact the empire actually won the great war, but the emporer surrendered because lets face it he is a massive pussy. The empire isn't salvaging it's strength to fight the thalmor, they are clearly thalmor puppets. I mean come on, they let thalmor agents roudmnd up and arrest, and execute their own citizens. The empire has already given up, but just because the thalmor beat the empire doesn't mean that they can beat anyone, hammerfel was able to hold its own against the thalmor, so it isn't outlandish to think that Skyrim can't, especially when Skyrim has the dawngaurd and dragons. And while the dragons aren't exactly friendly to the nerds, they will be equally as hostile to the thalmor. My final argument is this, which would you rather live in, an empire that allows it citizens to be abducted and tortured by a foreign power and does nothing, or would you rather live under ulfric who will at least protect his citizens.
Blame the imperials BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE THALMER
Jordan Bauman-Putnam >Says the empire won
>Says the empire lost
Make up your mind. And the Redguards were completely decimated after a 5 year war with a force smaller than the one in Cyrodiil
imperial supporters:
I waste way to much of my life in games and do history projects on both sides
Great vid. I sided with Stormcloaks and had them take over Markarth. question: After this happened, I discovered a locked war room with Thalmo agents in it. I opened it and they were not hostile towards me.
skyrim and stormcloaks have their problems, but as a Finn, I'm almost forced to take their side, taking into account the history of my own country (Finland was part of the Russian Empire... then they tried to Russianize Finland... etc) Being under the Empire is nice for so long, until that same Empire starts to think that everyone should be the same in that area... In the name of Skyrim I fight. let Ulfric's blue bear banner fly. and even though I've only played with the Nords once. Skyrim is my home! whether I played Argonians or Dunmer, I'm a child of Skyrim.
Same, it just feels wrong to side with the empire.
Good luck helping the thalmor weaken the empire and eventually doom humanity.
See how long that “child of Skyrim” bull last when the boots of the aldmeri dominion march on your soil staffs in hand thirsty for nordic blood, cause there is no way the stormcloaks would defeat Alone, they lack the intelligence and power.
@@LoopyLemon775After reading you comments, I’ve decided I’m going with the Stormcloaks. You’re cocky, arrogant and speak like a child. Plus, with the HOURS of research I’ve don’t on the two factions, the VAAAAAAAAST majority have said the Stormcloaks aren’t really racist and are knowing lied about. It like when the libs willingness and knowingly lie about the right. The libs know they’re racist but call the patriotic right all the “phobics” or “ist” they can throw out so thank you for helping me make the right decision 😊
True men go Stormcloack, boys go Empire. This is known.
LordCommanderJeppew u mean true warriors go to the empire, little boys who are upset they can’t get what they want go to the stormcloaks😂😂😂
@@thelambsauce7307 people who like a dead leader go empire people who want to stand a chance go stormcloak.
Or did you forget the empires emperor dies?
Atalanta does that really matter, I mean Ulfrics dead 😂 I took his head off myself and threw it around 😂🖕
we are men, manly men
White Crack call us little boys when you use laughing emojies at the end of your sentences to something that isent even the slightest bit funny
I remember the glory of the Septim dynasty one that I the last Dragonborn am the rightful heir to.
And also, Skyrim is in a very strategic position when it comes to defence. The border of Skyrim and Cyrrodill is very mountainous, so any invasion by the Imperials/Thalmor via the border would be ambushed and defeated swiftly (the same can be said if the Imperials invade via High Rock, which alone is unlikely), and on Skyrim's right side is an already independent province (Morrowind), so the safest way the Imperials or Thalmor could invade is via Skyrim's northern shore, which would take ages to ship troops there and longer still for reinforcements.
Skyrim has been conquered easily before by land invasion. So I'm pretty sure the Empire and the Dominion could do it quite easily.
@@benyosefdrak2686 Good point
@@Cheesesteaks4Life98 what about it?
@@Cheesesteaks4Life98 I know but I'm saying even if the Nords didn't join Tiber Septim still would have conquered them.
