@@arphod I’ve been looking at the Brown Protein with a lot of interest. Have you ever tried it after the RYRA? I’ve found the only pedal I like before my Klone is the MXR Timmy.
Very honest review, thanks for that. Honestly, your tone is outstanding, pedals are pretty secondary since you have a great touch and sound to begin with
I love my Ryra. I’m sure you’re gonna get this from other comments but if you’re going to do an A/B of such similar pedals, a switcher is probably necessary. Good demo
Brilliant shoot out. The video was exactly what I was looking and hoping for - a straight up comparison with great playing and tone. Excellent job. Cheers.
I prefer the Ryra. It’s not hard to get that bright clear KTR tone from many other pedals but that warmer low mid tone of the Ryra is hard to replicate.
Regarding 4:55: It's wonderful to see someone remember that parts, in particular potentiometers, have tolerances. If two instances of the same circuit sound different, it may be that you need to dial in one to sound like the other; setting the pots to the same physical position is insufficient. In that sense two original Klons will sound as different as the difference between an original Klon and a Klone. So it was refreshing to see you try dialing things in at 5:15.
I have the tumnus deluxe and the warm audio centavo...both just out of this world fantastic tones in these and very different ranges despite the similarities
I ordered a Klon KTR in January 2021 and got a delivery message yesterday! It will arrive on Saturday ... provided I will have 395 Euros ready at my doorstep to pay for it ;-) After owning three original Centaurs, I'm glad I will have another pedal from the source itself. There are a lot of great sounding Clones and the RYRA is one of the best ... but in my view, the KTR is still a real Klon, even if it's made differently.
Another thing to bear in mind if you're hearing a difference is how you've got the pedals chained together - The RYRA's buffer going into the KTR or the KTR's buffer coming after the RYRA could skew your perception as they will react different.
Good demo! Both of these are great. I’ve tried both and I’ve gotta say in a band situation the way the KTR tucks in the low end and it’s specific eq curve in the midrange gives it a big edge on the RYRA. The KTR also has a smoother breakup throughout its gain range. RYRA is a great pedal regardless! Just feels like when I’ve gigged both the KTR was really really designed for someone to be playing/sitting in the mix. So far haven’t found a copy that’s nailed it to the same level of detail! Shame it’s gone into silly money second hand. No overdrive pedal is worth over £500…
Bought a RYRA Klone 3 years ago, and have never regretted that purchase. Beautiful sounding across a myriad of settings, and a phenomenal "always on" pedal.
Great review, very helpful! Beside the Sound of the Pedals, which i found you compared very well, the Clean sound you get out of the Axe is Amazing. I didn`t know that it takes pedals so well. But what i like most is the way you play guitar and make music with it. Great touch, choice of notes and feel. cheers
The Klon or Klones of, are often used for always on pedals to sweeten/clean boost. They hit the first tube, or preamp stage nicely. So it would be interesting to do the same demo with a high end tube amp. None of my gain pedals sounds exactly the same into my fractal, vs tube amp. 2¢
As much as I love my helix...it is a demo like this that makes me miss my tube amps. I'm required by law to use generic adjectives to describe guitar tone but it is a very organic tone. And if it can sound good through my phone's speakers i know it sounds amazing sitting in front of that amp. Edit....just read the description and realized you are playing the axefx....well shit I'm confused now 🤣🤣🤣
There could be (and very likely is) a difference in the tolerance of the pots which could be why they don't sound exactly the same with the exact same settings
I agree. I don’t know why people get so hung up on the position of the knobs. Just dial it in and see if you can get them to sound similar to whatever you’re trying to emulate.
The figuring in that headstock was worth the price alone. I use my Klone mainly as an overdrive and I really never use it as a boost, but It’s great for that too.
I ordered a Klon KTR in february 2021, so that's almost two years ago now. I already had a Klon klone and I really liked the sound and for the first time in decades (literally) I didn't really know what to do with my money and I decided to go for the KTR. €395,- I'm fine with it. It's okay. But I still don't have it. They told me a couple of months ago they were expecting them in october, last month. Two weeks back I received a letter (Thomann) in which they asked me if I wanted to stay on the list, because it could take another 2 years and then they would get only 10 KTRs for the whole of Europe!!! I decided to stay on that waiting list. But by now I don't even really care about the KTR anymore. I just can't stand the idea of me already waiting for almost 2 years for nothing. To be honest, I don't know what I'd do when I finally get it. I'll probably try it and if I like it I might keep it. But I have so many gain pedals and I'm completely satisfied with the tones I have, so I don't NEED a Klon. This means that I might as well sell it for a ridiculous amount of money. If I really wanted that Klon sound now, I would be perfectly happy with the Ryra, a Wampler Tumnus Mini, a J.Rocket Archer, or even an EHX Soulfood (the Soulfood sounds great, nothing wrong with it!). It just feels weird to wait so long for a pedal that I know I don't need and I might not even keep it.
The Tumnus mini is voiced with more low end which works great with a Strat. I love one. But splitting hairs the voice of the Klon is not of bass but of cutting high mids. Don’t know why Brian Wampler went that way but it seems to be favored by many so..
