About time, someone finally shows how to launch the car I’ve been telling people that for years. I don’t have a TH-cam platform like you do I would’ve did this video a long time ago watching a journalist mess up launches over and over and over again it’s crazy.
I’m a Mustang guy and I’ve beaten a couple of hellcats and higher horsepower cars because of them using the stock tires. My car is n/a. Trust me this guy is speaking the truth
Great information video for people not used to high HP cars. Having the right tire setup for your car is critical. Just having gobs of HP does not win races, and even AWD cars have trouble with traction when you get in the 600hp range. Spend the money on the tires!
It's about freaking time someone talks about this issue. I've been saying that for years. The stock tires are complete garbage. And I had the summer tires that cost extra they are garbage. I have a 19 red eye wide body Challenger . I put the Toyo r888r 325 30 20 no issues with rubbing. I ran the Mickey Thompson Street SS they are garbage they do not last. The Toyo hook much better. And you don't get that high speed wobble. The car feels planted at high speeds. And you don't need to do a big burnout to warm them up just a couple seconds of burning out. literally that's it. Then you're good to go. Night and day difference with good tires I tell everybody who I see with a hellcat change your tires.
I wrote a book about this above you, but I also have a '19 REWBHC Challenger. Before this one I had an '18 HC Challenger I bought new as well. I learned real quick just how bad those pirellis were on that '18, and they were the AS version. I swapped them out for a set of Conti Extreme Contact DWS 06's and I was absolutely stunned at just how much better they were. When I finally found a new REWBHC with the colors and options I wanted, it just happened to have the Pirelli Summer Tire option. I thought I would see if they were better, but I didn't have high hopes. Well, as you know, they are total SH*T too! They were marginally better than the AS version at BEST. I already had some custom 3-piece 20x11 forged wheels ordered from Velgen before I even took possession of it, but I still had to wait a couple months for them. Once those showed up, I mounted a set of 315/35ZR20 Michelin Pilot Sport 4 Summer tires on them and it was like a revelation once I put them on. It really became a totally different car! You still had to roll into the throttle, but could do it so much faster. It became a LOT safer to drive it hard. Like you, I tell all the people I talk to on HC forums, etc. that own a HC/HCRE/Demon that there are 3 mods you should ABSOLUTELY do to these cars ASAP: 1. Get a set of Michelin PS 4s or Continental Extreme Contact tires (preferably the summer tire version of them depending on where you live). The factory WB size is 305/35ZR20 square, but I tell everyone to go up to a set of 315/35ZR20's, as they fit with ZERO issues and give you a larger contact patch. *They also fill the wheel wells much better, and if you have a 3.09 rear end these will make your effective gear ratio taller which should help reduce wheelspin.* 2. Swap out ALL of the Brembo pads, which are THE dustiest f-ing pads I have EVER seen, for a set of Powerstop Z26 pads (or Z23 if you don't race the car). 3. Add the Per4mance Development Billet or DIRS differential brace. I have yet to meet a single Hellcat owner that was sorry that they did any of these 3 things.
Unless you're making a dramatic size change or going with a race compound, a tire was never considered a mod. But people gotta move that goal post so it makes getting beat by a boat 🚢 more palatable.
Yes sir tires are number 1 or get used to rolling clouds spinning and losing or being taken for a ride across 3 lanes when frankly it’s unsafe. You should be smoking these cars with less power with ease but you’re not with stock tires even from a roll. I’ve had my car since 16 and also watched many people start out with this platform to include steph from day 1. The man knows what he’s talking about. Good video brother 👍🏻
So funny you made this video. 3 Years ago when i got my hellcat, i knew the all seasons 275s were a joke. Ive drag raced cars for years and I tried to race on the stock tires for about 2 months or so and when i was losing to bolt on GTs on the street I knew Mickey Thompsons were in my future. I grabbed a drag pack andd left it stock. I wrecked so many people who claimed they were hellcat killers. They swore I was pullied or had nitrous. All I did was get some good tires and wheels. So many butthurt people when they found out they raced a Hellcat in it's true form and the power it can put down. I made a video on my channel that was most of the races I could film and put together. I ran a 10.6 @ 129 on a stock hellcat with a drag pack 1.56 60' with a 2.62 gear. Stock down to the air filter.