The reason that you aren't given a fair trial at the beginning of the game is first of that legate's choice. She chose that you had to be executed. Second, general Tullius wanted it done as soon as possible. You can see Tullius talking to Elenwen and she wants Ulfric to be taken to the Imperial city so that one of her spies can free Ulfric on the way to Cyrodiil and then the war will be right where it started. Also, rhe Thalmor supply the Stormcloaks with weapons.
Actually at the beginning of the game, it's never stated whether or not you actually committed a crime. So if it's deemed worthy of sending you to the chopping block, then it's up to what you're roleplaying your character as that determines whether you deserve it.
the imperials just feel so authoritarian, you know?
@μπαρμπα Χάμος i mean they basically outlawing a religion rooted on the land they are currently residing.
That sets a dangerous precedent and is authoritarian as it gets.
People often ask me why I choose them. The logic behind my reasoning is very simple:
1: The Stormcloaks have cooler armor.
2: The Imperials tried to execute me.
3: Citizens of Skyrim are not allowed to worship Talos.
The fact that there’s such a intricate debate over which side is better is truly a testament to how brilliantly written this game and is. As is often the case in real wars, there truly is no winning. If you side with the Empire, you’re bending your knee to the Thalmor and letting elves rule over the home of the Nords, and letting the corrupt Maven Black Briar become Jarl of Riften. If you side with the Stormcloaks, you betray Jarl Balgruuf, someone who you’ve seen is a good and honorable man, and run his city Whiterun, a warm and welcoming community into the ground. When I first did a Stormcloak play through, I truly felt miserable during the Battle for Whiterun.
Have to disagree. Both sides of the civil war are shit. You either get to be a Thalmor puppet killing natives because they dare believe a human could be a divine, or you get to join highly xenophobic nationalist group who only wants to free Skyrim instead of freeing the entire Empire. Either side should have had the ability to rise in the ranks and take over as the leader of the faction, challenge the leader of the opposing faction, and by winning unite the two factions, then face off against the actual threat and cause of the civil war: The Thalmor. Why that's not an option I'll never understand.
That and the fact the stormcloaks are contributing to the thalmor by weakening the empire.
Last I read the Markath Incident involved the Jarl of Markarth promising Talos worship to be allowed within the city if Ulfric freed the city for him. The Empire only came into the picture when the Thalmor found out and forced them to crack down on Ulfric.
Role-Playing Ginger actually the empire promised the birds tales worship
I'm afraid not, it was Jarl Hrolfdir, Igmund's father, who promised worship of Talos, not the Empire.
Jarl of Markarth: "Ok you can worship Talos, but be quiet about it like everyone else"
Ulfric and his thugs: "WHY DO I HAVE TO BE QUIET I LOVE TALOS! TALOS MY MAN, WOOOOOOH!"
Thalmor: "Well well well"
Greg M. Pastur
>After stormcloaks invaded Markath
Galmar: "Not so fast elf!"
Ondolemar: "I assume you are talking to me?"
Galmar: "On your knees."
Ondolemar: >Does nothing
Galmar: "I SAID ON YOUR KNEES!"
Ondolemar: "Enjoy this while you can, Soon you will all be slaves"
Galmar: RAGH >kills ondolemar and then said: "Someone get this thing out of here and burn it"
This Is an Overrated Image Oh good point. I am convinced
Ondolemar is right btw. With the stormcloaks weakening the empire like this Id be surprised if Tamriel didnt return to the good ol days, when there was no empire and humans were all slaves
It's an easy decision, stormcloak life
IMPERIAL DOG
Simple decisions for simple minds, I guess. If all people see is "empires are evul and they tryed to kill me" no wonder they will join the stormcloaks
From game is clear that empire is pathetic and only hope for men is human alliance of Skyrim, High rock and Hammerfell.
Corrupted empires and their corrupted leaders always fall.