I think both pedals sound very good.After spending tens of thousands on gear( just to have the pleasure of owning "one of them" for a while) it ends up like this.In the final mix,one pedal can sound"slightly" better on one track and the other pedal better on another.
My KTR settings are the same as yours. I used it as a clean boost at first, but it sounds that good that it's now just on all the time and is my clean tone.
I think to really dig into this, one would have to get a couple of Klons and a couple of Klones, to figure out if there's really a difference between the sound of the Klon and the Klone, or if you're hearing a level of difference that would also be present between two Klons and two Klones, just from part tolerances. Bill Finnegan wasn't making his own parts and he wasn't casting magic spells while making them.
Funny, I had a Klone phase a couple of years back and the one I kept was the RYRA, which is still on my board. I modded it by replacing the diodes to D9Es which have a lower forward voltage than the stock ones. Improved it a little. But it’s funny how pedals play with our psyche isn’t it? We all know we could achieve lots of the sounds with a Boss GE7 and yet that’s not very sexy, psychologically.
I did an analysis of the frequencies on a Mosky Silver Horse & Tumnus & they are so close you aren't going to tell the difference. People hear with their eyes. I just had someone tell me you can't hear component tolerance difference on my FF build & the topper is there is 10% difference on the resistors. So in short people will always assume the OG stuff is the better hence adding to the rise in cost because of ignorance. With an eq on your board you can easily tweak any sound.
I wouldn't expect the KTR to sound exactly like the original version of the Klon. I think Bill Finnegan even said when the KTR was introduced that he had done some minor tweaks to the original circuit. Certain parts were no longer available, etc., if I recall correctly. The KTR sounds great in any case. Love that RYRA Klone, though. Definitely has the magic.
thank you so much for turning me onto the idea of having it on the board as a pure clean boost. i was always running my klon clone on a higher gain setting to have the "magic diodes" engaged. i liked the sound of that as well. but running it with the gain off does something really nice to a single coil guitar. awesome!
worth noting, while bill finnegan swears the KTR is close enough to the OG clone that you shouldn't be able to notice much of a difference, having owned both they definitely felt different to me. I've tried a number of clones that felt closer to the original klon to me than the KTR did. Not really that shocked that the other klon clone you bought was doing it for you more than the KTR.
As a pedal addict but almost reformed. Just about have it under control, the klon pedal has never interested me for some reason. However, I have the tumnus on one side of the Wampler gearbox and I do like it. But I have some overdrives I put the gain down and volume up and sculpt the amp’s distortion into what I think is a better sound. One is the LPD 68 deluxe. I rarely use it alone but as I said into the amp’s distortion it’s perfect. Great playing as always Paul.
I have the Boss OD-200, which has a Klon clone built-in, I figured this single pedal will cover a lot of sounds when paired with my Katana 100, I use the GAFC and the Airstep, I still need a few more pedals, something with a lot of spacy effects would be best. Single-effect pedals seem a little outdated, I do like the simplicity of a big stack of pedals but condensing them down makes a lot of sense too, so many choices it gets a bit mind-boggling, especially when every new pedal gets rave reviews.
Love your videos ( since I was looking for Fjord EMBLA demo , and bought it !)....Very clever, clean sounds, OD, superb tones ! Keep on rockin’ 👍. French fan here 🇫🇷🎸🥰
Have you tried the ARC Klone? It's also very good, tho I would love to see you give it this same test! Your playing, as usual, is amazing sir! Thank you for this video!
I found after a while that the Ryra sounded warmer and more valvey, this is my initial thought. Thanks for this Paul, great demo as usual, I'll be weighing up the two then buying one, just bought a Marshall DSL 40CR which is nice for the price but could do with a nice touch of crispness in an overdrive, as I think it's a bit wooley, could be me though as i've just got it, but the clean sound nice for an edge of break-up so one of these pedals I hope will achieve that.
Well done! Nice, straightforward demo. Even with what sounds like a reverb-enriched sound, the nature of each of these effects shows through. IMO, the quality of both far outweighs the minor differences, most of which can be dealt with by using the guitar, and if necessary the amp, tone controls. Players who really obsess about the differences between these two boxes, or other klones are, I think, getting too far into the weeds. Do you really "need" one rather than the other? I had an original gold horsie Klon that I bought for $400 and sold for $5K to one of the most respected guitarists in the U S of A. I used some of that money to get a first run KTR (for about $150, if I recall correctly) which I eventually sold for $600 when I bought my present klone, the Rimrock Effects Mythical Overdrive (I considered the Ryra, too, but just hate the enclosure art!). Point is: I could perceive slight differences at every step of this series of pedals, but none was genuinely impactful or unable to be adjusted. Personally, I wish Bill Finnegan, whose research and prototyping and testing yielded this circuit, ought to get $10 for every klon-type pedal sold. What an impact! Anbd thanks for this video.
Quite the racket coming from the pedals when turned up without playing anything. Soon as you finish playing you shut down the vol immediately so we miss the racket?
