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- Polygamy is largely looked down on in Indonesia, where about 86 percent of Muslims oppose it-but the husbands and wives who practice it believe it’s the ideal form of marriage, and they’re ardent about convincing folks to think the same way. Riski Ramdani has dedicated himself to making the controversial arrangement more mainstream, and he’s gathered a pretty passionate following. But he’s still facing harsh, widespread criticism that polygamy, at its core, is just a form of abuse.
VICE Indonesia met up with Ramdani, his two wives, and their children in West Java for a look inside their unconventional marriage, and to hear why they support the practice, as well as the struggles they face. Then we spoke to a scholar who studies polygamy and a woman who left her polygamist marriage to hear how-for many women-the practice can be traumatizing.
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the words "will be rewarded in heaven" is probably the oldest phrase used to scam people.
Ok !! you will be rewarded in hell... happy now
@@wisdomseeker6804 Yes.
I will also be rewarded hell according to a plethora of other religions, but you know, no biggie.
I wish I could like your comment more than once! One God, two humanities: the save & the damned.
Totoy Bibo Who will go to heaven?
People have different ideas about heaven. Many have no understanding of God at all, but still like to think of heaven as the "better place" where we all go when we die. Ideas about heaven are often no more than vague hopes, on par with "maybe I'll win the lottery some day." Most people don't give heaven much thought until they attend a funeral or a loved one dies. It is popular to refer to heaven as the place where "the good people go." And of course, everyone they know and love is included in the category of "good people."
But the Bible has a lot to say about life after death, and it contradicts popular opinion. John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Then in verse 36, Jesus goes on to say, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them." Hebrews 9:27 says, "It is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment." According to these verses, everyone dies, but not everyone goes to heaven (Matthew 25:46; Romans 6:23; Luke 12:5; Mark 9:43).
God is holy and perfect. Heaven, His dwelling place, is holy and perfect, too (Psalm 68:5; Nehemiah 1:5; Revelation 11:19). According to Romans 3:10, "there is none righteous, no not one." No human being is holy and perfect enough for heaven. The people we call "good" are not good at all compared to the sinless perfection of God. If God allowed sinful humans to enter the perfection of heaven, it would no longer be perfect. What standard should be used to determine who is "good enough?" God's standard is the only one that counts, and He has already ruled. Romans 3:23 says that "all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory." And the payment for that sin is eternal separation from God (Romans 6:23).
Sin has to be punished, or God is not just (2 Thessalonians 1:6). The judgment we face at death is simply God bringing our accounts up to date and passing sentence on our crimes against Him. We have no way to make our wrongs right. Our good does not outweigh our bad. One sin ruins perfection, just as one drop of arsenic in a glass of water poisons the whole glass.
So God became man and took our punishment upon Himself. Jesus was God in the flesh. He lived a sinless life of obedience to His Father (Hebrews 4:15). He had no sin, yet at the cross He took our sin and made it His own. Once He paid the price for our sin, we could be declared holy and perfect (2 Corinthians 5:21). When we confess our sin to Him and ask His forgiveness, He stamps "Paid in Full" over our life of selfishness, lust, and greed (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 1 Peter 3:18).
When we stand before God one day, we cannot beg entrance to heaven based on our own merit. We have none to offer. Compared to God's standard of holiness, not one of us is good enough. But Jesus is, and it is by His merit we can enter heaven. First Corinthians 6:9-11 says, "Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." The sacrifice of Jesus covers it all.
The people who go to heaven are all alike in one way: they are sinners who have placed their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:12; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9). They have recognized their need for a Savior and humbly accepted God's offer of forgiveness. They have repented of their old ways of living and set their course to follow Christ (Mark 8:34; John 15:14). They have not attempted to earn God's forgiveness but have served him gladly from grateful hearts (Psalm 100:2). The kind of faith that saves a soul is one that transforms a life (James 2:26; 1 John 3:9-10) and rests fully on the grace of God.
@ntg ism
How do you know that isn't?
Coz are you a Muslim?
the female expert at the end saved this video. The fact that the men tell women that the only way they can enter heaven is through a polygamous marriage is actually mad and baffling.
Indonesian is my native language, and let me just tell you, the tone that these polygamists use when they talk about the subject sounds even more gross than what you can read in the subtitle. This guy really loves the sound of his own voice and acts like the wisest, kindest, most pious person in the world when he spits out pretentious, self-centered bullshit. Just real gross. I feel like I need to take a shower.
what do you expect from islamist, they all sounds like that until someone interupt them and things will escalated quickly
@@theobserver6755 Please do not over generalize religions... this comment can only go for most extremist sector of all religions...
@@minelylizarraga567
No. You are mixing Muslim with Islamist. Islamist are politically driven and want a theocratic state based on fundamental interpretations of Islam.
It is like saying a white person and a white supremacists are the same thing.
learn islam from Christian Prince sister. You will get a lot of puke lol. Search christian prince on youtube
@@minelylizarraga567 islam is the religion of evil. thanks to christian prince, david wood and al fadi.
Lol i can see the reporter's eyes shooting dagger. If she had laser eyes like superman, that man would me roasted.
@@soheil527 Get a life
And then those wives of his wouldn't have any husband. Some solution!
“Women tend to use emotion over reason” this coming from a guy who, apparently, feels that men’s lust/ urges cannot be quelled, so he must take another wife...? You cannot control yourself enough to just commit to your wife, but women are the ones who tend to use emotion over reason? WOW
if a woman had multiple husbands she can still only deliver 1 kid after 9 months, while a husband can make multiple wives deliver kids in 9 months 9 kids can be born by same man. by design men are supposed to be polygamus not women , in the west u can have unlimited number of girl friends and get them all pregnant why not allow a 2nd legal wife who is given full right. the fact u got emotionally triggered means the guy was right
joblu pata so, that whole “spread my seed” argument was not the one he used. I used his logic against him to show how stupid it was- don’t know why you feel the need to justify it.
Which wife are you referring to? If he has three wives, as long as he commits to all of them, what is that to you?
@@steelawsm5946 Do you have a reason why it shouldn't be legalized, or just a bunch of stupid insults?
joblu pata Most Muslim countries are experiencing fast population growth, I don’t think maximizing the children born should be a priority.
Those women are so brainwashed. He even said it took many years to convince his first wife to let him get a second wife. Obviously she was against it and his persistence changed her view. Or she chose to accept it to avoid being divorced or not seen as a good wife? It’s all so degrading for women and cannot believe this stuff is still allowed to happen.
Yeah he basically coerced her
Yeah, that's right, when you convince or persuade someone it's really coercion.
@Raaampage she said no the first time but he kept persisting likely telling her that she’s too emotional to think logically and he’s the one that’s being rational not her
@@starcherry6814 Yeah, that's what we call a discussion (or an arguement lol), you expose your point of views, she exposes hers. One can get convinced, or persuaded, whether you use logical information (convincing) or emotional information (persuasion).
