Don’t be seduced by the distance. Instead be disturbed by the distance dispersion. 20 yards difference in carry from front to back is not what you want in your irons. Irons are about precision and consistency. 2 jumpers out of 8… that’s 25%! Anything but precise and consistent.
I totally agree, if he goes left of center at all he flies the green and around where I play thats bush. Definitely has hot spots! That’s why spin retention is so important with irons because he’s only losing 600 or so rpm and flies it 15 yards further. That’s scary and a ticking time bomb on the course.
I totally agree! My buddy has the Callaway Rogue X iron’s and flies the green by 10-20 yard’s quite often. That usually ends in a lost ball. Nobody should want a club that goes 160 on average, but flies 180 on a miss hit. Let’s not even get into hitting out of the rough.
You guys have discovered what I discovered over the last 7-1/2 weeks as an official Callaway / MyGolfSpy tester of the Callaway Paradym irons! I’m 74 years old and have a 7- iron clubhead speed about 3-4 MPH slower than Kevin, and I have consistently gotten 160-170 yards of carry wither Paradym 7-iron. Yes, there are absolutely some “jumpers” with the Paradyms, where I have gotten more than 175-177 yards of carry with that 7-iron (and as much as 215 yards with the Paradym 5-iron!). I even played 9 holes of all-irons golf with those Paradym irons and it helped my score tremendously, plus I still reached both par-5 holes on that nine with lofted wedges (AW, SW or LW) for my third shots.
I play to a plus with P790s. I picked up Paradyme X because at 64 and battling military disabilities wanted to see distance gains. I play from blues or tips. No hot iron shots so far. I use the same tempo with these clubs. These clubs are crazy long yet land and stop like a rock on the green for me.
@@hiltd0860 Tried them at my local range, getting fitted Thursday... they FEEL incredible, send the ball absolutely flying, seemed for me to have MUCH better dispersion than my Lynx Predators... I didn't get any sudden flyers either as long as I kept my swing consistent. Really pretty and effective clubs that feel great to use, I can't wait!
Got fitted by Kevin in Columbia. He put me in 2 Ping hybrids that changed my game (probably still need a lesson for my driver :) Great to see his content!
21 yards difference between shots with 10 balls hit seems very inconsistent! I'll continue using my 2004 model Bridgestone J36 irons. They may not go as far but the distance I can trust every time!
I like the look and given the loft of 29 degrees (my 6i) the spin is very reasonable... but there is a problem with consistency with this iron, 2 jumpers in 10 shots is not something I could trust
If you bend/order those 2-degrees weak for a 31-degree 7-iron, off the grass it will be spinning basically 6000rpms and you will have a club with even less offset that even low handicappers will like. It's like an older Apex CF-16/19 shape that isn't clicky - and that is a club that most golfers can play - from 3 handicap to 25.
I just got fitted for the Paradym X and stupid easy to hit as an 8 handicap and dispersion was solid. Easily 10-15 yard longer than my callaway epics and very happy with that. Even misfits straight and still long. Plan to also do a fitting for the new Pings and decide after that
I'm a 40+ handicapper. I would like to ask if you think this club might fit me. Cause right now, I got gapping issues with my 6 hybrid to 7 iron (Stealth 6 hybrid at 28 to Launchpad 7 at 30.) I looked at the specs and the perfect way I would be able to gap would be to play the X at 8 iron at 31.5 and my Launchpad 8 at 34 with my Launchpad 9 next at 39 and the X at PW at 41 and AW at 46. I know that's a little gapping issue at the bottom end but I'd much rather hit a full 9 and make sure it goes high as than a full PW and possibly thin the hell out of it by trying to hit it too hard. You think that might be a good strategy or try something else?
It would be very useful to see the results for someone with a 7 iron swing speed of 75 mph. The kind of player who gets 130 to 160 yards with a 7 iron and has a 10 to 18 handicap. Kraft has a swing speed more typical for a scratch to 5 handicapper.
Well, I personally can give you something close. I have a 28 degree 6 hybrid and I swing around that 75mph swing speed you're looking at and I'm a pretty consistent 145 to 150. So with a 29 degree iron, I'd expect maybe 135-140 numbers.