Same… the KTR I didn’t like at all for high. I never turn my gain that high anyway so it would really make a difference to me. But I totally agree with how you heard it.
Paul, Good comparison. Thanks! I just saw this video today. Have you had a look at the PRS Horsemeat? It's not a clone, but was definitely inspired by Klon.
You are an excellent guitar player !!! My compliments 👍👍👍 But I see a Gretsch at the background , probably with a bigsby . You do the subtile tremelo moves on the Strat but what better would they sound with a bigsby .
Bill was supposed to be producing these again. Supposedly he does make 2 or 3 and send to shops but I've not seen any pop up yet. I know he's also made a few centaurs for friends to sell on eBay as well
great video and love your honesty about these two pedals. Just wondering how an Electro Harmonix Soul Food pedal would compare in this mix ? I've read that the Soul Food is a Klon Centaur clone pedal too ? Peace !
The KTR is a klon clone made by bill Finnegan the original Maker of the klon it's a clone because the insides and the circuit board are completely different than the original Klon and it's as different as any other clone is from the original klon different diodes as well.
Great comparison. The only time I hear a difference worth noting was the high gain setting. Personally liked the warmer tone from the KTR but g dang I love that Ryra
Great video. I like your point around that they both sounded really good. I thought the tone overall was smashing from either one. I always have a Klon "clone" on my pedalboard. Own a few different ones and they get the job done. BTW...I put a twang banger pickup in my Eric Johnson Strat thanks to your video. Loving it!. Cheers.
5 yrs ago I read about the Meat and 3 modded Soul Food and how close to a Klon. Found 1 someone did at home and was selling used. Got it for $83 and couldn't be happier. Heard a TH-cam test of a JHS model against the Klon can pretty much hear mine in it. 1 of 3 modded drives on my board. The other 2 are a Alchemy modded BD-2 and a bias knob modded older 3 knob Tube driver that I run at 18v and use a 12av7 tube. Together these have a lot of diversity and sound.
When I was an '80s teenager I had something similar to a Tube Driver. Dean Markely Overlord. It was black with red fonts. I thought the valve in it would make the Crate solid state amp sound better. I can't remember if it did or not. I do remember it needed to be plugged into the wall though. I now know that means the ECC83 valve ran on the proper voltages, unlike all the stuff that had what they call a 'marketing tube' in it. That means it was probably a serious piece of gear I guess. In those days I went to gigs in Auckland where most players used a Marshall half stack. Loud was allowed back then. Going back home to my solid state amp was not nice. Then I got a made in NZ valve amp called a Holden that ran a pair of KT88s (the amps AC/DC began on). I had a Fane Medusa speaker for it but no cab for the speaker lol. Imports were super expensive, so Kiwi kids made do with whatever we could get. It was decent enough until I destroyed it in a fit of teenage rage when it developed a fault. Duh me huh. Even more duh was when I was 16. I traded the first guitar I bought with my own money. A 1955 Gibson Southern Jumbo. $1100 NZD I paid. I walked out with a crappy Cort electric, a Boss HM-2, and a NZ made solid state amp. I though I had done well getting all that new stuff for an old guitar. Super duh. I have a few more brains these days -- hopefully. :D
Would be interesting to hear a comparison between the Ryra and the StewMac Ghost drive. I think most of the hype about some pedals is just hype. In a mix.....you would be hard pressed to hear the difference between many of them. For those who watch the JHS show would know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they tend to point out that even many of the least expensive pedals offer greats sounds. I for one am a big fan of the Plumes. FYI, I think this was a great video but would benefit from an AB switch when comparing pedals as you can then hear the 2 closer together without the delay.
Hi Paul..i know its a pedal vid, but re your strat...is it a custom shop ? & if so, how do you think it squares up to the Ultra models, and do you think it is worth the £outlay? Thanks ..great vid as per!
The Ultras a great, although I’m not a fan of noiseless pickups and I like relic guitars. For that reason I choose custom shop. Personally I do think it’s worth the extra outlay.
I'd be happy with the Ryra. Potato potaato - the difference in tone is negligible and not worth the massive hike in the price of the KTR, never mind the original Klon.
I’m waiting for another new guitar day Paul. It makes my day. 😉 ps I can’t help but think only guitarists hear these differences. When I ask a non guitarist can u hear the difference?! No is their typical answer. We have special ears 👂.
Just because the KTR is made by bill Finnegan the same person who made the original Klon doesn't make it the original Klon it's still a clone because the diodes and the breadboard and the circuits are different.
I like this video. I do have an RYRA and a Zendrive and love them both and stacked together. I ask use a Behringer TO800 which was only $25 and it sounds better than my old ts9 .
Back in the day I had a JHS Klone and I regret selling it. I also had an early Archer (Jeff) and I liked that one too. Currently I have the original Tumnus and although it’s voiced different, especially compared to the JHS, I like it and use it as a solo boost.