Ummer Farooq but the women probably want a nice sexy hunky man rather then that four eyes idiot, but they just shut up because they’re abused by him.
Lmao the reporter is 2 seconds away from smacking that man 👌
DOSTGOYEVSKY ! Your comment is utter nonsense but i don't know why I find it so funny. LMAO
in western countries u can have countless baby mamas whats wrong with a 2nd legal wife who is taken care of
if a woman had multiple husbands she can still only deliver 1 kid after 9 months, while a husband can make multiple wives deliver kids in 9 months 9 kids can be born by same man. by design men are supposed to be polygamus not women
@@joblupata3673
Idk what about you, but in our society, the primary goal isn't to get as much children as possible. During the industrial Revolution we did that and it ended in famines and dieseases. Our goals are rather to archieve and maintain a high Standart of life. Treaing women like cars or better baby factories is just not what people like to be treated
She is not married yet?? She is lesbian for sure! Woman working for vice lesbian check lol
So, a woman is rewarded by God if she submits to her husbands' lack of self-control.
A man is rewarded by God when giving in to his lack of self-control.
👌
This is the way of Islam lol
Indonesian women are bought by Chinese men. Hard life dude
@@TheIdontknow3456 what? I'm never heard of that, are you sure
Rewarded with 72 Virgins in heaven
They would be reward with 72 virgins no less. LoL.
"enter heaven through jealousy"........WOW that poor woman.
This translation subtitle is mess up.. Full with metaphor & misleading the true intent of the narrator. "Good virtue" just translate to "rewarded to heaven" & so forth.. This is prejudged documentary to condemn the legitimate practice since mankind set foot on earth..
she said not through jealously but patient... the translation has a lot of mistakes, the translator translated it literally and it don't represent what that woman means correctly..
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Maybe she is more happy than you
@@benny.pepper
Even if she feels jealous maybe she is still happier than you
His children might grow up to be polygamous haters. My grandfather practiced polygamy, and all of his children, including my father, strongly opposed it. My father said, wives might be able to accept. it's a choice for wives, but not for children. My father Indonesians, by the way
@Saaduddin Ansari Maksudnya gimana?
his name is so indonesian
smart father. Not blinded by quran.
I believe you don't watch the whole video. The lady, who is Muslim scholar, already explained why that man falsely interpreting that ayah for own 'desire'.
My great grandfather was a polygamist, too. To this day, I am still very grossed out by polygamy, largely because of what it has done to my own family.
The answer to this is simple. Simply avoid marrying a weak man that cannot stay faithful to his one wife.
Lol say that to guys living in the West.
A weak man is one who can only marry one.
@@yusufyousuf3493 The most powerful men in the world have only one wife though..
Helen E one wife and a 100 mistresses
@@yusufyousuf3493 Who has that?
I like how one of them wears pink and one of them wears blue. Can’t wait for yellow ranger to arrive
Ariza Wargadiredja did a great job, her reactions and commentary are what make this watchable rather than agonizing
if a woman had multiple husbands she can still only deliver 1 kid after 9 months, while a husband can make multiple wives deliver kids in 9 months 9 kids can be born by same man. by design men are supposed to be polygamus not women
in the west u can have unlimited number of girl friends and get them all pregnant why not allow a 2nd legal wife who is given full right
@@joblupata3673 how do you know in West it is okay to have many girlfriends? Give me the sources!
They can have all they want but can they afford? Half the time they leave their wife and kids, only to end up somewhere else with another wife and a few kids.
So many FLAWS in the polygamy arguments shown:
- If jealousy is the way to heaven, why not make it a guaranteed trip and watch the husband have sexual intercourse with another wife? It will surely fire up some jealousy.
- Men also feel jealousy - they should be allowed to enter heaven too! They need to let their wives have multiple husbands so nobody is denied of this jealousy.
- How does having more wives curb lust? if you cannot put your penis in just one vagina, what makes you think you would stop at 4? Or are you gonna marry all the women you want to have sex with?
- How is it fair to a wife since the family's disposable income would be reduced with a new wife that requires a house of her own too? What if another wife has more kids? Is it a race to bear children for more allowance?
I can see the argument that as long the two persons are in love (and the other wife accepts it), who are we to stop them. But how do we define *acceptance*? Conditioning to normalize their disgruntled feelings is not acceptance. And such conditioning is exactly what cults do.
My dad asked my mom the same thing, i told her to leave my dad because she’s worth more and deserves better as a woman
purrr ur mom is a queen❤️ sending her all the love
Wow, I kinda feel sorry for you for owning such a shittyyy dad. Hope you could take good care of your mom and keep her away from that a**hole. God bless.
@@sadtianii6061 Indeed But Why then When You Girls watch Reverse Polygamy Video .You Girls always Comment "Why that wasn't me " And Every think Which Look like You Girls are Supportive of it .....
So when A Man have Multiple Wives it's a Problem for you guy's .But When a Woman Have it's call Justice 😂😂😂
@@masfiqratul7559 nah man. i could never be with more than 1 man at a time. a marriage only has room for 2 people.
@@mo_7199 I was Talking about Majority I know Some Different do exist every where
That some next level bs to justify selfishness
You are gay !! you ll not understand this ...
Now you know the personality of Mohammad and his followers who wrote the book.
@@tifany2685 Why are you so insecure about Islam? Didn't the Prophet have multiple wives? Didn't his Companions? Stop being such a coward and trying to make these people like the religion.
@Sara Ford I can understand your frustration like most of the feminist you too have never been with a real man ....
@Sara Ford I have noticed most of your kind of women are sexually frustrated and they are jealous of women who are living happily with a man ..
I hated this so much until the green lady explain how guys abuse part of the quran to achieve their selfishness.... YASS QUEEEN
Saying "Men are Polygamous by Nature" is against Islam..?
Why do almost all Scholars claim that men are polygamous by nature with no Islamic claim? This makes men think it's okay to open doors and feel for multiple women, when in the west, where everyone is treated "equally" women are equally polygamous, cheating on their husbands, for "fun" not for "love or emotional" reasons as many put it.
This means that both sexes are vulnerable in the same way.
I think the society allows men to behave this way or think this way, because it's a male dominated world, and they supressed women since the beginning of time, when in the end, both men and women are the same, committing the same sins. However, the world makes it okay for men to be this way, claiming its their nature. Ever wonder why Muslim parents will abandon their daughters forever if they caught them speaking to a guy but will not do anything if their son goes out and sleeps around with women? Why is that? In the Shariah, both is a sin, both are haram!
True women may be of more fitnah towards men, because women have more awrah to cover, yet they fail to, but most men are naturally in hijab, hence the reason for lesser fitnah for women.
The Polygamy allowed also speaks about helping widows or orphans, anyone who can clearly study the Quran can understand that. The Sahabah and Prophets mostly married older women who had children from other men who had died. If men want to follow the example of the Prophet, they should follow it in the way he practiced it. Wars were common, many women were left without homes or men to take care of them. Had Allah disapproved, we would suffer social issues.
