Good walkthrough, if anything I can recommend drawers for everything - pans, bowls, dry goods, everything really, you never have to crouch to reach in the back. And to think about where your small appliances go- coffeemaker, toaster, blender etc. With dedicated spaces for appliances and tasks and supplies everything becomes more usable. Bins are yet another afterthought.
@@LostWhits I really want to see your way around fitting drawers into corner unit without leaving one side or the other completely unusable. Even internal drawers need runners on both sides so there is really no way to use all the corner space. Corner doors plus swinging pullouts are invented for that specific purpose, but even those don't use up 100% of the corner.
Great to be part of the process. One thing i'd change is move the dishwasher so your sink is perfectly central in the window. Being off to the side would really mess with my OCD.
My dad had designed his kitchen in the early 90s. Double bowl, double drainer sink offset to the left to allow space for optional dishwasher on right hand side.. Instead the cabinetmaker cut the sink centre of the window, and I had to hand wash dishes for the next 12years.
I would recommend more cupboards. What about two tall cupboards either side of the fridge. And maybe one over the top of the fridge. Thou I guess the kitchen is now fitted as this video was done in April !
Kitchens are all about the balance.. symmetry.. glass doors i told customers open your cabinet thats what you see..For display only but great as a focal point.. Crown only on cabinet tops or it becomes too much.. Lost the pop.. Build out your cabinets for your fridge 36x72 standard openning.. Or side panels.. Shallow depth fridges are for people too dumb to know cabinets can be custom fitted there.( budget custom areas)(fridges break down cousin was full custom weird size 12k to replace it) a must more peoples demanded then any other a pantry with full ball bearing extensions doesnt have to be hugh. not higher then standing the higher sections for long term storage items.. A few can be double deep for those bigger items.. Idea, at your cabinet normal doors think drawers full sided full extension.. WHY because they are a hell of a lot easier to use..no open doors both to clear rollout hardware then pull out rollout... fast for heavy pots pans.. custom the sizes depth.. As stated earlier budget for extras.. cornor cabinets use as overflow storage.. especially at base. Bending over sucks really fast.. remember pantry with slide outs waist height.. zero bending.. sink stainless steel must be surgical stainless spend 500 or more under mounts are a permanent fixture,OK.. No water heaters at sink they just dont last..garbage disposale increase clogged pipes.. It just does.. A high backsplash locks kitchen in..a low splash allows a update to occur at sales time.. handles well get extras plus standard holes, again for updating later on.. No wood floors? why dishwasher venting kills the floor, yup.. Most homes cannot use an island no room see standard distances.. Rolling islands destroys floors, i was not allowed to sell them.. rollers dig in.. wood dont last and is very needy oils grease is a low cost finish remover.. remember to clean top of doors.. Great if selling now.. Not for a year or 2 sale.. remember click clack thats the room necessary for handles to clear cabinets.. Cornors.. When wiffy looks at counter top material blue printers measure job out and plan material stop the urge to have profile at fridge area.. I know an empty kitchen befuddles the mind.. But the profile comes out 1.5 inches or more..NOW MY FRIDGE WONT FIT!!! No more 36 inche width..Counter top guys dont care about fridge fitting just doing what you want.. i have seen this way too many times.. It aint funny if your fancy 4k fridge dont fit..Then have to move to a smaller thinner fridge that looks stupid.. NEVER reuse weird size fridge on redo..standard is 36x72.. I walked away from many a home sale because obsolete fridge was custom fitted to kitchen.. Aint no way to fix that without redo of kitchen.. Balance and symetry... Items appliances to install must be present in home before final measuring..In manufactures brochures it states changes can and do occur in production runs.. Funny one here peoples lock in the dishwasher, adding a high floor after dishwasher installed woops it aint coming out happens more then you think.. raise base cabinets up to account for flooring.. (I had 1 recalled right before i did the flooring resale though but still 1 week later a really pissed off me.. Reverse osmosis lost me way too many kitchen deals.. It will leak ruin sub flooring so entire kitchen base and counter top removal to fix sub floor.. Lost soo much monies on those screwups.. And icemakers are disgusting, reality check the fridge is a open space cold from freezer its all open..so that frozen foods and items stored in fridge will migrate into icecubes..thats disgusting, it just is...Oh the worst having a garbage can built into cabinets.. The rotten bananna smell migrates all thru cabinets, yes it does.. I can still smell my utensils gross...And it lingers after trash day..... The electrical must be updated to be code compliant..but you already knew that.. At sink always 2 lights so a shadow is not cast.. My company would correct my mistake and charge me back..ouch.... Honestly the layout of your original kitchen is basically the way it is unless you wanna break walls and add a vent out the roof.. Removing walls is a nightmare one never knows what luckes in those hidden spaces.. wiring, plumbing a/c vents..Plus there is the leveling of floors, or the lack therof.. Waste line drop, look that one up it bit me a lot... Check your breaker panel WHY?? because you need more panel runs silly, direct lines fridge. microwahood, instant hot water multiple gfci outlets on back splash see codes. Yikes no room in panel now gotta replace it for a bigger one..oops now a drop from the main line on street to accomodate more power requirements to bigger panel... I sold kitchens like 500 or so.. If i left something out I was charged back for it.. It was performed.. Noo matter my mistake.. But for me that was really rare... I tell my friends to never get into kitchen cabinet business, its way too complicated, customers demand perfection. You better be great at math, detail orientated or you will starve.. All jobs were estimated on a 20 page contract.. I estimated company finalized what I sold, charged me back.... But you better have great installers above the rest.. Who stay till the job is right..we even had repair crews to finalize woops..like oversized cover plates for electrical.. Never have items built onto counter top, water will get in and ruin them.yes it will.. A lot of cabinets face frames are particle board crap, cheap now,maybe but doors fall of in a few years.. yes they do.. There are companies that spray paint basic wood to look like cherrry wood.. Its called a 1 hit wounder,,, when finish paint wears cabinets are unrepairable junk.. I turned my competier sample to a picture frame.. It aint cherry.. Im retired now, selling kitchens was a great profitable gig.. I cannot tell you how many times i went back to a job pitched by a newbee(that quit or fired) that was way under bid.. By over 12k.. The origanal sales moron would have been allowed that screwup.. but me an exact anal only 1 job oops would have had job rejected or zero monies to me..I do not work for free.. do you.. Kitchens are the 1 room mistakes are not allowed.. Have fun..Im gonna goof off...Oh me never wood, id sell it yea, but never use it.. Thermofoil of formica for me windex and go.. can last forever....... peace youll need it..
I would absolutely agree about the sink being centered in the window. Looking out to the beautiful yard with an obstruction in the window in front of me would make me crazy. I just redid my kitchen and put in many drawer lower cabinets. Really love them and wish I did even more. Can't wait to see your final result!
My advice from having done several kitchens in my life, is that you need electric sockets - at least twice as many as you think you need. I'd say you don't have enough.
@@GosforthHandyman We that me, I'd have had 8 just in kitchen part alone. My kitchen is half that size, and we have nine doubles! It's never a problem to put in too many, but always one to add them later. We don't use them all, but there's always one where you need it. As for built-in USB outlets, they are a "vampire" current sink - never switched off - a small draw, certainly, but even bit helps. Also, I've seen advice that they are the part of such sockets that fail most often. Anyway - it's looking good and I'm glad you're pleased with the result, despite enormous hard work involved.
