I've been training into bombers for quite some time, and I love them. I'm excited to see how the rebalance will affect bombers and med torps because right now, bombers require weeks of training to be very effective. The challenge is to maximize damage and minimize explosion radius. At current, that requires at least 8-10 skill levels in both med torp operations and upgrade, in addition to things like frigate command and defense for survivability. I can currently alpha strike for about 1.6k damage/volley on a 100 meter sig radius, so I'm not super effective yet considering most 100 meter ships have ~10k EHP. At the current balance, it's possible to get a T6 bomber to a 2k strike on an 80 meter target, but it requires 15 levels in both med torp ops and upgrade, as well as really expensive rigs and mods. I'm excited to see what they do in the rebalance of both the bomber hulls and med torps. And of course, target painters will take bombers to new levels. This is my strike build: Rigs: Targeting System Subcontroller Auxilliary Thruster Rigor Catalyst Calefaction Catalyst Low Slots: 2X Ballistic Control, CovOPS Cloak Mids: Warp Disruptor (soon to upgrade to scrambler) Webifier (placeholder for target painter)
Stealth bombers are awesome. According to the FAQ thread, torpedoes are getting a buff...and bombs will be added eventually too...so a good investment!
A well fit Hound Benzie! A very dangerous ship in the right hands! :) I usually use a Posse invuln on a speed tank like this instead of the shield booster.
Hey Benzie, I did Friends by Blood solo in the hound with AB + Frig Command at 5/5/5, make sure when you tank, to keep range at around 13km (your max range of the web) else you get webbed, and if you get double webbed you are gone :p Other than that, get those torp skills up, you can push over 300 dps with proper missile skills.
Hey im looking to do the scroll storyline missions also, is it possible if i have Frig Command at 5/5/4 & AB at 5/4? Im currently using a CNI but finding this too slow as I always have to warp away. I'm just looking at T8 storylines, you did a T10 somehow, how many times did you have to warp out and how did you deal with elites?
@@umirza I did it just as a challenge, it took me over 3 days doing it or over 4-5 hours a day. I warped out plenty, tanked elites at around 250km from warp in then once more stuff catches up, I reward from different angle. Once battle cruisers and battle ships are left, it's easy pickings. If you want speed go for Prophecy.
Huge fan they you added pve content with frigates. It’s inspiring to see why can be done with a frigate in pve. It wasn’t sure that it could be done so well in a frigate.
I got through with a Vexor Trainer a while back, wasn't paying attention until I was through the gate with virtual no HP and warping en route to a station which finished me off in short order.
I'm putting 3 small missile on a Burst II, hitting T8 anom at 18km. I change 1 low slot to ballistic control as shown in your video, help to increase damage.
@@captainbenzie 3 gistii cannons, 3 predator warp disrupters, 1 Gistii AB and 1 Gistii MWD (can go practically 5km/sec with it) Rigs 2 tier 2 cannon collision 1 tier 2 cannon aerator 2x tech 2 auxiliary thrusters 1x tech 2 Polycarbon engine housing Dps is around 350 but I still have a bit to go on all my expert skills Dramiel is really the only thing I’ve trained into besides medium missiles (expert on those as well)
Its actually quite hard to lock down a Venture 3 unless they are a few of you. Even with two scramblers that's not enough when the miner is fitted with a active warp core stabilizer. I find mining in null much easier since if you find a dead end system with no one in local it becomes much easier to track when potential threats enter the system.
The stealth bombers look like they'd be a ton of fun. But I'm more focusing on Cruisers and Indy (no alts) so Expert Frig command is a low priority. Still might pick one up.
I was persuaded to buy a hound after seeing the video Ecoundrel did on it, that velocity bonus is very handy as even when cloaked this thing goes around 6-700kms. I have my rigs slightly differently (I use the explosion radius reduction one along with the damage one), and I find a MWD more useful for disengaging when it all goes Pete-Tong though you have to be very careful with cap. I guess when my AB skill is a bit better I might go back to the AB and I do need to up my frigate engineering and command to really see the best of it. Do you know where the kill marks are on it?