There are many many many men who are happy with one wife, who dare not think about other women. Even having a thought of a non-mahram while married is a huge sin, how can one approach the thought of Polygamy knowing this is wrong? We see here the clear reasons for Polygamy. Some claim their wife is too fat or too old so they want to get another wife? It's because women are too busy with children they don't have time to even think of getting another man. Though the arab world makes it look like women have no physical desires or feelings.
The fact that society has suppressed this, is proof why they claim "Men are Polygamous by nature" I would like to see any type of proof from Islam that this is true? Men were more free to do whatever they pleased, this is the real reason, before Islam and after Islam. It's not a religious view, its a social view.
We Muslims are taught to follow the Quran and refer to sunnah and hadeeth, if men want to remarry, then why dont they read the verse on polygamy and refer to the sunnah and hadeeth? There are clear hadeeths that our Prophet pbuh the sahabah remarried older women to help them and be noble men for the sake of allah subhanwaltala, not for sexual reasons as Scholars put it these days.
Also when Hazrat Ali wanted to take a second wife for the reasons I put above, it made Hzt Fatima upset and Prophet pbuh forbade Hazrat Ali remarrying a second wife.
So if anyone can show a claim from ISLAM that men are polygamous, I would like to see. Please don't bring sciencists' claims into this, because even they claim things that go against Islam.
Some abuse it, majority don't. If she does not want him to take another wife she can write it in the nikah contract and divorce him if he takes another wife. No one is forcing them.
Men and women brains aren't wired in same way. Where does Allah stop fulfilling human desire? Western values accepts being coward by practicing adultery. Monogamy is recent innovation.
@@holdshiftt2run308 Some ????!?!?!?!?!?!?! Nah man, many I got firsthand experience
@@JahannamHellfire brother
1st If A Muslim Like me dared to do that Sleeping with Girls etc .You Know what will My Father do to me . Simply Kick out the House .So How you can say They don't get Punished ???
2nd Indeed Ali(RS) was But Fatima (RS) before Selected Woman whom He can Marry after Her Death you missed Those Points 😗😗😗
Although the Quran allows polygamy (it being permissible for a man to have up to four wives as long as you treat them equally) you have to understand it was introduced at a time when men went to into war and have died therefore there were more women than men. It was permissible and even necessary then for men to have more than one wife for the survival of their people. However, as you can tell it’s not necessary now for a man to have more than one wife. We have over 7 billion people on the planet. If your husband ever tells you he wants a second wife, ask him why. If he says it’s a form of worship to Allah or that the Quran says it’s permissible, it’s most likely he’s using that as an excuse or a cover to hide his true desires which is most likely on the sinful side. If you tell him no, watch his reaction. If he presses on the issue despite telling him you’re uncomfortable with it, you will see it is only for his own desires that he asks this of you. After all he’s not allowed to have a second wife without the permission his first wife. If he does it anyway, it’s considered adultery and it carries grave consequences as you probably know.
So islam must evolve, right?
Premier League Freak it’s not that Islam must evolve but rather the followers, Muslims. These days a lot of Muslim people take advantage of the Quran. They take bits and pieces to suit them; for their own personal gain. Everything stated in the Quran will always be relevant- when circumstances change in the world and with the ummah (Muslim people) we will always look to the one thing that has remained constant in our lives and that is the Quran. Muslim people must change for the better not Islam nor the Quran.
@@hanmochii see the biggest problems in Islamic countries is that they have implemented Sharia law as their main Constitution, whereas other countries(not islamic) have separated their Constitution from the religion which is in simple terms is secularism. Muslim countries need to be secular and friendly to minorities with of course proper laws
There is no evidence from either the Quran or the Sunnah to support the claim that a husband needs the permission of his first wife to marry another and that not doing so equates to adultery. It is advisable that a husband speak to his first wife before marrying another woman (and not marry another secretly), but to say that marrying a second wife without the permission of the first is a major sin is a ridiculous and unsubstantiated claim.
@ hani I'm so agree with you! preach this yo!
I feel if the argument is because “men will ultimately have sexual urges to sleep around, and then woman contract STD’s” then the men should learn to maybe just not sleep around. And if they are sleeping around because they are not satisfied in their marriage maybe they shouldn’t have gotten married in the first place, it just sounds irresponsible, that doesn’t sound like a good man to me. I understand it’s part of their culture and that my comment won’t change anything but I just wanted to express my opinion
Exactly! And I'm sure the same argument is not used for women. If women sleep around, then they are considered to be adultresses and should be punished. What a double standard.
Men have been genetically polyamorous since the beginning of time. Get over it.
@@jazmine7642 Biology is a "double-standard". You have boobs, I don't. Waah, double standard!
Janis Garcia It is not part of their culture but their religion. They are brainwashed by their religion. It is the same with muslims everywhere.
At least they’re not lying on themselves
Riski, you have taken a risky path. Wait, till you get bored of 2 wives . In your 50s, both wives will take over the house , kids will compete with each other for money, house and business. You will be sitting in corner.
Thats why they call him Riski ...
@@soheil527 lol keep bashing, keep wasting time while entire world is leaping forward including us.
@@soheil527 shut up you rice bag convert, your ancestors got converted because they were coward.
@@soheil527 Your culture sucks.
sounds liek most monogamous relationships too minus the second wife lol.
“It’s a women’s fate to feel jealousy” wouldn’t a man feel jealous if he has to share his wife??
@kt95 gy Exactly, women and men are not the same in the physical construct, however they MUST be entitled to basic dignity, respect and equal rights. How would a man react/feel if he would have to share his wife? Or take for instance the Muta form of marriage, when asked about how a woman would feel about her dignity and respect being snatched away, men respond that it is the MAN's dignity and respect being snatched in the society, implying that women have no power or whatsoever position in the society to be entitled and feel utmost basic respect shown towards her. Not to forget that this indirectly leads us to the topic of the deep rooted patriarchy prevalent in the society. One must also keep in mind that polygamy is an archaic practice that was introduced by the prophet as a temporary solution to the violence and destruction of the battle of Uhud. In a dynamic society, we simply cannot be expected to accept certain practices and this INCLUDES polygamy. The way polygamy is justified in the video is simply to legalize the practice of adultery, which in turn would lead to a woman feeling the same emotions. Period.
@ShitGotReal Please help me understand where I went wrong (in my previous comment)
Yeah but man can make 4 women pregnants
Women can't carry more than a child
@@pujakr6916
Yes they can my whole family and I came from big family
All the men have one wife if more maybe two and I know only one person did and because his first wife is sterile
So he married the second for the children and he kept the first one out of love and respect and he didn't divorce her
@@pujakr6916
She loves him
Man you know nothing
So please don't act like you know everything about this couple yeah chill
You really made me laugh out your ignorance
That man is manipulative I can see, that's why finally his first wife can accept his idea of polygamy lol
true
I don't think he is manipulative. I feel like he actually believes in what he is saying and his religion. Only problem that I have is the idea that they go to heaven threw polygamy. But other then that if they want that relationship sure. But again I am an atheist so ofc I don't belive jealously makes you go to heaven.