Was going to make the same comment. Thought we had more than enough sockets but wish we’d gone for double the amount we did. Ended up having to plug and unplug counter-top appliances (and myriad electronic stuff you don’t think of) all the time when it would have been so easy to have had more sockets installed. Hindsight advice - work out how many you think you need and double it as Nicole said. I’m sure the Macs have thought of everything for their situation- but just thought I’d make the comment - if only to remind me if we ever have a kitchen opportunity again. Or any other room for that matter - we have older parts of the house with one single socket per bedroom - gradually working through them and thinking 3 or 4 doubles minimum. Not that we can afford to plug anything in any more. 🤣
The layout of our kitchen is very similar to yours, in particular we have French windows where your bifolds are. A few things I'd suggest after three years using our kitchen.Swap out the peninsula for an island, you don't want to have to walk around it every time you go in or out. Put units next to the dishwasher so that you can empty it without moving, and do drawers, not cupboards everywhere you can.
In my last house, I had plinth heaters in the kitchen - connected to the central heating, and electric, they blow warm air out whenever the heating is on. Very effective, and no wall space lost for radiators.
Yes, I have the same layout as shown in the video. I opted for the same hydronic plinth heaters and they are great. I didn't want to loose wall space. I used two - one either side of the peninsula breakfast bar. It required running the pipework and attaching it to the wall prior to the installation of the kitchen units, not forgetting power. Think they consume around 50w each for the fan.
Great video, I'd put the socket for the dish washer on the right hand side rather than under the sink just to keep the electrics and water/waste separate from each other. Just in case one leaks or you make a mess fixing a blocked sink etc. Cheers
I love the way you call your countertop a "workbench" 😂😂😂😂 Don't let Mrs Mac hear you saying that....I'm guessing that's the equivalent of Chandler calling the wedding a "party" !!!! 🤣
I've been going through a similar project almost at the same time in an 1870s Victorian Terrace, most I'd taken on before was a (quite extensive) renovation of a bedroom & lounge. But this is another level. I'm 2 months in and roughly at this stage! Kitchen (DIY kitchens) being delivered in 2 weeks time. First fix electrics were done today and bi-folds next week. This series definitely helped me at times!
And the rush begins, going to be grate when it's done looking like a well thought out addition. How nice it is doing bits like that your self so you know it is sound. I work in the trade and I know that too often some builders slap bits in with no professionalism if it out of site. This is why it's always nice to have a good relationship with your team and you'll soon know if they are good
First time I’ve commented but I’ve been watching since you got the keys, great to see it all coming together, as someone just starting in diy it’s great to see someone so knowledgeable 👍
Almost the exact layout we have I'm our new extension, except we have 2 larder units either side of fridge and no wall units. Used DIY Kitchens too, very good company and Web site.
I agree with the comments about centering the sink under the window. It would drive me crazy having it off-set. My suggestion would be to use two narrow cabinets on either side...one for storing baking sheets vertically, the other a pull out spice rack. I don't know if those options are available in the UK, but they are quite popular in newer kitchens here in the US.
Yes , I recommend a cupboard for trash bins and many drawers , possibly an appliance cupboard on the counter next to refrigerator for toaster tea kettle coffee maker etc. look forward to the knock through.
Andy, great to hear your thought processes. Not enough power points, and why not have switched spurs for the d/w and fridge and extractor so they are all lined up with the sockets around the worktop? You need to be able to switch appliances off quickly and fumbling in cupboards is a no-no. You don't want a socket under the sink, fit an unswitched socket behind or beside the d/w and for the extractor. Recommend drawers over cupboards for pots and pans, crockery, baking tins and all the rest, very space efficient. We have a cutlery drawer within a deep drawer and it works very well. Have you considered floor level lights in the kick boards? Don't forget USBs in the double sockets. Lots to think about as you say. Good luck to you both, exciting times.
I believe you need to be able to turn off a device without moving it (to meet regs). Like the fridge or dishwasher, so knowing where those appliances are going means you can then offset a socket.
A VR headset would be great for this kind of design, I am guessing the bigger companies already use them. The ability to walk through you kitchen, stand at the sink, open cupboards etc would be invaluable.
1st off congratulations and very well done for all your and Mrs. Mac's hard work, especially working through the winter, you both deserve full admiration to your commitment to this project. I would raise a couple of points about your layout. First off I could not bear a hulking great fridge/freezer in that position which will take off a good 700 - 800mm depth in your kitchen. By all means have one but place it in the corner to the left of your range - it will easily fit in where you plan the corner unit and you can adjust the units between it and the range to fill the gap and you will get more useful storage. I think you will find it will open up the space you have created both when you enter the room and as you look across from the table. You maybe able to make up for the "lost storage" (personally I find corner units do not store that much, even with pull out baskets) by extending your peninsula/breakfast bar which will provide more useful storage than a corner unit ever could or it may give sufficient room for an island although traffic flows around one will take space away from storage. Finally, keep in mind where you will put a waste bin in the layout, especially with a peninsula its a long walk outside to the bin. This was a mistake I made in my kitchen and the location of the bin has always been a bit of a compromise. Once again, my admiration for all your hard work.
A couple of suggestions, from when I design kitchens, put the china cupboard next to the dishwasher, so it is easy to unload and store, ideally with pull out shelves. Secondly rather than a corner cupboard under the peninsula, put the doors on the bifold door side so you get easy access into the corner from that side.
I was thinking of copyrighting the phrase ‘I’ve got a million little jobs to do at the minute’ as I say it so often myself. Bi-fold looks great - hope the summer is kind and you get to enjoy it this year after such a long wait. Really enjoying keeping up with your progress 👍👍
Put a larder cupboard next to the fridge. If you want to keep the peninsular, you could have shallower cupboard underneath. Lots of drawers. It's a shame having so many corner units. The peninsular one could be open the dining room side
Have you thought about the door of the corner unit at the wall end of the peninsular bench? If it opens on the dining room side instead of the kitchen side, it makes access much easier and it can be used for items that you might use in the dining room space rather than kitchen items.
Was about to say exactly the same comment! We have this arrangement on our island and it’s hugely helpful for quick access to coasters, placemats, napkins, etc at mealtimes.
We’ve done loads of kitchens throughout the years and I would definitely recommend an island over a peninsula. You are limited to one route to the sink with a peninsula and it gets annoying. Also you can get 110cm range cookers which are usually much better quality than the 90cm ones and Rangemaster (a subsidiary of Aga) ones are the bees knees. Just my thoughts from experience. Oh and as my husband has yet again smashed a bowl on our ceramic floor tiles……..😆
We have an unswitched socket under the bench for our dishwasher. But connected to a fused spur switch above the bench to switch it off if needed. It's a lot easier to switch it off quickly than scrambling in a cupboard.