So, gotta say: this guy's playing is truly GREAT. In a sea of mediocre players this guy really has feeling, taste, and touch... and I'm pretty discerning. Keep up the soulful playing, bro!
I dig the channel, and agree with most of your conclusions, but not this one. I don't use my KTR as a clean boost, and if that's what you're using it for, there are better preamps. Once you engage the gain, even if you can match "A single tone" from it (my timnus can easily), you'll have a hard time matching its dynamic response across a range. The response doesn't change properly with fret position, or the force the string being struck. Its the same thing with Modelers vs Tube Amps, or a tube amp not turned passed "1": it just doesn't breath right. There's a missing harmonic richness to it. Is it "close enough" for most of us? ...Probably, but it's not the same.
Thanks for the great video! Appears to be 2 George L cables in and out of the KTR? One George L in and a Neutrik out of the Ryra? Cables do introduce an audible difference in tone. My George L's have more high end than other cables I own. I wonder if this accounts for the somewhat darker tone of the Ryra? Just a thought.
So glad I never bought into all the Klon hype. It just sounds like a tube screamer with the mids hump in a different frequency range (just watch the Shnobel comparison video: Klon vs vintage tube screamer), and I do not like mids hump overdrives.
Had a silver klon for about 5 yrs. Liked it but didn’t always have it on the board. Got a proanalog manticore v2 after seeing it a/b’d with the klon on TPS. Manticore needs dialling in but is close enough for me and is more versatile imo. Couldn’t justify keeping the klon after that and that was when they were changing hands for 1k. Now 5k?!! Madness
@@TheStudioRats "Klon'ed out" - great! Not that I have ever had the chance to play an original Klon. But what I'ved heard and read is that there were sound differences between the silver and the gold versions of the pedal. Maybe the KTR tends more to the silver version and the Ryra to the gold one.
I went on a klone buying spree a couple years back and you know what I worked out is my favourite pedal to use in the transparent drive space….. boss od3 else’s of what the pedal actually is it fit perfectly for me
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I sold my original Klon for a crazy amount of money. I bought a RYRA and I don't miss the original at all. Less noise and more compact.
smart ;)
Good move. Just boxes and pcbs and wires.
To me: the Ryra are better looking, better made, cheaper and sound as good as the KTR.
I ordered a ryra a couple years ago and have barely turned it off since. It is absolutely perfect for me. Could not be happier
With a Strat I completely agree.
I actually prefer the Ryra. The brightness of the KTR is a bit much to me. I like the throaty sound too.
Same. My RYRA Klone is always on my board. It stacks so well with other pedals.
I run a Browne Protein into a RYRA, with an HSS Strat. That combo sorted all my overdrive needs, after looking around for three years.
@@arphod I’ve been looking at the Brown Protein with a lot of interest. Have you ever tried it after the RYRA? I’ve found the only pedal I like before my Klone is the MXR Timmy.
Very honest review, thanks for that. Honestly, your tone is outstanding, pedals are pretty secondary since you have a great touch and sound to begin with
I love my Ryra. I’m sure you’re gonna get this from other comments but if you’re going to do an A/B of such similar pedals, a switcher is probably necessary. Good demo
I bought the Klon KTR new a few years ago for about $ 275 Canadian ..I love the thing , great pedal.
Brilliant shoot out. The video was exactly what I was looking and hoping for - a straight up comparison with great playing and tone. Excellent job. Cheers.
I prefer the Ryra. It’s not hard to get that bright clear KTR tone from many other pedals but that warmer low mid tone of the Ryra is hard to replicate.
Regarding 4:55: It's wonderful to see someone remember that parts, in particular potentiometers, have tolerances. If two instances of the same circuit sound different, it may be that you need to dial in one to sound like the other; setting the pots to the same physical position is insufficient. In that sense two original Klons will sound as different as the difference between an original Klon and a Klone. So it was refreshing to see you try dialing things in at 5:15.
I have the tumnus deluxe and the warm audio centavo...both just out of this world fantastic tones in these and very different ranges despite the similarities
Do you like the centavo? I'm interested in buying one but it's a difficult choice because there are so many clones..
@@timh7180 it's amazing
Thanks mate. Thought my ryra was doing the job but it’s always nice to hear some one else give it props. Nice job
I've never been really impressed by Klon style pedal demos but I think you have really great tone throughout this comparison.
I ordered a Klon KTR in January 2021 and got a delivery message yesterday! It will arrive on Saturday ... provided I will have 395 Euros ready at my doorstep to pay for it ;-) After owning three original Centaurs, I'm glad I will have another pedal from the source itself. There are a lot of great sounding Clones and the RYRA is one of the best ... but in my view, the KTR is still a real Klon, even if it's made differently.
Another thing to bear in mind if you're hearing a difference is how you've got the pedals chained together - The RYRA's buffer going into the KTR or the KTR's buffer coming after the RYRA could skew your perception as they will react different.
They don’t have true bypass?