I can see sadness from all the woman eyes, lmaoo you can't mask that one girl lol
Allah : you will never be able to act fairly towards women, even if you want to
Mr. Riski : nah, you don't understand math
Don't attribute lies please
@@kingkatiin2658taqiyya is allowed in islam. so lying is halal
@@mohammadsaiful9405 That's the Shia belief, and about 93% of the Muslim population is Sunni or other and doesn't share that belief
@@kingkatiin2658 th-cam.com/video/bFI_w8Ji-H0/w-d-xo.html taqiyya is real
Saya mengusulkan pembentukan pemerintahan internasional baru di dua kota Mekah dan Madinah dan di wilayah suci Arab Saudi. Negara baru ini akan diatur oleh sistem parlementer. Setiap negara Islam akan memiliki satu atau lebih perwakilan di parlemen ini, tergantung pada populasinya.
It's really twisted and funny how these men use polygamy as a way to not sin by cheating on your wife instead of trying to stay true and faithful to one woman (a wife in this case), I feel like polygamy is just an excuse for thirsty men.
Mohammad and his followers sure were thirsty.
Yet feminists defend Islam. Call people islamophobe. Yet Islam is filled with such things.
@@nsebast Prophet Muhammad was offered many women, riches, property to stop propagating in pre Islamic Arabia by the pagans, yet he didn't accept them and was waged war against by the pagans, you sir sure need to do more research.
No it's a way for women to still be able to marry, after all there are less men than women and historically that divide was massive.
this is rich coming from a western woman.. yall infidelity is higher than mens...
1. Feminisme yang bilang adultery sama prostitusi itu adalah bentuk kebebasan itu dikit banget, bahkan banyak feminist justru juga turut membantu para perempuan2 untuk bisa keluar dari prostitusi dengan mengangkat harkat dan martabat perempuan.
2. Mati syahid bagi laki-laki itu ga cuma perang, mbanya yang di poligami juga kalo mau mati syahid ga cuma harus mau di poligami, seriously mba, u're a nice woman, u deserve better than this man. (at this point, as a man myself i loathe myself to even call the husband, *a man*)
3. *ketika sudah berumur maka perempuan kecenderungan seksualnya* turun, mba, plis, do your reasearch and studies.
4. "yang selingkuh banyak ga?" sebagai laki-laki gua ngerasa terhina banget, lo pikir perempuan gaada yang selingkuh? "yang jajan banyak ga?" pernah denger betapa ramenya fenomena "brondong"?
5. " sexual urges are inevitable for men" so does for women.
6. "perempuan lebih dominan perasaan dibanding akalnya" duh ah, at this point, banyak banget perempuan yang bisa lebih mikir dibanding laki2.
7. "poligami boleh asal adil" habisitu dia matahin argumennya sendiri, "manusia gaakan pernah bisa adil soal perasaan" come on.
8. "di era skrg susah banget nyari cowo yg kaya riski" look again, there's a plenty of man out there who will worship you more, seriously mba 2nd wife, you're nice, you deserve better.
9. "istri kedua saya mau dipoligami itu adalah sepenuhnya keputusannya sendiri "ARGH, DAH JELAS2 DIA BILANG DISURUH -_-.
ini komen kasih aku harapan :)) makasih ya
i see whats happening. one guy, with enough money to cover two wives. the wives wont complain because they're living off of his money comfortably. the guy is enjoying himself well because.... he can.
It's wrong because he made up a bunch of stuff to justify the progressive way of thinking, like the scholar said at the end, they are taking the you can have several wives out of context and there is no promise that a wife feeling pain will automatically bring them into heaven.
Found the virgin
Well, it happens in almost all societies right? The nice part here is that he doesn't hide.
byTommy exactly, that’s the way it works, I know a guy even here in the United States who brought a girl from India and because he has good money she even agreed to bring another girl from India of course they’re not legally married here they just brought her on some bogus visa like saying that she is an employee or something like this and it’s so disgusting they’re both just basically prostitutes in my opinion
Some of them are women with career they have enough 💰
as a non Indonesian Muslim, I'm really shook by this like this is actually the wildest shit
No need to be shocked, all that he said is in Quran. Allah permit up to 4 women to be married (although in the continuation of the verse, one wive is better if you afraid unable to act just to all of your wives) , but as all we knew, its up to men to 'interpret and practice' the meaning behind it. If he wanted to have wives just to fulfill his desire of having a woman and be proud of it than he will use the verse to 'legalise' his act, but if he wanted to use the verse to help old widow that unable to look for a living by married her (like Rasulullah Muhammad pbuh itself had been practiced) than it is better for the man to use the verse as his reason to do it.
But adultery and prostitute is not shocking ok...
Stuff like this always baffles me man. Like? Would they be so accepting if a woman wanted more than husband lol. Exactly no fucking way. Their reasonings behind it are so selfish. If you are attracted to more than one person then I mean? But these men are just doing it for sex not loving relationships.
its vice, they find the most fringe crap and make it seem like its normal in other countries. Whole basis of vice is that, to get you to click and watch so they can rake in adsense money. I think they should find more stories in western countries instead of just third world asian and hispanic ones to look down on.
if a woman had multiple husbands she can still only deliver 1 kid after 9 months, while a husband can make multiple wives deliver kids in 9 months 9 kids can be born by same man. by design men are supposed to be polygamus not women , in the west u can have unlimited number of girl friends and get them all pregnant why not allow a 2nd legal wife who is given full right
She is a really good interviewer. She stays respectful at all times and I like that she still conveys her own opinion, while also giving plenty of space for the tohers to really share their thoughts.
Okey so the man argues that women lack a sense of “logic” and that’s why they don’t “understand” that he needs a second wife so that he can sleep with more women without being seen as an adulterer.. ok..
Thank you! I so needed this! I’ve been called a hypocrite, a disbeliever, a weak woman, an emotional illogical woman & so on & so forth by so-called ‘religious’ people just because I sternly reject polygamy. The funny part is those same people who criticize me attribute strength & manliness, piety, honor & wisdom to MEN with protective jealousy who would never allow another man to look at their wives. This is the sickest form of double-standards & sexism I’ve seen in my life.
honestly yea. it's not fair to women
Not wanting to do polygamy as a muslim is fine but its when you hate it, mock it and see it as backwards thats a problem
Biology is sexist 😅
Me as a muslim feel how that host feel when she is interviewing the man.
I feel bad for you for being enslaved
The quran said you can marriage 2,3 or 4 if you can treat them equal but i think this is not the case in this region .
chris bepo exactly. If you can’t treat them equally you’re actually sinning according to Islam.