We have just fitted our new kitchen, used DIY Kitchens for the design and purchase, really good website and prices were far below many others and the units a very well built. We used Al Murad Granite Worktops (Leeds) for the quartz tops any they were also fantastic to work with, great team. Keep us the great work Andy, loving following the progress 👍 👏
We have a switch (touch activated) underneath the overhead cupboards for those lights, I like it. Also may consider an outlet closer to the range, for a blender or something you use over/closer to the range. Maybe with those flaps to make it easier to clean with spatter and all. There is room under the counter close to the bifolds for a unit with a door facing the bifolds, if you could see a use for it (maybe outdoor kitchen stuff, or other stuff you use primarily in the garden or at the dining table, like table cloths, pan underthings, napkins etc) so you don't need to move into the kitchen for those.
So maybe a suggestion or two..... Resess the wall behind the refrigerator so you can push the fridge back so the front of the fridge is even with the depth of the counter. It will make it look taller and blend in with the rest of the kitchen better. Heated floors in the kitchen/ diner if you can. In the corners use lazy Suzannes inside with doors that open fully. Drawers. As many as you can get. (note: in some premaid cabinets the drawers are shortened debth wise so you don't get full drawers.) Since the sink will face an external wall, it may feel the cold more...maybe double insulate the incoming water pipes & drains. Water sensors under the sink and dishwasher.
If I can add something - don't put the sink under the window, the sink in modern homes is used infrequently (when we have dishwashers), so utilise the view of outside by having prep areas and herb gardens etc in the window zone... make nice areas, nice! Range cookers are a personal preference, but individual cookers with good quality seperate gas and convection hobs are the way forward. If at all possible, for the future I guess, it's really nice to think of bringing the cooking / kitchen area closer to the living room - so that when someone is cooking they don't feel isolated around the corner, it's not as bad as a door, but not far off. Good project so far, looking forward to seeing the results!
Kitchens can be heated using plinth heaters run off a wet central heating system; there are dual heaters too so they can also run on their own off electricity such as on a cool summer day. For home owners diy designing their kitchens, if buying from Howden that company will check the customer's design and produce a finished drawing for the installer - very helpful to avoid fitting problems!
I'll add to other commenters and say that you can never have enough sockets. My kitchen is smaller and I have seven double sockets for the counterspace. Not all are in constant use, but appliances have shorter cords nowadays, and there's always one handy. There may be appliances that you'll have twenty years from now that you'll need to plug in! Also, it's convenient to have the dishwasher located as close as possible to the cabinets where you store the dishes.
Nearly forgot, we are looking at redoing our kitchen, similar ish layout to yours and I am strongly Considering two dishwashers and less cabinets for pots, cups, plates etc, on the basis that one would be full of newly cleaned dishes and the dirty cups etc going in the other one, and then just turn it on when full instead of taking things out them stacking them in a cupboard on the wall and so on - so much easier.
I think the issue with that idea, is that the crockery or items in your newly washed dishwasher may never fully dry.. As certain items (mostly plastic), cups etc can collect water in little crevices on them.. Not massively hygienic I would say! But the idea is certainly interesting!
as someone else has commented, double the number of sockets at worktop level. Howdens did some good planning for us, good corner pull-out units Charles
Same as you, we used the DIY Kitchens designer and ordered with them. Can't fault them on price or quality. I managed to put in a large kitchen alone with very little skill. WE started with Wren, but a 35k kitchen wasn't realistic, with DIY Kitchens we got the kitchen in for less that 10k with top quality Bosch appliances.
@@GosforthHandyman I think they are very cool. I am really enjoying the series. Thanks for the sharing Andy. It is great to be able to watch it develop without any of your headaches! LOL. Can't wait for the next bit. Liking all the pre planning info/guidance too. Really useful heads up.
Coming on really well. Always impressed with your knowledge and experience. Have you considered having a couple of outside mains sockets added whilst the sparky is doing the rest? Really Looking to the “reveal” of the completed kitchen!
It is going to look brilliant. We have found ikea kitchens fantastic. Not keen on the backs but where reinforcements are required we just pop in a piece of marine ply to toughen it up. Otherwise the design and add on are terrific and last the distance. They also stand by their guarantee .
Hi Andy, you two are doing a great job on this property. Kitchens are a very personal choice, but may I suggest you both look at Ikea units, yes they do come flat packed but this is sometimes this is a blessing if you are transporting them yourself, generally they are available off the shelf so no waiting for items to be manufactured. Also you can have meatballs and mash in the same trip!! Just remember Mrs Mac will be in charge of the choices on this subject!
Fantastic to see the bifolds on. Forgive my suggestion over your experience and that its your property, i dont think that you have enough twin sockets in the worktop areas. A mistake that we are still living with, just a suggestion 😊. Regarding the under cupboard and if your having it kick space lighting , i cant recommend Robus Vegas led strip highly enough. You can buy it by the meter and its cutable so you can tailor it to your needs. And you can connect the drivers to Quintec receivers and switchs, to avoid lots of switch wires.
Draws draws draws! So much more user friendly and efficient. Could you make an appliance 'garage' in the corner by the fridge? Also consider a pull out pantry cupboard next to your fridge, honestly the best decision I ever made. Also I'd make one of your base cabinets for bins, again so much better to have it all hidden away. Really pleased you finally got your doors in and can move forward, looking forward to all the content to come!
So exciting! Would you consider centering your sink under the window so that you don't stare at a mullion while you're doing the dishes? this might mean that the dishwasher goes on the left, but I'm right-handed and that worked really well for me in my last house. I also had the same layout from sink to range turning a corner to the left. and if you put your sink centered on the window and dishwasher on the left this would give you more counter space for meal prep between the sink and the range. Just some thoughts!
Having gone through this process recently, right down to the same 'DIY' software, my only suggestion would be to make sure your radiator size is future proof. I'm trying to reduce my system flow rate to run at 50 degrees, maybe one day getting something cleaner than gas. I have a 1500 wide radiator, sized to the space, but for 50 degrees, I'll need it replaced for at least a triple panel. Covering it over will reduce the benefit also. On the slim unit, I got an open fronted 150mm wide unit from DIY Kitchens (along with the rest of the kitchen!) - great for chopping boards and baking trays and fills in little gaps!
Very nice. Enjoy your hard work. I'm in the midst of a kitchen remodel so make sure you really study the energy labels of your preferred appliances especially the American FF. As nice as they are they consume as much Kwhrs as an Aston Martin does petrol. I just bought a Samsung A rated 108kWh/yr bespoke FF in real stainless but the white/black version was 169kWh/yr. It all adds up.
Our kitchen's made by symphony, and it's falling apart slowly now after 9 years, it was a new build but not super well installed in the first place. Can 100% agree with comments about heavy bottomed drawers on full extension runners, some even come with a pull out cutlery tray attached to the worktop inside the top of the drawer, looks really tidy but a bit of a faff to open the drawer to open the curlery drawer. Howdens seem to be an excellent supplier of pretty heavy duty cabinets the M-in-L has a kitchen using their units, it's still looking good after 3 years.
It's great to see it all coming together. If I can add one suggestion, albeit probably too late: If your refrigerator is located inside a cabinet it needs a vent at the top of the cabinet to allow the hot air, produced by the condensor, to escape (hot air rises). Closing the cabinet top prevents the hot air from escaping and significantly reduces the component's efficiency and ability to cool.