Im pretty sure that applies to corrupt rebellions with corrupt rebel leaders as well, but Ill humor you with a reply
Empire is pathetic but is nevertheless holding off the stormcloaks with a SINGLE legion, and actually captured Ulfric (after he shamelessly surrendered) at the start of the game. Talk about pathetic
The only hope for men is an alliance of the human races, then. Almost like thats exactly what the Empire is. Or was, originally, before said alliance with Cyrodiil at the helm conquered and annexed the elven and beast provinces. Without the Imperials, famed diplomats and leaders, that just wont happen. Bretons are loyal so far and I want to believe neither them or the redguards will be stupid enough to deal with lowlifes such as you people
If the Empire falls, its because the elves are playing with you all. And they will win. And humanity will suffer. So thanks for that
Greg M. Pastur Did the imperials ever thought about the innocent talos worshippers the thalmors slaughtered? Hell no. And if its because "They didn't have a choice" Then that explains why they are weak.
This does put a smile on my face
I am conflicted, I join different sides on different playthroughs, because sometimes, I think the septim empire still has hope, other times I think people should be actively resisting the thalmor, but one thing I like about ulfric is how his speechs seem to give hope, like how he explains his reasoning for why he ifghts, and after taking over solitude he says, "the thalmor may have defeated the empire, but they have not defeated Skyrim"
Remember in the Oblivion Crisis when the Argonians invaded Oblivion? Yeah. Motherfuckin’ chads.
They had a good reason
You've got good content and present it in a mostly professional way, but, as an Imperial Loyalist, I have a few points to share:
1) Skyrim was of course affected by the Concordat because Skyrim was/is a territory of the Empire.
2) The Empire didn't actually enforce the Concordat _until_ Ulfric started making a fuss over it. Alvor, the blacksmith in Riverwood, has this to say: "[Skyrim] didn't pay much attention to [the Concordat] when I was a boy - everyone still had their little shrine to Talos. But then Ulfric and his 'Sons of Skyrim' started agitating about it, and sure enough the Emperor had to crack down."
3) Regarding the player's intended execution at Helgen, that wasn't the Empire, it was _one_ captain who wanted to look good in front of her general. As for the Markarth Incident, which is a better move; keep a promise that will potentially start another Great War, or back out of said promise to not start another Great War? It's a tough call, but I think not starting another Great War is a better call.
Side Note: During the Markarth Incident, Ulfric and Jarl Hrolfdir committed legitimate war crimes, genocide, and other atrocities that turned the surviving Reachmen into the Forsworn.
4) Both sides (the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion) are secretly rebuilding their strength for the next Great War. That's the thing the Stormcloaks fail to realize; the Concordat is _temporary,_ and by having a tantrum, the Empire is weakened and will be less able to fight the Dominion.
5) Ulfric murdered the previous High King. Torygg respected Ulfric and knew that he was advocating for Skyrim's independence from the Empire. When Ulfric showed up at the Blue Palace in Solitude, everyone expected it was to propose Skyrim's independence to Torygg and people who knew the High King suspected he would even agree with Ulfric. But instead of propositioning, Ulfric challenged Torygg. Torygg knew Ulfric would kill him; Ulfric was trained by the Greybeards, a warrior (who had committed war crimes and genocide), and due to the nature of the challenge, if Torygg refused, he'd be forsaking his honor, his throne, and Sovngarde. Think about that: your choices are death or shame of the highest degree.
6) I highly doubt that an independent Skyrim can destroy the Aldmeri Dominion. The united Empire couldn't do it, Hammerfell can only defend themselves from the Thalmor, and if Skyrim cut ties with the Empire, the Dominion would raze the kingdom. You see, the Thalmor's goal is to effectively kill Talos by eradicating his religion. In the Elder Scrolls universe, a god's power comes from how much they're worshipped. If no one worships them, they're forgotten and effectively die. And which kingdom holds Talos in the highest regard? Skyrim. If Skyrim forsakes the protection being a part of the Empire offers, the Dominion will throw everything they have at the nords, and I doubt Skyrim would survive.
