The Quality of Swords - History vs. Reproductions

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ความคิดเห็น • 562

  • @Creed329
    @Creed329 4 ปีที่แล้ว +292

    imagine wielding a legendary sword only to be one shot by a peasant with a longbow

    • @tommyscott8511
      @tommyscott8511 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Did you mean: The Battle of Agincourt

    • @SlavicCelery
      @SlavicCelery 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@tommyscott8511 Crossbowman yelling YEET while you're still unscrewing your pommel.

    • @George_M_
      @George_M_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Richard the Lionheart too.

    • @smnstv3373
      @smnstv3373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Memphis Keith ah yes, totally legit account

    • @smnstv3373
      @smnstv3373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @UC_LY7rjcL7_HIf8RX9z7Zhw next time you use other accounts to promote a malware ridden app, try not creating your accounts 3 days apart

  • @Kishandreth
    @Kishandreth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +406

    What I'm hearing is "old swords were made with practicality in mind even if their materials were not the best" and "some new swords have no clue what a sword should even look like". I'm sure the more artisanal ancient swords were made first for functionality and then time was spent making them look good, today it seems the other way around.

    • @mikeangelo2886
      @mikeangelo2886 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      i dont know. we have mass production nowadays, so we can, well, mass produce practical tools, but back then, every tool was "a piece of art" of an artisan, every tool was unique and a show of one provenes in craft and i think that showing one proveness in art included good presentation.

    • @adamb2077
      @adamb2077 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Idk, Ilya from man at arms was talking about how the "higher end" swords you find in museums tend to have very blatant flaws in the blade, and that it appears that most of the time and energy was spent on the garish embellishments of the hilt and hand and such. I think the people who could afford the fancier swords never really needed to use them so they wanted them primarily as status symbols as opposed to functioning weapons

    • @DamianSzajnowski
      @DamianSzajnowski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@adamb2077 except for knights who could afford and did use some of them

    • @lunacorvus3585
      @lunacorvus3585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      That’s true. Because nowadays there is almost no utilitarian purpose for having a sharp sword, most people would buy swords just to decorate their house or to add something cool to their collection. They usually are not knowledgeable enough about historical arms to distinguish between a quality, historical accurate swords and a cheap, poorly designed modern ‘replica’, neither are willing to spend time on doing research before they make the purchase. They just want something feels like the kind of sword they want, and those cheap products can fit such needs.

    • @lunacorvus3585
      @lunacorvus3585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There are still people today are studying the design, functions of historical arms and produce quality reproduction. But these reproductions are quite expensive.

  • @reapr31337
    @reapr31337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +338

    19:10 "The pommel is gonna fall off."
    Is not bug. Is feature. Automatic pommel launch for ending rightly!

    • @raics101
      @raics101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      A badly attached pommel can fall off in any random moment, a well attached pommel falls off only when you want it to, a masterfully attached pommel knows the perfect timing to fall off even if you don't.

    • @frankharr9466
      @frankharr9466 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Whell! I figured that, since my pommel fell off, I might as well throw it at the guy. I then hi-tailed it out of there like a dude with a sharp iron bar was chasing me.

    • @Legion849
      @Legion849 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No no it's a surprise feature

    • @kaoe145
      @kaoe145 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Today I have a pommel launcher let show you its features

  • @TriaMaxwell
    @TriaMaxwell 4 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    2:17
    "Inlaid with green enamel"
    My vision sucks and I'm tired, but that is blue

    • @Sk1tz092
      @Sk1tz092 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @John Tremblay i agree, turquoise ranges from a little greenish to this kind of bright blue.

    • @raziyatheseeker
      @raziyatheseeker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Apparently, blue was considered green back when? For a turquoise color like that, I guess I could rationalize that.

    • @dosidicusgigas1376
      @dosidicusgigas1376 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Turquoise is green, granted its very close to blue.
      That being said i agree the colour in the picture was blue
      ​@@Sk1tz092

  • @rmg480
    @rmg480 4 ปีที่แล้ว +340

    I'd imagine that at least a few times in history cheap replicas of high end swords were made to scam people into paying a sweet amount of money.
    Even quite possible that at some point a peasant might have made a petition to a blacksmith to make a cheap sword only for looks disregarding everything else, as it was not strange back then for the peasants to try and imitate the upper class, even nowdays a lot of people buy cheap counterfeit clothing and accessories in an attempt to show off something that they clearly do not have.

    • @CritLoren
      @CritLoren 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      ah yes, consumerism and emulation

    • @zenhydra
      @zenhydra 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      We know this happened. There are several surviving examples of inferior swords trying to be passed off as the renowned Ulfberht made blades. These counterfeits sometimes didn't even spell the inlayed makers mark correctly (+VLFBERH+T or +VLFBERHT+ are the two correct inlay variations).

    • @rmg480
      @rmg480 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@zenhydra That actually completely slipped my mind! I've actually had seen a video about that.
      Goes to show how little society has actually changed doesn't it?