I can't wait to see how this has moved on since early April. I would have added a pantry and had one cupboard facing outwards near the door instead of the corner unit.
I would suggest pair of sockets every 2 ft above the work surface , I have 7 sets and there are only 2 spare! Also ihave a tambour unit with a pair of sockets inside that I keep my mixer, processor and liquidiser in so all I have to do is pull them out onto the countertop and switch the socket on.
There will be a heat loss gradient across the room, and the bi-folds will be the coldest part. And the fridge will be the warmest part. The radiator position will just exacerbate the gradient. Have you considered something like ThermaSkirt? You can even mount it flat on the floor in front of a bi-fold.
a pal of mine had his low level cupboards installed 100mm further into the room than standard. it gives a deceptively deep work surface which is nice to have in a kitchen
@Gosforth Handyman. Excellent work sir! Thank you for the video. Don't know if you made provision previously - or I probably missed it. Did you decide to put the wiring for your kitchen/diner on a separate ring from the main house? Some important decisions ahead on the cabinets/appliances layout for you and Mrs. Mac. You and yours stay safe and well.
I would definitely recommend doing this, I have done it in my own kitchen and it looks so much better and I don't have to worry about cleaning to tops of the cupboards!
@gosforth handyman any updates on your kitchen? We are literally planning an extension of this size on a 1930s terraced. We are toying with the layout so I'd love to know how yours turned out
It sounds so funny/strange to hear you guys say "American style fridge"Also love that "dot & dab" Came across it when I was there a few years ago - from Canada - helping a friend remodel his bathroom.Clever to watch people do it.Took me a few tries but got to do it OK after a few tries
Ha yes, we love the US-style fridge freezers! What do you guys call them out of a matter of interest. Dot & dab is awesome. A lot of folk hate it since they don't know how to attach stuff on it, but once you know what fixings to use it's great. 👍
Always worth drilling your own holes through walls if possible, it saves that **** moment when you find the tradesperson has just blasted through with their SDS and blown the front of the brick off.
One thing I regret with kitchen is sockets, did not put enough in.. put 2 double socket for every unit you have. Last thing you want is to group your small appliances together and having trailing wires everywhere
Hi Andy. Did you consider making the carcasses? They are an outrageous price for chip board rubbish Birch ply is expensive for sure. If you could give a cut list to a yard like the one Peter Millard has near him I wonder what the price difference would be to chip board bought? Just a though, coming on great as a project
Hi, Are you really only having 2 double sockets on the long wall? I did that many years ago when we didn't have anywhere near as many devices to plug in. The cost of extra sockets before plastering is quite low. My advice would be to put in at least twice as many sockets as you think you need! Good video, I'm at the same point as this so it was really useful.
Forget the peninsula and choose an island that's because an island has so much more freedom to move and pass around and it could be easier a meeting point around! (A front line between the working zone and the dining/leisure area!?) We've got a peninsula at home here in Sweden, but my experience is that somehow too solid and complicated to meet around it. Think about it! 🙂 //Peter
Are those KoKo the clown working boots, they are massive? I suppose they could come in handy to carry around a chop saw on the left and a table saw on the right boot.
I don't know if you actually ordered the cabinets yet. The upper corner one near the window should be a corner cabinet, not a straight one. Reaching into the far side is a real pain. With the door at a 45, access is normal. The refrigerator can be recessed into the wall 3-4" so you can order a standard fridge. Otherwise, you need to order a cabinet depth one. These are smaller inside and sometimes special order. (and more money for a smaller fridge). It looks like you can remove the bricks with no problem. I'm not sure what it looks like on the other side. So...maybe. Btw, underfloor heating is really nice and fairly easy. Bare feet on the floor is a blessing...and no radiators.
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Good walkthrough, if anything I can recommend drawers for everything - pans, bowls, dry goods, everything really, you never have to crouch to reach in the back. And to think about where your small appliances go- coffeemaker, toaster, blender etc. With dedicated spaces for appliances and tasks and supplies everything becomes more usable. Bins are yet another afterthought.
100% drawers for everything. Bin is a good point also.
Defo! 👍
Definitely as many drawers as possible, not a fan of the "SMART CORNER" corner pull outs. But even if you go for double door pantry. Internal drawers.
+1 0n the bins. Deffo a pain to place them.
@@LostWhits I really want to see your way around fitting drawers into corner unit without leaving one side or the other completely unusable.
Even internal drawers need runners on both sides so there is really no way to use all the corner space.
Corner doors plus swinging pullouts are invented for that specific purpose, but even those don't use up 100% of the corner.
Great to be part of the process. One thing i'd change is move the dishwasher so your sink is perfectly central in the window. Being off to the side would really mess with my OCD.
Bear in mind the drainer isn't shown but just depends on the final unit sizes. 👍
My dad had designed his kitchen in the early 90s. Double bowl, double drainer sink offset to the left to allow space for optional dishwasher on right hand side..
Instead the cabinetmaker cut the sink centre of the window, and I had to hand wash dishes for the next 12years.
I would recommend more cupboards. What about two tall cupboards either side of the fridge. And maybe one over the top of the fridge. Thou I guess the kitchen is now fitted as this video was done in April !