I hate seeing all the car programs putting the hellcat and HC red-eye up against cars that wouldn't stand a chance if the Mopar had traction, I'm getting upset thinking about them damn shows, especially throttle house they bash the hell out of HCs and HC red-eye's
Definitely some great info yo Stephen when it gets nice again do you think we can line up at the track I would love to see that turbo hellcat in person
I agree but disagree. We have to be understanding that all Hellcat owners are new to Hellcat at some point. (Including you years ago doing 0-60 pulls in your Hellcat before the mods) If a person just got their car, we have to expect them to do runs immediately before buying tires. But great content my friend. Love the channel.
@@IncredibleHemi1111Its not the size is the material of the tire that makes the car grip better. Plus some of these performance tires say smaller numbers than their actual size
Would you be I the position to test a couple of Drag Radials/Performance Tires? I have a 2021 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Widebody and I'm currently running 325/35/20 Toyo Proxes R888R ($450 each). I had the Nitto NT555R, and liked those...but that was on my 392. I've seen other TH-cam pages test the major (3) that you mentioned at the 6:26 mark (throw the Atturo AZ850's in the mix)...but never a person with a Driver Mod such as yourself. It'll be great content!
I watched that video in the first clip you put in the video too and hated it, I like the two guys but those guys don't know how to fucking drive man, I was like wtf none of this is right, im glad you made a video on their ass
I've been trying to tell people this for years. Your tires are the ONLY thing that touches the ground on your car. They are literally EVERYTHING when it comes to how your car performs. You could have the most powerful HC out there with the beefiest drivetrain and a trick suspension, but it means nothing if your tires are garbage. The Pirellis that come stock on the Redeye or Hellcat Challenger and Charger are 100% complete trash, summer or all-season version makes no difference. *To illustrate just how bad they are, I can tell you from actual experience that the ALL SEASON versions of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 or Continental Extreme Contact launch TWICE AS GOOD AS THE SUMMER PERFORMANCE PIRELLI ZERO factory tires!* Not only do you get 2X more traction in a launch, but these two tires are better in every other way too. They turn better, ride quieter, ride smoother, they don't track lines and differences in texture/height in the pavement as much, they stop much faster, and they perform in the rain so much better. There is not one area that the Pirelli does better in, not a single one. Then once you have a set of great all-season tires, it's time to buy the summer performance version of the same tire. Mount them on some nice custom forged wheels or even the factory wheels and you will be amazed at how much better they do than even the top all-seasons! All of a sudden, you can actually use the last 1/3 of the gas pedal's travel! LOL
Then, when you are ready to get real serious and go to the drag strip, that's when you need to pony up for a drag pack set of wheels and tires. For a widebody HC like mine you should get a pair of front wheels that are either skinnies or half-skinnies in a 20" diameter to clear the massive brakes, and a matching set of rears in a 17x11 or 18x11 size. In my case, because my car makes right at 1000 wheel horsepower and the entire drivetrain and suspension has been upgraded, I went with a 17x11 single beadlock in the rear. This was necessary because the tires were getting spun on the wheel when launched hard at the track. Mount up a pair of 245/45ZR20 MT Street Comp tires on the new 20x8 front wheels, and a pair of 315/50R17 MT ET Street R's on the rears and be ready to be amazed. It will feel like a totally new car with near double the power because you can finally use all that HP.
Don't know why Dodge decided to go to the worst high performance tire company known to man and use them for the Hellcat. All they're good for are burnouts
You don’t mention what size’s are best to use either 305/35/20 in all fours or 315/35/20 in all fours. You just mention the tire brands. Also there’s always a reason why Dodge decided to put those trash pirelli tires instead of high performance tires for liability reasons.
Spinning ain't winning, and it will also get an engine. The Rs are coming g so fast unless the Rev limiter take over. I've seen it valve float take out pistons.