Bombard mode also allows the hound to kite n kill up to teir 8 normal anoms with small missiles (not torpedoes) allowing nice max range of 57 ish Km range and smashes small ships and does ok with the larger ships till elites combine tank with module use. hence normal anoms. this of course may change post November small missile balance. You can kite by hitting Bomb Mode just before your missiles launch then on the 2nd volley just after launch turn it off for the speed gain, cooldown should let you pop it back on in between 2 volleys
Concord turrets got changed, I had the same whoops moment and yes, I made it to the other side of the gate, but I instantly got blown up on the other side.
Hi Captain! Greetings from Valhalla! Would you consider putting a flare catalyst rig to increase explosion velocity in place of second warhead calefaction? I'm wondering if this might be an overall benefit for the PvE fit as it may help get through the smaller targets a little faster.
@@blise518B In bombard mode using small missiles (and possibly one rapid medium launcher fitted) you can get ranges of above 40k so I am guessing he does this with a BCU.
@Captain Benzie: you have a lot of PG left, you should put in M Shield booster instead of small, personally I use the damage control as the fights that last longer than it's active time are not good for bombers anyway. Ideally you want to never be shot at, and if you won't manage to kill target before that it's better to run and bring more bombers for next run.
What were you up against? Medium rapid missiles are kryptonite to this thing so if you happen upon a Caracal doing an anomaly it's best to observe it to see what it's running. If it's rapids, run.
Great video. So when are the new player eve echoes video going to start that don't have 200mil ISK to spend on that setup. Would like to see if you can build some nice pvp/pve ships with 20mil to help have some fun with the game.
Just drop out the Faction Level Torps for Some Caldari Navy ones and its not too bad isk wise... For new players I guess the biggest expense is the warp disruptors which cost ~20m on their own. Hopefully the shorter range warp scrams will help this when they are available.
@@captainbenzie Fair enough, I stand corrected. All I meant was to say was that you could drop the Pithi launchers for cheaper Navy/Fleet level variants and still have fun with it.
You warped through that gate because it was sec: 0.0. I think , that's why your criminal timer didn't get you obliterated. if it was 0.1+, it would be - kaboom :) I made that mistake once too. Was not cheap lol.
Great vid as always Capt B! I just got me one of these, can't wait to try it out. It seems that this has the same problem as the Breacher Assault; at close range (10km) where you can use a warp disruptor, you are extremely vulnerable to being webbed and scrammed yourself, and then you will die! But at 30km, using bombard mode, you cannot scram them, so they will just warp away unless they're asleep. Like you say, I think this will only work in gang PvP, if someone else is scramming them for you. What do you think of using target painters at a long range? They are effective when webs are not. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. Keep these vids coming please, love them!
Stealth targets can't bring you out of stealth even if they are sitting directly on top of you. One person must drop cloak in order to bring anything else out of cloak
i would love to have a 1v1 captain B, between you and your hound and me and my thrasher fleet. I think you would take me by speed but I'm pretty sure I could give you a real close run for your money... much closer than the poor sap in video :D
I was flying trasher, until they give reset option, destro are not good in my opinion, i've gone for full cruiser with stabber, for soloing i think it's better
"Scan resolution is also pretty high for a frigate, ultimately these are designed to lock on at a fairly fast pace -- a key point we're looking at here". No. No it isn't. Take another look. I think the bombers have LITERALLY the lowest there is amongst the frigates within each faction, and this detail DOES matter - a lot - given the use case of the ship. *PLEASE* actually bother to check these details before you make videos about ships, or it makes it very hard to trust anything you say and makes all of this content basically pointless; and I'm really trying to say that in as constructive a way as I can think to. This isn't a minor mistake; it's a major and deliberate balancing measure that makes the ship harder to use in the exact way most people will attempt to use it.
Being able to travel gates with a criminal timer is probably the most important thing shown in this video!
Traditional Minmatar design. Duct tape, pipes & Solar panels. Lol’d my gf awake
Finally, the video I've been waiting for, thanks for making it possible :)
I've been training into bombers for quite some time, and I love them. I'm excited to see how the rebalance will affect bombers and med torps because right now, bombers require weeks of training to be very effective.
The challenge is to maximize damage and minimize explosion radius. At current, that requires at least 8-10 skill levels in both med torp operations and upgrade, in addition to things like frigate command and defense for survivability.