The Quran says lots of messed up things just like the Bible. Both are cherry picked.
the quran is a book written by humans. not gods. it is not infallible word.
@@firdaus125 your lieing lol
@@bicboi555 prove that she's lying
such a good reporter!
must have taken tremendous selfcontrol to stay calm and factual..
At the point he said it was women’s fate to feel jealousy, I was out.
"It's my duty to mold and program my wives" 😲😳😒😔
Soooo women are ran by emotion but men make decision based on lust...k got it! 👍🏽
He enjoyed making them jealous. His manipulative mind games boast his ego.
I actually studied about polygamy in my second semester at law school this year, and I must say that it's very much legal in Indonesia, and yes it has many requirements to have many wives, but it's unquestionably legal here.
It's terrible for children's life
This is a really well done piece! I appreciate how the reporter highlights the fact that the man's wives often repeat to her his exact arguments - you see this a lot in interviews with the women of polygamist marriages, but it's very rarely highlighted so starkly, along with the question of whether the polygamy is really the women's choice or just something they have been browbeaten into through his repetition of misogynistic arguments. The interview with the scholar at the end who specifically mentions jealousy as a form of emotional abuse that many women in polygamist marriages may not recognize is also very powerful.
That guy's definitely going to Hell
Maybe you
@@الوزير-د9ص maybe you and the guy in the vid
@@theforceiswithu
You are just jealous
@@الوزير-د9ص maybe you we never know at least let's not regret anything
@@الوزير-د9ص more disgust than jelaous
This shit made me feel very depressed im in the middle of thought about parents can't raise their children properly and after seeing this it made me feel even more depressed
Hay not everyone is your parents
If men were created to be attracted to more than one woman then God would’ve given Adam EVES instead of just Eve. Being attracted to more than one is lust not instinct.
Don't use Adam and Eve as a example for men and women to be in a monogamous relationship as a commandment.
@@realmrdanger why not?
@@miumithea Because there's way more women in this world than men.
If every man had their own women, most women will be single for life. Also, the first Sin actually happened in the monogamous relationship and it hasn't been any better in today's time either.
@@realmrdanger i would rather be single my entire life than stay with an unfaithful husband
@@purpleplumps743 Except having two or more wives doesn't make him an unfaithful husband.
I feel sorry for these people And the box they’re living in 👀
RasTon ______ same
We're all inside a box. That's a wrong way to judge people.
At least the children will have both sets of parents supporting them while growing up. Can't say the same for your black community though.
Shut up you cuckold.
No honey, you're wrong. not all black community live the way you think., go get some education, let me tell you something, if you don't get out of the box you have been raised in, you'll continue suffering believing this nonsense " AT LEAST THE CHILDREN WILL HAVE BOTH SETS OF PARENTS SUPPORTING THEM " lol is this a victory to you ? looking your sister and mom being treated as a slave, as a machine who only work for give birth, take care of home, having no joy, no choices and sharing a man ??? hahahahaha sorry bro, but life is more than this. btw I'm black , I'm chocolate and I'm proud of it.
It always cracks me up when part of the justification for polygamy is women don't desire sex as much as men. As if there aren't women with high sex drives. And if a woman's sexual partner is a man who blows out her back, she's going to want it as often if not more than him.
But men do have higher sex drives than women?
so what if a woman wanted to take multiple husbands? is that ok? probably not
It's not okay indeed. Mainly (besides being Allah's will, for those who believe) because multiple husbands remove the ability to know the filiation. You wouldn't know who's the father of the child. There are other sound reasons of course. But this one will suffice, if you're interested you can make researches.
Actually, there's a thing called a paternity test so by that logic now it should be fine.
@TheExplorer me too, I litteraly pray that the third world countries of this earth get wiped out. and like half of America and possibly china and Canada. Thats just because the population will kill us all and we don't have thanos here to wipe half of us out
DOSTGOYEVSKY !
But what if my first husband performs badly in bed and financially. What if he can’t provide the level of sex or manicures I require?
Surely it would only be fair that I recruit a new husband to share his duties so that as his wife I could be fulfilled.
Women have needs to you know.
Haha.. You are dead if you do so and you're a woman.
17:35 is the really damning moment for this dude. I could tell he was a poorly-intended chauvinist prick and not some innocent polyamourous guy, but that moment really shows his disturbing beliefs underlying his relationship.
This man is a really patient con artist lol
if women want to have second husband ? How men will react?😅
but how?
you cant even give birth 2 children for both of your husbands. thats one of the reason why woman cant have multiple husbands
Polygyny
@@selaluoposisisiapapunpresi7982 Why not? Woman can gives birth to many children.
Wtf. I have 3 with my ex husband and one with the man that came along and had enough balls to take over raising my other 3 after we became pregnant with out first, after only knowing one another a few months. Good men do exist. And yes, women can have two men as fathers. It makes it emotionally trying at times to say the least but I'm blessed they both WANT to be around for their children, especially after my ex and I have grown up enough to be amicable and friends.
They will lose their minds 😂
when he talked a woman as an object LMFAOOOO
He is not, married the women he sleeps with unlike you people that use them play thing and go to ur next victim.
The whole unspoken question is, what do the women get out of this. How is their situation better as a second wife, as opposed to someone's first wife? This whole thing not being about them, but about blatant lust fulfillment of their husband, makes this opression to me.
He deliberately targeted a very young woman with only a high school education to have as a second wife for a reason.
Of course, becoming a mother and taking care of the house and your husband is often true for women who were born and raised in Muslim countries, but we have to also consider the fact that this is the only life they know, so of course they agree. But being an emotional being as women are often perceived as it is hard to share your husband and your family with another woman.
One of Riski's wives was a business woman though. So raising a family is definitely not the only life that she knows
As an Ex-Muslim I want to be as fair as I can. Polygamy is an abhorrent act but it is also one that was committed by many men across continents and cultures. Just like child marriage, child labour, slavery and other evil acts, polygamy was once something accepted. This is very much the legacy of old cultures and religions in our world. There is much we all still do that is ancient in a way e.g. giving in to our primal needs, marriage & weddings, go to war, make peace, trading and even simple things like working to fulfil a purpose etc.
If we grew up in a culture that told us X is okay and Y is not then that would become our subjective moral spectrum.
Islam does normalise polygamy and it takes a cultural revolution to change the people's conscience i.e. their subjective morality or partiality to be rewired.
Men and Women in both the west and east are premiscuous. We are hardwired this way to spread our genes and reproduce. This is something biological. Religion controls this by infiltrating the collective culture and forces us to refrain from indulging. This has its pros and cons.
Naturally we can all agree war and violence is bad and if religion stops that then it's a good thing such as commandments or verses. Of course we could argue religion has inspired more war.
Initially religions hegemonic stance on sex may have not been bad. To stop STIs and STDs as well as unwanted pregnancies before modern medicine. But now it's outdated; an anachronism.
And in this case we can see the dated patriarchal prerogatives of Islam still in play as they were in most cultures of old; with few exceptions.