@@jacobwilkie241 Thanks, much appreciated. I am 81, will be 82 in June, and am still playing forged blades with weak lofts. With my 35 degree 7 iron with a 77 gram Nippon Zelos 7 stiff shaft that I just changed to instead of my 120 gram Rifle Lite stiff shafts I have been getting an average carry of 134 yds, ball speed 96.7, back spin 5154 with a Pro V1x ball, with one max of 140 yds, ball speed 99.8. With a Bridgestone BXS ball I recorded an average carry of 137.8, ball speed 98.6, back spin 4559, with one max shot of 146.2 yards, ball speed 103.2. I don't doubt I could get longer carry with a 29 degree 7 iron, a loft halfway between my 6 and 5 iron. It is tempting, but I can't afford new clubs. And I still love the look of those blades and the feel. Now if I can just find a 60 mm mortar to launch my drives, I can get close enough to use that 7 iron for approaches! LOL.
@@johnk.atchley5079 It's great you hit your irons really well. But I can see one way you could get better while not adding too much loft for cheap. I see you have a 35 degree 7 iron. I play a 34 degree 8 iron and hit maybe about 10 yards shorter than you. So I can see potential of you hitting 150 with your 7 iron really easily. And that's by just getting some Wilson Launchpads. I know, if you've seen them, they may not fit your eye but trust me, for an 81/82 year old like yourself, I think they might add even more help for you to get the ball in the air. And the 7 iron it holds is a 30 degree loft so if you hit it like you do with your 7 iron now, which I'm sure you could hit it maybe better than you do now, I'm sure you'll get to the 150 range. Hell, when I changed my clubs to these Launchpads, I gained about 11 yards. And they are cheap too. Depending on where you live, they would be in the $100-150 mark. I got mine for $135 in Australia and I gotta say, probably the best $400 I've spent on clubs so far. Gapping is a bit of a problem right now since I got a 28 degree 6 hybrid after the 30 degree 7 and I go all the way down to my 46 degree PW after my 39 degree 9 iron. So that's really the only problem I have with these clubs. But other than that, maybe take a look and try them out. Maybe you'll get the distance you want and not have to get the driver.
I've had these irons for about 4 weeks now and have played 7 rounds with them. The dispersion and distance control is not nearly as severe as the guys in this video. Probably has a lot to do with the fact i'm not swinging my 7-iron 120mph. Long story is i've played more than a handful and my scores have been better than they typically are, with what was a 9 handicap that is down to an 8. And as far a spin goes, i generally get lots of spin, but i have not yet had an issue where i've hit the green and rolled off. Mine all have been really well at holding. And i'm not some Callaway fan boy. I had never heard of these irons prior to my fitting and would absolutely move on from them if they weren't performing on the course, but they seem to be.
Yeah same here. I tested the X's because simply, I wanted a longer distance iron that would increase my forgiveness. First few shots were not my best, probably 6/10 for me personally (40 hcp with 80mph driver head speed) and I was totaling 130m on a few (about 5m farther than my best 7I). But then after those few shots, I started to get into a flow and was hitting some fantastic ones. But I never hit a shot farther than 138m, even on my best strikes. Not to mention, the average ball roll out for me was 7m. That's holding a green. And I was getting upwards of 5800-5900 spin on average but a few got up to around the 6400-6500 mark which is really good to see from a 27.5 loft 7 iron. These irons will go into the bag at some point. Just depends on when. I love the distance, the accuracy, the spin and the height.
By the way, at my age, I don’t usually game a 5-iron, but the Paradym 5-iron is soooo easy to hit that it’s a no-brainer gaming it. I am even thinking of getting a Paradym X 4-iron to use off the tee as a “driving iron”. I should probably get 225 yards-plus from the Paradym X 4-iron, which is my normal 5-wood distance.
There are a number of comments about distance and why one needs extra distance in a 7 iron. Well, when you get older, you'll know. In my 30's I hit a 9 or 8 iron 150 yards. Now in my 70's I hit a 6 iron that far, maybe. Mentally I still think in terms of a 7 iron should be my 150 club. Club manufacturers need to find viagra for clubs...lol.
Still seems a little chunky and clicky to me but maybe that is just the audio in the clip given what you both said but fascinating -probably worth testing for many of us. Question is whether there is a consistency of distance as opposed to fliers. I recently tested the jpx 923 forged against my club (Pxg gen 5) and decided to stick to my gen5s - odd flier with the jpx and the gen 5 feel was marginally better than the jpx. Key difference was the shafts which I preferred on what I have clubs what was offered with jpx. The trajectory and landing angle on these sounds fascinating and worth checking out perhaps. Especially for those of us in our later years!!