    • @gigaslave
      @gigaslave 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@zenhydra Ah, I remember the guys at Men at Arms talking about it when they made their historically accurate high-quality replica.

    • @zenhydra
      @zenhydra 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@rmg480 People are fundamentally the same as we ever were (not a compliment). I imagine that there was some jerk in Sumeria who was passing off his inferior beer as a fine Akkadian import.

  • @smaflp1576
    @smaflp1576 4 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Oh! I own that cheap cluney sword!
    I really can't complain about the blade itself but yes, the grip hurts, alot. :(

  • @kiranm8569
    @kiranm8569 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    The main difference between swords now and then:
    Now, if the pommel falls off and the crossguard breaks, you can call the company and [try to] get a refund.
    Then, if the pommel fell off and the crossguard broke, you wouldn't survive to tell the smith.

  • @giantotter319
    @giantotter319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +277

    Oh yes, Dussack. The literal sharp piece of metal. The proud bohemian heritage.

    • @ChadKakashi
      @ChadKakashi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Personally I love how cheap dussack looks.

    • @leonardorodini1947
      @leonardorodini1947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      As a hobbist blacksmith, and a mathematician that has done some design courses, the dussack is just a design made by a genius: cheap, easy to make, can be beauty, and fucking useful

    • @Chickenman161
      @Chickenman161 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It is surprisingly appealing

    • @Mare_Man
      @Mare_Man 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@leonardorodini1947 I read that as *Hobbit blacksmith* and was very confused

    • @bluesap7318
      @bluesap7318 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not as good as a katana

  • @MrMiddleWick
    @MrMiddleWick 4 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    As a rule of thumb, if something was used in a war, then it probably was cheap. Sure, you might have a nice well balanced or what have you weapon. Guess what's nicer? Two guys with weapons.
    And because replicas are luxury items, the priorities change. It's about satisfying customers, not numbers.

    • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
      @b.h.abbott-motley2427 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      That is generally true. Roger Ascham wrote how common English arrows for war were made of asp instead of ash, which he thought would be better. This was presumably a cost-cutting measure. However, in certain cases suits of full hardened infantry armor were produced in large sets. The guild system s simultaneously managed impressive quality & volume at times. Also, because of the limits of historical supply & logistics as well as morale dynamics, it wasn't necessarily practical to have more troops. Various military writers highlighted the advantages of having fewer & better soldiers.

    • @Wingzero90939
      @Wingzero90939 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Not Necessarily British officers in the Victorian era had to buy their own stuff and a lot of the times they bought higher end stuff from private well-known manufacturers like Wilkinson swords.... The stuff that they issued to the troops though, that was absolute garbage, cheap crap.... I would argue that’s the same with the modern day military, it’s not a high end target gun or some thing that you have custom built…

    • @RX7FDfreak
      @RX7FDfreak 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wingzero83 exactly, it cracks me up when modern politicians say the public shouldn’t have military grade weapons in regards to semi automatic rifles like the AR platform. The private sector sells way better stuff and like you said, can be customized to you specifically. I tend to think the same way when looking back into history. Organized armies with mass produced equipment would of generally not had as good as a custom set up like what an officer might have.

    • @Wingzero90939
      @Wingzero90939 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      RX7FDfreak Especially if you’re paying for it and you know I have to sword fight someone. If the regulation says you have to have a brass guard and you know brass is crap and can be cut through easily. I’m just going to get a steel guard and have it plated in brass.... It may cost more money but it’s helping save your hand.

    • @platinumsun4632
      @platinumsun4632 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RX7FDfreak Ask anyone in the military. Fortunate Son starts to play when they talk about receiver rattle. And no I was never in the military, a co worker told me this.

  • @mainmanmooky8820
    @mainmanmooky8820 4 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    Clearly because some ancient swords that were found were dull, all medieval swords were blunt weapons used for striking

    • @biohazard724
      @biohazard724 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      And weighed 22 pounds, minimum.

    • @xluca1701
      @xluca1701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@biohazard724
      I saw someone who thought a longsword would weigh 20kg...
      Thats idk around 36-40 pounds...

    • @tsmspace
      @tsmspace 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the better skill of the user the better they can cut, dull is relative.

    • @TheHorseman0fApocalypse
      @TheHorseman0fApocalypse 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@xluca1701 My family thought they were all 10 kg yeah i miss 'em

    • @xluca1701
      @xluca1701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@tsmspace
      Yeah I can cut rocks with a piece of flat steel

  • @ThiccboiSalmon
    @ThiccboiSalmon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    2:10 am I colourblind, or was it a mistake Skal? That's blue right?

    • @Ben-uw8wx
      @Ben-uw8wx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I think Skal might be colour blind

    • @IgorNV
      @IgorNV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      I could see it being cyan... But green? Yeah, weird.

    • @614XJ
      @614XJ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      It’s blue.

    • @fullmetalgamers1276
      @fullmetalgamers1276 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      It's the dress all over again

    • @GRIZZDOGG01
      @GRIZZDOGG01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Definitely blue.

  • @MugApwool
    @MugApwool 4 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    What if you did a charity stream for myarmoury?