I can currently alpha strike for about 1.6k damage/volley on a 100 meter sig radius, so I'm not super effective yet considering most 100 meter ships have ~10k EHP. At the current balance, it's possible to get a T6 bomber to a 2k strike on an 80 meter target, but it requires 15 levels in both med torp ops and upgrade, as well as really expensive rigs and mods.
I'm excited to see what they do in the rebalance of both the bomber hulls and med torps. And of course, target painters will take bombers to new levels.
This is my strike build:
Rigs:
Targeting System Subcontroller
Auxilliary Thruster
Rigor Catalyst
Calefaction Catalyst
Low Slots:
2X Ballistic Control, CovOPS Cloak
Mids:
Warp Disruptor (soon to upgrade to scrambler)
Webifier (placeholder for target painter)
Stealth bombers are awesome. According to the FAQ thread, torpedoes are getting a buff...and bombs will be added eventually too...so a good investment!
I'm glad you're doing the Frigate Pilot's Manifesto. I've reset out of a few areas and heavily into frigates, and your videos are very helpful!
A well fit Hound Benzie! A very dangerous ship in the right hands! :)
I usually use a Posse invuln on a speed tank like this instead of the shield booster.
Hey Benzie, I did Friends by Blood solo in the hound with AB + Frig Command at 5/5/5, make sure when you tank, to keep range at around 13km (your max range of the web) else you get webbed, and if you get double webbed you are gone :p Other than that, get those torp skills up, you can push over 300 dps with proper missile skills.
Hey im looking to do the scroll storyline missions also, is it possible if i have Frig Command at 5/5/4 & AB at 5/4? Im currently using a CNI but finding this too slow as I always have to warp away. I'm just looking at T8 storylines, you did a T10 somehow, how many times did you have to warp out and how did you deal with elites?
@@umirza I did it just as a challenge, it took me over 3 days doing it or over 4-5 hours a day. I warped out plenty, tanked elites at around 250km from warp in then once more stuff catches up, I reward from different angle. Once battle cruisers and battle ships are left, it's easy pickings. If you want speed go for Prophecy.
My eyes are burning ill watch this vid tomorrow i hope you get well:)
I would love to see your take on the stealth cruisers
Awesome, can’t wait! I saw you say this on your last video
Awesome, speed is life. Nemesis please, freedom is priceless 🦔
One of the best Eve Echoes content providers out there! Great video
Huge fan they you added pve content with frigates. It’s inspiring to see why can be done with a frigate in pve. It wasn’t sure that it could be done so well in a frigate.
I had the experience of "no, no, No!" with crime timer and warping. Ended up a station and hit warp and died instantly
I got through with a Vexor Trainer a while back, wasn't paying attention until I was through the gate with virtual no HP and warping en route to a station which finished me off in short order.
I'm putting 3 small missile on a Burst II, hitting T8 anom at 18km. I change 1 low slot to ballistic control as shown in your video, help to increase damage.
Wouldn't a condor II offer better DPS and range, even lacking the additional high slot?
17:07 but sir don't you think that makes even reship faster and come back in ctas asap?
Thanks again
This helps a lot
Please plug your Org. Happy to join
Knowing is power and your willingness to share is awesome
This is a really good video and it is helping with me getting the stealth bomber
As a thought, a video on customizing a PvP and PvE overview would be cool. :)
Yes. Definitely need an overview customize vid.
Omg yes..i was about to ask this video from you but i already made one! Yeee ty :)
My favourite ship/gameplay it offers
Loved the hound when I was a cheap-ass
Now I have my dramiel-it is so good at everything
Just hit 200 killmarks on it as well!
@@captainbenzie 3 gistii cannons, 3 predator warp disrupters, 1 Gistii AB and 1 Gistii MWD (can go practically 5km/sec with it)
Rigs
2 tier 2 cannon collision
1 tier 2 cannon aerator
2x tech 2 auxiliary thrusters
1x tech 2 Polycarbon engine housing
Dps is around 350 but I still have a bit to go on all my expert skills
Dramiel is really the only thing I’ve trained into besides medium missiles (expert on those as well)
I have no idea where to get the 'interruptive".... Anyone can fill me in about that??
@@captainbenzie wow... I didnt think you would personally reply..... Thanks man!!! Love the content.... ♥️♥️♥️♥️
Can this do a T6 Story Line mission solo (i.e Super Soft Drink) as there's elite waves.