Agree, even that odd flier is not good for any level of golfer I believe. Just a question which gen 5 did you compare the jpx 923 forged to and that also had a flier DNA ?
@@simrandhawan9084 I have the gen 5p which is what I compared the jox923 forged to. The fliers came from the jpx. My gen 5 had a tighter north south and East west dispersion even if 3-4 yds shorter than the jpx. But precision, accuracy and predictability more important - even though could do with some more distance given my age but not at the cost of the above.
The problem is that distance dispersion. You got an island green at 180 yards, can’t be more than 15yards long or short. Are you going to be confident hitting this?
I play blades, all my friends used to play blades and we had some great matches, now they all changed to game improvement, now I win easily all the time!
Yes. Modern Callaway irons have hot spots. Totally inconsistent distances. Mostly missing the green long. I don’t remember that playing with callaway big Bertha irons from 1994.
I have a serious question. What is the actual benefit of so much distance from a 7 iron? Doesn't it mean buying a whole new set of wedges to maintain appropriate yardages for scoring?
The benefit is for the manufacturer. They sell more clubs. The rule might say "14 clubs", but it's actually "15 penises"-and you measure in length off the tee. This 7-iron has 0.25" added shaft length and 6 degrees(!) of loft on my MP-32. In my set, this is like a 5.5 iron. But I'm not hating on it, even though I agree with your comment. I just don't think players that hit 160+ "normal 7-irons" should be fitted into these clubs. I'd use this tech to potentially get better spacing at the top end. After my 5-iron, going to 4 and then 3, the spacing compresses and I'd take a few more yards per club up there.
@@AndreeMarkefors Don't disagree on the penises (never thought I'd start a statement that way...) but I think the point is (also) that with the clubs being able to achieve a higher launch angle they can lower the loft for more distance with less spin and still have a 7i hold a green like a higher lofted 7i should.
@@BuckMcAntlerson That's fair enough, and at least for arguments's sake I'll straight up "accept that". But even so I'm questioning the benefit of just renumbering "known distances". Because if all clubs are straight up 'one club longer' you'll just cut one at the top end and add another wedge. I don't see the benefit of hitting a 155 yds wedge at some point. I somehow doubt 175 yds will suddenly become "scoring distance" just because you have an 8-iron in your hand. Once again: not hating the new tech, more head scratching. And I'm guessing they are great if one's 7-iron goes 120 yds with old tech?
For the averages 120 mph ball speed you mention on 7 irons is that at an equivalent degree angle of the Paradym? I’m not complaining about different degrees for a 7 iron I just want to understand if you’re saying you hit this ball 6 mph faster at equal lofts? That would be massively impressive.
That dispersion difference is a little concerning though. I like my misses to go left and right not short and long. It seems the whole Paradym line flies far but lacks consistency
The swing speeds are all within 1 MPH and ball speeds from high to low are 5 MPH different. The carry has an 18 yard difference from shortest to longest. That seems to me like the heads may have hot spots.
Looks like if you over draw the ball its going a long way but I bet a player with a slight fade would have a pretty tight dispersion pattern front to back with the slight increase in spin rate.
I hit an older Srixon loft jacked 7 iron a while back and was cracking up. 205 carry. You're not really playing golf at this point. I guess there is a market for this stuff though. Have fun people!
I’d add the Wilson D9 Forged along side the Cobras. At 31 degrees for 7i they aren’t stupidly jacked lofts, and still have slim-ish top line, great feel and forgiveness. The Mizuno JPX hot metals are also pretty good
Why would you get all this excited about distance with irons? 20 yards front to back with a 7-iron. Spin at 4000. Imagine controlling the ball flight going up the chain into 4,5 iron. Thomas has eluded to this multiple times. "Spin Drops balls goes long left and its trouble". Curious why would you fit anyone into these?
Callaway blew it in the looks department. Look what Taylormade did with their P series irons and even Stealth and Mizuno with their 221 223 and 225 irons. All beautiful blade type looking. The Paradyme irons look cheap and gimmicky. Like a beginner bag set. Expected more from Callaway
Have you seen in person yet? I have never liked irons that share names with drivers. I have hit this club they felt fantastic, but I don't know. Could I play a driver named iron leaning towards no. I know it sounds super egotistical, but it's what goes on in my thoughts.
those 2 jumpers would be killers to me here in AZ, Id be in the cacti! darn , had such promise until those jumpers...scoring comes from short N/S dispersion
This trend of 7 irons being 28 or 29 degrees is silly. 7 irons should be 34 or 35 degrees. If a player struggles with distance then they either need to use senior flex, club up, or use hybrids.