  • @markchryssanthou6199
    @markchryssanthou6199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Green enamel? Without the intention of sparking debate, that is most definitely blue xD

  • @karoliszutautas808
    @karoliszutautas808 4 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    I'd like to see Skall playing Bannerlord while dressed as a viking. Anyone else?

    • @harvey_weenstain8857
      @harvey_weenstain8857 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Raid shadow legends

    • @mr.personhumanson6871
      @mr.personhumanson6871 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Here here

    • @2008davidkang
      @2008davidkang 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      "I vill drink from yor *Skall* !!! "

    • @frankiematassa1689
      @frankiematassa1689 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bannerlord is an unfinished, no content, dumpster fire with 2014 graphics and 2008 combat

    • @frankiematassa1689
      @frankiematassa1689 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gamma4053 Which is exactly why it's a dumpster fire. Why do modders have to do the developers job for them? If mods are what make a game good, the game itself isnt very good. Believe me, I want the game to be successful and hope its playable at some point. But in it's current state, for $40. Hard pass.

  • @Flyguy779
    @Flyguy779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    with the way blades were made back then, since everything was forged out, it didn't present any more work to taper the blade than to keep it straight. nowadays since everything is made from flat stock anyway, a distal taper is an extra step in the process

    • @bosknight7837
      @bosknight7837 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s still a lot of work to draw out a distal taper

    • @pr0faker
      @pr0faker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      lol forging a good distal taper is so much harder than grinding one, which is still pretty tough to get right. You need to get it pretty spot on on the rough forge or grind or you will be throwing away a good few hours of work, because there is a low spot you can't grind out anymore.

  • @kahlzun
    @kahlzun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    thinking back, there are a number of references to these "amazing" or "magical" swords shattering or breaking into pieces, which is a risk with a high hardness metal..

  • @potatomatop9326
    @potatomatop9326 4 ปีที่แล้ว +332

    Imagine weilding the most epic legendary sword in the world with style then gets one shot by a wannabe gangstah indiana jones style...

    • @Ake-TL
      @Ake-TL 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Joaquin Nicholas Soriano his sabre looked pretty thick

    • @colinmoore7460
      @colinmoore7460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @Kaiser Franz von Lappen der 2. one is stupidity the other is cheating, i leave it to you to deside which is which

    • @potatomatop9326
      @potatomatop9326 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Kaiser Franz von Lappen der 2. i said the most epic legendary sword in the world, not a knife. Fucchead.

    • @potatomatop9326
      @potatomatop9326 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Kaiser Franz von Lappen der 2. get your idiom out of here idiot.

    • @xluca1701
      @xluca1701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@potatomatop9326
      And if the sword's a Messer, the idiom works.

  • @bigjimslim
    @bigjimslim 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    @2:03 green enamel? I see bright electric blue. Maybe I’m colorblind

    • @ViciousVinnyD
      @ViciousVinnyD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No it's blue.

    • @pr0faker
      @pr0faker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Looks more like turquoise to me and more blue than green yeah.

    • @aaronhaggard7683
      @aaronhaggard7683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If it was made with turquoise, it would turn blue over time.

  • @mangocrumble3419
    @mangocrumble3419 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    If the master sword from Zelda was a rapier 2:08

  • @aenorist2431
    @aenorist2431 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    When you hear "My name is Ian Laspina" (or however thats written) in your head and have to correct yourself.
    Great to hear your angle on the same topic, and cooperation / mutual inspiration between a few of my favourite creators.

  • @snorgonofborkkad
    @snorgonofborkkad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The way Skall pronounces "example" is enjoyable.

  • @Gunnar_Konig
    @Gunnar_Konig 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    2400 dollars for a year of hosting? Seems like he's getting gouged.
    How much space does he need? Does he have some special hosting requirements? It doesn't seem like a site that would receive the enormous amount of traffic that would justify that price.

    • @Mtonazzi
      @Mtonazzi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The site is both used as source or (more ideally) as a road to sources. But also the forum is very active and they should ditch being able to host the images there into myarmoury... I know, the value of doing that for you don't risk finding a really interesting topic and seeing all the images deleted from random image hosting site, but I'm sure that's one of the things that makes the hosting price go up.

    • @punchyscyllarus565
      @punchyscyllarus565 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      $2400 IS a little high for a site like that - serves mostly text, no heavy media (videos), lower traffic, no intense backend stuff (db querying jillions of records), etc. even with a forums i can't see it taking more than a couple hundred GB/month to run.

    • @jkarra2334
      @jkarra2334 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@punchyscyllarus565 stupid people pay stupid prices, my host costs 5€/month, unlimited traffic, all server tools, backups are automated + all console tools + for that 70€/year i can host unlimited amount of sub domains....
      Now i pay for hosting for 4 separate web sites + yearly domain payments and thats for me 70€ + 4xdomain (5€ per domain)

    • @platinumsun4632
      @platinumsun4632 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jkarra2334 Well go help out and tell the chaps running myarmoury.