7) This one is a bit fourth-wall breaking, but the player is absolutely set up to support the Stormcloaks. The first NPC you talk to is a Stormcloak, right away you're going to be executed by order of an imperial captain, and when you first enter Castle Dour, you hear a bunch of boring military talk, as opposed to when you first enter the Palace of Kings, you hear Ulfric give this grand speech about fighting for what you believe in.
8) Not to put too fine a point on it, but Alessia has nothing to do with this. She founded the _First_ Empire, and the one that's fighting the Thalmor is the _Third_ Empire.
I am a pro imperial but a must contest one thing:
Talos is not a Aedra, Talos is three entities in one: Tiber Septim, born in high rock (fuck that atmora bullshits, Tiber is 90% Breton) Zurin (a powerful mage) and Wulfhart (a Shezzarine, Tiber best friend)
Talos is all these three people, Tiber by creating Talos (which is basically a prison for his friends and a powerful tool for him) achieved chim (being aware of what this whole world is, allowing him to do the fuck he want) we can say he transcended reality and can't be injured in any method by the world he transcended, he can't die like the Aedra can, he is even superior then Daedra or Anu and Padomay themselves (the two primitive forces that originated everything)
That's very deep lore, kind of hard to explain (in particular cause English is not my native language) but I hope to have been as clear as possible
@@babibo9028 Talos's god status is different from the aedra and daedra, yes, but that also makes him different from Anu/Anui-El and Padomay/Sithis, so I don't think it's entirely accurate to say he's more powerful than they are. I always imaged it works in such a way that et'Ada gods, like the aedra and daedra, and Chim gods, like Talos and Vivec, exist as two different kinds of gods, so comparing them is meaningless. It's like comparing meters to kilograms; they're two measurements but of entirely different things.
@@Galimeer5 the point is that Talos transcended our reality, Aedra, Daedra, Sithis, Anu and Padomay, that's nonsense for Talos, he doesn't even care, I mean, would you care about a dream?
P R E A C H
The empire
This is exactly what happened in Hammerfell btw
When the empire gave up and singled the treaty they had to get rid of Hammerfell as a province
In response the people of Hammerfell fought for five more years against the elves ultimately winning and kicking them out of there land after the dust had settled.
The empire is now too weak to defeat the elves on their own but the Efforts of Hammerfell Skyrim and Cyrodil now the elves would really be in trouble.having to spread there forces to deal with there many enemies!
Exactly. Skyrim needs to follow in Hammerfell''s footsteps. The Thalmor do not fear a hobbled Empire, they fear a unified Skyrim, willing to fight for its independence.
I don't understand why anyone would consider it a good role-playing decision to join the Empire. In scene 1, they tried to cut my fucking head off for no goddamn reason. Well, that decided it for me, then.
The reason you ended up in binds to begin with was because of the stormcloaks? You was just at the wrong place at the wrong time, that’s war.
if it was the stormcloaks instead of the empire you think they would show you mercy especially if you were anyone but a nord?
@@LoopyLemon775 Oh sure, it's totally believable this would happen. All I'm saying is that, as a role-playing decision, it seems this would be the most believable choice. "Those bastards just tried to cut off my head. Fuck those guys."
If you read the dossier on Ulfric, you learn he's a tool of the Thalamor. They wanted him to escape and become a rebel leader, to 'rise up' against the Imperials to weaken them. This makes it easier for the Thalamor to defeat them eventually. I wish they added a choice where could unite the stormcloaks and Imperials to kick the Thalamor's asses.
Ya or get the ulfric from sovangarde who's much wiser
Oh, damn. I didn't even think of that. I always thought those soldiers at the beginning of the game acted alone, that the order to execute you never came from above.
I wouldn't put it past the Thalmor to create a new faction that would fight against the Empire, letting them fight amongst each other and then swooping in to finish them off. Genius.
Didn't the dossier also say they didn't want either side of the conflict to win
@@kalaegambol7195 A long civil war would weaken the Empire and that's what the Thalmor want. The dossier reads "Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off." so yes, they don't want either side to win or lose, even to helping the Stormcloaks indireclty if needed.