Thanks for watching and the comment! They are very similar. The main difference is the new clubface architecture on the Ai Smoke model called Ai Smart Face. It helps with better performance on mis-hits compared to the Paradym irons.
@@2ndswingI watched your original paradym video as well, it mentioned they also used AI technology in the face design. Just better technology in the AI smoke faces?
I don’t like the aesthetic at all. That’s clearly just an opinion, but aside from hitting my irons well I want them to look nice in the bag. It’s a stupid thing but it makes me more confident for some reason.
Does it sounds like a topping hit on impact (eventhough it is not), or is it just me? What I mean is: it does not give a solid impact sound....more like a dead sound....
You said slightly stronger. It’s a 42 degree PW. That’s not slightly stronger, it’s a full club. And you hit multiple shots with no consistency in distance.
Doesn’t look like it performs as well as mizuno 923 hot metals. They are more consistent and carry way further. I carry 200 with the 7 in my hot metals if I put the screws to it.
What’s a “player distance” iron vs a “game improvement” iron? Why do pros go on and on about a club’s esthetics. I’d understand a comment or two, but going on and on I don’t understand.
This is exactly why good players should not want clubs like these if you know it or not , you need consistent distance not a 10 yard jump just because right when you don't need it , callaway has been the worst at this dating back to the original apex line and certainly the Rogue irons . So yea this is SHOCKING THE AMOUNT OF A FLYER JUMP YOU GET FROM THE SAME IRON .no thanks ....
Don’t be seduced by the distance. Instead be disturbed by the distance dispersion. 20 yards difference in carry from front to back is not what you want in your irons. Irons are about precision and consistency. 2 jumpers out of 8… that’s 25%! Anything but precise and consistent.
I totally agree, if he goes left of center at all he flies the green and around where I play thats bush. Definitely has hot spots! That’s why spin retention is so important with irons because he’s only losing 600 or so rpm and flies it 15 yards further. That’s scary and a ticking time bomb on the course.
I don't think any hollow body "players distance" irons give that level of control.
I totally agree! My buddy has the Callaway Rogue X iron’s and flies the green by 10-20 yard’s quite often. That usually ends in a lost ball. Nobody should want a club that goes 160 on average, but flies 180 on a miss hit. Let’s not even get into hitting out of the rough.
They’ve made a 2017 P790.
And it’s a 29 degree lofted “7” iron…
You guys have discovered what I discovered over the last 7-1/2 weeks as an official Callaway / MyGolfSpy tester of the Callaway Paradym irons! I’m 74 years old and have a 7- iron clubhead speed about 3-4 MPH slower than Kevin, and I have consistently gotten 160-170 yards of carry wither Paradym 7-iron. Yes, there are absolutely some “jumpers” with the Paradyms, where I have gotten more than 175-177 yards of carry with that 7-iron (and as much as 215 yards with the Paradym 5-iron!). I even played 9 holes of all-irons golf with those Paradym irons and it helped my score tremendously, plus I still reached both par-5 holes on that nine with lofted wedges (AW, SW or LW) for my third shots.
That jump in distance is terrifying from one shot to another.
I play to a plus with P790s. I picked up Paradyme X because at 64 and battling military disabilities wanted to see distance gains. I play from blues or tips. No hot iron shots so far. I use the same tempo with these clubs. These clubs are crazy long yet land and stop like a rock on the green for me.
@@hiltd0860 Tried them at my local range, getting fitted Thursday... they FEEL incredible, send the ball absolutely flying, seemed for me to have MUCH better dispersion than my Lynx Predators... I didn't get any sudden flyers either as long as I kept my swing consistent. Really pretty and effective clubs that feel great to use, I can't wait!
Absolutely love to see Kevin's enthusiasm and excitement with this review. Not a lot of filler words. Great content!
Tried player distance irons for a few rounds...distances were all over the place. Back to my old blades with a 35 degree 7 iron lol
Got fitted by Kevin in Columbia. He put me in 2 Ping hybrids that changed my game (probably still need a lesson for my driver :) Great to see his content!