Tl;dr: This is the Islamic equivalent of being a pimp.
Kindly watch farid responds channel videos
I'm literally 9 seconds in and I can say that when men fall in love and are genuine, every other girl disappears. I used to think I was cheesy and lame but I've talked with many others who feel the same way about only being attracted to their significant others. They tell us not to believe in fairytales but the you find yourself a real princess.
And not all men have sexual urges that are so irresistible that they either go out and get laid or marry another woman. that's ridiculous. this is personal but ive slept with 7 woman. Im 25 and have made myself a vow to stay celebrate until I marry. Reason being, i shouldn't sleep around with anyone I don't love. ive already slept with 2 women I dont truly love and I won't continue risking doing so. If I'm ever to spend my life dedicated someone I fall in love with then I can do better than belittling the meaning of making love anymore than I already have. And as for the other 5, I genuinely love them and haven't stopped letting them know to this day. Its created a really good sense of the dedication love deserves and has helped build friendships for life, that mean more than some past fling. I have yet to meet any significant others who don't want to have a beer and shake my hand, after I've explained why I remind their lady that I love them. Integrity. Is love worthy of that?
and do as you please in your own country but if I were to witness a Muslim man lay hands on his wife I won't hesitate to fuck his day up. that goes for any other man
....and when women "fall in love", they're still looking for something "better" (more money).
psygn0sis I can attest that I've witnessed some women leave good men for those whom they perceive as having a higher status, more wealth or even simply a nicer car. Quite shallow indeed. On the others hand I have dated some pretty amazing ladies who told me they loved me and still mean it to this day. What can you do? Sometimes humans gets sucked into materialistic and worldly ways
DOSTGOYEVSKY ! Really??? I don’t think so. I think it’s 50/50 half of all men are romantic like half of all women are Romantic. It’s just tough finding someone on the same wavelength who matches the same level of romance you hold.
@Ummer Farooq khabib isn't bulletproof and neither are you.
Is there something you didn't understand?
I think what I find particularly wrong about this is the second wife specifically said she only had a high school diploma which means she probably had intentions of pursuing higher level education. Now she has all of these children to take care of, I think this robs women of them realising their full potential in life
She can still continue it he and the other wife can take care of the children not that big of a problem tbh
I’d only be in favor of men having many wives if women could have many husbands also.
I could use one more to help around the house.
psygn0sis
I understand the Muslim religion, do you understand that Islam isn’t the only religion with polygamy. There are Mormons that practice polygamy, along with the fact that polygamy is in the Bible. Also Muslims aren’t the only group that sees women as property and controls them. India has women’s issues and do some Spanish speaking countries is south and Central America.
@@psygn0sis if your God was real lol do you even know what science means ? Men and women are equal , biologically different but that doesn't imply Superior or inferior
There are kids to help you out, that's what they're for (among other things lol)
M Soda damn I lol with this..😆. I need some help too lol!
People hating on here didn’t catch your joke.
Absolutely amen to that! In fact give me 2 more. 1 to cook and the other to bring more money in. I’d be a happy women 😃
I am a Muslim, I live in an environment of people who are religiously drunk and like to judge others in the name of God. I'm really fed up, I don't feel free as a woman. Those bastards always think women are inferior to men. Really, if I have money, I want to go far from this neighborhood of mine
Trust me, they're going against Allah's will
quran is not wrong, the people who read it was wrong, and do anything they want that gives them a lot of benefits, but they dont really know what the quran really mean.
Il only agree with this when it becomes available to Indonesian women.
I’m certain those women if they were honest, would appreciate another husband, maybe one that’s better in bed or more considerate.
Sarah that will never happen because the Quran only gives the right of polygamy to men
LOL! Women have been doing that. You can ignore thousands of years of sluttyness.
well sexual desire for men is instinctive almost automatic and doesn't depend on our brain and feelings, on the other hand women's sexual desire depends heavily on brain stimulation and a complex variety of feelings that a man should provide and that's why after marriage or living together woman's desire drops quickly cause most of that brain stimulation fades.
that's why a man can have more than one woman at a time and thus more than one woman at long will cumulatively provide almost the same sexual input as one man.
Anasse M well the Quran is a demonic book.
@@Sarah-ft8jr if everyone involved is completely free to choose and financially independent, and also agree upon having a poly relationship, sure. I'm sure this can be done in a rather healthy way that benefits everyone involved. And yes, if the man wants another woman, let her have another man. As long as you just keep talking about it, I think it can be very beneficial. Sadly this doesn't seem like that though
The interviewer was very biased and cruel. Polygamy is permissible in Islam, unlike what the sister in green said. So long as a husband can be as fair as possible i.e. He gets one wife a car, he buys the other a car. He buys one a dress, he buys the other a dress. How many men could afford this? Very few. If financially and socially a man can be fair to his wives then he can have more than one. But truly, this is a major responsibility and very few men could do it. A man can love more than one woman at a time. Plural marriage is far better than affairs and secret disgraced amongst men and women. If a man fears himself to be unjust, then he should have one wife and devote his love and attention to her as a husband. Also, jealousy is not the way to heaven nor is jealousy in and of itself abuse. It is a natural emotion for a wife or a husband, what will be rewarded is patience and having a cool head and not becoming angry.
Polygamy is not a right in islam for man , he can only do that if he get the blessing of his wife , if she say no , he have no right to marry but sadly people ignore that rule
exactly, you have to be fair with your wife, i.e. tell her before you marry her, that you want more than 1 wife.
You shouldn't give fatwa when you're clearly not able to. Hint : Your statement is wrong.
and here we go we take anything from the quran to justify your wrong doing , god dedicated a whole for women surah An Nisa go read it correct yourself stop misleading others who have no knowledge about islam
The verse allowing men to take more than one wife was revealed after the Battle of Uhud, in which 10% of the Muslim men had been killed.
Allah says what means:
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice]. (Quran, 4:3)
Now, in those days there was no kind of social security. If a woman didn’t have a husband, she had no one to provide for her. To put it simply, without a husband she would starve.
In a society where there were not enough men to equal the number of women wanting to marry, it was revealed that a man could take more than one wife.
But we must understand that this was to provide for her and to care for her. It is not a matter of fulfilling sexual urges.
If Muslim men today are taking a second wife to spice up their own sex life, they are quite misunderstanding what Islam is saying.
In taking a second wife, a Muslim man should be taking a more pious wife or a woman who is in need.
In direct answer to your question, then, according to scholars, the Shari`ah does not require the husband to get the consent of the first wife for a second marriage.
This, of course, assumes that the conditions for a second marriage are right according to the Shari`ah. In such a case he can legally go ahead and marry.
But, as we have said, the permission to marry more than one wife is given in the Quran in the context of protecting widows, as they need to be taken care of.