I just realised the Empire has a serious problem with accidentally imprisoning and/or killing the people who end up having to be the ones to whoop the bad guys ass (Dagon and Alduin, the freaking WORLD EATER). They did it in Oblivion and Skyrim 😐
The Empire has a connection to prophecy that end up saving the world, ever taken that into consideration?
Plot my friend. Plot.
I agree with u soooooo much good to see some friendly stormcloak bois
Why should you join Empire
1. United Empire is better than every province fighting alone (better coordination)
2. Empire only signed White-Gold Concordat to regain strengh (humans breed faster)
3. After battle of Red Ring Emperor was not sure how many other armies elves had (remember all blades were killed)
4. Rebelion only benifits Thalmor, because empire is wasting soldiers on fighting it instead of moving them to border with Aldmeri Dominion
Why does everyone ignore the fact that the Empire won the war at the very beginning of the story? The only thing that saved Ulfric from beheading was Alduin appearing.
I used to always go against the storm cloaks because I thought that Ulfric was a puppet to the Thalmor and that, in helping the storm cloaks win over Skyrim, it would weaken the empire and risk Thalmor invasion. And then obviously a weakend Skyrim would then be at risk in the coming years.
However, Hammerfell, and im sure many other provinces probably have many reason to hate the Thalmor and would gladly join a recently liberated Skyrim in finally destroying the elf nazis. Im not so sure an alliance like that would be possible with the Empire holding Skyrim
Would love to see a new uprising vs the Thalmor with the dragonborn as new Skyrim high king and Ulfric usurping the throne in Cyrodiil. "It would be a battle of such triumph."
When I restarted my playthrough from *accidentally* killing the residents at river wood
I accidentally joined the imperial and had to restart again..
Do you mean River Wood?
@@boerepompie8244 oh apologies must have been a typo
i’ve never watched riverdale
@@shrimpbro1 No problems, for a second I thought you meant Rivendale
Dragon Break: the Dragonborn joins both the Stormcloaks and the Imperials
I make an imp and do legion stuff, then I make a Nord and side with ulfric. I’m a lore nut and I must say. With the return of the Dragonborn it makes more sense to side with the stormcloaks. Especially when the empire has fallen (again) and the setting is Skyrim.
Thalos smiles at the mounted Thalmor heads over my fireplace, oh and one of them is my new feet stool
That foot stool would start to smell rather quickly !😬
So many good Irish TH-camrs nowadays, great vid!
When I thought about it and was choosing the Stormcloaks are Americans,
1. Trying to become independent from another group. (Britain)
2. Freedom of Religion
3. Some are racist
4. Led by someone that fought for the other side in the past (George Washington)
5. The basic uniform colors for the British (Imperials) and America (Nords) are the same as was in the American Revolution with their corresponding groups.
6. On land that was originally someone else's (Dwarves and Native Americans)
There are definitely more but I can't think of them right now but if the Stormcloaks are wrong does that mean Americans are wrong and maybe the other territories that were ruled by Britain and other European countries that later claimed independence in history?
In my head, the Stormcloaks are far-right nutters because;
- They are racist. Look at how they treat their elves.
- They want to leave the Empire(/EU) (to get rid of the brown people). The whole "skyrim for the nords" idea clearly violates the free movement principle that the EU is based on.
- Far right nutters tend to be very white. Like nords.
Although I can't imagine that Bethesda were predicting the future ;)
Dotagamer to add on to that, americans were tired of the taxation because the war that occurred (Americans w/ British v French w/ Native Americans) *i could be wrong, correct me if i am* wasnt caused by the americans themselves, but for the royal battles occuring back in the old world that spreaded onto The New World/America (where the French resided as well).
