Analog vs. Digital : Perception vs. Reality

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  • @TonyBlackNYC
    @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Thanks for checking this one out...a little recap of Friday's Live stream, MPC 3.0 and spilling a beverage. Thanks for the "buy me a coffees" superchats, etc. Much appreciated.

    • @drindy5166
      @drindy5166 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You hosted a great live Friday brother. Look forward to more down the road. Now for this video 🔥👊🔥

    • @drindy5166
      @drindy5166 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha... Had to stop in quickly again. Found a choice video title that made me think of you for some reason. The title of the video was 10 yrs of mixing in 10mins. Lol... Some people have super abilities apparently lol... Had something like 384K views too. Guess I am doing it all wrong lol

  • @denishuvideo
    @denishuvideo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    well i started to produce Music around 2000 when Digital was the latest thing and everybody sold their Analog Gear on eBay for Fractions of what it cost today. Fast Forward 2015 i was literally tired in my back and with my sight and uninspired to use furthermore the inthebox world and decided to give old skool MIDI and Hardware a try... it was eyeopening and since then i shifted my production hybrid and can say Analog gave me my inspiration back

  • @stevedoesnt
    @stevedoesnt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I really like that thought experiment, about “if digital came first.” For some people, digital came first. I came into the game in about 2009, and digital was certainly frustrating then, and still sometimes is. Not the sound, the sound can be great. But like kids who might buy an analog camera, or a classic car, I really love the way my brain and body interface with analog stuff. Mind you, I have a good tech nearby, but it’s just all too fun to give up for me. I even like, for some projects, how difficult the experience of tracking on tape can be. The restrictions of it all force me to be more creative and to solve problems that can inevitably lead to really interesting moves.

  • @americanantagon1st
    @americanantagon1st 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Peace, Tony. I appreciate you sharing your perspective. I was a kid in the early 2000's, so I've always loved the sound of analog/hybrid mixes. My first setup was a digital Pro Tools Mbox and cheap microphone and I loved it. After many years of recording and mixing ITB, most of the sound that I wanted still wasn't there. After mixing hybrid for the last 9 years and scoring high on many hardware vs digital plugins blind tests, I could never stay ITB. Salute to those who do! lol Anyways, thank you for sharing.

  • @bexiexz
    @bexiexz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this was awesome, love hearing from your experience

  • @p76441
    @p76441 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wow! I appreciate you sharing your experience. I actually had that thought after your live stream, regarding digital vs analog. If you grew up with/ worked in analog, you'd be better able to replicate it in the digital world, but for those only used to digital, that knowledge isn't there, so you don't have that reference, and analog may sound too "old timey". I remember an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond when Ray got his father a CD player. After listening to some of the first song, Frank didn't like it and eventually grabbed his record player to hear the music how he was used to hearing it. Music is definitely subjective. One thing I didn't realize I appreciated about vinyl over streaming, until I bought a few records recently, is that the sound of the needle in the groove gives an extra bit of ambience and warmth. I used to think CDs were king due to the clarity. The negative, as you mentioned regarding analog gear, it can break down and records can pop, skip and jump. I guess that's what gives analog its perceived value, though. There is upkeep needed, so you respect it/ take pride in it more (or should). It's interesting to think about how people's opinion would be if somehow digital came first then analog and how that would've affected the music industry...

    • @TonyBlackNYC
      @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      same for books...if the kindle was first, paper books would be considered insane.

  • @ItsTheFuzzMan
    @ItsTheFuzzMan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    New MPCs have MPC desktop software included with purchase, the software operates on its own as a fully functional DAW on PC or Mac, you do not need an MPC device and can purchase it separately. It supports 3rd party VST2 plugins as well as higher sound quality and better performance as it shifts the processing from the MPCs internal hardware to the computer's hardware when the MPC enters "Controler Mode".
    A "fully functional" DAW although it does lack a few features and limitless versatility of most modern DAWs. Akai is addressing some of these shortcomings in 3.0. Already addressed is submix automaton, track color coding and a more functional linear editor.
    "Standalone" users refers to MPC users that use new MPCs like old MPCs, as a piece of outboard gear. While "Desktop", "Controller", or "Power" users generally keep the MPC in controller mode and use the software as their primary DAW while often also using a more capable interface for tracking and other conversion tasks.
    Its a bit of a messy situation because there are older users who absolutely refuse to use new MPCs with the desktop software, despite it's improved performance and higher bit depth and sample rates.
    Using the MPC Live in particular Akai's intent is pretty clear, a portable device for roughing out ideas that can then be used in controller mode for more serious mixing.