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jkarra2334 Obvious question: Does that 60€/year host come with annoying small print like: "may delete site for any/no reason", "No mention of violence or historic population groups", "must respond to DMCA within 48 hours or get deleted with no further warning" etc. Such traps often form the difference between cheap and expensive hosting.

  • @Celebmacil
    @Celebmacil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Yes, there IS a difference between "cheap" and "inexpensive".

  • @rogerramiussergeialexander5541
    @rogerramiussergeialexander5541 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'd have a hard time believing that the good functional swords would last long enough to get into a museum. The originals we've got now are literally the ones that people left at home when they went to war.

  • @Riceball01
    @Riceball01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The best example of a cheap sword breaking and causing injury was in a video from a QVC segment where the host takes a cheap katata, starts tapping it on a table, and part of the blade breaks off and flies back, stabbing him. th-cam.com/video/2kFgeZtkAb8/w-d-xo.html
    My own personal example of a cheaply made replica is my Marine Corps NCO sabre which started to rattle after just a little bit of use doing nothing more than military sword drills. Not sparring drills mind you, just ceremonial drills like drawing the sword, presenting it in a sword arch kind of stuff. What gets me is that this wasn't one of those cheap eBay knock offs either, it was (supposedly) made to Marine Corps specs and I was able to order it with the correct blade length based on my height and arm length.

    • @papavader6084
      @papavader6084 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not an NCO yet, wondering if there’s anywhere you can get a high quality NCO sword from though... that would be cool.

    • @Riceball01
      @Riceball01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@papavader6084 Aside from Cold Steel, no one makes a sharpened version of the Marine NCO saber. Even, assuming, that Cold Steel still offers it, it's supposed to be heavy and kind of clunky. that's according to Matt. Even if that isn't the case or you're ok with that, it wouldn't necessarily meet regulatiations, according to the regs, the tip of the blade shouldn't go past your ears when held at the carry. So in order to get an NCO saber that meets regs, you'd have to buy one the usual unsharpened ones with the correct length of blade for your height.

  • @cinemacritic9571
    @cinemacritic9571 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    2:11 green? you're colourblind my man

    • @ansast883
      @ansast883 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No color blindness, not everyone agrees on tones between main colors.

    • @kielbasamage
      @kielbasamage 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd say it's cyan instead of green.

    • @B0x_T00l
      @B0x_T00l 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ansast883 I'm sorry but if you think that's green you have never seen green in your life

  • @tengwean6182
    @tengwean6182 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm most interested in the cool chair you have there, Skall. Looks really nice and comfy! Also great content you make, keep it up!

  • @PrimordialNightmare
    @PrimordialNightmare 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Many reproductions try to imitate the high end" That's why I like things like the Munich Towngurad cut and thrus sword/rapier (whatever). It's pretty close to mass production as it is. There are a couple versions of it sitting in multiple museums.
    So budget replicas could have an easy time doing it right, by jsut somewhere laying within the specifications.

  • @markputtick3209
    @markputtick3209 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed this, good explanation of steel quality (hardness vs toughness). Thank you!
    I worked for quite a while selling and servicing high end Japanese hand made kitchen knives and recognized a lot of the talking points I would go through with customers. Great job!!!

  • @gamithemighty5932
    @gamithemighty5932 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "expertly crafted, and inlaid with green enamel" 2:09
    Me: where is this green enamel? all I see is blue...
    I also get a "baby's first sword" vibe from its design 6 ^ ^

  • @Alex.LeJeune
    @Alex.LeJeune 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is why i love watching the work of Ilya Alekseyev. He does a amazing job making blades in the older ways, just because the piece calls for it.

  • @Sareth94
    @Sareth94 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    threw some cash myarmory's way. Can't tell how many times I've looked up reviews & resources there, even without being a registered member.
    Good website, good content!

  • @jayko-mayko2285
    @jayko-mayko2285 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just now noticed the frame you have around your video... I love it haha. That small detail does a lot for me haha

  • @TwentythreePER
    @TwentythreePER 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love MyArmoury.com I'll have to consider supporting them. I also really liked Knyght Errant's video (all of them really) and I'm glad you did the same with swords.

  • @TheWhiteDragon3
    @TheWhiteDragon3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The sword you pulled out to display the distill taper and simplicity of construction I also have. In fact, I bought it due to your review! Can confirm it is a very simple construction and employs less than ideal methods to construct the handle, but it is a 1:1 exact replica of a museum piece of a common infantryman's sword. The tang is still thick and extends through the handle, the handle is properly shaped and beveled, the cord wrap is tight and VERY comfortable, and while the fitting of the brass guard isn't very tight, it is totally acceptable for its price and historical origin. Even if the handle breaks on me, which I don't think it will, it should be simple enough to just make a new one. Can definitely recommend as a first sword, since it's my first sword, too!