Good demo! Both of these are great. I’ve tried both and I’ve gotta say in a band situation the way the KTR tucks in the low end and it’s specific eq curve in the midrange gives it a big edge on the RYRA. The KTR also has a smoother breakup throughout its gain range. RYRA is a great pedal regardless! Just feels like when I’ve gigged both the KTR was really really designed for someone to be playing/sitting in the mix. So far haven’t found a copy that’s nailed it to the same level of detail! Shame it’s gone into silly money second hand. No overdrive pedal is worth over £500…
I run the Ryra into a Mesa Rectoverb 25 to brighten things up while playing at bedroom levels. It works great!
Bought a RYRA Klone 3 years ago, and have never regretted that purchase. Beautiful sounding across a myriad of settings, and a phenomenal "always on" pedal.
bought the demonfx klon for just a fraction of the price. it is the same.
Great review, very helpful! Beside the Sound of the Pedals, which i found you compared very well, the Clean sound you get out of the Axe is Amazing. I didn`t know that it takes pedals so well. But what i like most is the way you play guitar and make music with it. Great touch, choice of notes and feel. cheers
Cheers fella.
The Klon or Klones of, are often used for always on pedals to sweeten/clean boost. They hit the first tube, or preamp stage nicely. So it would be interesting to do the same demo with a high end tube amp. None of my gain pedals sounds exactly the same into my fractal, vs tube amp. 2¢
As much as I love my helix...it is a demo like this that makes me miss my tube amps. I'm required by law to use generic adjectives to describe guitar tone but it is a very organic tone. And if it can sound good through my phone's speakers i know it sounds amazing sitting in front of that amp. Edit....just read the description and realized you are playing the axefx....well shit I'm confused now 🤣🤣🤣
There could be (and very likely is) a difference in the tolerance of the pots which could be why they don't sound exactly the same with the exact same settings
I agree. I don’t know why people get so hung up on the position of the knobs. Just dial it in and see if you can get them to sound similar to whatever you’re trying to emulate.
Have 2 ryra pedals. Worth every penny.
Super cool comparison. Love your channel! ❤
The figuring in that headstock was worth the price alone. I use my Klone mainly as an overdrive and I really never use it as a boost, but It’s great for that too.
I ordered a Klon KTR in february 2021, so that's almost two years ago now. I already had a Klon klone and I really liked the sound and for the first time in decades (literally) I didn't really know what to do with my money and I decided to go for the KTR. €395,- I'm fine with it. It's okay. But I still don't have it. They told me a couple of months ago they were expecting them in october, last month. Two weeks back I received a letter (Thomann) in which they asked me if I wanted to stay on the list, because it could take another 2 years and then they would get only 10 KTRs for the whole of Europe!!!
I decided to stay on that waiting list. But by now I don't even really care about the KTR anymore. I just can't stand the idea of me already waiting for almost 2 years for nothing. To be honest, I don't know what I'd do when I finally get it. I'll probably try it and if I like it I might keep it. But I have so many gain pedals and I'm completely satisfied with the tones I have, so I don't NEED a Klon. This means that I might as well sell it for a ridiculous amount of money.
If I really wanted that Klon sound now, I would be perfectly happy with the Ryra, a Wampler Tumnus Mini, a J.Rocket Archer, or even an EHX Soulfood (the Soulfood sounds great, nothing wrong with it!).
It just feels weird to wait so long for a pedal that I know I don't need and I might not even keep it.
The Tumnus mini is voiced with more low end which works great with a Strat. I love one. But splitting hairs the voice of the Klon is not of bass but of cutting high mids. Don’t know why Brian Wampler went that way but it seems to be favored by many so..
I think both pedals sound very good.After spending tens of thousands on gear( just to have the pleasure of owning "one of them" for a while) it ends up like this.In the final mix,one pedal can sound"slightly" better on one track and the other pedal better on another.
Paul do yourself a favour get the king tone duellist ..is the best duel overdrive I’ve ever had 👍you are a great player my friend
lol, unnecessary
Since you have an Axe-FX III how about a comparison of the KTR with the Klone in the Axe?
If you have them all in line in front of the amp, the buffers may be affecting how bright or dark the pedals sound when comparing them.
My KTR settings are the same as yours. I used it as a clean boost at first, but it sounds that good that it's now just on all the time and is my clean tone.
I think to really dig into this, one would have to get a couple of Klons and a couple of Klones, to figure out if there's really a difference between the sound of the Klon and the Klone, or if you're hearing a level of difference that would also be present between two Klons and two Klones, just from part tolerances. Bill Finnegan wasn't making his own parts and he wasn't casting magic spells while making them.
Funny, I had a Klone phase a couple of years back and the one I kept was the RYRA, which is still on my board. I modded it by replacing the diodes to D9Es which have a lower forward voltage than the stock ones. Improved it a little. But it’s funny how pedals play with our psyche isn’t it? We all know we could achieve lots of the sounds with a Boss GE7 and yet that’s not very sexy, psychologically.
Two words: Excalibur syndrome.
I built the StewMac Ghost Drive, great OD pedal, definitely worth checkin out.