Columbia, SC?
Maryland
21 yards difference between shots with 10 balls hit seems very inconsistent! I'll continue using my 2004 model Bridgestone J36 irons. They may not go as far but the distance I can trust every time!
I game tourstage z101s about the same age ild say
Cool story bro
I like the look and given the loft of 29 degrees (my 6i) the spin is very reasonable... but there is a problem with consistency with this iron, 2 jumpers in 10 shots is not something I could trust
If you bend/order those 2-degrees weak for a 31-degree 7-iron, off the grass it will be spinning basically 6000rpms and you will have a club with even less offset that even low handicappers will like. It's like an older Apex CF-16/19 shape that isn't clicky - and that is a club that most golfers can play - from 3 handicap to 25.
I just got fitted for the Paradym X and stupid easy to hit as an 8 handicap and dispersion was solid. Easily 10-15 yard longer than my callaway epics and very happy with that. Even misfits straight and still long. Plan to also do a fitting for the new Pings and decide after that
I'm a 40+ handicapper. I would like to ask if you think this club might fit me. Cause right now, I got gapping issues with my 6 hybrid to 7 iron (Stealth 6 hybrid at 28 to Launchpad 7 at 30.) I looked at the specs and the perfect way I would be able to gap would be to play the X at 8 iron at 31.5 and my Launchpad 8 at 34 with my Launchpad 9 next at 39 and the X at PW at 41 and AW at 46. I know that's a little gapping issue at the bottom end but I'd much rather hit a full 9 and make sure it goes high as than a full PW and possibly thin the hell out of it by trying to hit it too hard. You think that might be a good strategy or try something else?
How did the ping fitting go? I’m debating between paradym and the ping i525’s
It would really help us avg golfers if you could do reviews with slower swing speeds that these clubs are designed for. Please consider. Thanks, Ric
His speed didn’t change but there is a 15+ yard’s difference. I wouldn’t want that in a club
Krafty absolutely crushing the new Paradym irons!! Well done sir.
It would be very useful to see the results for someone with a 7 iron swing speed of 75 mph. The kind of player who gets 130 to 160 yards with a 7 iron and has a 10 to 18 handicap. Kraft has a swing speed more typical for a scratch to 5 handicapper.
Well, I personally can give you something close. I have a 28 degree 6 hybrid and I swing around that 75mph swing speed you're looking at and I'm a pretty consistent 145 to 150. So with a 29 degree iron, I'd expect maybe 135-140 numbers.
@@jacobwilkie241 Thanks, much appreciated. I am 81, will be 82 in June, and am still playing forged blades with weak lofts. With my 35 degree 7 iron with a 77 gram Nippon Zelos 7 stiff shaft that I just changed to instead of my 120 gram Rifle Lite stiff shafts I have been getting an average carry of 134 yds, ball speed 96.7, back spin 5154 with a Pro V1x ball, with one max of 140 yds, ball speed 99.8. With a Bridgestone BXS ball I recorded an average carry of 137.8, ball speed 98.6, back spin 4559, with one max shot of 146.2 yards, ball speed 103.2. I don't doubt I could get longer carry with a 29 degree 7 iron, a loft halfway between my 6 and 5 iron. It is tempting, but I can't afford new clubs. And I still love the look of those blades and the feel. Now if I can just find a 60 mm mortar to launch my drives, I can get close enough to use that 7 iron for approaches! LOL.
@@johnk.atchley5079 It's great you hit your irons really well. But I can see one way you could get better while not adding too much loft for cheap. I see you have a 35 degree 7 iron. I play a 34 degree 8 iron and hit maybe about 10 yards shorter than you. So I can see potential of you hitting 150 with your 7 iron really easily. And that's by just getting some Wilson Launchpads. I know, if you've seen them, they may not fit your eye but trust me, for an 81/82 year old like yourself, I think they might add even more help for you to get the ball in the air. And the 7 iron it holds is a 30 degree loft so if you hit it like you do with your 7 iron now, which I'm sure you could hit it maybe better than you do now, I'm sure you'll get to the 150 range. Hell, when I changed my clubs to these Launchpads, I gained about 11 yards. And they are cheap too. Depending on where you live, they would be in the $100-150 mark. I got mine for $135 in Australia and I gotta say, probably the best $400 I've spent on clubs so far. Gapping is a bit of a problem right now since I got a 28 degree 6 hybrid after the 30 degree 7 and I go all the way down to my 46 degree PW after my 39 degree 9 iron. So that's really the only problem I have with these clubs. But other than that, maybe take a look and try them out. Maybe you'll get the distance you want and not have to get the driver.