  • @kommissarkillemall2848
    @kommissarkillemall2848 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    2020 : sword falls apart during testing > blacksmith gets bad review on internet.. 1400 : sword falls apart during battle> seriously p*ssed-off knight comes looking for blacksmith with a good quality mace to "have a conversation over a refund".. yeah, times weren't easy for scammers back then. XD

    • @InsufficientGravitas
      @InsufficientGravitas ปีที่แล้ว

      Not to mention that they wouldn't get the sword delivered and go right to battle. if the sword had issues they could just pop over and have a little chat.

  • @jamesh5460
    @jamesh5460 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really liked this upload. Very informative for sure.

  • @marcuscornwall4879
    @marcuscornwall4879 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You get on some good talks often and i like them when they are long. :)

  • @astralsailor
    @astralsailor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Skall: “hardness is as important as toughness”
    Me: “hm yes I know the difference”

    • @vittocrazi
      @vittocrazi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      if it helps:
      Hardness is the resistance to be indented , penetrated or scratched by another object. In steels, it correlates to how stiff and how much stress can the piece deal with before permanent deformation.
      Toughness is the resistance to break by impact.
      In steels, generally there is a tradeoff between both qualities. if you maximize toughness, the piece will have (relatively) low hardness. meaning the chances of breaking will be minimal if, for example, you drop it on the ground. And if you maximize hardness the piece might end up like a file or drill bit. virtually impossible to bend and scratch (with other steel piece) but will snap like a carrot if you hit it with a hammer or drop it on hard ground.
      For swords you want a middle ground so it doesnt deform badly nor breaks during a fight, since the sword both deals and recives impactful blows.
      These qualities, asuuming comparable alloys, are regulated mostly through heat treating.

    • @brianmccarthy5557
      @brianmccarthy5557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just adding that with modern methods and materials it's possible to get materials that are both relatively hard and relatively tough. Other than that totally agree with previous comment.

    • @MrRedberd
      @MrRedberd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I love how he is getting it explained again, lol. More carbon, more hard

  • @fransthefox9682
    @fransthefox9682 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always, Skall!
    I just want to point a few things out about the wood for the handle and scabbard.
    While we do have access to most woods that medieval folk had, the modern reproduction market chooses woods that are not really practical for the blade.
    For example, ebony and rosewood are a common choice for many manufacturers and customers. They are expensive, strong and luxurious. However, a scabbard made of hardwoods like these can potentially ruin the blade over time, instead of preserving it, even if they are well made.
    They have a higher acidity than softwoods which could corrode the blade over a longer period of time, and their higher silica content may scratch and dull them. Hardwood is okay for handles since the tang has no edge to be preserved, and the rust that may appear on it is just on the surface (unless it's a very very old sword).
    Certain softwoods were the standard for scabbards, and most of the times, the handle too.
    For example, certain poplar species, birch, and alder can be a great (and historical) choice. Hackberry is also a decent choice, but may cause some skin irritation. The American tulipwood (or "Yellow poplar" which is actually not related to real poplars), is a great choice too.
    They have a much lower silica and acidity, so they can preserve the blade much better than hardwoods. They are also cheaper and easier to work with.
    (As for the common poplar that are planted in towns and by the roads in Europe, forget about that. Those are weak and TOO soft.)
    For Japanese swords, the traditional wood used for the handles and scabbards is a certain Japanese magnolia species. They call it Honoki. They air dry it in big quantities for about 8 to 10 years before cutting and carving them into shape for the handle and scabbard. They are pretty expensive though.
    According to Peter Dekker, an expert of Chinese arms and armour, the handles and scabbards of Chinese blades were historically made of poplar and/or alder. However, sometimes the handles of Jians were made of hardwood, but the handles of Daos were always made of softwood.
    Some really great sword manufacturers use hardwood instead of softwood. Like LK Chen. They make their handles and scabbards of ebony and rosewood, since they couldn't identify the wood on the antiques they studied. So they just went with that for the luxury. (I had a chat with them regarding this topic, and they might upgrade their handles and scabbards to poplar in the future.)
    All this is just based on my research, and may not be 100% accurate.

  • @sarojolibois6088
    @sarojolibois6088 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh hey, I live in Cluny, the city from which the Cluny sword is originated,what a coincidence ! Like, I'm amazed that such a small town lost in the middle of the french countryside would have one of its swords reproduced by Albion (although it's true that the city has a huge and intersting history, and had a lot of influence during middle-ages), and said sword mentionned in your video !
    great video, very informal, as always, thanks Skall !

  • @comradezero
    @comradezero 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    "This was obviously made for nobility..... back in the day *cough*"

    • @scottmacgregor3444
      @scottmacgregor3444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, a lot of people seem to have noticed that pause. Good stuff.

    • @bosknight7837
      @bosknight7837 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      comradezero totally not named after him or something,no

  • @Levi_Manifesto
    @Levi_Manifesto 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Hey Skall, here's an idea for a video, watch and analize some clips from Forged in Fire, I bet people would love some ranting and the pure schadenfreude from you losing your mind :P

    • @mennograafmans1595
      @mennograafmans1595 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I remember them calling a longsword or armingswords "a crusadersword like Excalibur".
      Historical accuracy had left the chat and jumped of a bridge.