Dotagamer oh and also the american ppl residing in the east coast and south of it werent as respected as the people with titles back in the british empire. There were americans who could be as wealthy as the king and probably more fasionable than the king himself yet were treated like low class peasants because the social status totally determined their life; cuz you arent duke or a lord, you are as seen as a *commoner* or a *farmer*
Now thats added, its up to someone else to speculate and correlate the given facts with Nords and early day Americans 😁
Andre Gutierrez that is true, in both cases the cause of outrage which sparked a revolution (taxation or banning Talos) was sparked by another war (in Skyrim the Aldemeri Dominion and the Empire and in America as they call it, the French and Indian war)
Actually nords are NOT any more racist than anyone, Nords actually are pretty tame compared to elves, most nords dislike elves is because elves are incredibly lazy and racist, nords respect hard work, if yiu search windhelm a little bit youd find that the dark elves are in a shitty district because THEY MADE IT SHITTY. the nords hate them because theyre also incredibly lazy.
Also the guy that mentions far-right, dont watch so much CNN kid.
That's a lot of good reasoning, I can see the arguments of both sides, but for me there's one tide breaker.
Jarl Balgruuf, I just can't pull myself to go against him.
I mean, that's one of the main reasons I usually go imperial on my playthroughs.
I never play a Nord, or any human races in general, I usually play Khajiit or Argonian, two races which Stormcloaks don't really like. When I did play a Nord the first time I ever played Skyrim, about three four years ago I think, I did do Stormcloak, so that might count for something.
My new playthough though I had the opening scene overhaul, and decided to go with Ralof instead of Hadvar for the first time in forever, and Ulfric was there, so for the most part I escaped with Ulfric, which does tempt me to do the Stormcloaks, But again, I love Jarl Balgruuf, and a Khajiit Stormcloak would be weird.
Jarl Laila law giver, I just can't pull myself to go against her. But I'd be grateful to eradicate Black Briars, Blades and Thieves Guild
The only thing imperial sympathizers have is saying that mankind would fail without the empire but the empire is allowing the suffering of mankind under the thalmor
"The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world." - G-Man, Half-life 2
I wish after you win the war as a stormcloak you go to the thalmor embassy with catapults and armies of soldiers break down their walls and slaughter everything within them it would be cool if in the case of you doing the dragonborn dlc before the war they say theve heard rumors about you riding dragons into battle and show you a dragon layer to do it on or you could ride odahviing
The only thing that I regret for joining the Stormcloak is you had to take down the infamous Jarl Balgruuf. That man was the best Jarl. If only he did not return the axe..... 😔
Lucky for us, we may rest at ease, knowing he continues to reside as an refugee in Solitude.
Your choice depends on whether you wish to serve a group of unwilling Thalmor puppets or just one.
Look… all I’ll say is when your being massacred by the thalmor don’t ask us for protection 😁
keep in mind by doing this you basically let the thalmor get skyrim in the next war
Can’t possibly know that.
@@keenanscutchfield7229 the imperials and their general are actively paranoid of the thalmor and are trying to restrict them. The storm cloaks are not trained and disorganized and frankly wouldn’t survive a war against them. I’ve sunk a couple hundred hours into Skyrim and have played all of the sides it allows you to and read most of the books in the game with knowledge relating to this. I can tell you the thalmor plan to seize Skyrim and the nords on their lonesome wouldn’t stand a chance. And this dragon crisis that happens in the game would only help them with how disorganized it has made them
@@boxman7044 I've played the game A LOT as well. The Stormcloaks can rally the inhabitants of Skyrim behind the leadership of Ulfric AND the Dragonborn. The Dragonborn can, canonically, wipe out armies by himself especially with the aid of pacified dragons. The Stormcloaks are the obvious choice here.
@@keenanscutchfield6867 yeeeeeah not quite ulfric here is considered dragon born and they seem very loyal and lets say hypothetically the Dragonborn is in another land dealing with the first dragon born when said invasion takes place you wouldn’t get word for quite some time due to people fearing going there and frankly the storm cloaks would be at a huge disadvantage due to incompetent leadership of ulfric seriously the high king was reasonable if they had convinced him instead of killing him they would have a much higher survival rate. And let’s not forget the nords racism which kinda puts them at a disadvantage with foreign help as well keep in mind the thalmor intend to become gods by killing everyone else. Sticking with the empire gives you far more options and more higher likelihood of victory. Now I’m not saying the storm cloaks are all bad I’m just saying the cons are quite glaring.