Just took down an Apocalypse for 1.6bill. loving this. I put a scanner on instead of the web.
Now I can't mine in 0.4 without getting killed
Its actually quite hard to lock down a Venture 3 unless they are a few of you. Even with two scramblers that's not enough when the miner is fitted with a active warp core stabilizer. I find mining in null much easier since if you find a dead end system with no one in local it becomes much easier to track when potential threats enter the system.
The stealth bombers look like they'd be a ton of fun. But I'm more focusing on Cruisers and Indy (no alts) so Expert Frig command is a low priority. Still might pick one up.
I was persuaded to buy a hound after seeing the video Ecoundrel did on it, that velocity bonus is very handy as even when cloaked this thing goes around 6-700kms. I have my rigs slightly differently (I use the explosion radius reduction one along with the damage one), and I find a MWD more useful for disengaging when it all goes Pete-Tong though you have to be very careful with cap. I guess when my AB skill is a bit better I might go back to the AB and I do need to up my frigate engineering and command to really see the best of it.
Do you know where the kill marks are on it?
Kill marks are on the top+center of the ship, in a row aligned front-to-back.
Where do the kill marks appear on the Hound?
Bombard mode also allows the hound to kite n kill up to teir 8 normal anoms with small missiles (not torpedoes) allowing nice max range of 57 ish Km range and smashes small ships and does ok with the larger ships till elites combine tank with module use. hence normal anoms. this of course may change post November small missile balance. You can kite by hitting Bomb Mode just before your missiles launch then on the 2nd volley just after launch turn it off for the speed gain, cooldown should let you pop it back on in between 2 volleys
just like playing sniper
Lol you released this vid and made the torpedoes raise in price... thanks! Lol
I’m trying to figure out how to deal with double webs while speed tanking.
@@captainbenzie thank you for the response!
Concord turrets got changed, I had the same whoops moment and yes, I made it to the other side of the gate, but I instantly got blown up on the other side.
Hi Captain! Greetings from Valhalla!
Would you consider putting a flare catalyst rig to increase explosion velocity in place of second warhead calefaction? I'm wondering if this might be an overall benefit for the PvE fit as it may help get through the smaller targets a little faster.
What do you think about using a damage control module instead of a Shield Booster? Since most solo PVP fights are less than the cycle time.
will you also make a video for purifier,nemesis and manticore?
Can you do a video on the bellicose cov op? I cant find one video on the ship
@@captainbenzie thanks for the response, yea I dont know if I'll like the targeting delay from decloaking, kind of defeats the purpose.
Hey guys I'm looking for active mining corporation on which to climb on board
My favorite ship. (Captain-Kirk)
This is a hound has the pewdiepie pattern
So, the role bonus on the Manticore means i can slap a microwarp and speed tank also?
@@captainbenzie
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@@captainbenzie I have tried it, and it does work surprisingly well, but again one web and everything hits you and your dead.
How do you have 280 hours for Ex Frig Command 5? I have 75 SP per minute, and I have 330 hours to level 5.
@@captainbenzie well uh, yes that would do it.
everyone talking about PvE using hound while me ratting on T8 anomalies alone with my 50km long range missile Nemesis
What’s your setup to get this range?
@@blise518B In bombard mode using small missiles (and possibly one rapid medium launcher fitted) you can get ranges of above 40k so I am guessing he does this with a BCU.
@@beng7845 do small missiles also benefit from the bombard modus ? I thought its just Torpedos.
@@blise518B they do indeed.. Probably more effecient ways of ratting but I just bombarded the elites out from a encounter with one
@Captain Benzie: you have a lot of PG left, you should put in M Shield booster instead of small, personally I use the damage control as the fights that last longer than it's active time are not good for bombers anyway.
Ideally you want to never be shot at, and if you won't manage to kill target before that it's better to run and bring more bombers for next run.
tried it, don't know what did wrong but i got hits all the time orbiting 1700mps and in pvp i lost it in first fight and get back to cruisers :)
What were you up against? Medium rapid missiles are kryptonite to this thing so if you happen upon a Caracal doing an anomaly it's best to observe it to see what it's running. If it's rapids, run.
Can we see you do drone boats like myrmidon
Looks like bombardment mode is purely for structure bashing.