Any real car guy knows that tires is one of the most important things to make your car perform it just goes to show you a lot of people out here are just buying cars they're not really car people
Shameless plug here I've been telling people this forever and I've tried every radial except the street ss and here is my video review of the Atturo AZ850 DR that you're referring too. *spoiler* they're also better than the stock tires th-cam.com/video/7zoOj2yK_no/w-d-xo.htmlsi=eMCNhiPNj6LKWxYQ
Yow sia mi see di young bowy try sneak diss yuh Boss. An ah yuh mek ppl know him. When yuh 1st interview him di bowy look timid and nervous Pon camera. Now high want fi come try diss yuh (no sir) like Cam’ron say when it’s cool for Daniel son to dis Mr. Miyagi? Ad dat mi waan know Stephen
Do you have a daily driver or more than just weekends kind of Hellcat??? You should have AT LEAST TWO SETS OF WHEELS AND TIRES. One set should be Michelin or Continental All Seasons (Pilot Sport 4S / Extreme Contact DWS 06), the other set should be the extreme summer performance version of the same tire. That will suffice for 90% of owners. Saying how much better they are or how different your car will feel with these new tires is not sufficient. You just have to experience it to understand just how AMAZINGLY BAD the factory tires are. The remaining 10% or so of owners will have 3 sets, the two listed above and then a 3rd set that is race specific. This set will have a narrower front tire down to a racing skinny, and the rears will be drag radials ( Mickey Thompson ET Street Rs are the best I have found) on an 18 or 17 inch wheel (single beadlock wheel if your car makes 900 wheel HP or more). I went with custom Weld 3-piece alloy 20x8 front wheels shod in a mt Street Comp 245/45R20 tires, and the MT ET Street Rs mentioned above in a 315/50R17 size in the rear, mounted on custom Weld RTS 3-piece 17x11 single beadlocks. The custom 17x11 Weld wheels fit with no mods at all on my car (REWB), but might require shorter end links for the rear sway bar depending on how the wheels are made and/or backspacing. Ill finish with this, if you own a Hellcat of any kind and are still running the factory Pirellis (AS or Summer version), you have "shook hands" with your car but you haven't REALLY even met it yet. Don't be cheap, buy good tires and wheels (if needed) and really experience your car for what it ACTUALLY IS and not just using a little of it's ability
About time, someone finally shows how to launch the car I’ve been telling people that for years. I don’t have a TH-cam platform like you do I would’ve did this video a long time ago watching a journalist mess up launches over and over and over again it’s crazy.
Excellent discussion, I put 275 on my RT rear, made a big difference at the light.
This is exactly why I love this channel good job stephan
#1 Diff brace
#2 trailing arms
#3 End links (for radials)
#4 single piece drive shaft
#5 Radials
In this order
I got all those mods, it helps prevent wheel hop as well
Diff brace is waste of $600
@StreetTunedJesse why?
#1 is tires, all the other mods come after
@@Mod2Fame only 20'' radials..However if you dont have end links you can't mount 17" radials because of the rear sway bar.
I’m a Mustang guy and I’ve beaten a couple of hellcats and higher horsepower cars because of them using the stock tires. My car is n/a. Trust me this guy is speaking the truth
Great information video for people not used to high HP cars. Having the right tire setup for your car is critical. Just having gobs of HP does not win races, and even AWD cars have trouble with traction when you get in the 600hp range. Spend the money on the tires!
Truth! I cant launch higher than 1800 rpms in my durango hellcat. Capable of a 3500rpm launch but anything over 1800 ish and all 4 go up in smoke
It's about freaking time someone talks about this issue. I've been saying that for years. The stock tires are complete garbage. And I had the summer tires that cost extra they are garbage. I have a 19 red eye wide body Challenger . I put the Toyo r888r 325 30 20 no issues with rubbing. I ran the Mickey Thompson Street SS they are garbage they do not last. The Toyo hook much better. And you don't get that high speed wobble. The car feels planted at high speeds. And you don't need to do a big burnout to warm them up just a couple seconds of burning out. literally that's it. Then you're good to go. Night and day difference with good tires I tell everybody who I see with a hellcat change your tires.
Nitto nt555r2 seems to be best for me.