    • @artisans8521
      @artisans8521 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Héhé, your right. I started using free MPC Beats. Then bought the software and a second hand Studio (the old silver one). Loved it, runs on a small laptop. And the integration with the Studio is cool, lazy chopping and all. Last month I bought a 2500. Using JJOSXL. Love it. A verry streamlined workflow. But the new MPC 3.0 workflow is well thought off. Coming from NI Maschine MK3 Mikro, the Studio and the 2500 are streamlined machines and the 3.0 software turns the new MPC's de facto in DAW in a boxes and that is a good thing.

    • @gengee21
      @gengee21 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All in the eye of the beholder. I use the mpc live for everything except mastering, although I could if I really wanted to.

    • @ItsTheFuzzMan
      @ItsTheFuzzMan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @gengee21 me too, and I see limitations as an advantage...of course when I say "MPC" I'm including the desktop software, they are not separate to me but part of a packaged workflow. The software is a ported version of the firmware.

  • @drindy5166
    @drindy5166 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have the MPC X, truly excited about the 3.0, however it was a good 6months of hard learning TH-cam University (always learning) before I bought it. Downtime would hurt me too much especially being in BETA right now. So before I make the switch I am taking in what I can about the changes before I do... that and allow for bug fixes before I do. Really looking forward to the changes though for sure 🔥👊🔥

  • @thegroove2000
    @thegroove2000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There is some fire music under the radar music out there. More interesting to me than say DR DRE and other commercial artists.. More creative more diverse,deeper, soulfull,funky what ever adjectives apply.

    • @thegroove2000
      @thegroove2000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have always gravitated more towards the underdogs and the underground scene. Thats just me.

  • @intricateinc8566
    @intricateinc8566 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Adding a MPC LIve2 to my studio soon, and will be in full learning mode.

  • @gilliatt57
    @gilliatt57 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Tony, "Boys of Summer" is an all-time fave. Interestingly, the music video is actually worthy of the song (that's not something that you can often say). Anyway, thanks for the recollection.

    • @TonyBlackNYC
      @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      GREAT video. Agreed.

  • @chayalexanderwright
    @chayalexanderwright 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    MPC 3 will likely come as Mac/PC standalone DAW/app, just like MPC 2 is… I use it as a plugin integrated in my main DAW - works really dope.

  • @SOVLTRON
    @SOVLTRON 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    @8:25 Ive been using the AKai force for almost 6 years now. The New MPC 3.0 update is essentially FOrce OS and it has 100% made me approach music in a differnt way.

    • @DanielIvan707
      @DanielIvan707 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Force is the best thing Akai has done in a long time.

    • @jasongonzalez2856
      @jasongonzalez2856 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeap that arranger mode was on it.I started with mpc 60 and 3000 and would use protools by digidesign at that time lol ...to arrange my sequences to full track ...this is dope!

  • @artisans8521
    @artisans8521 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Most extreme example is VCV rack. A eurorack is way less convenient and sounds much the same (since a lot of actual modules are digital in the first place). But in VCV rack, I can SAVE a setting, in the real world, eurorack that is a bit difficult. So there are people building 12 tier racks running into 6 figures, while VCV rack is more or less free and way more convenient.

    • @pleggli
      @pleggli 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I still make more interesting sounds with my actual eurorack than I do in VCV rack. Probably because I have carefully chosen the modules I have for what I want to do with them over an extended period of time.
      VCV rack also is a good example of the worst example of too many choices due to there being no limitations resulting in every single basic function has 20+ modules in the VCV rack ecosystem.