  • @CptToeNail
    @CptToeNail 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I Have been at the Wallace Collection and it is FANTASTIC I will go again as soon as I can. Highly recommend and if you are a miser it won`t cost you anything either.

  • @BinkyTheElf1
    @BinkyTheElf1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stuff, Skal.

  • @iamzid
    @iamzid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    2:11 "green enamel". uh, am I the only one that sees BLUE enamel?

    • @ViciousVinnyD
      @ViciousVinnyD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Nope, it's blue.

    • @brianmccarthy5557
      @brianmccarthy5557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Let's be charitable to the critics and allow that it might be somewhat blue-green.

    • @tzardnickolasthelitromanov
      @tzardnickolasthelitromanov 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's definitely blue, think skal might be colorblind

  • @cosminxxx5287
    @cosminxxx5287 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    what u said at 17:00... i saw that happen at a demonstration held at a conference organised by a Japanese samurai "school" and it's representative in Romania. The japanese guy wanted to show a certain form of techniques, some kata, and he used his own sword for some very impressive cuts specially by a 70 year old guy,like really awesome clean cuts.They had the cuts in the program but the romanian organizers wanted him to show some form of techniques,some kata or something. His sword was already taken backstage and they provided a sword for him and apparently, it was a damn replica lol!:)))). What happen was that he did somekind of ceremony and than put the sword to his hips and did a draw cut,like iaido, and the power of the draw and sudden stop was so strong that the blade flew out of the handle into a set of chairs.Lucky thing was that the conference was held in an indoor soccer field,and the seats ocupied were on left and right and back and forward were all empty. The blade went halfway into the back of a seat and for 3 seconds it was so quiet you could hear air move if you tried:))))). The fuckin idiots brought him a replica,a modern cheap sword and the old man was probably training and doing that type of draw cuts for whole his adult life,decades and decades of training.He did smile and did a movement like he is trying the weight of the sword,i was far and couldn;'t hear but after the shit hit the fan i imediately realized he probably said that something is wrong with that sword.Anyway, indeed, tragedy could happen so for anyone that is not a sword practicioner, japanese or european, please do not show off your techniques with your sword that you found at some trift shop and looks great.You could hurt or actually kill someone for real.

  • @chetdelarm
    @chetdelarm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought that Deepeeka on the 2nd hand market. I was intrigued by the hilt and got it for a good price. I didn't realize, at the time, it was a bad attempt at a museum piece. The first thing I noticed about it was just how damn balanced it is and after a bit of handling I realized it is really lively in the hand and very quick- like the blade is hardly there at all. Speaking of the blade- it looks like hammered shite. Out of all the swords I own, it has the worst forging I have ever seen, but man they got the balance right. This is probably a happy accident. Look forward to putting an edge on it this summer and seeing if it will cut. Just goes to show even a cheap knock-off can shine now and then. Great vid by the way- keep 'em coming!

  • @Marcocastello89
    @Marcocastello89 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see a new Skall video, I drop a like. It’s as simple as that

  • @uncleouch9795
    @uncleouch9795 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my experience restoring Nihonto, (likely unusual in ways). It was the old Hitatsura Long Swords that broke and ended up O Suriage Wakizashi. All the splotches of Yakiba, and larger Niei crystal structures which are hard. May have potentiated the swords to break under combat stress. Although some were just shortened for practicality.

  • @anonym3
    @anonym3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    20:00 That *sword* of thing...

  • @giorgiannicartamancini3917
    @giorgiannicartamancini3917 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh wow, I hope MyArmoury makes it, it was my main source for a uni project D:

  • @gloving4hire
    @gloving4hire 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just bought my first sword and it should be ready in a couple months, I’ll be sure to check out myarmory, I need gear and an ax

  • @danielflynn9141
    @danielflynn9141 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tod of Tod's Worshop did an excellent video on this topic. He argued that context is important when it comes to expectations. A Medieval person's expectations of a sword they commissioned are slightly different than the expectations of a modern consumer/collector of replicas. I personally don't fuss over minor cosmetic flaws: a gap between the hilt and the blade, a wavy ridge in the blade, a slight bend or warp, etc... Historical examples show many cosmetic flaws, including on high end swords. By the Middle Ages, sword fittings were manufactured separately, and the gaps between the fittings and the blade were par for the course. Things like cutler's resin and shims were used to tighten the gaps. A Medieval person obviously didn't mind too much about that, but we do. We certainly do mind about such flaws, and there is nothing wrong with that. Most of my favorite replicas are hand made, and I appreciate the little quirks they have, or what same may call flaws. It's all about expectations so far as I am concerned. Thank you for your efforts to help save MyArmoury. I had no idea it was in jeopardy.

  • @johnhormaza5469
    @johnhormaza5469 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That common armor harness is interesting talk about that, are those slide rivets on the forarm there to fit many people?