I wrote a book about this above you, but I also have a '19 REWBHC Challenger. Before this one I had an '18 HC Challenger I bought new as well. I learned real quick just how bad those pirellis were on that '18, and they were the AS version. I swapped them out for a set of Conti Extreme Contact DWS 06's and I was absolutely stunned at just how much better they were. When I finally found a new REWBHC with the colors and options I wanted, it just happened to have the Pirelli Summer Tire option. I thought I would see if they were better, but I didn't have high hopes. Well, as you know, they are total SH*T too! They were marginally better than the AS version at BEST.
I already had some custom 3-piece 20x11 forged wheels ordered from Velgen before I even took possession of it, but I still had to wait a couple months for them. Once those showed up, I mounted a set of 315/35ZR20 Michelin Pilot Sport 4 Summer tires on them and it was like a revelation once I put them on. It really became a totally different car! You still had to roll into the throttle, but could do it so much faster. It became a LOT safer to drive it hard. Like you, I tell all the people I talk to on HC forums, etc. that own a HC/HCRE/Demon that there are 3 mods you should ABSOLUTELY do to these cars ASAP:
1. Get a set of Michelin PS 4s or Continental Extreme Contact tires (preferably the summer tire version of them depending on where you live). The factory WB size is 305/35ZR20 square, but I tell everyone to go up to a set of 315/35ZR20's, as they fit with ZERO issues and give you a larger contact patch. *They also fill the wheel wells much better, and if you have a 3.09 rear end these will make your effective gear ratio taller which should help reduce wheelspin.*
2. Swap out ALL of the Brembo pads, which are THE dustiest f-ing pads I have EVER seen, for a set of Powerstop Z26 pads (or Z23 if you don't race the car).
3. Add the Per4mance Development Billet or DIRS differential brace.
I have yet to meet a single Hellcat owner that was sorry that they did any of these 3 things.
Did you install Toyo’s R888R 325/30/20 in all four’s and no rubbing issues?
@@SIDVENOM no. 315 30 20 on front wide body only. 325 30 20 on rear. It's amazing how planted the car feels at high speeds with these tires.
@@twisskevin4853 Cool and thanks I need to try this set up with my 2019 Challenger Redeye Wide Body because factory tires suck ass.
Unless you're making a dramatic size change or going with a race compound, a tire was never considered a mod. But people gotta move that goal post so it makes getting beat by a boat 🚢 more palatable.
I'm glad you dropped this video. For the life of me I don't see how people drive these on the stock pirelli
Excellent and very Prudent Advice! Truer words were never spoken.
I hope all the 500hp or better individuals are looking/listening to this video. Knowledge is key.
Yes sir tires are number 1 or get used to rolling clouds spinning and losing or being taken for a ride across 3 lanes when frankly it’s unsafe. You should be smoking these cars with less power with ease but you’re not with stock tires even from a roll. I’ve had my car since 16 and also watched many people start out with this platform to include steph from day 1. The man knows what he’s talking about. Good video brother 👍🏻
So funny you made this video. 3 Years ago when i got my hellcat, i knew the all seasons 275s were a joke. Ive drag raced cars for years and I tried to race on the stock tires for about 2 months or so and when i was losing to bolt on GTs on the street I knew Mickey Thompsons were in my future. I grabbed a drag pack andd left it stock. I wrecked so many people who claimed they were hellcat killers. They swore I was pullied or had nitrous. All I did was get some good tires and wheels. So many butthurt people when they found out they raced a Hellcat in it's true form and the power it can put down. I made a video on my channel that was most of the races I could film and put together. I ran a 10.6 @ 129 on a stock hellcat with a drag pack 1.56 60' with a 2.62 gear. Stock down to the air filter.
I will get drag race tires on my red eye even if I don’t drive it to often. Thank you for the advice
I tell u what the drag radials the 1320 has really stick for the 392. Only stock tires I find suitable. Don't know what it do for a hellcat.
I hate seeing all the car programs putting the hellcat and HC red-eye up against cars that wouldn't stand a chance if the Mopar had traction, I'm getting upset thinking about them damn shows, especially throttle house they bash the hell out of HCs and HC red-eye's
R888r is the best all around tire, they stick like a drag radial but they still handle well.