    • @trevor_mounts_music
      @trevor_mounts_music 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pleggli Pick 1 or 2 of the 20 and move on then? lol

  • @resp0nse_beats
    @resp0nse_beats 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    inphonik rx1200 is a really nice VST if you're looking for that SP1200 sound but don't have 12 grand kicking around.
    Really impressive.

    • @rmriwatch
      @rmriwatch 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can get an SP-12 for less than 2k nowadays if you are really after the sound. Rx1200 is cool too.

    • @AC_Martin
      @AC_Martin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Only problem is the clicky pads, nobody has made a “1200” midi controller…. Can probably make a ton of money on that.
      There is the rx1200 rack plug-in officially on Reason. Should totally try it out but the bundle is cheap but no SP1200 midi controller…. I was thinking using an arcade controller that doesn’t use joystick, the all button model. Not even sure that would work as MIDI…

    • @resp0nse_beats
      @resp0nse_beats 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AC_Martin I agree and have thought about the same thing many times. For now I just map a few controls to my Akai MPD (which does have some click buttons but are NOT mappable) and pretend I'm using the real thing! lol

    • @lionelluney3063
      @lionelluney3063 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The rx1200 sounds nothing like an sp1200

  • @futilerecordings
    @futilerecordings 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Ataris covered Boys of Summer, not to be confused with the band Atari Teenage Riot.

  • @nicks.8003
    @nicks.8003 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I imagine hardware will always have a place. Look at synths: Some people use modular rigs when a computer can do everything easier with recall, but the process is something some are willing to pay for and prefer the hardware for.

  • @DanielIvan707
    @DanielIvan707 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Is the MPC gonna turn into the Roland MV?

  • @RC_991
    @RC_991 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I liked the detail about how Don Henley made him transpose the track so it better suited his voice. A concept that was completely alien to Mike Campbell at the time. 🤣

    • @TonyBlackNYC
      @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yeah that part surprised me...especially knowing MC and TP were Beatles fans. G Martin was very into that concept.

  • @matthewgaines10
    @matthewgaines10 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Respectfully, I disagree on MPC 3 beta. I have Studio One, Ableton Live, and Cubasis (Android and iPadOS). I have plenty of opportunities to work differently already. I would be 100% fine with trying new things with MPC 3.x as long as I can also use my current workflow as well. The beta broke my workflow.
    I didn’t work the way I work on the MPC now until I saw someone else doing it and I change my workflow accordingly.
    I use MPC off label to compose songs. I enjoy using MPCs over a DAW. With the new version of MPC, I might as well go back to a DAW.
    Working different does stimulate creativity. Sometimes it stimulates frustration too.
    Tried the beta. Reported bugs. Provided solid feedback to Akai. I’m ready to roll back and get back to business.
    It was real. It was fun. It wasn’t real fun. The beta is incomplete and work arounds slow me down.

  • @biggwillbeats4384
    @biggwillbeats4384 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    8:53 MPC beats is the gateway to akai software 2.0 [currently 2.15]..or if one is ready to “beta test” 3.0.
    As its beta it needs to be debugged.
    If you’re working that’s probably not the best to just add that to any DAW situation ,it’s not stable..
    Thanks for the [CLASSIC]earwig btw 😈😉

  • @pjw3d87
    @pjw3d87 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I like my MPC to be a standalone beat machine and my DAW is for recording, editing, arranging and additional production.
    I’m not a fan of the “MPC = DAW” concept.

  • @williamhansen5762
    @williamhansen5762 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Tony i was watching a hip hop podcast and they mentioned a artist named big sean released a new album and they were talking he had 56 producers working on his album crazy huh. i listened to a couple tracks and i didn't hear anything to brag about.

    • @AC_Martin
      @AC_Martin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Was probably a bunch of generic producers making Trap Beats; that’s the new circle-jerking that replaced Dubstep. It’s literally black/white degenerate music genres.

  • @maximusxxi
    @maximusxxi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Salute 🫡

  • @arkatheprod
    @arkatheprod 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hybrid is my way to go.

