Kinda funny how when I started mtb and only had my hardtail, I'd watch videos about fs bikes all the time. Now I've got a FS, and there's a dedicated hardtail channel I love watching!
I totally agree with this. I’ve had a Ti hardtail and I presently have a 21 year old Ti road bike that looks as good as the day I bought it. I’m in the process of buying another Ti bike for gravel. Ti lasts forever, looks beautiful and has such a nice ride quality. The only time it isn’t worth it is a full suspension (IMO). If you have the money, get one and get it custom made! You won’t regret it.
My ideal frame material is 7005 aluminum ( triple gauge). I like titanium as well but in my opinion 7005 is superior. Even though 7005 aluminum has some titanium in it ( 30 to 35 % ), 7005 is the perfect mixture for metal.
As much as I like titanium, I want to remind people that frame material is not the single most important aspect of a bike. That said, all other things being equal, I'll choose ti.
If you hold onto your bike 20+ years Titanium would be worth it for sure! However, good steel can last that long too, but requires a bit more care. I used frame saver in one. My latest steel frame is ed coated internally for rust resistance. I may not treat that bike with frame saver. Still, outer aesthetic, and pure toughness and strength to weight ratio of a bare Ti frame surely takes the cake. Wow, no way to beat that!. If I could have found a Ti frame for only twice as much as steel, I may have gone for it. Most were around 3 time more expensive than the steel Rey. 853/4130 mix frame I bought, which weighed about 4.5 lbs. The same basic frame in Ti would have weighed a bit less than 4 lbs. While titanium has always glistened from afar, beckoning my attention, I'm happy to own the high end steel that I have.
I started off on a steel Rocky Mountain hammer but after about 2 years of riding I met the Lynskey’s from Litespeed at the Toronto bike show. They had the Ocoee and Obed in the display booth and it was at that moment I realized I was going to have a titanium bike. About a year later after saving up enough money I purchased an Obed. I rode that bike for a long time even after I had purchased my first full suspension bike. Recently, I have had thoughts about the Yeti Arc but I still keep looking at titanium from RSD(close to me) and from Stanton. Thanks for the video. P.S. I see Stanton has another package ready to be shipped your way. Can’t wait to see that one.
Great channel...I'll add my twopence.... I've been lucky enough to have worked as a bike mechanic, then owned my own shop, then mtb holidays here in CZ and now also running a bike service..... While in the UK I got to test ride bike for UK mags and with owning a shop got to change bikes more than is reasonable! Ti...the wonder material....Everything that you mention is true....looks great/ride great/lightweight/durable....?/doesn't rust/'frame for life' as we used to say! My first Ti frame was a Cove Hummer....cracked on the seatstay by the brake mount. Second Ti frame was a custom Litespeed, built around a 120mm fork with a slack'ER' head angle, sliding dropouts, full length routing and welded in bosses....this was 2004.... This one cracked as well....but Litespeed honored the lifetime warranty and fixed it..... So in my experience Ti in likely to crack (but maybe I kept them longer and rode them harder!! ;-) Very tempted to get another Ti hardtail though...now that geometry has progressed so much! :-)
I treated myself to the Why Big Iron last fall, although I wanted the Ti Mayor originally Alex said it may be a year before coming back in stock and I couldn't wait that long. I love my bike, Ti forever.
Got my first titanium bike a year ago. It was always my wish to have one. After dealing with full rigid steel in school years ago, through cheap (and heavy!) Steel full suspension and then aluminium hardtail I was finally able to afford titanium. Raw, unpainted, internal cable routing and the way it ride is just another level. Perfect all-rounder, easy to clean and maintain due to lack of rear suspension. It's not as rigid as aluminium, smoothing out some bumps and potholes (to some degree of course). I can definitely recommend for someone who is looking for a hardtail bike for an every day exploring and fun. Too expensive for commuting though, but the same can be said about carbon.
I've got a Lynskey Sportive Ti road bike, Lynskey GR300 Gravel bike, Motobecane Ti hardtail and love them all. I've had carbon road bikes and still have a Specialized Stumpy Carbon ; great bikes but stress over damaging them; no worries with carbon!
Buying my first Ti HT (26in) in '99 spoiled me forever. I sold it in '03 when I started getting into 29ers. FFwd to the present, and now I own 2 Ti HTs, a Ti rim brake CX, and a disc brake CX. Ti for life!
Late to this video...I have had two Ti bikes. One is a Dean Colonel from the 1990s; set up in pure early 90s style (XTR and lots of purple anodized parts). The other is a Kona Raijin, c. 2010, made by Lynskey. This is my go-to ride a lot of days...sweet ride, snappy, just a perfect bike. Keep up the great videos.
I am still riding my litespeed obed 2007 with easton haven carbón wheels and more modern parts…with the last adition Specialized ground control tyres and an insert in the back wheel is better than ever
I just bought a Curve GMX+ with 800mm Remlaw bars and that bike had me scratching my head. It was intended for bikepacking, but now I'm hitting my local trails and having a blast. You'd love their downrock.
Just got a Lynskey Live Wire TI hardtail and love it, a pound or so heavier than same size carbon hardtail but it rides much smoother and also love the look of raw TI😎
The dream bike for me is a custom ti frame, ti fork, and ti bars. Someday, although i do like steel frames a lot, mostly because while you have to care for them a bit more to prevent rust they are cheap to repair and modify. You can add braze-ons, gussets, fix dents add dimples for tire clearance etc. Also while most manufacturers just paint steel frames, because its a pretty reactive metal in comparison to ti there are actually a lot more unique finishing options. Alu and ti can be anodized sure, but what about plating? or patina? or blueing? leaving brazed fillets exposed? Steel just has the potential to be a very expressive and diy friendly material.