Definitely some great info yo Stephen when it gets nice again do you think we can line up at the track I would love to see that turbo hellcat in person
Better beef up those axles if it sticks too good either way you run the risk of breaking an axle or driveshaft
Only be an issue at the track....but agree
Diff first but that’s on a prep surface. Diff brace and then driveshaft.
I admire the love my brotha has for these cars that i share as well continue being great my man
I yse general rs max on my 700hp srt there actually pretty good besides from a dig but any roll it's sticky
Great Info Stephen!!
This is very good information. Thank you
I agree but disagree. We have to be understanding that all Hellcat owners are new to Hellcat at some point. (Including you years ago doing 0-60 pulls in your Hellcat before the mods) If a person just got their car, we have to expect them to do runs immediately before buying tires. But great content my friend. Love the channel.
Glad to see you're a day one.... but I've learned from my mistakes and sharing the best practices
@@Mod2Fame I feel you. 💯💯💯
A tire that is the same size as stock is NOT A MOD! The drag radial is gonna be the same weight as the stock tire.
Agreed
It's a mod if it's not stock.
@hcdashadow80 a tire is not a mod unless it makes the car faster so a tire of the exact same size will not fo that
@@IncredibleHemi1111performance enhancing counts as a modification.
@@IncredibleHemi1111Its not the size is the material of the tire that makes the car grip better. Plus some of these performance tires say smaller numbers than their actual size
Would you be I the position to test a couple of Drag Radials/Performance Tires? I have a 2021 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Widebody and I'm currently running 325/35/20 Toyo Proxes R888R ($450 each). I had the Nitto NT555R, and liked those...but that was on my 392. I've seen other TH-cam pages test the major (3) that you mentioned at the 6:26 mark (throw the Atturo AZ850's in the mix)...but never a person with a Driver Mod such as yourself. It'll be great content!
Great info
Great video 💪🏿💪🏿
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Nitto nt555r2s are decent in the rain.
It’s definitely a safety issue!! I can contest to that 🙋🏾♂️
I watched that video in the first clip you put in the video too and hated it, I like the two guys but those guys don't know how to fucking drive man, I was like wtf none of this is right, im glad you made a video on their ass
I've been trying to tell people this for years. Your tires are the ONLY thing that touches the ground on your car. They are literally EVERYTHING when it comes to how your car performs. You could have the most powerful HC out there with the beefiest drivetrain and a trick suspension, but it means nothing if your tires are garbage. The Pirellis that come stock on the Redeye or Hellcat Challenger and Charger are 100% complete trash, summer or all-season version makes no difference. *To illustrate just how bad they are, I can tell you from actual experience that the ALL SEASON versions of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 or Continental Extreme Contact launch TWICE AS GOOD AS THE SUMMER PERFORMANCE PIRELLI ZERO factory tires!* Not only do you get 2X more traction in a launch, but these two tires are better in every other way too. They turn better, ride quieter, ride smoother, they don't track lines and differences in texture/height in the pavement as much, they stop much faster, and they perform in the rain so much better. There is not one area that the Pirelli does better in, not a single one. Then once you have a set of great all-season tires, it's time to buy the summer performance version of the same tire. Mount them on some nice custom forged wheels or even the factory wheels and you will be amazed at how much better they do than even the top all-seasons! All of a sudden, you can actually use the last 1/3 of the gas pedal's travel! LOL
Then, when you are ready to get real serious and go to the drag strip, that's when you need to pony up for a drag pack set of wheels and tires. For a widebody HC like mine you should get a pair of front wheels that are either skinnies or half-skinnies in a 20" diameter to clear the massive brakes, and a matching set of rears in a 17x11 or 18x11 size. In my case, because my car makes right at 1000 wheel horsepower and the entire drivetrain and suspension has been upgraded, I went with a 17x11 single beadlock in the rear. This was necessary because the tires were getting spun on the wheel when launched hard at the track. Mount up a pair of 245/45ZR20 MT Street Comp tires on the new 20x8 front wheels, and a pair of 315/50R17 MT ET Street R's on the rears and be ready to be amazed. It will feel like a totally new car with near double the power because you can finally use all that HP.
Don't know why Dodge decided to go to the worst high performance tire company known to man and use them for the Hellcat. All they're good for are burnouts
Cost
It's dodge, what did you expect?