  • @inregionecaecorum
    @inregionecaecorum 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Rubber blade with glass edges, the modern macuahiutl, perfect :)

    • @Local_commentor
      @Local_commentor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      imagine going to the hospital and the doctors can't get all the glass shards out OUCH

  • @Adam-kv6zg
    @Adam-kv6zg 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Skall, sorry to be off topic and have been subbed for a while, BUT your beard looks imacculate. Thanks for this video I've been wondering this forever

  • @Bird_Dog00
    @Bird_Dog00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I must admit, I was suprised to hear about how hard some of those blades were.
    As I would have assumed a hardnes of not much more than 45 HRC. Making a blade with a hardnes of over 50 HRC that doesn't shatter must have been no mean feat. Especialy with the - lets call it limited - controll over the exact composition of the materials in those times.
    Sure, you can take even unalloyed steel to higher hardnes, and it's done in industrial applications, but those are usually more massive pieces like rollers, punches and dies, not thin blades.
    I do work in the metall industry and we have pieces that go as high as 65-68 HRC. But those are made from high-alloy tool steel like S290. And you have to be carefull about the axis of shockloads even then, or they will shatter like glass.
    So yea, a 55HRC medieval blade that does work? Call me impressed.

    • @Wildwestwrangler
      @Wildwestwrangler 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should check out the Ulfberht Swords!!! They are over a thousand years old and when tested in a lab are extremely high grade carbon steel even by today's standards!!!

  • @anthonydelonga7181
    @anthonydelonga7181 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish I could ask you if I should get the copper finish or will that affect the blade like you say saying finish would um show use more yet can help but haha anyways you da man

  • @ancientbuns6770
    @ancientbuns6770 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:17 what I like about the Fallgrim is that it’s details are slight but functional

  • @HoundXXII
    @HoundXXII 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know we're talking about swords, but I bet that book smells really good.

  • @aryafeydakin
    @aryafeydakin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back in the days, the tip of a pick axe was quenched and tempered every week during heavy use. All the edged tools were case hardened. Period source say the piece was "steeled". The portion of the tool to be hardened was quenched at cherry red, and because it's heated in charcoal, the heating process is improving the carbon content of the very surface of the iron, transforming it into steel. Then the quenched part is tempered to the proper color, like purple for the edge of a wood working tool, or yellow for the tip of a rock mining tool. With this method of superficial heat treatment, only a few dozen micrometers of an iron tool, the depth at which the carbon from the charcoal infused, became really hard steel, and it would quickly wear off with use and sharpening, and call for another surface treatment.
    This means that analyzing remains of iron or steel tool is not a good indicator of how hard the edge of the tool was during actual use. The structural part of the tool could be soft, still if a few dozen micrometers of the edge or tip of the tool are made hard enough by case hardening, the tool is good for at least some weeks of work, doing the same work as a modern tool that's through-tempered, albeit some bending. The thing we obtain with through hardening rather than case hardening is springness, and of course not having to case harden again each time the tool hardened steel surface wear off.

  • @anErnazure
    @anErnazure 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Myarmoury is a great site with excellent resources and references. It would be a real shame if it came down.

  • @alexandersalz5850
    @alexandersalz5850 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great presentation very easy to understand even tho its a load of information!:)

  • @Sacrentice
    @Sacrentice 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I need to find Sir Radzig's sword! Those barstarsds have it

  • @WisdomThumbs
    @WisdomThumbs 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That historical sword in the thumbnail and first part of the video is the sword I picked for my D&D character. It went overboard in a level 13 airship battle with dragons.

  • @PrimordialNightmare
    @PrimordialNightmare 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:08 I just recently looked up that graphic for my pen&Paper Campaign preperation to cross reference with other metals because I let my party find reddish metla blades that withstood centuries without being properly conserved. Seems loke beryllium Copper (Copper beryllium?) is "close enough"

  • @NSturm451
    @NSturm451 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Donated. MyArmoury is my go-to website for link-spamming people about Oakeshott typology.

  • @huntermoss9403
    @huntermoss9403 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do i buy a sharpened bronze khopesh? I look on line and im not sure if its actual bronze or sharpened.

  • @Nerobyrne
    @Nerobyrne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Skall rocking the Greek statue beard I see ^.^
    Looks nice

  • @liuntika
    @liuntika 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Greetings! @Skallagrim Are you interested in buying a spring steel sword replica used by the huns (migrations period)? :)

  • @naus9067
    @naus9067 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking at this fancy blue rapier and armor I started wondering: in games and books and movies we often can see swords made of some weird materials or for example iron from metheorite. I thought it would be nice idea for another vid of you, if weapons like that exist at all and there is enough of them for one episode longer than 3 minutes.

  • @businesstrooper8460
    @businesstrooper8460 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these videos been watching for a long time. I can't figure out for the life of me how to DM and ask a question though. I have a weapon design that seems like it would be solid but would like an opinion on it before I try and forge it. I ask because I haven't seen any recreations of it in steel on the internet.

    • @AzrielWynge
      @AzrielWynge 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you make it?

  • @LuxisAlukard
    @LuxisAlukard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:17 This was obvious made for nobility...
    Congrats, Skall! I didn't know you were knighted!