I've ridden many bikes. Never was fortune enough to own a titanium frame. I love the feeling and weight of my 97' Tange prestige ultralight steel frame - handmade by Rocky Mountain in Canada. It has Ritchey chainstays.
The "Binary Maniac" has myself seriously looking towards a Titanium Frame. Why...Durable and with care will have a longer shelf life. That natural finish is so Gooood.
Just finished building up my first titanium bike a couple weeks ago, a Why s7 and I am loving it. I don't even want to load up my full sus. My heart wanted a Stanton switch9er ti but I had to get real and say I am not going to be riding the terrain that bike will excel in. After listening to, not watching, htp's videos on the supple7 and the power line time and time again, I decided to go with the supple7 and am extremely happy I did.
Awesome. Congrats on a rad bike. And props for being honest with yourself about the right bike for where you live. The switch9er is far more aggressive than it seems.
@@hardtailparty thank you for your reviews. They are extremely helpful when you " listen" to them and don't get distracted by the awesome trails and your great riding!
Going titanium was the best decision I ever made. I loved my Jamis Dragonslayer, but it was HEAVY and felt like it. Swapped it out with a Vassago Optimus Ti frame. A game changer. Maybe you could review one of Vassago's frames? The Optimus Ti is brilliant, although a little less slack than you may prefer. I believe they're based in Phoenix. Pretty cool company. Thanks for this review! I'd encourage anyone to go Ti.
I have a TI road bike and I friggin' love it. Some of the the roads in Nor Cal are borderline 'off-road' with all the bumps and pot holes. My titanium frame (paired with a carbon fork) smooths out all those rough spots, while still giving me good response when I smash down on the pedals. I'd love to get another titanium frame for my mountain bike (currently riding an old 26' aluminum SC Chameleon)
I still have an old 1998 Kona King Kahuna Ti that I ride as a townie and just recently built a custom titanium fatbike based on my Banshee Paradox geo with a 140mm Mastodon. It rides so amazingly well!
@@jakethurston5962 I went through Waltly. The modern geo is a game changer on a fat bike for where I live in the BC Rockies, it climbs so much better and the dh's are awesome. The industry needs to catch up.
My Cove Hummer is my go-to bike. I love it. Light, great ride and never loses its appeal. That said, I've got a Stanton Switch9er Ti on order so ask me in a few months when its built up!
My first titanium bike was a Performance brand mountain bike. I next had am Aeon road bike (made in Jerome AZ), I have a Serotta Legend Ti, I had a Seven Expat Ti that I sold. I guess I would have to say that I love Titanium...
I've ridden steel, alloy, and carbon. My old steel El Mariachi was super comfortable and compliant. My Fuse 29 felt good as well. I've ridden a Honzo ST that felt jarring on bumps. I agree with you...any frame material can be good or bad, it just depends on how it's engineered and built. I think my next bike may be a Canfield Nimble 9 based on your review!
I haven't owned or tried any titanium frame before, but my lovely wife ordered a Pässila Rämäkkä Regular TI frame for my 40th anniversary. Can't wait to try it out in a couple of weeks or so :)
I’m a huge fan of Ti frames for all the reasons that you stated. I also love steel frames and although they don’t have the corrosion resistance of Ti, they definitely have the strength and durability along with the metal ride quality that’s missing compared to carbon and aluminum. I’m not saying that all carbon and aluminum frames don’t have ride quality feel, many companies have intentionally engineered that into their frames and Steve talks about how some aluminum and carbon frames that have a great feel. When you get a high quality frame and choose and spec your build, you really want a frame that is going to bring it all together. If you want a frame that will last a lifetime, choose Ti. Just my thoughts
Had a 98 Tomac edition Raleigh Ti Mtn with SLX, it was ok. Best part of that bike was the grip shift shifters. Had A Litespeed Tuscany Ti Road with Ultegra, absolutely loved that bike.
Titanium actually oxidizes extremely _easily_, and the oxide is what protects it from further oxidizing. Aluminum is similar but the oxide layer isn't as protective unless it's applied in a controlled manner (anodization). It's also the reason that you have to fill the frame with gas when welding, because oxidation happens way faster at high temperature.
Preach Martin! As a materials engineer (mostly metallurgist) I'm always amazed at the misinformation out there on metal corrosion. I agree with HP though about frame material. Give me something with some flaw tolerance any day. Carbon composites freak me out.
My road bike is a titanium Colnago from the mid-90's. My next road/gravel bike will likely be a custom Ti frame - probably from Engin. I almost bought a titanium Vassago a few years ago, but it didn't happen. I do generally like carbon over aluminum. Carbon is generally easier/cheaper to get repaired.
Well Steve I pulled the trigger and put money down on. Pre-order RSD Titanium Mayor V5 frame and carbon fork. Going to use I9 hubs and remaining parts will come off my Surly Pugsley. I am going to set it up single speed. Wanted to get another steel single speed 29+ plus this year but bikes/frames we’re unavailable. So I went with the dream 💭 of a Titanium frame. Frame and fork won’t land until November so I will continue to ride the Pugsley then sell the frame with the Mayor arrives. Really looking forward to experiencing my first Titanium bike!!!
Enjoyed your video. 😀 I still have a 2010 or 2011 Salsa El-Mariachi Ti with 1&1/8th" headtube, 27.2 seatpost, & not much room for modern wider tyres. It's my favourite (and most long-lasting) bike by far. The angles are a bit steep & 'old school' - so I have to take it easy and back right off if it hit rough trail sections at speed (I have just turned 60 and I'm a bit of a wimp LOL.) Timmy, Southern England.
Actually Titanium does corrode. It just doesnt corrode like steel. The oxidized layer serves as a protection from further damage. Contrary to steel where rust penetrates the material.