I've had these irons for about 4 weeks now and have played 7 rounds with them. The dispersion and distance control is not nearly as severe as the guys in this video. Probably has a lot to do with the fact i'm not swinging my 7-iron 120mph. Long story is i've played more than a handful and my scores have been better than they typically are, with what was a 9 handicap that is down to an 8.
And as far a spin goes, i generally get lots of spin, but i have not yet had an issue where i've hit the green and rolled off. Mine all have been really well at holding. And i'm not some Callaway fan boy. I had never heard of these irons prior to my fitting and would absolutely move on from them if they weren't performing on the course, but they seem to be.
Yeah same here. I tested the X's because simply, I wanted a longer distance iron that would increase my forgiveness. First few shots were not my best, probably 6/10 for me personally (40 hcp with 80mph driver head speed) and I was totaling 130m on a few (about 5m farther than my best 7I). But then after those few shots, I started to get into a flow and was hitting some fantastic ones. But I never hit a shot farther than 138m, even on my best strikes. Not to mention, the average ball roll out for me was 7m. That's holding a green. And I was getting upwards of 5800-5900 spin on average but a few got up to around the 6400-6500 mark which is really good to see from a 27.5 loft 7 iron. These irons will go into the bag at some point. Just depends on when. I love the distance, the accuracy, the spin and the height.
By the way, at my age, I don’t usually game a 5-iron, but the Paradym 5-iron is soooo easy to hit that it’s a no-brainer gaming it. I am even thinking of getting a Paradym X 4-iron to use off the tee as a “driving iron”. I should probably get 225 yards-plus from the Paradym X 4-iron, which is my normal 5-wood distance.
There are a number of comments about distance and why one needs extra distance in a 7 iron. Well, when you get older, you'll know. In my 30's I hit a 9 or 8 iron 150 yards. Now in my 70's I hit a 6 iron that far, maybe. Mentally I still think in terms of a 7 iron should be my 150 club. Club manufacturers need to find viagra for clubs...lol.
Still seems a little chunky and clicky to me but maybe that is just the audio in the clip given what you both said but fascinating -probably worth testing for many of us. Question is whether there is a consistency of distance as opposed to fliers. I recently tested the jpx 923 forged against my club (Pxg gen 5) and decided to stick to my gen5s - odd flier with the jpx and the gen 5 feel was marginally better than the jpx. Key difference was the shafts which I preferred on what I have clubs what was offered with jpx. The trajectory and landing angle on these sounds fascinating and worth checking out perhaps. Especially for those of us in our later years!!
Agree, even that odd flier is not good for any level of golfer I believe. Just a question which gen 5 did you compare the jpx 923 forged to and that also had a flier DNA ?
@@simrandhawan9084 I have the gen 5p which is what I compared the jox923 forged to. The fliers came from the jpx. My gen 5 had a tighter north south and East west dispersion even if 3-4 yds shorter than the jpx. But precision, accuracy and predictability more important - even though could do with some more distance given my age but not at the cost of the above.
@@alysgolfstudio567 Couldn't agree more, these irons are recipe for disaster.
What ball did you use in this testing?
The problem is that distance dispersion. You got an island green at 180 yards, can’t be more than 15yards long or short. Are you going to be confident hitting this?
I play blades, all my friends used to play blades and we had some great matches, now they all changed to game improvement, now I win easily all the time!
He’d make a great Santa at Christmas time with that laugh 😂
This is exactly why I never game callaway irons. Hot spots make distance control impossible. See similar results w apex in the past.
Yes. Modern Callaway irons have hot spots. Totally inconsistent distances. Mostly missing the green long. I don’t remember that playing with callaway big Bertha irons from 1994.
Like the Colors used with this Iron. Will they be doing a Non Pro Version of Irons like ST MAX Pro OS? or will this be only Rogue ST Pro replacement.
Standard loft for a 7 iron: 80's 40deg, 90's 38deg, 2000's 34 deg, 2010's 32 deg. No surprise here with a 29 deg 7 iron! Basically a 6 iron loft.
With a 7i that strong lofted can you still get decent numbers out of the 6i and 5i?