I so agree with you! Lol lol
Kitchens are all about the balance.. symmetry.. glass doors i told customers open your cabinet thats what you see..For display only but great as a focal point.. Crown only on cabinet tops or it becomes too much.. Lost the pop.. Build out your cabinets for your fridge 36x72 standard openning.. Or side panels.. Shallow depth fridges are for people too dumb to know cabinets can be custom fitted there.( budget custom areas)(fridges break down cousin was full custom weird size 12k to replace it) a must more peoples demanded then any other a pantry with full ball bearing extensions doesnt have to be hugh. not higher then standing the higher sections for long term storage items.. A few can be double deep for those bigger items.. Idea, at your cabinet normal doors think drawers full sided full extension.. WHY because they are a hell of a lot easier to use..no open doors both to clear rollout hardware then pull out rollout... fast for heavy pots pans.. custom the sizes depth.. As stated earlier budget for extras.. cornor cabinets use as overflow storage.. especially at base. Bending over sucks really fast.. remember pantry with slide outs waist height.. zero bending.. sink stainless steel must be surgical stainless spend 500 or more under mounts are a permanent fixture,OK.. No water heaters at sink they just dont last..garbage disposale increase clogged pipes.. It just does.. A high backsplash locks kitchen in..a low splash allows a update to occur at sales time.. handles well get extras plus standard holes, again for updating later on.. No wood floors? why dishwasher venting kills the floor, yup.. Most homes cannot use an island no room see standard distances.. Rolling islands destroys floors, i was not allowed to sell them.. rollers dig in.. wood dont last and is very needy oils grease is a low cost finish remover.. remember to clean top of doors.. Great if selling now.. Not for a year or 2 sale.. remember click clack thats the room necessary for handles to clear cabinets.. Cornors.. When wiffy looks at counter top material blue printers measure job out and plan material stop the urge to have profile at fridge area.. I know an empty kitchen befuddles the mind.. But the profile comes out 1.5 inches or more..NOW MY FRIDGE WONT FIT!!! No more 36 inche width..Counter top guys dont care about fridge fitting just doing what you want.. i have seen this way too many times.. It aint funny if your fancy 4k fridge dont fit..Then have to move to a smaller thinner fridge that looks stupid.. NEVER reuse weird size fridge on redo..standard is 36x72.. I walked away from many a home sale because obsolete fridge was custom fitted to kitchen.. Aint no way to fix that without redo of kitchen.. Balance and symetry... Items appliances to install must be present in home before final measuring..In manufactures brochures it states changes can and do occur in production runs.. Funny one here peoples lock in the dishwasher, adding a high floor after dishwasher installed woops it aint coming out happens more then you think.. raise base cabinets up to account for flooring.. (I had 1 recalled right before i did the flooring resale though but still 1 week later a really pissed off me.. Reverse osmosis lost me way too many kitchen deals.. It will leak ruin sub flooring so entire kitchen base and counter top removal to fix sub floor.. Lost soo much monies on those screwups.. And icemakers are disgusting, reality check the fridge is a open space cold from freezer its all open..so that frozen foods and items stored in fridge will migrate into icecubes..thats disgusting, it just is...Oh the worst having a garbage can built into cabinets.. The rotten bananna smell migrates all thru cabinets, yes it does.. I can still smell my utensils gross...And it lingers after trash day..... The electrical must be updated to be code compliant..but you already knew that.. At sink always 2 lights so a shadow is not cast.. My company would correct my mistake and charge me back..ouch.... Honestly the layout of your original kitchen is basically the way it is unless you wanna break walls and add a vent out the roof.. Removing walls is a nightmare one never knows what luckes in those hidden spaces.. wiring, plumbing a/c vents..Plus there is the leveling of floors, or the lack therof.. Waste line drop, look that one up it bit me a lot... Check your breaker panel WHY?? because you need more panel runs silly, direct lines fridge. microwahood, instant hot water multiple gfci outlets on back splash see codes. Yikes no room in panel now gotta replace it for a bigger one..oops now a drop from the main line on street to accomodate more power requirements to bigger panel... I sold kitchens like 500 or so.. If i left something out I was charged back for it.. It was performed.. Noo matter my mistake.. But for me that was really rare... I tell my friends to never get into kitchen cabinet business, its way too complicated, customers demand perfection. You better be great at math, detail orientated or you will starve.. All jobs were estimated on a 20 page contract.. I estimated company finalized what I sold, charged me back.... But you better have great installers above the rest.. Who stay till the job is right..we even had repair crews to finalize woops..like oversized cover plates for electrical.. Never have items built onto counter top, water will get in and ruin them.yes it will.. A lot of cabinets face frames are particle board crap, cheap now,maybe but doors fall of in a few years.. yes they do.. There are companies that spray paint basic wood to look like cherrry wood.. Its called a 1 hit wounder,,, when finish paint wears cabinets are unrepairable junk.. I turned my competier sample to a picture frame.. It aint cherry.. Im retired now, selling kitchens was a great profitable gig.. I cannot tell you how many times i went back to a job pitched by a newbee(that quit or fired) that was way under bid.. By over 12k.. The origanal sales moron would have been allowed that screwup.. but me an exact anal only 1 job oops would have had job rejected or zero monies to me..I do not work for free.. do you.. Kitchens are the 1 room mistakes are not allowed.. Have fun..Im gonna goof off...Oh me never wood, id sell it yea, but never use it.. Thermofoil of formica for me windex and go.. can last forever....... peace youll need it..
Fantastic Andy, so glad you have the doors in finally! It’s looking great!
Cheers - sitting looking out of them as I type! 🌞
I would absolutely agree about the sink being centered in the window. Looking out to the beautiful yard with an obstruction in the window in front of me would make me crazy. I just redid my kitchen and put in many drawer lower cabinets. Really love them and wish I did even more. Can't wait to see your final result!
Cheers Lisa! Yeah, sink will be in front of the left pane. 👍
My advice from having done several kitchens in my life, is that you need electric sockets - at least twice as many as you think you need. I'd say you don't have enough.
8 doubles in that room plus USB so should be fine. 👍😁
@@GosforthHandyman We that me, I'd have had 8 just in kitchen part alone. My kitchen is half that size, and we have nine doubles! It's never a problem to put in too many, but always one to add them later. We don't use them all, but there's always one where you need it. As for built-in USB outlets, they are a "vampire" current sink - never switched off - a small draw, certainly, but even bit helps. Also, I've seen advice that they are the part of such sockets that fail most often. Anyway - it's looking good and I'm glad you're pleased with the result, despite enormous hard work involved.
Was going to make the same comment. Thought we had more than enough sockets but wish we’d gone for double the amount we did. Ended up having to plug and unplug counter-top appliances (and myriad electronic stuff you don’t think of) all the time when it would have been so easy to have had more sockets installed. Hindsight advice - work out how many you think you need and double it as Nicole said. I’m sure the Macs have thought of everything for their situation- but just thought I’d make the comment - if only to remind me if we ever have a kitchen opportunity again. Or any other room for that matter - we have older parts of the house with one single socket per bedroom - gradually working through them and thinking 3 or 4 doubles minimum. Not that we can afford to plug anything in any more. 🤣
I agree, I was thinking the same.
The layout of our kitchen is very similar to yours, in particular we have French windows where your bifolds are. A few things I'd suggest after three years using our kitchen.Swap out the peninsula for an island, you don't want to have to walk around it every time you go in or out. Put units next to the dishwasher so that you can empty it without moving, and do drawers, not cupboards everywhere you can.
In my last house, I had plinth heaters in the kitchen - connected to the central heating, and electric, they blow warm air out whenever the heating is on.
Very effective, and no wall space lost for radiators.
Nice! 👍
Yes, I have the same layout as shown in the video. I opted for the same hydronic plinth heaters and they are great. I didn't want to loose wall space. I used two - one either side of the peninsula breakfast bar. It required running the pipework and attaching it to the wall prior to the installation of the kitchen units, not forgetting power. Think they consume around 50w each for the fan.
I think those bifold door are fantastic, really brings the outside in!
Cheers - we love them! 🌞
Great video, I'd put the socket for the dish washer on the right hand side rather than under the sink just to keep the electrics and water/waste separate from each other. Just in case one leaks or you make a mess fixing a blocked sink etc.
Cheers
I love the way you call your countertop a "workbench" 😂😂😂😂 Don't let Mrs Mac hear you saying that....I'm guessing that's the equivalent of Chandler calling the wedding a "party" !!!! 🤣
😂😂 I'll be storing my tools in the kitchen for a good while 😉
So interesting, Andy. You can never have enough sockets 🌞
Too right! 😎
I've been going through a similar project almost at the same time in an 1870s Victorian Terrace, most I'd taken on before was a (quite extensive) renovation of a bedroom & lounge. But this is another level. I'm 2 months in and roughly at this stage! Kitchen (DIY kitchens) being delivered in 2 weeks time. First fix electrics were done today and bi-folds next week. This series definitely helped me at times!
Its looking great coming along, always takes time to do things properly.
And the rush begins, going to be grate when it's done looking like a well thought out addition. How nice it is doing bits like that your self so you know it is sound.
I work in the trade and I know that too often some builders slap bits in with no professionalism if it out of site.