It's not ti but I've got an On One 456 evo in the 'raw' finish which a clear coat that seems to be semi-porous. The frame has rusted a bit, especially at the welds or where I've knocked the finish and it looks flipping awesome. With the amount I fall off and crash any painted frame would look rough in no time but this one just gets better and better!
Never had the opportunity to ride a Ti bike. Would love to though. I see a guy at my local trail riding a Ti rig and it looks great and he can rip on that thing.
Great 📸 Ti for me 😉 Looking to go likely to new Ti geo but I ride a bike from your neighborhood by Daryl Roberts back when Form Cycles was kicking ✌️ PS I missed out on the Solaris Max TI should of grabbed one 😐
I have a full rigid titanium bike and fork. I do everything with it. I sold all my bicycles who were aluminium and metal. Now I have 6 titanium from fat bike to road bike.
There are some great to frames coming out of china. Why cycles and binary are two that come to mind. It all depends on the design of the bike and which builder is making them.
You say Ti doesn't oxidize. Actually it does. Quicker than aluminum or steel. It oxidizes almost immediately. And that is part of what makes it so great. The oxidation later forms a protective coating to prevent further reaction with the atmosphere or water. It's also that choosing your able to buff off and make it look brand new again. Love my Why S7 V2. Love your videos.
Love your videos man. My buddy pre-ordered your Maniak. I want to build a single speed XC beast that can ride medium-tech... I can't decide if I want a rigid fork or not.
Ti or die, arghgh!! Been riding Ti bikes for some time now. It’s definitely a forever frame, the only holdup is geo changes. Otherwise they last a long time and can be repaired if broken. I enjoy steel as well with the only penalty there being the weight, not too concerned about rust in AZ.
I love titanium frames . I was looking at chinese titanium frames on Alibaba as alternative, but not much in terms of geometry of the actual frame and the quality of the product. At the same time the latest nukeproof scout is excellent frame ,but alloy. Any advice on nukeproof scout 27.5 like geometry but from titanium ?
I don't think the scout has the ideal geo, the reach is far too short. I'd be happy to consult with you via patreon if you'd like more advice suited to your needs.
No apologies from my wife and I for riding Ti. HT's and road bikes. Being in our early 60's, our '09,11, and 14 frames will be our last , no plastic in our futures!
Have you ridden the Salsa Fargo Ti? I have a 2019 salsa Cutthroat Force 1 that I just cracked the seat stay. Happened in a slow speed tip over and the seat stay hit a rock and cracked. I'm now looking for a new drop bar mountain bike.
I’ve owned titanium, steel, aluminum, and carbon. Titanium is by far my favorite and just has a special feel the others lack. Most of my time is spent on a 20 pound titanium 29+ rigid single speed. It’s light enough to race xc but comfortable enough for all day rides or marathon races. I wish more people could spend time on a bike like this. I believe it could change the industry. 29+ rigid is a magic combination but unfortunately at the moment it’s not cheap to build a light enough bike to get the best experience.
@@hardtailparty definitely! Don't want 29+ to die...it's my favorite. Would love to hear your thoughts on a Vassago Radimus Ti, I'm loving mine in party 29+ SS mode.
Man, been around a while. Used to sell Merlin bikes back in the 1990’s. Loved building them. And loved the light weight. But ALWAYS felt they were too springy/flexy. Have owned a couple but sold each of them for a better feeling bike.. a steel mtb and a carbon road... Have broken carbon and steel bikes bit not a Ti. The 60% mass compared to steel... wondering what a Heavy Ti bike would feel like... Ever cut or grinded on Ti? You will see why it makes the best spring. And maybe not the best frame.
I have a 2012 Salsa Selma Ti (same as an El Mariachi but with a Rohloff). Rode so many miles on this bike bikepacking, endurance racing, and just plain trail riding. A fabulous and indestructible bike, but the geo is so outdated that it's just not fun to ride after getting used to a modern trail bike. I though about trying to update it, and did put on a short dropper, but just not the right bones. Instead I'm building up a Banshee Paradox and will use the Salsa for my road, gravel, touring bike. It will probably last for ever. Too bad I can't just bend it into the right shape.
@@tylerpierce3935I plan on it after I get both of my girls through college....at least that's the goal, but for now my current bike will do. I managed to purchase a 2020 Trek Roscoe 8 before supply ran out last year, Iwas luckyto get it. I am gradually making upgrades as money/budget allows, it was tough enough spending the $1800 on the Trek originally w/ college dues, rent for one etc. My dream hasn't died....That will be my celebration gift to myself when both are done with college. Family first, my wants second....I am not a single 20 something that can blow cash like I use to....lol
Boutique, handmade, often custom titanium is sweet, but I will say that the Taiwanese factory ti - I mean it honestly can be still quite good and surprisingly within reason for a normal person. They have high volume manufacturing down to a science despite the material being tough to work with.
I really like your videos. I have an old (24 years now) titanium frame triathlon road bike that has ALOT of miles on it. That thing is indestructible. Now I'm looking to get an XC mtb for some marathon and longer races (Leadville?) and absolutely want to go with Ti. Should I build one from scratch or buy something stock like from Litespeed?
@@hardtailparty I just ordered you Binary Maniac TI frame instead of the Nordest. I hadn’t seen your video on it until the other day. I ordered a size large. I’ve been riding a Large, 29er Carbon Chameleon. The geo chart comparison put the Manual ML and L on either side of the Large Carbon Chameleon. Hope i bough the right size. I’m 6’0”. 190lbs. Normal length arms and legs. I’m not a cross country racer. I free ride, dirt jump and do long rides. I have dirt jump bikes too so not looking for a small bike
Yes sir built up a Moots Motaineer back in 01. Full suspension TI probably one of the fastest bike I've owned for its time. Money got tangled and had to sell. Sold her on Ebay to a couple in Frisco. Reached out to them a few weeks later to see how they liked it. They said they loved the bike but didn't realized I had brake moto style. He purchased the bike for his wife. She went OTB 1st ride not knowing the brakes where set up moto. Long story short I always make sure I switch the brakes up before I ship a bike.