  • @larrytan73
    @larrytan73 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You might be a little confused when it comes to the hpye surrounding the MPC3.. AKAI is calling it a "DAW"in a box! They claim you can start a song and mix it start to finish.. You can't use 3rd party vst's... Would you drop Pro-Tools to start mixing in the limited MPC3 hardware ? Akai is trying to enter the DAW world!

    • @yoosooh_wav
      @yoosooh_wav 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Mix a song from start to finish? They can’t even give us a decent reverb plugin after all these years!!! 🤣

    • @larrytan73
      @larrytan73 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@yoosooh_wav I know that reverb plugin is trash! horrible

  • @solarbabies9682
    @solarbabies9682 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I haven't used an MPC since 2004. They have become so convoluted now that you may as well just use a computer.

    • @eltripps9684
      @eltripps9684 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I miss my 2000xl more than any other piece I've parted with.

  • @MaliciousTheOne
    @MaliciousTheOne 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you consider GarageBand to be a capable DAW for professional hip hop hip hop music production?

    • @TonyBlackNYC
      @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      its not horrible.

    • @MaliciousTheOne
      @MaliciousTheOne 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TonyBlackNYC follow up question:
      I have mixes and masters that sound clean and radio ready in my headphones, and then by the time I've uploaded to Google Drive and sent to various music personalities, I'm told that the mixes need some work. I have no idea what I'm doing in terms of mixing or mastering and I'm doing it all by myself. What would be the best advice you would give to avoid having this loss in overall audio quality?

    • @AC_Martin
      @AC_Martin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MaliciousTheOneI propose ya have to mix it in a way that sounds different than the exported audio does. Recently uploaded an 8 bar 30~ second track to Soundcloud, sounds way different than the playback on VLC media player. Music industry is weird, why even bother uploading anything online? Just become a DJ and sneak your beats with other songs….

  • @thegroove2000
    @thegroove2000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Analog in, digtal out.

  • @madblessings
    @madblessings 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is the legendary singer Sade? 👀

    • @TonyBlackNYC
      @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no...no one has guessed correctly yet

  • @GT-KT
    @GT-KT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m in the market for a G+. Computers slow me down and NO ONE wants to make the proper controller so.

    • @TonyBlackNYC
      @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      SSL?

    • @GT-KT
      @GT-KT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TonyBlackNYCmost def. I was looking at the n trophy but that’s out the budget for no budget work at the moment.

  • @trevor_mounts_music
    @trevor_mounts_music 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gear is cool but I feel more like a ninja just making tracks with strictly samples and a copy of Renoise. Would I LIKE to have tons of posh studio gear? Sure. Is it in ANY way necessary for me to do what I do? Absolutely not. I'd still like to sell a kidney for some Barefoots or Genelecs though🤷‍♂

  • @alphaomega6062
    @alphaomega6062 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you have to be a subscriber to comment? I left quite a long comment on the "what if I told you" video and it vanished. Do you edit comments? I wouldn't have though so. So this comment is a test to see if it remains. Thanks for your interesting thoughts and thought provoking videos.

    • @TonyBlackNYC
      @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      you don't have to be a sub

    • @TonyBlackNYC
      @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      and no, I don't edit comments

    • @alphaomega6062
      @alphaomega6062 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TonyBlackNYC OK thanks maybe I just pressed the wrong button! LOL I used to have problems leaving comments if I had a VPN active but I don't use that anymore.

    • @AC_Martin
      @AC_Martin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alphaomega6062
      Forums were so much better for communicating than the TH-cam “comments section”… it’s the bastard child of social media which is on the decline since too many elderly people use it. I would use Gearspace but they changed the name from Gearslutz…. Which is the reason it got popular in the first place!

  • @wigmaster7894
    @wigmaster7894 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Who are these maniacs demanding an intro for every video. It’s already typed in the description. Boys of summer was on mtv constantly in the late 80s. They probably ran it non-stop until the day smells like teen spirit was released. I liked the visuals and the production but always thought the hook sounded like a bridge and it needed a stronger main melody.