I heard cskl gonna leaving the horde?
Is that true?
Great video. So when are the new player eve echoes video going to start that don't have 200mil ISK to spend on that setup. Would like to see if you can build some nice pvp/pve ships with 20mil to help have some fun with the game.
Two weeks into eve i had 200m in my account.... wasn’t to hard.
The Hound is a T6 Frigate. That gives people a long time to build up the skills/isk for this ship.
Just drop out the Faction Level Torps for Some Caldari Navy ones and its not too bad isk wise... For new players I guess the biggest expense is the warp disruptors which cost ~20m on their own. Hopefully the shorter range warp scrams will help this when they are available.
@@captainbenzie Fair enough, I stand corrected. All I meant was to say was that you could drop the Pithi launchers for cheaper Navy/Fleet level variants and still have fun with it.
You warped through that gate because it was sec: 0.0. I think , that's why your criminal timer didn't get you obliterated. if it was 0.1+, it would be - kaboom :) I made that mistake once too. Was not cheap lol.
It was 0.2 sec. In 0.0 sec u dont get a criminal timer ;) He was just very lucky.
@@aprilranger8671 Must have over looked it. I did not know you don't get the timer in Null - that's good to know.
nice job benzie now theyre gonna double in price lol
Welcome to Void
DAMN!!! HOW!! CRIMINAL GATE WARP HOW!!!
@@captainbenzie Damn, I really wanted to see you blasted by Concord in one of your streams, would have been very funny...
Incredible video i dont love this play style but you should get a commission on ship sales since you talked me into trying it.
Great vid as always Capt B! I just got me one of these, can't wait to try it out. It seems that this has the same problem as the Breacher Assault; at close range (10km) where you can use a warp disruptor, you are extremely vulnerable to being webbed and scrammed yourself, and then you will die! But at 30km, using bombard mode, you cannot scram them, so they will just warp away unless they're asleep. Like you say, I think this will only work in gang PvP, if someone else is scramming them for you.
What do you think of using target painters at a long range? They are effective when webs are not. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. Keep these vids coming please, love them!
@@captainbenzie You are right about the bombard mode, it's a bit crap! But speed tanking with 3 medium torpedoes, WOW!
Stealth targets can't bring you out of stealth even if they are sitting directly on top of you. One person must drop cloak in order to bring anything else out of cloak
oh boy hes in molden heath, well thats my cue to stop grinding...
I'm in molden heath/great wildland, i'd love to go against him 😇
Those VT kills are aaa
i would love to have a 1v1 captain B, between you and your hound and me and my thrasher fleet. I think you would take me by speed but I'm pretty sure I could give you a real close run for your money... much closer than the poor sap in video :D
I was flying trasher, until they give reset option, destro are not good in my opinion, i've gone for full cruiser with stabber, for soloing i think it's better
If you’re in a fleet you don’t decloak yourself or your fleet mates by being within 2km.
It doesnt get mods for it but 1 rml and 2 small missle launchers is better overall
I did the same at a gate but died on the other side lol
Bruh same
I learned that lesson in corax trainer and also almost lost nothing.
Hi
Do manticore video
Condolences for your recent ship losses
1.1m tick, bit underwhelming but for a frigate quite ok.
"Scan resolution is also pretty high for a frigate, ultimately these are designed to lock on at a fairly fast pace -- a key point we're looking at here".
No. No it isn't. Take another look. I think the bombers have LITERALLY the lowest there is amongst the frigates within each faction, and this detail DOES matter - a lot - given the use case of the ship. *PLEASE* actually bother to check these details before you make videos about ships, or it makes it very hard to trust anything you say and makes all of this content basically pointless; and I'm really trying to say that in as constructive a way as I can think to. This isn't a minor mistake; it's a major and deliberate balancing measure that makes the ship harder to use in the exact way most people will attempt to use it.
thats because of cloak i guess🤠
@@averageenjoyer2343 The hound has the lowest resolution of all the minmitar frigates - BEFORE the cloak.
Show me a lower one. It's cool, I'll wait.
@@jyonlyon i know its the lowest 🤯
8-)
Please ferox
easy, while there are no elites
@@captainbenzie they take a long time to understand (elite T7) , to t8, do not climb
@@captainbenzie we need to pump all the rockets into 5/5/5 )))