Hi! I have got two titanium bikes and they cracked at the welds and the second also at the level of the disc brake bracket. Ok, you can fix it but it's a lot of money and not easy to find some one who can do it.
@hardtail party I had a couple of small scratches on the top tube of my titanium lynskey. I have used some sandpaper 360 grit followed by 800 and then 1200 grit. I went over that with the red scotchbrite after and it looks brand new. Now I am concerned whether I have weakened the titanium by using the sandpaper ? What are your thoughts . The top tube was 6/4 titanium brushed finish.
It depends on how much material you removed and how thin your tubing is. I wouldn't worry about it too much, but I definitely wouldn't recommend sandpaper again in the future.
Greetings! Is there any chance that we'll see a Ti Ribble on the channel? Do you have any experience with that bike? I've been planing to get into mountain biking and decided to go for a hardtail. Now I've got a budget of like 2500 eur. The question is - should I got for the Ti Ribble (sport) or should I look for an AL bike like a Commencal Meta HT/Ragley Big AL etc? Thanks in advance.
Material of the frame doesn't bother me as much as geo. I've had a ti frame which cracked, like a lot of others I've read about, and it was too expensive to repair. I love steel and alu and carbon. I have all 3 at the moment and would probably go carbon first then steel, maybe, probably, I can't decide!
Hey bro love your channel.. is the RSD Middle Child still your favorite Ti Hard tail? Your opinion counts in this sphere. I ride a 26 inch Ti bmx and I love it.
Hi! Long time fan! I wanted your opinion on fork setup. It’s my opinion that fork setup instructions from the manufacturer is more geared for full suspension. I find that on Hardtails, fork setup is different to compensate for the rear hitting bumps and pushing the bars back and forth. I usually have to run a faster rebound and more sag. What’s your typical fork setup for your hardtails compare to your fully? Thanks!
Hey man, not sure if this helps, my coach helped me setup my fork and recommended forks on hardtails to go up 1-2 weight classes up for setting air, rebound on the faster side and enough ls compression to sort out dive
Kinda funny how when I started mtb and only had my hardtail, I'd watch videos about fs bikes all the time. Now I've got a FS, and there's a dedicated hardtail channel I love watching!
You are not alone!!! 🤣
Just got back from a ride on my titanium Cove Hummer XC.
Ti is the real deal!
I still ride my 26" Lynskey M240. I'll probably never get rid of it.
Built a R240 Lynskey frameset for my wife. Such a nice road frame for
My choice for frame material is very simple: I can only afford aluminum bikes😂
Yeah, sadly. I mean even on sales,Ti still pretty expensive. So it's either steel or aluminium. 🤷
My choice is my 20 year MTB - cant even afford a new AL
Love my Sonder signal Ti ...I picked it up, when it was only $900.
Love my ti frame, the ride feel of it, the little give, yet it has a ping to it
I just built up a new Lynskey Livewire and absolutely love it. It's an all-around bike, but I built it mostly as an ultra-endurance bike packing rig.
Mine was shipped today. Switching parts from my steel Cotic hardtail.
I totally agree with this. I’ve had a Ti hardtail and I presently have a 21 year old Ti road bike that looks as good as the day I bought it. I’m in the process of buying another Ti bike for gravel. Ti lasts forever, looks beautiful and has such a nice ride quality. The only time it isn’t worth it is a full suspension (IMO). If you have the money, get one and get it custom made! You won’t regret it.
My ideal frame material is 7005 aluminum ( triple gauge). I like titanium as well but in my opinion 7005 is superior. Even though 7005 aluminum has some titanium in it ( 30 to 35 % ), 7005 is the perfect mixture for metal.
As much as I like titanium, I want to remind people that frame material is not the single most important aspect of a bike. That said, all other things being equal, I'll choose ti.
htp: if yoi really wanna treat yourself and you saved up get titanium
me: saved up anf still struggels to get a stoic 4🥲
@@Basement_CNC it took me 20 years to be able to afford a ti bike. You'll get there.
I have had last 3 years a Titanium Merlin XLM.
It has a great feel.
If you hold onto your bike 20+ years Titanium would be worth it for sure! However, good steel can last that long too, but requires a bit more care. I used frame saver in one. My latest steel frame is ed coated internally for rust resistance. I may not treat that bike with frame saver. Still, outer aesthetic, and pure toughness and strength to weight ratio of a bare Ti frame surely takes the cake. Wow, no way to beat that!. If I could have found a Ti frame for only twice as much as steel, I may have gone for it. Most were around 3 time more expensive than the steel Rey. 853/4130 mix frame I bought, which weighed about 4.5 lbs. The same basic frame in Ti would have weighed a bit less than 4 lbs. While titanium has always glistened from afar, beckoning my attention, I'm happy to own the high end steel that I have.
I started off on a steel Rocky Mountain hammer but after about 2 years of riding I met the Lynskey’s from Litespeed at the Toronto bike show. They had the Ocoee and Obed in the display booth and it was at that moment I realized I was going to have a titanium bike. About a year later after saving up enough money I purchased an Obed. I rode that bike for a long time even after I had purchased my first full suspension bike. Recently, I have had thoughts about the Yeti Arc but I still keep looking at titanium from RSD(close to me) and from Stanton. Thanks for the video. P.S. I see Stanton has another package ready to be shipped your way. Can’t wait to see that one.