    • @TonyBlackNYC
      @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is an ADHD mentality...it just is what it is.

  • @ItsTheFuzzMan
    @ItsTheFuzzMan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Plugins designed to sound good in the box>>Plugins designed to emulate hardware...IMHO.

  • @nilespeshay1734
    @nilespeshay1734 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    B/c I'm a bad person, often prone to schadenfreude, I find it humorous that +SOME+ mpc users are getting upset that their device does not have certain features (linear song arrangement) that it's never had since they owned it (or since it was first invented).
    Why'd ya buy a $2k device with a workflow that you find lacking, lol?
    ALSO: Looking at the albums Mike Campbell has played on... insane. Bob Dylan to D'Angelo (and Paula Abdul). And '84... Petty would have been working on Southern Accents ('85)? The instrumental from Boys of Summer, I think, would have fit just fine... but I'm no Iovine.
    EDIT: I just learned that the original plan was for Southern Accents to be a concept album. Nevermind about including Boys of Summer, lol

    • @ItsTheFuzzMan
      @ItsTheFuzzMan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Devil's advocate, I bought my MPC Live mk1 for $1200, new in-box. So a sampler, audio interface, drum machine, sequencer and DAW with built in FX, VST instruments and sound pack bundles...good deal?

    • @js78910
      @js78910 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The older mpcs give a different character to your tracks when you record samples into them.

    • @nilespeshay1734
      @nilespeshay1734 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@js78910 that's what people say.

    • @nilespeshay1734
      @nilespeshay1734 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ItsTheFuzzMan don't get me wrong. I love MPCs. They're not for me but I respect their place in the culture and I've watched HOURS of people making beats on MPCs.

    • @ItsTheFuzzMan
      @ItsTheFuzzMan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @nilespeshay1734 For sure. It's crazy to me people complain about these machines when you get so much for so little. Akai really trying their best to please an impossible user base.

  • @loftmonster
    @loftmonster 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If they make the software stand alone they won't be able to trick people into buying an overpriced controller...

  • @b3astmedia173
    @b3astmedia173 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "god forbid, just a two bar loop" jokes . i'm more pessimistic about this akai update, not that I' d thought much about it- only using akai rack mounts. more DAW in a box might lower the bar further for dumb music. I doubt it'll facilitate a new era in progressive beat making. but who knows. I remember reading DJ Shadow ditched his mpc a long time ago, favouring protools. to badly paraphrase him: tapping at buttons on a mpc is kind of superfluous, to the point of absurd. that's from someone who mastered beats inside out and curated what you could call a sampling lexicon.
    having said that; endtroducing and preemptive strike, what most would say his best works, were made on mpc. tho I think this is more about the trajectory of an artist . I don't rate shadow releases after private press. his live 45 mixes, however, are the emerald tablets of hip hop alongside such things as Afrika bambataa's death mix and the percee p/ lord finesse Pattison projects battle.
    The two Tony videos on Radiohead albums from an engineers perspective were great! would love to listen to opinions on bands or artist's trajectories from a more producer angle as opposed to the well worn music critic angle.
    I mention radiohead specifically because Thom York has been quoted as saying that radiohead were trying to create a DJ shadow album when they made the blueprint for OK computer. they then went on to magpie from Aphex twin and other warp artists. that's almost floydian levels of progressive influence from shadow.
    People interested in this kind of rock- hip hop cross pollination might want to have a listen to Robert Wyatt's early output. Robert Wyatt 68 is mostly him playing drums and singing, accompanied by piano. The recording is very prescient in terms of groove and texture, it flows almost like a mix tape. Jon Spencer blues explosion similarly have a mix tape type flow on some recordings, especially what they did with dan the automator.

  • @smrubelmedia
    @smrubelmedia 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your video is very beautiful. I like it a lot. I have been trying to talk to you for a long time. I am waiting for your response. Please give me a chance to talk to you.💙💚💚

    • @ItsTheFuzzMan
      @ItsTheFuzzMan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lol

    • @TonyBlackNYC
      @TonyBlackNYC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I guess you can email me?