@@boxman7044 I never said Ulfric was Dragonborn. And let's address the racism comment...The Stormcloaks aren't racist by any standard, their mistrust of races like the Argonians and Dark Elves are born of specific events with those groups that have shaped public opinion. And even then, most Stormcloaks don't hate those groups. Ulfric will allow any race to join his ranks if they're worthy. Also, we can't judge (fictional and non-fictional) people from times long past based on the standards of today, because if we play that game, I can point out the bigotry of the Imperials quite easily. They forbid the worship of certain Gods (Talos among them) and stretch their control over faraway lands. They're authoritarian and worst of all, puppets of the Thalmor. That's reason enough to choose the Stormcloaks.
I was born on a riften street where the dragon drums did beat,
And those loving imperials feet they tramped all over us,
And each and every night when me father came home tight
He'd invite the neighbors outside with this chorus:
Come out ye legion fans come out and fight me like a man,
Show your wife how you won medals down in cyrodil
Tell them how the stormcloaks made you run like hell away
From the bronze and stoney lanes of markarth.
Omg😂😂 a skyrim version of come out ye black and tans. 🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮 nice one bro i respect that a lot. I just had to screenshot that😂😂
Death to the IRA!!🇬🇧
I can see all of these reason as reason anyone would join the Stromcloaks not just the Nords. I can even see some High Elves who are brave enough to stand up to the Thalmor.
I’m a new player more less returning I must say I enjoy pathing my own journey through the story. I don’t know if I want to start this or continue as a werewolf companion Dragonborn vampire slayer with the dawnguard lol
Ulfric challenged Torygg to a duel and he honourably accepted, and lost. According to tradition, Ulfric is now High King, whether you like it or not, so the Stormcloaks are just trying to put the ACTUAL high king on the throne.
when i started to play Skyrim a few Weeks ago (it was my First time) i didnt know you could choose sides. Only today i found out that you can join diffrent sides :,)
Don't forget, the empire is against the Thalmor as Tullius himself hints that there may be another war coming so they are not exactly puppets, they are abiding to the Thalmor until the time is right to strike since the Stormcloak rebellion is defeated, more imperial influence will eventually spread across Skyrim until the point where the Empire can fight them again.
Lol Tullius dosent say anything about bidding time
Hail Ulfric!
This helped me make my mind up. Thanks. Btw - what's the music you've got playing in the background? I just liked the middle stuff, that's all :)
This video is filled with Stormcloak propaganda. I’d recommend looking at a range of different videos to gather an accurate understanding of the Stormcloaks . Avarti is one I’d recommend.
I'd basically known I was gonna join the Stormcloaks since the beginning, and meeting the Thalmor just solidified my stance, but I put off the quest til near the end. And then I joined the Stormcloaks and it broke my heart.
I still can't believe I betrayed Whiterun and Balgruuf. I just wish I could have convinced him to join me. Of all the places in Skyrim Whiterun was my home and just feel awful.
I may just go back to an old save and ignore the questline completely...
Pretty sure that was the intent making white run so central to everything geographically and making it the most pleasing to look at design wise, not to mention the nicest npcs. I believe it was intended to give a conflict of interest feeling so there was never any no downside clear choice winner to pick for the Civil War.
Jarl of Whiterun didn’t choose and he didn’t really do much in terms of taking action.
On my next playthrough I'm going to spice things up by playing as a Dark Elf and join the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks and Windhelm has a history at treating the Dunmer poorly so I think that would be really interesting.
first playthrough high elf stormcloak before i even looked up a commentary.
Mine was high elf Thalmor agent sent to aid stormcloaks
Orc stormcloak