This is why it's always nice to have a good relationship with your team and you'll soon know if they are good
Cheers Jay!
Yey, the doors are in!!! Happy for you 😀 ... now HAMMER time 😁
Cheers - yes, huge difference!
Great stuff, Andy. Love the bifold!
Cheers Rob - such a difference!
Amazed at the difference it's made with the doors in. Congrats Andy, at last! Exciting times ahead. 🙌🏽👏🏼
Cheers Mandy! Yeah - huge difference! 👍😁
Looking very nice and with look amazing when completed. Great walk through and tips Andy thank you for your time. stay safe.
Cheers Neil!
First time I’ve commented but I’ve been watching since you got the keys, great to see it all coming together, as someone just starting in diy it’s great to see someone so knowledgeable 👍
Thank you and welcome to the comments! 👍👍
Almost the exact layout we have I'm our new extension, except we have 2 larder units either side of fridge and no wall units. Used DIY Kitchens too, very good company and Web site.
Great stuff! 👍
i have used this particular kitchen designer many times and it's very good
Wow what a transformation great content my friend coming on really good now well done 👍
I agree with the comments about centering the sink under the window. It would drive me crazy having it off-set. My suggestion would be to use two narrow cabinets on either side...one for storing baking sheets vertically, the other a pull out spice rack. I don't know if those options are available in the UK, but they are quite popular in newer kitchens here in the US.
Looking good. Well done
Cheers Glyn!
Those bi folds are lovely, will be nice on those hot summer days
Cheers - yes, they're great! Lovely for a morning coffee in the sun. 🌞
You could try a tall pantry cabinet by the fridge in the small gap on the radiator side.
Watch this space!
Yes , I recommend a cupboard for trash bins and many drawers , possibly an appliance cupboard on the counter next to refrigerator for toaster tea kettle coffee maker etc. look forward to the knock through.
Giant larder unit coming 😁
Andy, great to hear your thought processes. Not enough power points, and why not have switched spurs for the d/w and fridge and extractor so they are all lined up with the sockets around the worktop? You need to be able to switch appliances off quickly and fumbling in cupboards is a no-no. You don't want a socket under the sink, fit an unswitched socket behind or beside the d/w and for the extractor. Recommend drawers over cupboards for pots and pans, crockery, baking tins and all the rest, very space efficient. We have a cutlery drawer within a deep drawer and it works very well. Have you considered floor level lights in the kick boards? Don't forget USBs in the double sockets. Lots to think about as you say. Good luck to you both, exciting times.
I believe you need to be able to turn off a device without moving it (to meet regs). Like the fridge or dishwasher, so knowing where those appliances are going means you can then offset a socket.
SketchUp Layout has transformed my DIY shenanigans.
Too right! 👍
A VR headset would be great for this kind of design, I am guessing the bigger companies already use them. The ability to walk through you kitchen, stand at the sink, open cupboards etc would be invaluable.
Yeah, I think companies do the VR thing! 👍
1st off congratulations and very well done for all your and Mrs. Mac's hard work, especially working through the winter, you both deserve full admiration to your commitment to this project.
I would raise a couple of points about your layout. First off I could not bear a hulking great fridge/freezer in that position which will take off a good 700 - 800mm depth in your kitchen. By all means have one but place it in the corner to the left of your range - it will easily fit in where you plan the corner unit and you can adjust the units between it and the range to fill the gap and you will get more useful storage. I think you will find it will open up the space you have created both when you enter the room and as you look across from the table. You maybe able to make up for the "lost storage" (personally I find corner units do not store that much, even with pull out baskets) by extending your peninsula/breakfast bar which will provide more useful storage than a corner unit ever could or it may give sufficient room for an island although traffic flows around one will take space away from storage.
Finally, keep in mind where you will put a waste bin in the layout, especially with a peninsula its a long walk outside to the bin. This was a mistake I made in my kitchen and the location of the bin has always been a bit of a compromise.
Once again, my admiration for all your hard work.
Great 3D video tutorial Andy. Very instructive. All coming together now....
Cheers Stewart!
You will probably need a greywater discharge for the dishwasher. Very specific, tidy, simple to understand. I really like your videos.
Cheers! Yup, dishwasher will share the sink waste. 👍
Great work and thanks for sharing this with us take care
Looking Good Andy........hooray bifolds at last !!
A couple of suggestions, from when I design kitchens, put the china cupboard next to the dishwasher, so it is easy to unload and store, ideally with pull out shelves. Secondly rather than a corner cupboard under the peninsula, put the doors on the bifold door side so you get easy access into the corner from that side.
Good ideas! 👍
We had access doors on the peninsula side in our old kitchen and it worked really well!
I was thinking of copyrighting the phrase ‘I’ve got a million little jobs to do at the minute’ as I say it so often myself. Bi-fold looks great - hope the summer is kind and you get to enjoy it this year after such a long wait. Really enjoying keeping up with your progress 👍👍
Put a larder cupboard next to the fridge. If you want to keep the peninsular, you could have shallower cupboard underneath. Lots of drawers. It's a shame having so many corner units. The peninsular one could be open the dining room side
You read our minds Jules! Huge corner larder going to the right of the fridge. 👍
Have you thought about the door of the corner unit at the wall end of the peninsular bench? If it opens on the dining room side instead of the kitchen side, it makes access much easier and it can be used for items that you might use in the dining room space rather than kitchen items.
Was about to say exactly the same comment! We have this arrangement on our island and it’s hugely helpful for quick access to coasters, placemats, napkins, etc at mealtimes.
We’ve done loads of kitchens throughout the years and I would definitely recommend an island over a peninsula. You are limited to one route to the sink with a peninsula and it gets annoying.
Also you can get 110cm range cookers which are usually much better quality than the 90cm ones and Rangemaster (a subsidiary of Aga) ones are the bees knees. Just my thoughts from experience.
Oh and as my husband has yet again smashed a bowl on our ceramic floor tiles……..😆
You just need a comically oversized clock on the wall over the peninsula and the words “live, love,laugh” to finish it off. Lovely
Ha ha, we have one! 😂
Lmao, or some other life-affirming nonsense sourced from Pinterest. 😅
Defo won't have the life-affirming nonsense though. 🤮🤮
We have an unswitched socket under the bench for our dishwasher. But connected to a fused spur switch above the bench to switch it off if needed. It's a lot easier to switch it off quickly than scrambling in a cupboard.
Not a fan of loads of bench level switches - never had a situation where we need to switch it off that quickly. But personal preference! 👍😁
Outside lights cabling will be out of zones unless you're planning on having blank plates on the inside
Great job. Might consider planning water to fridge for an ice maker.
Yup, will be plumbed in 👍
We have just fitted our new kitchen, used DIY Kitchens for the design and purchase, really good website and prices were far below many others and the units a very well built.
We used Al Murad Granite Worktops (Leeds) for the quartz tops any they were also fantastic to work with, great team.
Keep us the great work Andy, loving following the progress 👍 👏
Great stuff and good to know! 👍👍
We have a switch (touch activated) underneath the overhead cupboards for those lights, I like it.
Also may consider an outlet closer to the range, for a blender or something you use over/closer to the range. Maybe with those flaps to make it easier to clean with spatter and all.