Great channel...I'll add my twopence.... I've been lucky enough to have worked as a bike mechanic, then owned my own shop, then mtb holidays here in CZ and now also running a bike service..... While in the UK I got to test ride bike for UK mags and with owning a shop got to change bikes more than is reasonable! Ti...the wonder material....Everything that you mention is true....looks great/ride great/lightweight/durable....?/doesn't rust/'frame for life' as we used to say! My first Ti frame was a Cove Hummer....cracked on the seatstay by the brake mount. Second Ti frame was a custom Litespeed, built around a 120mm fork with a slack'ER' head angle, sliding dropouts, full length routing and welded in bosses....this was 2004.... This one cracked as well....but Litespeed honored the lifetime warranty and fixed it..... So in my experience Ti in likely to crack (but maybe I kept them longer and rode them harder!! ;-) Very tempted to get another Ti hardtail though...now that geometry has progressed so much! :-)
I treated myself to the Why Big Iron last fall, although I wanted the Ti Mayor originally Alex said it may be a year before coming back in stock and I couldn't wait that long. I love my bike, Ti forever.
The Scotchbright trick works on scratched, brushed stainless steel, watch bracelets as well.
Got my first titanium bike a year ago. It was always my wish to have one. After dealing with full rigid steel in school years ago, through cheap (and heavy!) Steel full suspension and then aluminium hardtail I was finally able to afford titanium. Raw, unpainted, internal cable routing and the way it ride is just another level. Perfect all-rounder, easy to clean and maintain due to lack of rear suspension. It's not as rigid as aluminium, smoothing out some bumps and potholes (to some degree of course). I can definitely recommend for someone who is looking for a hardtail bike for an every day exploring and fun.
Too expensive for commuting though, but the same can be said about carbon.
I have the raw aluminum middlechild. Absolutely love it. I’m definitely going to buy the titanium frame someday.
I've got a Lynskey Sportive Ti road bike, Lynskey GR300 Gravel bike, Motobecane Ti hardtail and love them all. I've had carbon road bikes and still have a Specialized Stumpy Carbon ; great bikes but stress over damaging them; no worries with carbon!
Buying my first Ti HT (26in) in '99 spoiled me forever. I sold it in '03 when I started getting into 29ers. FFwd to the present, and now I own 2 Ti HTs, a Ti rim brake CX, and a disc brake CX. Ti for life!
Late to this video...I have had two Ti bikes. One is a Dean Colonel from the 1990s; set up in pure early 90s style (XTR and lots of purple anodized parts). The other is a Kona Raijin, c. 2010, made by Lynskey. This is my go-to ride a lot of days...sweet ride, snappy, just a perfect bike. Keep up the great videos.
Preach. I love my titanium hardtail also.
I am still riding my litespeed obed 2007 with easton haven carbón wheels and more modern parts…with the last adition Specialized ground control tyres and an insert in the back wheel is better than ever
Lynskey Pro Gravel and yup, I'm love'n it.
I just bought a Curve GMX+ with 800mm Remlaw bars and that bike had me scratching my head. It was intended for bikepacking, but now I'm hitting my local trails and having a blast. You'd love their downrock.
Just got a Lynskey Live Wire TI hardtail and love it, a pound or so heavier than same size carbon hardtail but it rides much smoother and also love the look of raw TI😎
The dream bike for me is a custom ti frame, ti fork, and ti bars. Someday, although i do like steel frames a lot, mostly because while you have to care for them a bit more to prevent rust they are cheap to repair and modify. You can add braze-ons, gussets, fix dents add dimples for tire clearance etc. Also while most manufacturers just paint steel frames, because its a pretty reactive metal in comparison to ti there are actually a lot more unique finishing options. Alu and ti can be anodized sure, but what about plating? or patina? or blueing? leaving brazed fillets exposed? Steel just has the potential to be a very expressive and diy friendly material.
I've ridden many bikes. Never was fortune enough to own a titanium frame. I love the feeling and weight of my 97' Tange prestige ultralight steel frame - handmade by Rocky Mountain in Canada. It has Ritchey chainstays.
Just ordered my 1st titanium MTB . Gotta wait till August 2022 to get though.
The "Binary Maniac" has myself seriously looking towards a Titanium Frame. Why...Durable and with care will have a longer shelf life. That natural finish is so Gooood.
Just finished building up my first titanium bike a couple weeks ago, a Why s7 and I am loving it. I don't even want to load up my full sus. My heart wanted a Stanton switch9er ti but I had to get real and say I am not going to be riding the terrain that bike will excel in. After listening to, not watching, htp's videos on the supple7 and the power line time and time again, I decided to go with the supple7 and am extremely happy I did.
Awesome. Congrats on a rad bike. And props for being honest with yourself about the right bike for where you live. The switch9er is far more aggressive than it seems.
@@hardtailparty thank you for your reviews. They are extremely helpful when you " listen" to them and don't get distracted by the awesome trails and your great riding!
Great video! I ride a ti frame switchback Stanton it’s awesome balls !!! It’s so capable I ride it everywhere ! Hard tail for life;)✊🏼✊🏼
Going titanium was the best decision I ever made. I loved my Jamis Dragonslayer, but it was HEAVY and felt like it. Swapped it out with a Vassago Optimus Ti frame. A game changer. Maybe you could review one of Vassago's frames? The Optimus Ti is brilliant, although a little less slack than you may prefer. I believe they're based in Phoenix. Pretty cool company. Thanks for this review! I'd encourage anyone to go Ti.
I've ridden the moose knuckle white a bit but not the optimus ti.