Oh it’s a joke
Might get a 4 iron and turn it down to use as a driving iron
So you are hitting between a 6 iron and a 5 iron loft and surprised by the extra length?
I have a serious question. What is the actual benefit of so much distance from a 7 iron? Doesn't it mean buying a whole new set of wedges to maintain appropriate yardages for scoring?
The benefit is for the manufacturer. They sell more clubs. The rule might say "14 clubs", but it's actually "15 penises"-and you measure in length off the tee.
This 7-iron has 0.25" added shaft length and 6 degrees(!) of loft on my MP-32. In my set, this is like a 5.5 iron.
But I'm not hating on it, even though I agree with your comment. I just don't think players that hit 160+ "normal 7-irons" should be fitted into these clubs.
I'd use this tech to potentially get better spacing at the top end. After my 5-iron, going to 4 and then 3, the spacing compresses and I'd take a few more yards per club up there.
@@AndreeMarkefors Don't disagree on the penises (never thought I'd start a statement that way...) but I think the point is (also) that with the clubs being able to achieve a higher launch angle they can lower the loft for more distance with less spin and still have a 7i hold a green like a higher lofted 7i should.
@@BuckMcAntlerson That's fair enough, and at least for arguments's sake I'll straight up "accept that". But even so I'm questioning the benefit of just renumbering "known distances". Because if all clubs are straight up 'one club longer' you'll just cut one at the top end and add another wedge.
I don't see the benefit of hitting a 155 yds wedge at some point.
I somehow doubt 175 yds will suddenly become "scoring distance" just because you have an 8-iron in your hand.
Once again: not hating the new tech, more head scratching.
And I'm guessing they are great if one's 7-iron goes 120 yds with old tech?
I'll take my 160 yard 7i all day. Bad shot go 155 so I'm okay with that.
For the averages 120 mph ball speed you mention on 7 irons is that at an equivalent degree angle of the Paradym? I’m not complaining about different degrees for a 7 iron I just want to understand if you’re saying you hit this ball 6 mph faster at equal lofts? That would be massively impressive.
That dispersion difference is a little concerning though. I like my misses to go left and right not short and long. It seems the whole Paradym line flies far but lacks consistency
The swing speeds are all within 1 MPH and ball speeds from high to low are 5 MPH different. The carry has an 18 yard difference from shortest to longest. That seems to me like the heads may have hot spots.
Kevin Kraft is the man!
Kevin's a natural on camera
Can't deny the numbers. Also these $1,400.00 without custom options.
Any word on new apex
What golf ball were you using? It makes a difference.
Looks like if you over draw the ball its going a long way but I bet a player with a slight fade would have a pretty tight dispersion pattern front to back with the slight increase in spin rate.
I hit an older Srixon loft jacked 7 iron a while back and was cracking up. 205 carry. You're not really playing golf at this point. I guess there is a market for this stuff though. Have fun people!
OK, now we need to get Danny and Kevin on camera together. Can anyone else see this?
Cobra Forged Tech are still King of PD irons.
I’d add the Wilson D9 Forged along side the Cobras. At 31 degrees for 7i they aren’t stupidly jacked lofts, and still have slim-ish top line, great feel and forgiveness. The Mizuno JPX hot metals are also pretty good
Is this iron hollow or elastomer filled?
Maybe next year they launch Paradox 😂
Why would you get all this excited about distance with irons? 20 yards front to back with a 7-iron. Spin at 4000. Imagine controlling the ball flight going up the chain into 4,5 iron. Thomas has eluded to this multiple times. "Spin Drops balls goes long left and its trouble". Curious why would you fit anyone into these?
42 degree pw!. And they offer a gw and aw. This is getting ridiculous
What are the lofts
Will Callaway launch a new Apex generation this year?
Yes they will be released in June or July I believe.
Callaway blew it in the looks department. Look what Taylormade did with their P series irons and even Stealth and Mizuno with their 221 223 and 225 irons. All beautiful blade type looking. The Paradyme irons look cheap and gimmicky. Like a beginner bag set. Expected more from Callaway
Have you seen in person yet? I have never liked irons that share names with drivers. I have hit this club they felt fantastic, but I don't know. Could I play a driver named iron leaning towards no. I know it sounds super egotistical, but it's what goes on in my thoughts.
This is the exact reason i play tour irons. no stupid fliers that go 20 yards too far. i can hit my 7 iron 185, i dont need to hit it 200.