I did an analysis of the frequencies on a Mosky Silver Horse & Tumnus & they are so close you aren't going to tell the difference. People hear with their eyes. I just had someone tell me you can't hear component tolerance difference on my FF build & the topper is there is 10% difference on the resistors. So in short people will always assume the OG stuff is the better hence adding to the rise in cost because of ignorance. With an eq on your board you can easily tweak any sound.
And some people play out of tune and can’t hear it so…
@@rjo8500 I don't play out of tune so I can hear it. I stand by what I say.
I like the sound of the Ryra better.
I wouldn't expect the KTR to sound exactly like the original version of the Klon. I think Bill Finnegan even said when the KTR was introduced that he had done some minor tweaks to the original circuit. Certain parts were no longer available, etc., if I recall correctly. The KTR sounds great in any case. Love that RYRA Klone, though. Definitely has the magic.
thank you so much for turning me onto the idea of having it on the board as a pure clean boost. i was always running my klon clone on a higher gain setting to have the "magic diodes" engaged. i liked the sound of that as well. but running it with the gain off does something really nice to a single coil guitar. awesome!
Yeah, the clean boost aspect of the pedal is a little bit of magic.
worth noting, while bill finnegan swears the KTR is close enough to the OG clone that you shouldn't be able to notice much of a difference, having owned both they definitely felt different to me. I've tried a number of clones that felt closer to the original klon to me than the KTR did. Not really that shocked that the other klon clone you bought was doing it for you more than the KTR.
As a pedal addict but almost reformed. Just about have it under control, the klon pedal has never interested me for some reason. However, I have the tumnus on one side of the Wampler gearbox and I do like it. But I have some overdrives I put the gain down and volume up and sculpt the amp’s distortion into what I think is a better sound. One is the LPD 68 deluxe. I rarely use it alone but as I said into the amp’s distortion it’s perfect. Great playing as always Paul.
I have the Boss OD-200, which has a Klon clone built-in, I figured this single pedal will cover a lot of sounds when paired with my Katana 100, I use the GAFC and the Airstep, I still need a few more pedals, something with a lot of spacy effects would be best. Single-effect pedals seem a little outdated, I do like the simplicity of a big stack of pedals but condensing them down makes a lot of sense too, so many choices it gets a bit mind-boggling, especially when every new pedal gets rave reviews.
Love your videos ( since I was looking for Fjord EMBLA demo , and bought it !)....Very clever, clean sounds, OD, superb tones ! Keep on rockin’ 👍. French fan here 🇫🇷🎸🥰
Have you tried the ARC Klone? It's also very good, tho I would love to see you give it this same test! Your playing, as usual, is amazing sir! Thank you for this video!
Awesome playing and awesome Tone 👍
I have both great pedals great Demo 👍
The ktr is also brighter than the standard klon original. The ryra is more like the original klon not the KTR there is a difference.
I found after a while that the Ryra sounded warmer and more valvey, this is my initial thought. Thanks for this Paul, great demo as usual, I'll be weighing up the two then buying one, just bought a Marshall DSL 40CR which is nice for the price but could do with a nice touch of crispness in an overdrive, as I think it's a bit wooley, could be me though as i've just got it, but the clean sound nice for an edge of break-up so one of these pedals I hope will achieve that.
The original Klon was anything but warm. I think most ears prefer the klones. In any case a Klon as a solo boost in a band mix is amazing.
Do you think there is a different in the sound between the old diodes of the KTR and the new ones? Seems that KTR has the new ones
The closest one to my ears so far has been the Tumnus Deluxe, but I don't think any sound exactly like the original.
When I watched the Klone comparison on that pedal Show, I though the same thing. I've got a Silver Archer that sounds pretty good though.
Archer jeff mod and decibelics are both typically closer to original than the ktr...
The 3-band EQ was a genius move. Tumnus Deluxe is a modern classic.
RYRA is a no brainer if you're looking for a part for part Klone. They also hold their value very well.
Love my Ryra. I mostly use it as a clean boost because I also have an OCD but like you demoed you can crank it. Great playing.
that strat sounds incredible!
Killer flame on that neck, Paul. Nice to hear your opinion and comparison of the Ryra.
Hey Paul Ernie here, I just wanna thank you for saving me a few hundred bucks great video thanks
I heard the difference with the clone; the harmonics were a little less bright and the break-up distortion was a little chunkier. Nice comparison!
Well done! Nice, straightforward demo. Even with what sounds like a reverb-enriched sound, the nature of each of these effects shows through. IMO, the quality of both far outweighs the minor differences, most of which can be dealt with by using the guitar, and if necessary the amp, tone controls. Players who really obsess about the differences between these two boxes, or other klones are, I think, getting too far into the weeds. Do you really "need" one rather than the other? I had an original gold horsie Klon that I bought for $400 and sold for $5K to one of the most respected guitarists in the U S of A. I used some of that money to get a first run KTR (for about $150, if I recall correctly) which I eventually sold for $600 when I bought my present klone, the Rimrock Effects Mythical Overdrive (I considered the Ryra, too, but just hate the enclosure art!). Point is: I could perceive slight differences at every step of this series of pedals, but none was genuinely impactful or unable to be adjusted. Personally, I wish Bill Finnegan, whose research and prototyping and testing yielded this circuit, ought to get $10 for every klon-type pedal sold. What an impact! Anbd thanks for this video.