I would also like to see more on the vassago ti frames
I have a TI road bike and I friggin' love it. Some of the the roads in Nor Cal are borderline 'off-road' with all the bumps and pot holes. My titanium frame (paired with a carbon fork) smooths out all those rough spots, while still giving me good response when I smash down on the pedals. I'd love to get another titanium frame for my mountain bike (currently riding an old 26' aluminum SC Chameleon)
I love Ti for all the reasons you mentioned. I ride a Bingham Built 27.5/29er. Love it but I also have FS.
I still have an old 1998 Kona King Kahuna Ti that I ride as a townie and just recently built a custom titanium fatbike based on my Banshee Paradox geo with a 140mm Mastodon. It rides so amazingly well!
I want to do the same build! Where did you go to have it built up? Do you like the geo with the fatties?
@@jakethurston5962 I went through Waltly. The modern geo is a game changer on a fat bike for where I live in the BC Rockies, it climbs so much better and the dh's are awesome. The industry needs to catch up.
Thanks. I‘m thinking of getting a titanium Hardtail, they look soo awesome.
They ride great!
Yes I already ride a Stanton Switchback Ti. And also a Stanton Ti Bar. Looks and rides awesom
My Cove Hummer is my go-to bike. I love it. Light, great ride and never loses its appeal. That said, I've got a Stanton Switch9er Ti on order so ask me in a few months when its built up!
Excellent choice!
I'd love to see a review on the Ti Vassago Mooseknuckle your buddy rides. That thing is a beauty, and may be my next SS frame.
I'll get around to it soon. I have a lot of new bikes in that i need to review first.
My first titanium bike was a Performance brand mountain bike. I next had am Aeon road bike (made in Jerome AZ), I have a Serotta Legend Ti, I had a Seven Expat Ti that I sold. I guess I would have to say that I love Titanium...
Have a Kona Explosif Ti..
Love it..
I've ridden steel, alloy, and carbon. My old steel El Mariachi was super comfortable and compliant. My Fuse 29 felt good as well. I've ridden a Honzo ST that felt jarring on bumps. I agree with you...any frame material can be good or bad, it just depends on how it's engineered and built. I think my next bike may be a Canfield Nimble 9 based on your review!
The n9 isn't the most comfy steel bike, but it's sure a lot of fun.
@@hardtailparty Yeah, I'd probably go with a Ragley Big Al if it had sliding dropouts. It'll be fun to try out the Canfield though.
@@hardtailparty BTW, the geo updates to the Salsa Timberjack look promising. It would probably make a sweet singlespeed!
I still ride my 2001 Airborne Corsair. Love it.
I haven't owned or tried any titanium frame before, but my lovely wife ordered a Pässila Rämäkkä Regular TI frame for my 40th anniversary. Can't wait to try it out in a couple of weeks or so :)
You're going to love it.
Love my Ti Middlechild SS. I sold my Carver Ti Gnarvester 29+ SS.
Love the TI I have a Ribble TI HT unbelievable bike 👍
Still have a month and a half left before mine arrives, hopefully, without a delay.
Can't wait to try out a titanium frame hardtail. Plan is to get one next year.
I’m a huge fan of Ti frames for all the reasons that you stated. I also love steel frames and although they don’t have the corrosion resistance of Ti, they definitely have the strength and durability along with the metal ride quality that’s missing compared to carbon and aluminum. I’m not saying that all carbon and aluminum frames don’t have ride quality feel, many companies have intentionally engineered that into their frames and Steve talks about how some aluminum and carbon frames that have a great feel. When you get a high quality frame and choose and spec your build, you really want a frame that is going to bring it all together. If you want a frame that will last a lifetime, choose Ti. Just my thoughts
Had a 98 Tomac edition Raleigh Ti Mtn with SLX, it was ok. Best part of that bike was the grip shift shifters.
Had A Litespeed Tuscany Ti Road with Ultegra, absolutely loved that bike.
I still love grip shift. Such a simple design.
Titanium actually oxidizes extremely _easily_, and the oxide is what protects it from further oxidizing. Aluminum is similar but the oxide layer isn't as protective unless it's applied in a controlled manner (anodization). It's also the reason that you have to fill the frame with gas when welding, because oxidation happens way faster at high temperature.
Fascinating info, thank you!
Preach Martin! As a materials engineer (mostly metallurgist) I'm always amazed at the misinformation out there on metal corrosion. I agree with HP though about frame material. Give me something with some flaw tolerance any day. Carbon composites freak me out.
Once the goatee grows in fully will we see the "evil" HP riding a full-sus?
And with the full beard comes skinny jeans and a fixie.
I shuddered just typing that..
I freaking love titanium. My bike has almost all titanium bolts titanium handlebar ti seatpost. And quick release
Every gram counts!
My road bike is a titanium Colnago from the mid-90's. My next road/gravel bike will likely be a custom Ti frame - probably from Engin. I almost bought a titanium Vassago a few years ago, but it didn't happen.
I do generally like carbon over aluminum. Carbon is generally easier/cheaper to get repaired.
By far my favorite frame material. Steel (if done right) is a close second. I've broken 6 aluminum frames and hate the feel of carbon.
I've loved (and hated) frames from every frame material.
Well Steve I pulled the trigger and put money down on. Pre-order RSD Titanium Mayor V5 frame and carbon fork. Going to use I9 hubs and remaining parts will come off my Surly Pugsley. I am going to set it up single speed. Wanted to get another steel single speed 29+ plus this year but bikes/frames we’re unavailable. So I went with the dream 💭 of a Titanium frame. Frame and fork won’t land until November so I will continue to ride the Pugsley then sell the frame with the Mayor arrives. Really looking forward to experiencing my first Titanium bike!!!
That's going to be RAD! RSD uses a fantastic builder for their ti frames.