@Ummer Farooq Because the prophet had free will to do as he wanted like his wife's. He has the free will god specifically gave him to make his own choices and god did not say a word because God does not fucking care if you have 1 husband, 2 husband red wife, blue wife. He believes us all to be equal and smart enough to know right from wrong, though MOST countries think this more than one wife thing is Idiotic, it's a third world country so basically they all will die a short life span of 40 to 50
If they let me have two husbands, then I am in. Whahahaha me too
You actually can do that if you are a hindu. It is allowed to have more than one husband. I read some news that some people in India still do that because woman have less population than men.
In a few countries that is a thing, primarily Tibet and Bhutan
Saya mengusulkan pembentukan pemerintahan internasional baru di dua kota Mekah dan Madinah dan di wilayah suci Arab Saudi. Negara baru ini akan diatur oleh sistem parlementer. Setiap negara Islam akan memiliki satu atau lebih perwakilan di parlemen ini, tergantung pada populasinya.
Emotionally and physically you just cant as a woman men can
@THE ZOLDICS And I Already Watched Many Interviews of Indian Woman Have Multiple Husbands One lady even have 5 Brothers who all married her
as a guy whos been called a mysogynist multiple times(im not), having more than a single wife actually kind of disgusts me like why?? I can't imagine dedicating my life to more than one woman, I know that polygamy is accepted in islam but still, its just genuinely weird.
Yeah. Poly is very unhealthy for family construction. And a woman can't truly love a man if he ignore her and go to take other women to their home.
@@adw6894 literally more than half of civilisations before the renaissance practiced it.
Go read some history
@@ibnmuhammad886 it's still wrong and disgusting
If it's wrong and you see it's wrong why the hell should you go look up history to justify it.
Go get a life smh
@@james-zr1vw sure man whatever you say
It’s wrong because you say so
🤦🏾♂️
@@ibnmuhammad886 it's miss
A nineteen year old girl
This is a cult and islam promotes polygamy (your damn prophet or I'm not sure if you are a muslim)he had mutiple wives and a child bride
God made a man and a woman to be one with each other
Only the 2 of you
When people say that God permits these types of thing ( I call it pain)
Then he must not be God
They are being brainwashed
I'm sorry it sounded like you with it
Or maybe not
What is it
Not cheating if you marry em. Perfect. 👌🏼
I find it so insulting to men when people say they are 'driven by their desires'. Can we not expect better of them? Can they not achieve a higher standard within themselves? It's so sad that these women have to live such a life where their emotions are suppressed just so a man can have sex with others and still feel 'religious'.
"kenapa saya melarang suami saya poligami memangnya saya tuhan??"
Im so sorry for her for being victim of gaslight dan sesat agama.
coz one dishwasher aint enough
that comes after sandwich maker
Andrew j god configured me to like u back , no homo ;(
@@xanaxx-8735 so is one toolkit she should gave another husband
the "riski" guy watching this now: 👁️👄👁️
Horrible conditions - have to stop watching this. It is too sad.
its nice how the family is still connected at least the dad cares abt his family
"For men, they have to die in a war in order to automatically get to heaven."
Okay, so that explains why there are numerous terrorist attacks.
Nice pak rizki! I agree with you! When your daughter is old enough i want her to be my fourth wife. U are so understanding of us guys. I will look after her and you will ensure she goes to heaven. She will satisfy my desires and i won’t commit adultery.
Nice sarcasm there.
Exactly. Islam's moral code is fucked up. If the same things were done to them what they are told to do by the Quran. They would not want it.
Sick
I love Indonesia culture and all but I find it so nuts that they don't accept LGBT but accept a reprehensible/non sense practice of Polygamy . Marriage is Between 2 persons not 5 or 7
Basically it's just superiority complex of that man. I'm a Malaysian and I'm absolutely disgusted at how great he supposedly thinks he is. I'd smack him with my backhand if I was the reporter
You will be knocked out cold if I was there. Why the f do you want to assault him?
A man can be a women,
2 men can get married,
Everyone can sleep around with each other,
BUT marry more than 1 women is going to far?
The man is living the dream. He did nothing wrong. Successful polygynous marriages are not impossible. Haters will always hate. We need to get out of this monogamy-only mentality.
Just spread islam and tell ur sisters to avoid feminists just see the comments and than in one clip the interviewer said that she will be happy having multiple husband just see the hypocrite mindset allah warned us about it whenever u see a muslim women in danger protect her and never ever let western fornication ideology to enter indonesia and Malaysia
0:13 as a Muslim i think that's is one of the dumbest phrase I've ever heard
"Feminists don't consider adultery and prostitution oppressive to women , instead they see these activities as a form of freedom" clearly this guy doesn't understand feminism , this guy is a male chauvinist who wants to pretend that he's a Messiah or something. His logic and argument is flawed but he's skilled manipulator ...the reporter handled it pretty well , her reactions represents the viewers anguish and irritation perfectly , she still managed to keep it objective and ask the right questions
@@corasmr2101 thank you for the insider 's perspective :)
Self control is a major thing people need to learn .
This made me way more uncomfortable than I thought I would be going into the video.
I love the reporter!!! I feel the same if I can have two husbands then Im in. Also, funny thing about this is that man doesn't even realize he is disrespecting the qur'an. The whole goal of the quran, bible, torah, etc is to overcome your world desires to get closer to god/allah/yahweh. Lust is one of those big sins. Yet, He's using the qur'an as a reason why he has lust. Like hello that's not how this works. On the bible there was incest in the beginning to repopulate the damn earth and nobpdy is using that as excuse to sleep with their parents or siblings. Stop using a holy texts to excuse your sins
The reason polygamy is allowed in Islam is because back in the day, there'd be a lot of wars, so women would outnumber men by a lot. Polygamy was permitted so that women won't be left out of marriage. What these people are doing right now is stupid, there is no need for polygamy.
dragon888193ftw oh that old chestnut 🙄
What?
A common mistake for Muslim who learn Quran. Let get this straight, polygamy is not suggestion in Quran. When ayah came, most man at that time have more than one wive, even more than four. Then ayah came which is basically saying, okay, you can have more than one but limited to four. With one condition, you must be fair. And ayah went on by (basically) saying, you know what, you will never be and can not be fair, so one it's actually better choice for you. So this ayah was actually to tell muslim to leave polygamy. Polygamy was normal/common practice at that time. And when this ayah come, it's actually to limit the number of it. And even went further saying, just choose one cause it's better for you, you can't handle more than that. The question, why Quran doesn't go straight to 'just one'? See, this ayah, like other ayah, was always given in the goal that no matter what era Muslim will live in, Quran will still relatable and have relevant context. Of course, polygamy may seems so disgraceful in modern days, but imagine when this ayah was given in a time when most women are powerless and would get their honour/protection only through marriage, but single young man were probably not as settled as young man today. Not to forget there were wars, women left behind being widowers who reduce their chance to get remarried. This man in video is ignorance beyond doubt, and sadly he just goes on spreading around his limited (if not mistaken) understanding about Quran.