Great video. To my ears I can get the same tones out of my Earthquaker Special Cranker when it's set up right. $120...
Quite the racket coming from the pedals when turned up without playing anything. Soon as you finish playing you shut down the vol immediately so we miss the racket?
At full gain, the RYRA's sound was much more reminiscent of a tube screamer to me while the KTR might have been a little bit out of its comfort zone.
Same… the KTR I didn’t like at all for high. I never turn my gain that high anyway so it would really make a difference to me. But I totally agree with how you heard it.
Nailed it!
Paul,
Good comparison. Thanks! I just saw this video today. Have you had a look at the PRS Horsemeat? It's not a clone, but was definitely inspired by Klon.
Hi Allan, yes I reviewed it in the channel.
@@TheStudioRats Thanks, my mistake.
You are an excellent guitar player !!!
My compliments 👍👍👍
But I see a Gretsch at the background , probably with a bigsby .
You do the subtile tremelo moves on the Strat but what better would they sound with a bigsby .
Surface mount is fine . . . until you have to repair it. Through hole all the way. PS-- I am a RYRA dealer, for a reason, their pedals are amazing.
People are slowly getting accustomed to our new disposable world.
The Klon just sounds like a better quality circuit. The clone is good but not the same quality to my ears.
absolutely beautiful clean sound to begin with. Which amp model you using in the axe fx?
This is what I liked about the warm audio centavo the switch on the back to boost lows, have you tried this pedal?
What was the rest of the signal chain? Amp? Mic? Pre?
Great video!
Bill was supposed to be producing these again. Supposedly he does make 2 or 3 and send to shops but I've not seen any pop up yet. I know he's also made a few centaurs for friends to sell on eBay as well
With the acceptable variances allowed in components, this is a very convincing klone :)
Tumnus Deluxe rules the Klone wars with its active tone controls and added gain.
great video and love your honesty about these two pedals. Just wondering how an Electro Harmonix Soul Food pedal would compare in this mix ? I've read that the Soul Food is a Klon Centaur clone pedal too ? Peace !
I've never liked EHX pedals. They frequently have this "strangling" effect on the tone. Sounds that were wide open become a bit pinched.
@@donkeydarko77 Thanks !
The KTR is a klon clone made by bill Finnegan the original Maker of the klon it's a clone because the insides and the circuit board are completely different than the original Klon and it's as different as any other clone is from the original klon different diodes as well.
Great comparison. The only time I hear a difference worth noting was the high gain setting. Personally liked the warmer tone from the KTR but g dang I love that Ryra
Great video! I'd like to hear you demo the Warm Audio Centavo.
Just an FYI...Ryra Klone can be had for $200 or less on Reverb.
best $170 I ever spent.
Great video. I like your point around that they both sounded really good. I thought the tone overall was smashing from either one. I always have a Klon "clone" on my pedalboard. Own a few different ones and they get the job done. BTW...I put a twang banger pickup in my Eric Johnson Strat thanks to your video. Loving it!. Cheers.
5 yrs ago I read about the Meat and 3 modded Soul Food and how close to a Klon. Found 1 someone did at home and was selling used. Got it for $83 and couldn't be happier. Heard a TH-cam test of a JHS model against the Klon can pretty much hear mine in it. 1 of 3 modded drives on my board. The other 2 are a Alchemy modded BD-2 and a bias knob modded older 3 knob Tube driver that I run at 18v and use a 12av7 tube. Together these have a lot of diversity and sound.
When I was an '80s teenager I had something similar to a Tube Driver. Dean Markely Overlord. It was black with red fonts. I thought the valve in it would make the Crate solid state amp sound better. I can't remember if it did or not. I do remember it needed to be plugged into the wall though. I now know that means the ECC83 valve ran on the proper voltages, unlike all the stuff that had what they call a 'marketing tube' in it. That means it was probably a serious piece of gear I guess.
In those days I went to gigs in Auckland where most players used a Marshall half stack. Loud was allowed back then. Going back home to my solid state amp was not nice. Then I got a made in NZ valve amp called a Holden that ran a pair of KT88s (the amps AC/DC began on). I had a Fane Medusa speaker for it but no cab for the speaker lol. Imports were super expensive, so Kiwi kids made do with whatever we could get. It was decent enough until I destroyed it in a fit of teenage rage when it developed a fault. Duh me huh.
Even more duh was when I was 16. I traded the first guitar I bought with my own money. A 1955 Gibson Southern Jumbo. $1100 NZD I paid. I walked out with a crappy Cort electric, a Boss HM-2, and a NZ made solid state amp. I though I had done well getting all that new stuff for an old guitar. Super duh. I have a few more brains these days -- hopefully. :D
Would be interesting to hear a comparison between the Ryra and the StewMac Ghost drive. I think most of the hype about some pedals is just hype. In a mix.....you would be hard pressed to hear the difference between many of them. For those who watch the JHS show would know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they tend to point out that even many of the least expensive pedals offer greats sounds. I for one am a big fan of the Plumes.