There is room under the counter close to the bifolds for a unit with a door facing the bifolds, if you could see a use for it (maybe outdoor kitchen stuff, or other stuff you use primarily in the garden or at the dining table, like table cloths, pan underthings, napkins etc) so you don't need to move into the kitchen for those.
Great tips! There's 3 double sockets near the range at the mo. 👍
So maybe a suggestion or two.....
Resess the wall behind the refrigerator so you can push the fridge back so the front of the fridge is even with the depth of the counter. It will make it look taller and blend in with the rest of the kitchen better.
Heated floors in the kitchen/ diner if you can.
In the corners use lazy Suzannes inside with doors that open fully.
Drawers. As many as you can get. (note: in some premaid cabinets the drawers are shortened debth wise so you don't get full drawers.)
Since the sink will face an external wall, it may feel the cold more...maybe double insulate the incoming water pipes & drains.
Water sensors under the sink and dishwasher.
If I can add something - don't put the sink under the window, the sink in modern homes is used infrequently (when we have dishwashers), so utilise the view of outside by having prep areas and herb gardens etc in the window zone... make nice areas, nice! Range cookers are a personal preference, but individual cookers with good quality seperate gas and convection hobs are the way forward. If at all possible, for the future I guess, it's really nice to think of bringing the cooking / kitchen area closer to the living room - so that when someone is cooking they don't feel isolated around the corner, it's not as bad as a door, but not far off. Good project so far, looking forward to seeing the results!
Kitchens can be heated using plinth heaters run off a wet central heating system; there are dual heaters too so they can also run on their own off electricity such as on a cool summer day.
For home owners diy designing their kitchens, if buying from Howden that company will check the customer's design and produce a finished drawing for the installer - very helpful to avoid fitting problems!
I'll add to other commenters and say that you can never have enough sockets. My kitchen is smaller and I have seven double sockets for the counterspace. Not all are in constant use, but appliances have shorter cords nowadays, and there's always one handy. There may be appliances that you'll have twenty years from now that you'll need to plug in! Also, it's convenient to have the dishwasher located as close as possible to the cabinets where you store the dishes.
Cheers Bob! Thankfully with dot & dab it's very easy to add extra sockets if needed. Got 8 doubles in that room plus USB so should be good. 👍
Nearly forgot, we are looking at redoing our kitchen, similar ish layout to yours and I am strongly Considering two dishwashers and less cabinets for pots, cups, plates etc, on the basis that one would be full of newly cleaned dishes and the dirty cups etc going in the other one, and then just turn it on when full instead of taking things out them stacking them in a cupboard on the wall and so on - so much easier.
Interesting - never seen that done before!
That might be genius, (reaches for the notepad)
Two dishwashers - good call sir!
I think the issue with that idea, is that the crockery or items in your newly washed dishwasher may never fully dry.. As certain items (mostly plastic), cups etc can collect water in little crevices on them.. Not massively hygienic I would say! But the idea is certainly interesting!
You still have loads od space in your back garden - a wood-fired sauna and a stove perhaps. I can recommend Harvia brand.
Interesting - very tempting! 👍😂
as someone else has commented, double the number of sockets at worktop level. Howdens did some good planning for us, good corner pull-out units Charles
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Great safety zones for the cables on the inside for the outside lights
No idea if you're being sarcastic 😂
Same as you, we used the DIY Kitchens designer and ordered with them. Can't fault them on price or quality. I managed to put in a large kitchen alone with very little skill. WE started with Wren, but a 35k kitchen wasn't realistic, with DIY Kitchens we got the kitchen in for less that 10k with top quality Bosch appliances.
Loving the doors.
Such a difference!
@@GosforthHandyman I think they are very cool. I am really enjoying the series. Thanks for the sharing Andy. It is great to be able to watch it develop without any of your headaches! LOL. Can't wait for the next bit. Liking all the pre planning info/guidance too. Really useful heads up.
Great video it's so exciting to the this process step by step
Cheers - another step closer!
Coming on really well. Always impressed with your knowledge and experience. Have you considered having a couple of outside mains sockets added whilst the sparky is doing the rest? Really Looking to the “reveal” of the completed kitchen!
It is going to look brilliant. We have found ikea kitchens fantastic. Not keen on the backs but where reinforcements are required we just pop in a piece of marine ply to toughen it up. Otherwise the design and add on are terrific and last the distance. They also stand by their guarantee .
Cheers Jean! Not an IKEA fan I'm afraid! 😁
I would put the dishwasher between stove and sink, near the top cabinets. So cleaning out the dishwasher is faster.
Those top cabinets aren't going there any more. 👍😁
Love this. Great insight into kitchen design! 💪🏾
Cheers bud!
I’d have more walk cupboards and build in the microwave. Did this with Howdens and it’s not expensive. Gets it out of the way
Hi Andy, you two are doing a great job on this property.
Kitchens are a very personal choice, but may I suggest you both look at Ikea units, yes they do come flat packed but this is sometimes this is a blessing if you are transporting them yourself, generally they are available off the shelf so no waiting for items to be manufactured. Also you can have meatballs and mash in the same trip!! Just remember Mrs Mac will be in charge of the choices on this subject!
Not a fan of IKEA I'm afraid! Cheers though! 👍
Fantastic to see the bifolds on. Forgive my suggestion over your experience and that its your property, i dont think that you have enough twin sockets in the worktop areas. A mistake that we are still living with, just a suggestion 😊.
Regarding the under cupboard and if your having it kick space lighting , i cant recommend Robus Vegas led strip highly enough. You can buy it by the meter and its cutable so you can tailor it to your needs. And you can connect the drivers to Quintec receivers and switchs, to avoid lots of switch wires.
Cheers Paul! There's 4 x twins at worktop height at the mo but with it being dot & dab it's very easy to add extra ones if needed. 👍😁
Draws draws draws! So much more user friendly and efficient. Could you make an appliance 'garage' in the corner by the fridge? Also consider a pull out pantry cupboard next to your fridge, honestly the best decision I ever made. Also I'd make one of your base cabinets for bins, again so much better to have it all hidden away. Really pleased you finally got your doors in and can move forward, looking forward to all the content to come!
Cheers Sarah! Having a giant walk in corner larder unit now. 👍
Beginning to pick-up pace Mr Mac,looking really good.👍👍
Cheers - yes, motoring now! 👍
So exciting! Would you consider centering your sink under the window so that you don't stare at a mullion while you're doing the dishes? this might mean that the dishwasher goes on the left, but I'm right-handed and that worked really well for me in my last house. I also had the same layout from sink to range turning a corner to the left. and if you put your sink centered on the window and dishwasher on the left this would give you more counter space for meal prep between the sink and the range. Just some thoughts!
Having gone through this process recently, right down to the same 'DIY' software, my only suggestion would be to make sure your radiator size is future proof. I'm trying to reduce my system flow rate to run at 50 degrees, maybe one day getting something cleaner than gas. I have a 1500 wide radiator, sized to the space, but for 50 degrees, I'll need it replaced for at least a triple panel. Covering it over will reduce the benefit also. On the slim unit, I got an open fronted 150mm wide unit from DIY Kitchens (along with the rest of the kitchen!) - great for chopping boards and baking trays and fills in little gaps!