Lol, they talk as if only men cheat. If they used the same logic on women that would imply everyone can marry multiple times, may it be wives or husbands. Also, both men and women can get jealous.
I wish translations can really intepret what some people actually means like at 2.20 when she saya she wanted to break her fast… the actual meaning of that phrase is that she’s angry or upset and she’s close to letting people know how she feels.
I used to feel bad for my Indian ancestors who practised Polygamy and polyandry in the past as per stories. But seeing this I am thankful that I am Indian at least such practices were not supported by any religious phrase.He explained the gruesome concept in a very appealing manner. Thinking polygamy is the path to Salvation, links emotional torcher with devotion and destroys the path of devotion. The divorcee's line was absolutely correct why would pain be linked to God. Hope Indonesians don't encourage polygamy in future as they are now.
not my business
And?
😂 lol
Why are you here then?
@@davidswam9078 No, why are YOU here on this public forum, open available for all to use as they please? Riddle me that, Batman!
@@TYGR2115 Really?
I swear to god this is not Islam
This is satanic
I think this video illustrates, in a far shorter span of time and far more succinctly how backwards, twisted, and wrong polygamy is than most full-length film documentaries do. Unthinkable that this level of ignorance still exists in this day and age.
Why do they always say that it prevents men from cheating? If a man wants to cheat, not even 10 wives will prevent him from doing so. Lying to yourself is the worst thing
the subtitling in this video is way off.
"women’s fate to feel jealousy"
she said in Bahasa Indonesia
" fitrahnya perempuan itu kan merasa cemburu"
it means
"women are naturally inclined to feel jealousy"
she goes on to expand on thatwith the following
" but if they can overcome that jealousy, they are guaranteed an easy way in to heaven as opposed to men who have a harder route to navigate."
VICE.
please fire your translator or whoever did the subtitling or if u did it on purpose, shame on you.
When you talk and think you make sense 😂😂😂polygamy prevents hiv/aids? That's New 😂
its better than having multiple girl friends and baby mamas like Europe
No, that part actually makes (some) sense. A lot of STI spread is through affairs, because statistically people are a lot less likely to be responsible about safe sex. Also, if you ignore transmission from other means (badly screened blood transfusion, ect) then a polygamous group who only had sex with each other wouldn't be any more likely to contract an STI in the first place than a monogamous couple who only had sex with each other.
Basically it's a lot more about "how risky is your behavior?" and on that scale having a few regular partners is a lot less risky than having lots more, irregular partners, which is the alternative that is implied.
Cue people complaining that men should keep it in their pants in the first place and... yeah, totally fair point ;P But if you're going to assume that they can't because they don't have the willpower or whatever... then the rest of the argument makes some sense.
@@LaughingIshikawa why should polygamous people have sex only with themselves and monogamous people with others? You can only speak for yourself. You have no idea who is keeping it locked in any relationships. Let me read more. I come from a Community of polygamy which also has high rates of hiv. More wives doesnt stop a husband or wives from getting it somewhere else. Maybe Asian women believe the man's sex drive is higher but I am sure most asian men would not satisfy me so yeah😂😂
@ intuitive self-love
Well again, if you believe that all men (and maybe women too?) will always cheat no matter what, then we're having a different kind of conversation. But if you believe (as I feel was implied in the interview) that men only cheat because they're unsatisfied with the amount of sex that they can have with only one wife.. then yeah, a monogamous man would cheat more than a polygamous one, in those circumstances.
Not that either of those assumptions are what I personally believe... I'm defending her logic proceeding form her assumptions here, not necessarily the assumptions themselves.
@@LaughingIshikawa who said I believe ALL men cheat? Cheating might be male based in Indonesia but not where I am. The idea men cant be satisfied with one women again is bullshit. Women especially in polygamous relationships are starved and clearly these women will be rewarded in heaven. I am 100% sure even this husband here would not give me my daily dose. He does not look sexually big or strong so he can play doodle with his wives. Anyways have a lovely day. Cheating has nothing to do with how many wives you have. Its just what it is. Your logic makes sense in Indonesia not anywhere else.
Start keeping in mind women cheat too. Something you keep ignoring lol
i laughed during the whole video..... the amount of stupidity . not even surprised about that guy but when siss agreed and had the same thoughts ughhhh ...wanted to slap them awake
polygami ya poligamy tp tolong jgn tinggal di sumatra ,jawa,kalimantan,papua, maluku, nusa tenggara,lombok, bali. sana cari pulau yg masih sepi tinggal disitu. overpopulated sudah di pulau2 besar
This is the reason tsunami hits Indonesia once in every five years
its ok to be gay, lesbian, bisexual or transexual but it is taboo to marry 2 women according to his beliefs. Even in Malaysia it is hard to find man have that have more than 2 wife, why bother? For my fellow muslims friend please respect Al-Quran & Respect Allah open your eyes.
Tbh, I'm pretty sure there's alot of guys who are in 'polygamous' relationships. The only difference is that they don't tell their partner who they are with. You know what that's called? Cheating, having an affair. At the very least this guy was truthful to his wives. Its just ironic how society calls polygamy a taboo when society itself is secretly doing it.
Yes but polygamy is cheating. Cheating is still cheating
@@Monarch_Prime how is it cheating when your partner knows and consents a second marriage? Cheating is when you are being with another person in secret. That's being unfaithful. The guy in the video was upfront and truthful about having a second marriage.
16minutes of watching this my heart hurts. Can't even think my man would be with somebody else, this is so cringy.
When Rappers have so many women who they call B**** and H*** and boast about having more than one woman, society plays their music and gives them awards. Likewise as do many men. But when a man marries and cherishes more than one wife the its like 'ohh no way thats so wrong'. So Much double standard.
Both are wrong and it is sad to see one is more widely accepted. Both should be banned indefinitely.
when muslim men marries and cherishes more than one wife, muslims see him as pious. But when a woman does the same thing then it's like 'ohh no way thats so haram', she gets called 'infidel', she's told she wont enter heaven, she's attacked with stones.
So Much double standard.
it's funny you take life lessons from a Rapper
kanderson nice lying
But people still see it as wrong tho so its not double standard
I realized halfway through that watching things like this is a form of self harm. I don't deserve to see this. No one deserves to live it.
Riddle (mostly Muslims get this quicker)
1. A lot
2. A little
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
What is that?
Fact : We are seeing this in a way how VICE wanted us to see this. That's media.
When men go around with any women, party, one night etc and let them become single mother and put them in difficulties finding the father of the child and went to a show and said "you are not the father", and she runs and cries at the backstage for that hardhship. Isn't that oppressive towards women? Marriage is good. Polygamy is allowed but not mandatory. I believe women before marriage can put condition in the marital contact so her husband do not marry a second at least until she is with him. Look into the matter holistically.
Men: i'll treat all my wife fairly just like what God said.
God: sorry dude i created man for cannot treat their wifes fairly.
please watch suboor ahmed videos