  • @lucascosta-mr4mr
    @lucascosta-mr4mr 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not related to the videos, but I have two questions. Can you use half-swording with a spear whose the pole broken in the mid section? And can you use dagger techniques with a spearhead that has lost its pole?

    • @thelocust619
      @thelocust619 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. A dirk is a dagger made from a broken blade. But even then, you can use a piece of broken glass as a weapon if you want...what Im saying is a sharp blade doesn't become useless when it breaks. It just becomes less useful than before.

  • @LyubenVassilev
    @LyubenVassilev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    *Pommel falls off*
    Marvelous, this saves me the effort of unscrewing it.

  • @sylvanstrength7520
    @sylvanstrength7520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I seriously WISH that someone would make a quality peasant Dussack! I'd love to have one!

  • @ripussr1766
    @ripussr1766 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is munitions grade crap? Should I be scared? I bought from kult of Athena, my first rapier beautiful sword, says it's battle ready should I trust it?

  • @purplehaze2358
    @purplehaze2358 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I don’t even care about weapon reproduction personally, and I would probably unironically donate to myarmory if I could.

  • @allandill2033
    @allandill2033 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    On thing with the nail is that the grip would be easy to replace just being wooden side pieces. In Afghanistan, they have knives that are very similar. And as it is used, they replace the small wooden (or ivory) pieces on the handle if it broke.

  • @Carlos-ko9zy
    @Carlos-ko9zy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Skall!

  • @williameddlewis4625
    @williameddlewis4625 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    if you watch some of tod cutlers videos he talks about this to my Favourite is a bishops sword with his coat of arms on the pommel out of kilter with the rest of the hilt

  • @mjb7015
    @mjb7015 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    re. the point about distal tapers being absent in cheap reproductions, it can also go the other way - some reproductions I've seen, mainly of Chinese weapons, have such aggressive distal tapers that the point is as thin as a sheet of paper and completely incapable of supporting any sort of thrust or even its own weight. I own a Chinese dao that is so flimsy the tip can bend completely around to touch the pommel-ring. Of course, part of the reason for that is that wushu performances love that whippy snap sound effect they get from flimsy flopsy blades.

  • @ashwolfthesupernovagamer2866
    @ashwolfthesupernovagamer2866 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, I was wondering if you could make a video on the Dwarven crossbow from skyrim?

  • @Winnie_Grett
    @Winnie_Grett 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    MaArmoury is a great Page. Great great Page.

  • @savio9668
    @savio9668 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mom, can we have dussack?
    No, we have dussack at home
    Dussack at home: 8:56

    • @piteoswaldo
      @piteoswaldo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mom, all my friends have dussacks.
      Ok, child, have this dussack: 9:38

  • @rosedruid
    @rosedruid 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Distal taper back in the day when you had to draw out the metal every inch is custom made and while it might take a little while longer your not hammering the thick end as much and the thin end more so it evens out across the length of the blade. Being perfectly even all the way along might even be harder.

  • @Alchemical_goatman
    @Alchemical_goatman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:02 forgive my ignorance, but can somone please tell me what kind of sword that is in the book?

  • @brittbrat1988
    @brittbrat1988 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you be able to give me an estimate of how much it would cost to purchase an authentic iceni sword? One similar to the one prosutagus and boudicca had?

  • @drytoon820
    @drytoon820 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That Han Dynasty Dao looks good, what manufacturer is it ?

  • @bogdandaraban1593
    @bogdandaraban1593 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My favourite video!

  • @Flash_of_Green
    @Flash_of_Green 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Bolick Dagger is a good example of Mass prettiest weaponry commonly thay had plain wooden handles but on the rare occasion you would find one's made for knights that had full metal handles with engraving even.

  • @michaelkarmeli4852
    @michaelkarmeli4852 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my armoury seems like a great site!

  • @Setnja92
    @Setnja92 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Skallagrim, i am just gonna throw my idea at this 9:37 . It looks to me more like unfinished product than crude weapon. It is possible that the blacksmith didn't have the time to finish this weapon. It could be made in to this shape 8:57 quite possibly. This looks to me like a more probable option.

  • @Kayleigh_McKee
    @Kayleigh_McKee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Skall do you have Blue-Green Color Blindness? That resin was blue as can dang ol be

  • @KEHT92
    @KEHT92 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please give me a link where I can get this nice book. Thank you.

  • @allengordon6929
    @allengordon6929 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice to see the kaskara get some love! :)

  • @kielbasamage
    @kielbasamage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ah, there's something I love about the simple, utilitarian swords, more than the blinged out stuff, even.

  • @CUBETechie
    @CUBETechie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you please please make a video about modern material armor?

  • @robmdq
    @robmdq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here is something i am courious about. Back in the day when i started to get interested in swords, i'm talking before internet even existed... yeah, that long ago, the holy grail of swords we all dreamed to have (and rarely could afford) was a Marto sword. What is your take on them? (yeah, i'm still on the "dream to purchase one of those" phase lol)