Enjoyed your video. 😀 I still have a 2010 or 2011 Salsa El-Mariachi Ti with 1&1/8th" headtube, 27.2 seatpost, & not much room for modern wider tyres. It's my favourite (and most long-lasting) bike by far. The angles are a bit steep & 'old school' - so I have to take it easy and back right off if it hit rough trail sections at speed (I have just turned 60 and I'm a bit of a wimp LOL.) Timmy, Southern England.
I have crack two carbon frames one Giant and Pivot LES in less than 5 years. looking at a Light Speed
Actually Titanium does corrode. It just doesnt corrode like steel. The oxidized layer serves as a protection from further damage. Contrary to steel where rust penetrates the material.
It's not ti but I've got an On One 456 evo in the 'raw' finish which a clear coat that seems to be semi-porous.
The frame has rusted a bit, especially at the welds or where I've knocked the finish and it looks flipping awesome.
With the amount I fall off and crash any painted frame would look rough in no time but this one just gets better and better!
Never had the opportunity to ride a Ti bike. Would love to though. I see a guy at my local trail riding a Ti rig and it looks great and he can rip on that thing.
Definitely awesome strong light material🤘 love the welds too :) .Im not a big carbon fan.
Great 📸 Ti for me 😉 Looking to go likely to new Ti geo but I ride a bike from your neighborhood by Daryl Roberts back when Form Cycles was kicking ✌️
PS I missed out on the Solaris Max TI should of grabbed one 😐
I have a full rigid titanium bike and fork. I do everything with it. I sold all my bicycles who were aluminium and metal. Now I have 6 titanium from fat bike to road bike.
Once you go ti, it's hard to go back.
What do you think about budget Ti frames from China, such as from Waltly?
There are some great to frames coming out of china. Why cycles and binary are two that come to mind. It all depends on the design of the bike and which builder is making them.
You say Ti doesn't oxidize. Actually it does. Quicker than aluminum or steel. It oxidizes almost immediately. And that is part of what makes it so great. The oxidation later forms a protective coating to prevent further reaction with the atmosphere or water. It's also that choosing your able to buff off and make it look brand new again. Love my Why S7 V2. Love your videos.
Love your videos man. My buddy pre-ordered your Maniak. I want to build a single speed XC beast that can ride medium-tech... I can't decide if I want a rigid fork or not.
Ti or die, arghgh!! Been riding Ti bikes for some time now. It’s definitely a forever frame, the only holdup is geo changes. Otherwise they last a long time and can be repaired if broken. I enjoy steel as well with the only penalty there being the weight, not too concerned about rust in AZ.
Still saving up on a TI
Big reason for disliking carbon is it’s not recyclable like claimed. Most end up in landfill and now we have more plastic waste
I have a Moits ti gravel bike.
I've always wanted a Ti bike. Just can't afford it.
I love titanium frames . I was looking at chinese titanium frames on Alibaba as alternative, but not much in terms of geometry of the actual frame and the quality of the product. At the same time the latest nukeproof scout is excellent frame ,but alloy. Any advice on nukeproof scout 27.5 like geometry but from titanium ?
I don't think the scout has the ideal geo, the reach is far too short. I'd be happy to consult with you via patreon if you'd like more advice suited to your needs.
No apologies from my wife and I for riding Ti. HT's and road bikes. Being in our early 60's, our '09,11, and 14 frames will be our last , no plastic in our futures!
Have you ridden the Salsa Fargo Ti? I have a 2019 salsa Cutthroat Force 1 that I just cracked the seat stay. Happened in a slow speed tip over and the seat stay hit a rock and cracked. I'm now looking for a new drop bar mountain bike.
Titanium is so cool I wish it wasn’t so expensive : (
I’ve owned titanium, steel, aluminum, and carbon. Titanium is by far my favorite and just has a special feel the others lack.
Most of my time is spent on a 20 pound titanium 29+ rigid single speed. It’s light enough to race xc but comfortable enough for all day rides or marathon races. I wish more people could spend time on a bike like this. I believe it could change the industry. 29+ rigid is a magic combination but unfortunately at the moment it’s not cheap to build a light enough bike to get the best experience.
I wish more people would try 29+ too, it's one of my all-time favorite wheel sizes.
@@hardtailparty definitely! Don't want 29+ to die...it's my favorite. Would love to hear your thoughts on a Vassago Radimus Ti, I'm loving mine in party 29+ SS mode.
Man, been around a while. Used to sell Merlin bikes back in the 1990’s. Loved building them. And loved the light weight. But ALWAYS felt they were too springy/flexy. Have owned a couple but sold each of them for a better feeling bike.. a steel mtb and a carbon road...
Have broken carbon and steel bikes bit not a Ti. The 60% mass compared to steel... wondering what a Heavy Ti bike would feel like...
Ever cut or grinded on Ti? You will see why it makes the best spring. And maybe not the best frame.
What pad was used to brush out scratches from a brushed titanium frames? 3M? Is there a specific one to use?
Why do you think that tapered head tubes are less common on titanium frames?
I have a 2012 Salsa Selma Ti (same as an El Mariachi but with a Rohloff). Rode so many miles on this bike bikepacking, endurance racing, and just plain trail riding. A fabulous and indestructible bike, but the geo is so outdated that it's just not fun to ride after getting used to a modern trail bike. I though about trying to update it, and did put on a short dropper, but just not the right bones. Instead I'm building up a Banshee Paradox and will use the Salsa for my road, gravel, touring bike. It will probably last for ever. Too bad I can't just bend it into the right shape.
If Canfield makes a Ti Nimble 9 I’m sold
I love titanium bikes, one day I hope to buy one for myself: Titanium 27.5 plus hardtail is my dream bike.
This is exactly my setup: Ti frame with 27.5, 3" tires. I strongly recommend you save up for one.