I also took the opportunity to get rid of gas in the kitchen, one little bit less fossil fuel being burnt!
Very nice. Enjoy your hard work.
I'm in the midst of a kitchen remodel so make sure you really study the energy labels of your preferred appliances especially the American FF. As nice as they are they consume as much Kwhrs as an Aston Martin does petrol.
I just bought a Samsung A rated 108kWh/yr bespoke FF in real stainless but the white/black version was 169kWh/yr. It all adds up.
Nice one Andy. I bet you've soon forgotten all the trials of the past once you've got to this stage 🧐👍
Tell me about it - still loads to do! 😁
Our kitchen's made by symphony, and it's falling apart slowly now after 9 years, it was a new build but not super well installed in the first place. Can 100% agree with comments about heavy bottomed drawers on full extension runners, some even come with a pull out cutlery tray attached to the worktop inside the top of the drawer, looks really tidy but a bit of a faff to open the drawer to open the curlery drawer. Howdens seem to be an excellent supplier of pretty heavy duty cabinets the M-in-L has a kitchen using their units, it's still looking good after 3 years.
Ha, we had a Symphony kitchen in our new build and it was terrible. 😂👍
It's great to see it all coming together. If I can add one suggestion, albeit probably too late: If your refrigerator is located inside a cabinet it needs a vent at the top of the cabinet to allow the hot air, produced by the condensor, to escape (hot air rises). Closing the cabinet top prevents the hot air from escaping and significantly reduces the component's efficiency and ability to cool.
Yeah, there'll be top box over the fridge, so totally open at the back. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman See you are going for plumbed in but remember to check on where the water filter goes! Some are external to fridge/freezer!
I can't wait to see how this has moved on since early April.
I would have added a pantry and had one cupboard facing outwards near the door instead of the corner unit.
I would suggest pair of sockets every 2 ft above the work surface , I have 7 sets and there are only 2 spare! Also ihave a tambour unit with a pair of sockets inside that I keep my mixer, processor and liquidiser in so all I have to do is pull them out onto the countertop and switch the socket on.
Nice one! 8 doubles + USB in that room. 👍👍
There will be a heat loss gradient across the room, and the bi-folds will be the coldest part. And the fridge will be the warmest part. The radiator position will just exacerbate the gradient. Have you considered something like ThermaSkirt? You can even mount it flat on the floor in front of a bi-fold.
Even on cold days with no heating the room is warm due to the thermal mass of the concrete walls so we'll see how it goes. It's VERY well insulated. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman But I am guessing there's a gradient, and that the expanse of glass will be 'radiating coolth'.
Die Terrassentür ist sehr schön.
a pal of mine had his low level cupboards installed 100mm further into the room than standard. it gives a deceptively deep work surface which is nice to have in a kitchen
Interesting! 👍
@Gosforth Handyman. Excellent work sir! Thank you for the video. Don't know if you made provision previously - or I probably missed it. Did you decide to put the wiring for your kitchen/diner on a separate ring from the main house? Some important decisions ahead on the cabinets/appliances layout for you and Mrs. Mac. You and yours stay safe and well.
Did you consider taking the upper cupboards to the ceiling? I think it's meant to make the kitchen look more fancy and easy to clean etc.
I would definitely recommend doing this, I have done it in my own kitchen and it looks so much better and I don't have to worry about cleaning to tops of the cupboards!
Not sure how that would work with a vaulted ceiling? 🤔
Looks wonderful. Does it seem that the extractor is too low and is in bang your head level? I am probably wrong.
All amazing. Love the doors
taking shape :)
@gosforth handyman any updates on your kitchen? We are literally planning an extension of this size on a 1930s terraced. We are toying with the layout so I'd love to know how yours turned out
I'm sure you have already planned the sockets, Andy but may I suggest that you have a few that include USB charging and playing points included.
is underfloor heating an option rather than a rad?
It sounds so funny/strange to hear you guys say "American style fridge"Also love that "dot & dab" Came across it when I was there a few years ago - from Canada - helping a friend remodel his bathroom.Clever to watch people do it.Took me a few tries but got to do it OK after a few tries
Ha yes, we love the US-style fridge freezers! What do you guys call them out of a matter of interest. Dot & dab is awesome. A lot of folk hate it since they don't know how to attach stuff on it, but once you know what fixings to use it's great. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman Just fridges - Canada/US/similar in most things,except prices because of their 360m population against our 38 lol
Wow, I've never seen bi-fold doors before!👍💯
They're great! 👍
They're not common in the US but seem to be popular in the UK. The climate is different there!
@@Bobrogers99 yes - wetter, colder and often windy - so you don't get much opportunity to open your bi-fold doors ........!!!
@@Bobrogers99 Depends on where you live. I've seen up to 8 panel folding doors for large homes. Bifolds themselves are very common.
If yo have a wide oven, make sure the sunk is big enough to wash the oven trays.
I don't think we've ever owned a sink where you can fit the entire oven tray in. Now I need to check. 😂
Always worth drilling your own holes through walls if possible, it saves that **** moment when you find the tradesperson has just blasted through with their SDS and blown the front of the brick off.
Defo! Had many horror stories of that exact thing. 😭
One thing I regret with kitchen is sockets, did not put enough in.. put 2 double socket for every unit you have. Last thing you want is to group your small appliances together and having trailing wires everywhere
Hi Andy. Did you consider making the carcasses? They are an outrageous price for chip board rubbish
Birch ply is expensive for sure. If you could give a cut list to a yard like the one Peter Millard has near him I wonder what the price difference would be to chip board bought?
Just a though, coming on great as a project
Hi, Are you really only having 2 double sockets on the long wall? I did that many years ago when we didn't have anywhere near as many devices to plug in. The cost of extra sockets before plastering is quite low. My advice would be to put in at least twice as many sockets as you think you need! Good video, I'm at the same point as this so it was really useful.
looking good
Cheers Darren!
Any advice on cabinet voids at the back of units for plumbing etc? Diy-kitchens have 40mm, would this be enough waste fittings?
I really need to up my game.
Forget the peninsula and choose an island that's because an island has so much more freedom to move and pass around and it could be easier a meeting point around! (A front line between the working zone and the dining/leisure area!?)
We've got a peninsula at home here in Sweden, but my experience is that somehow too solid and complicated to meet around it.
Think about it! 🙂
//Peter
Are those KoKo the clown working boots, they are massive? I suppose they could come in handy to carry around a chop saw on the left and a table saw on the right boot.
I don't know if you actually ordered the cabinets yet. The upper corner one near the window should be a corner cabinet, not a straight one. Reaching into the far side is a real pain. With the door at a 45, access is normal.
The refrigerator can be recessed into the wall 3-4" so you can order a standard fridge. Otherwise, you need to order a cabinet depth one. These are smaller inside and sometimes special order. (and more money for a smaller fridge).
It looks like you can remove the bricks with no problem. I'm not sure what it looks like on the other side. So...maybe.
Btw, underfloor heating is really nice and fairly easy. Bare feet on the floor is a blessing...and no radiators.
Addendum, yes you need more sockets !, especially at the end of the peninsula.
8 doubles in that room but might add one under the breakfast bar. 👍