FYI, I think this was a great video but would benefit from an AB switch when comparing pedals as you can then hear the 2 closer together without the delay.
I have both, usually go with the RYRA.
Wow the KTR looks like it wasn't hand wired. not the circuit board anyways, Am I wrong here?
I bought the KTR because it’s a klon……just wanted the real thing!
Hi Paul..i know its a pedal vid, but re your strat...is it a custom shop ? & if so, how do you think it squares up to the Ultra models, and do you think it is worth the £outlay?
Thanks ..great vid as per!
The Ultras a great, although I’m not a fan of noiseless pickups and I like relic guitars. For that reason I choose custom shop. Personally I do think it’s worth the extra outlay.
I'd be happy with the Ryra. Potato potaato - the difference in tone is negligible and not worth the massive hike in the price of the KTR, never mind the original Klon.
I’m waiting for another new guitar day Paul. It makes my day. 😉 ps I can’t help but think only guitarists hear these differences. When I ask a non guitarist can u hear the difference?! No is their typical answer. We have special ears 👂.
Hey Jack, the NGD might be a while as I’m saving for a new house. It’s true it’s only us that cares. X
Just because the KTR is made by bill Finnegan the same person who made the original Klon doesn't make it the original Klon it's still a clone because the diodes and the breadboard and the circuits are different.
seems like the Klone retains some of the lower mid bettter than the KTR to me? i love the klone. had mine for years!
The cleaner sounds really shine with this type of boost don't they?! Lovely sounds, Paul.
I like this video. I do have an RYRA and a Zendrive and love them both and stacked together. I ask use a Behringer TO800 which was only $25 and it sounds better than my old ts9 .
can you tell me what pick ups you have in your strat i have the ultra lux but sounds nothing like yours i also had the gilmore strat still not close
Some tasty playing there Paul. Here's hoping santa drops a RYRA. Can't justify the extra for the Klon. Both sound great to me though👌
Honestly go with the RYRA, it’s exactly the same
Great vid Paul. It might be time to sell my ARC Klone. Cheers, Max
Back in the day I had a JHS Klone and I regret selling it. I also had an early Archer (Jeff) and I liked that one too. Currently I have the original Tumnus and although it’s voiced different, especially compared to the JHS, I like it and use it as a solo boost.
So, gotta say: this guy's playing is truly GREAT. In a sea of mediocre players this guy really has feeling, taste, and touch... and I'm pretty discerning. Keep up the soulful playing, bro!
Thank you.
No have a now broken KYRy. Got a J. Rockett Archer ikon to replace it and it's not quite the same
How come you didn’t try to get a Warm Audio Klon ? Availability? or don’t you think it would be any good ?
I prefered the Ryra. Did you try the Decibelics Golden Horse ?
I haven’t, I’ll check it out
Loving my Notaklon :)
I dig the channel, and agree with most of your conclusions, but not this one.
I don't use my KTR as a clean boost, and if that's what you're using it for, there are better preamps. Once you engage the gain, even if you can match "A single tone" from it (my timnus can easily), you'll have a hard time matching its dynamic response across a range. The response doesn't change properly with fret position, or the force the string being struck.
Its the same thing with Modelers vs Tube Amps, or a tube amp not turned passed "1": it just doesn't breath right. There's a missing harmonic richness to it.
Is it "close enough" for most of us? ...Probably, but it's not the same.
Thanks for the great video!
Appears to be 2 George L cables in and out of the KTR? One George L in and a Neutrik out of the Ryra?
Cables do introduce an audible difference in tone.
My George L's have more high end than other cables I own. I wonder if this accounts for the somewhat darker tone of the Ryra?
Just a thought.
So glad I never bought into all the Klon hype. It just sounds like a tube screamer with the mids hump in a different frequency range (just watch the Shnobel comparison video: Klon vs vintage tube screamer), and I do not like mids hump overdrives.
Had a silver klon for about 5 yrs. Liked it but didn’t always have it on the board. Got a proanalog manticore v2 after seeing it a/b’d with the klon on TPS. Manticore needs dialling in but is close enough for me and is more versatile imo.
Couldn’t justify keeping the klon after that and that was when they were changing hands for 1k. Now 5k?!! Madness
10:03: Yes, we do need more gain (always) 🙂 Great comparison! Have you tried the Warm Audio Centavo?
Not yet, I think I’m klon’ed out at the mo.
@@TheStudioRats "Klon'ed out" - great! Not that I have ever had the chance to play an original Klon. But what I'ved heard and read is that there were sound differences between the silver and the gold versions of the pedal. Maybe the KTR tends more to the silver version and the Ryra to the gold one.
I went on a klone buying spree a couple years back and you know what I worked out is my favourite pedal to use in the transparent drive space….. boss od3 else’s of what the pedal actually is it fit perfectly for me
Cheers for the tip