They make one of the best track tires period the Trefeo R. Not great for drag racing but it's easily with the Cup 2 tire.
"LET START THERE"
Good to know information.
Steph build a midsize dodge race truck lowered on 17 lol ❤ hellcat Dakota
If it ain't MICKEY, it ain't STICKY!
Let’s get it💨
You don’t mention what size’s are best to use either 305/35/20 in all fours or 315/35/20 in all fours. You just mention the tire brands. Also there’s always a reason why Dodge decided to put those trash pirelli tires instead of high performance tires for liability reasons.
Its true tires make the HP stick
Spinning ain't winning, and it will also get an engine. The Rs are coming g so fast unless the Rev limiter take over. I've seen it valve float take out pistons.
Best mod ive done on my hellcat...
Edit: Aka safety precaution 😂
👏👍 Safety
Any real car guy knows that tires is one of the most important things to make your car perform it just goes to show you a lot of people out here are just buying cars they're not really car people
I’ve missed your videos bro
I have been saying this for years! I can get by hellcats only because of tires
Shameless plug here I've been telling people this forever and I've tried every radial except the street ss and here is my video review of the Atturo AZ850 DR that you're referring too. *spoiler* they're also better than the stock tires th-cam.com/video/7zoOj2yK_no/w-d-xo.htmlsi=eMCNhiPNj6LKWxYQ
Thanks for sharing I will check it out
Tire is not a mod
You don’t hear people say “mustang has intake and is on a tire”
Only hear hellcat haters say that.
😂😂😂😂
Why hsnt he raced the M5 CS
Get rid of the 305’s and put 315’s on it
That will do absolutely nothing. You think 10mm will help? That's .39 of an inch 😂
@@Ak47777-lit counts
Yow sia mi see di young bowy try sneak diss yuh Boss. An ah yuh mek ppl know him. When yuh 1st interview him di bowy look timid and nervous Pon camera. Now high want fi come try diss yuh (no sir) like Cam’ron say when it’s cool for Daniel son to dis Mr. Miyagi? Ad dat mi waan know Stephen
👍🏾🤜🏾
Yessir
Bro where’s your car … we need an update
I’m parked
Haha😂 seen most of these
I be seeing these guys racing especially at the track on street tires. They’re just embarrassing the brand honestly.
its still a mod just a reasonable mod that doesnt void the warranty
You scared of them bmws u already took the L
A tire is a mod tho don’t be bias Steph to mod something is to change it no?
Just like when people say they tinted their windows. Nice. 👍🤣
@@Ak47777-l no having a proper tire set up can make a significant difference to how a car performs.. nice try smart one
Do you have a daily driver or more than just weekends kind of Hellcat??? You should have AT LEAST TWO SETS OF WHEELS AND TIRES. One set should be Michelin or Continental All Seasons (Pilot Sport 4S / Extreme Contact DWS 06), the other set should be the extreme summer performance version of the same tire. That will suffice for 90% of owners. Saying how much better they are or how different your car will feel with these new tires is not sufficient. You just have to experience it to understand just how AMAZINGLY BAD the factory tires are. The remaining 10% or so of owners will have 3 sets, the two listed above and then a 3rd set that is race specific. This set will have a narrower front tire down to a racing skinny, and the rears will be drag radials ( Mickey Thompson ET Street Rs are the best I have found) on an 18 or 17 inch wheel (single beadlock wheel if your car makes 900 wheel HP or more). I went with custom Weld 3-piece alloy 20x8 front wheels shod in a mt Street Comp 245/45R20 tires, and the MT ET Street Rs mentioned above in a 315/50R17 size in the rear, mounted on custom Weld RTS 3-piece 17x11 single beadlocks. The custom 17x11 Weld wheels fit with no mods at all on my car (REWB), but might require shorter end links for the rear sway bar depending on how the wheels are made and/or backspacing.
Ill finish with this, if you own a Hellcat of any kind and are still running the factory Pirellis (AS or Summer version), you have "shook hands" with your car but you haven't REALLY even met it yet. Don't be cheap, buy good tires and wheels (if needed) and really experience your car for what it ACTUALLY IS and not just using a little of it's ability