How do these compare to the mavriks
those 2 jumpers would be killers to me here in AZ, Id be in the cacti! darn , had such promise until those jumpers...scoring comes from short N/S dispersion
This trend of 7 irons being 28 or 29 degrees is silly. 7 irons should be 34 or 35 degrees. If a player struggles with distance then they either need to use senior flex, club up, or use hybrids.
how do these compare to AI Smoke?
Thanks for watching and the comment! They are very similar. The main difference is the new clubface architecture on the Ai Smoke model called Ai Smart Face. It helps with better performance on mis-hits compared to the Paradym irons.
@@2ndswingI watched your original paradym video as well, it mentioned they also used AI technology in the face design. Just better technology in the AI smoke faces?
Those are PGA Golfer Numbers on Distant.. Almost 190 yards Carry Distant with a 7 Iron. Was is the Loft? 28 Degrees?
29
I’m guessing the pros would hit this particular 7 iron around 210 carry
29 degree 7 iron. They should just stop putting iron numbers and just start putting degrees on the clubs
Jesus, how long is that shaft?
15 yards in between shots is no go. You're missing greens at that point.
I don’t like the aesthetic at all. That’s clearly just an opinion, but aside from hitting my irons well I want them to look nice in the bag. It’s a stupid thing but it makes me more confident for some reason.
I can see shaft being even more important now. The shaft will have to gain all the spin back.
Also the attack on most of these is on the shallow end, which is helping reduce spin. But, some great swing coming out of this tester.
7 iron is 27.5 degrees. PW is 41 degrees. Of course they're long, as they should be. What are they comparing them to?
Does it sounds like a topping hit on impact (eventhough it is not), or is it just me? What I mean is: it does not give a solid impact sound....more like a dead sound....
These players irons are all over the place…can only imagine the game improvement ones..I’ll stick to my mizunos lol, not even an contest
29° it's a 5 iron
Just pick up a pair of D9s for a 1/3 of the price
How bout length? Cause the loft is lower.. 7 playn like a 5
Have to be honest that I'm not keen on the looks of this Iron and those jumpers are potential Card wreckers
You said slightly stronger. It’s a 42 degree PW. That’s not slightly stronger, it’s a full club. And you hit multiple shots with no consistency in distance.
I'm looking for a new set, but I just can't w the way these look.
Roughly 10 yards of roll-out for a 7-iron is quite a lot to my understanding.
Doesn’t look like it performs as well as mizuno 923 hot metals. They are more consistent and carry way further. I carry 200 with the 7 in my hot metals if I put the screws to it.
What’s a “player distance” iron vs a “game improvement” iron? Why do pros go on and on about a club’s esthetics. I’d understand a comment or two, but going on and on I don’t understand.
This is exactly why good players should not want clubs like these if you know it or not , you need consistent distance not a 10 yard jump just because right when you don't need it , callaway has been the worst at this dating back to the original apex line and certainly the Rogue irons .
So yea this is SHOCKING THE AMOUNT OF A FLYER JUMP YOU GET FROM THE SAME IRON .no thanks ....
Cool iron but I'll keep my pin seeking t100's.
Guys, change your thumbnails back to the way they were. This clikbaity thumbnail that other TH-cam golfers use is cringey.
Agree, I expect better from 2nd swing.
Unfortunately, the Paradym irons do not ear well. The blue surface scrapes and chips away easily.
1.44 smash with a 7 iron 😅
kevin kind of looks like a triple track golf ball
smash factor looks amazing...too much sometimes.
Now do x or vs ai smoke
Those things would hold greens like Susan Bullock driving a bus with a bomb on it. No thanks.
To far, to hot. If wedge is going 140 then you need 5 more clubs after that to fill the gaps. Unless your over 80mph you simply won't hold greens.
I'm a Callaway fanboy but this is just plain old marketing BS. Let's do some comparative analysis...say against the Rogue ST Max.
It's not a 7iron
2nd swing golf is part of the loft jacking parties…this needs to stop
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29* 7 Iron -- No thanks.
This Iron is not for a good and hard hitting golfer. So dont think it is. The weaker golfer Will have less front and back dispersion anyway.
distance = outstanding. dispersion = dog 💩
Not as good as x16s
Sorry, but those clubs are pretty ug…they are not attractive…don’t want to worsen my game with those in my bag 😂
The cap on the back is very ugly.