@@tylerpierce3935I plan on it after I get both of my girls through college....at least that's the goal, but for now my current bike will do. I managed to purchase a 2020 Trek Roscoe 8 before supply ran out last year, Iwas luckyto get it. I am gradually making upgrades as money/budget allows, it was tough enough spending the $1800 on the Trek originally w/ college dues, rent for one etc. My dream hasn't died....That will be my celebration gift to myself when both are done with college. Family first, my wants second....I am not a single 20 something that can blow cash like I use to....lol
Why do we love titanium? BECAUSE IT'S TITANIUM AND IT IS THE BEST!!!
Titanium and Gortex! 😆 The SR-71 Blackbird was titanium. Titanium rocks!!!
Boutique, handmade, often custom titanium is sweet, but I will say that the Taiwanese factory ti - I mean it honestly can be still quite good and surprisingly within reason for a normal person.
They have high volume manufacturing down to a science despite the material being tough to work with.
True, some of the best builders are coming out of taiwan right now.
I would love to hear your thoughts on the Moots Womble. A video would be rad. Might not be slack enough for you though.
I'd love to review one on the channel someday
I really like your videos. I have an old (24 years now) titanium frame triathlon road bike that has ALOT of miles on it. That thing is indestructible. Now I'm looking to get an XC mtb for some marathon and longer races (Leadville?) and absolutely want to go with Ti. Should I build one from scratch or buy something stock like from Litespeed?
I want a Ti HT !
Have you ever reviewed the Nordest TI bikes and the Pinion gearbox? I apologize if you have but I can’t find.
I've ridden gearbox bikes but never on the channel. I'd love to get one in. I haven't been able to convince norsest to send a bike for review yet.
@@hardtailparty thanks for replying. Glad I didn’t miss it. You have a great channel.
@@hardtailparty I just ordered you Binary Maniac TI frame instead of the Nordest. I hadn’t seen your video on it until the other day. I ordered a size large. I’ve been riding a Large, 29er Carbon Chameleon. The geo chart comparison put the Manual ML and L on either side of the Large Carbon Chameleon. Hope i bough the right size. I’m 6’0”. 190lbs. Normal length arms and legs. I’m not a cross country racer. I free ride, dirt jump and do long rides. I have dirt jump bikes too so not looking for a small bike
@@jasoncrandall you'll be good on a L
Yes sir built up a Moots Motaineer back in 01. Full suspension TI probably one of the fastest bike I've owned for its time. Money got tangled and had to sell. Sold her on Ebay to a couple in Frisco. Reached out to them a few weeks later to see how they liked it. They said they loved the bike but didn't realized I had brake moto style. He purchased the bike for his wife. She went OTB 1st ride not knowing the brakes where set up moto. Long story short I always make sure I switch the brakes up before I ship a bike.
If i ever have the money for one i sure would get a TI frame :D For the time being i will probably stick to budget frames like Dartmoor and Ragley :)
It took me 20 years of riding to afford my first ti frame.
@@hardtailparty No surprise! They are in another league just like carbon price wise. Or even more?
Thinking about a Chinese Waltly build. About 800 us.
Try looking at the Titus fireline from planet x UK
what style of frame is that? All mountain?
Hi Steve, which frame is that?
Hi!
I have got two titanium bikes and they cracked at the welds and the second also at the level of the disc brake bracket. Ok, you can fix it but it's a lot of money and not easy to find some one who can do it.
almost every state has a custom frame builder who can handle this. They're worth replacing.
@hardtail party I had a couple of small scratches on the top tube of my titanium lynskey. I have used some sandpaper 360 grit followed by 800 and then 1200 grit. I went over that with the red scotchbrite after and it looks brand new. Now I am concerned whether I have weakened the titanium by using the sandpaper ? What are your thoughts . The top tube was 6/4 titanium brushed finish.
It depends on how much material you removed and how thin your tubing is. I wouldn't worry about it too much, but I definitely wouldn't recommend sandpaper again in the future.
I have considered a titanium hard tail from my aluminum chameleon, and recommendations ?
Yes, i have lots of recommendations. It sounds like you'd be an excellent candidate for my bike consultation service on Patreon.
Greetings!
Is there any chance that we'll see a Ti Ribble on the channel? Do you have any experience with that bike?
I've been planing to get into mountain biking and decided to go for a hardtail. Now I've got a budget of like 2500 eur.
The question is - should I got for the Ti Ribble (sport) or should I look for an AL bike like a Commencal Meta HT/Ragley Big AL etc?
Thanks in advance.
You'd be a great candidate for my bike consultation service on Patreon. Patreon.com/hardtailparty
Material of the frame doesn't bother me as much as geo. I've had a ti frame which cracked, like a lot of others I've read about, and it was too expensive to repair. I love steel and alu and carbon. I have all 3 at the moment and would probably go carbon first then steel, maybe, probably, I can't decide!
Awesome video
Hey bro love your channel.. is the RSD Middle Child still your favorite Ti Hard tail? Your opinion counts in this sphere. I ride a 26 inch Ti bmx and I love it.
No, my binary maniak is my favorite hardtail.
@@hardtailparty Thanks for the tip
Hi! Long time fan! I wanted your opinion on fork setup. It’s my opinion that fork setup instructions from the manufacturer is more geared for full suspension. I find that on Hardtails, fork setup is different to compensate for the rear hitting bumps and pushing the bars back and forth. I usually have to run a faster rebound and more sag. What’s your typical fork setup for your hardtails compare to your fully? Thanks!
Hey man, not sure if this helps, my coach helped me setup my fork and recommended forks on hardtails to go up 1-2 weight classes up for setting air, rebound on the faster side and enough ls compression to sort out dive
@@sirwalksalot3574 fantastic advice! Thanks!