Hi Robbie - I’m the founder of Fjorden (which @arminhirmer mentioned, and which was just acquired by Leica) and now also the Head of Product for Leica LUX! Just wanted to say that I appreciate your honest feedback. For what it’s worth, I think your example photos are great (beautiful composition and colours) - though, as you correctly point out, the digital bokeh rendered in the LUX app can’t match real Leica M-lenses! Sometimes, we get close (and we have many ideas in the pipeline for getting even closer), but ultimately, nothing beats the feeling of shooting with a real Leica. Our goal, though, is to give users the next best thing - photos as close to the unique Leica aesthetic as possible - if their real camera isn’t in reach. As for the manual control not being available in Aperture Mode: Unfortunately, that’s a limitation of the iPhone. It gives developers access to either a depth map, or manual controls and RAW files, but not both. Fingers crossed that changes at some point! Cheers, Victor
Hi Victor, Thank you so much for your kind words and for taking the time to respond! I really appreciate your insights and understand the challenges you face with the app. It's great to hear that you have many ideas in the pipeline to improve the digital bokeh and overall experience. I'm excited to see how the app evolves and gets even closer to that unique Leica aesthetic. I also apologize for not knowing about the limitations that the iPhone has, and I’ve updated my comments to reflect this. Your feedback means a lot, and I'm looking forward to future updates. Cheers! Best, Robbie
To say that the app is not really like an M camera or feels like shooting with an M camera is kind of beyond ridiculous. Duh, wow how insightful. Waiting to see if the Fjorden addition to the IPhone will improve the experience. Never been a committed IPhone camera user but maybe it will get better over time. It is just brand new and probably has a lot of improvements coming over time
I get where you’re coming from but the fact that the app is branded with Leica will invite a surprising amount of people to expect it to replicate shooting with an M camera. I’m sure improvements will come over time but I don’t think anything major will happen in the near future as a lot of it might depend on the hardware that Fjorden has no control over, the iphone itself. Although, I’m really hoping to be proven wrong. Again, I wanted to like the app. But it really felt terrible to me 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I don’t think Leica really intended this to be like their cameras but just make it a bit more fun to shoot with your iPhone. I took the subscription for a month because the other features in the paid version make it fun. You can’t compare an iPhone to a real camera of this class anyway and can use other apps but because I only use my phone for social media the paid version is actually kind of fun to play around with especially because all the features are unlocked and when I get tired it I can always end the subscription and besides photography is just a hobby for me so I would never expect an iPhone to replace a very expensive camera but maybe instead it may interest those who never experienced the real Leica cameras may want to after trying out the app. Just my thoughts about it.
Awesome that you like the app. Yeah and the app has very good filters and might encourage people to try their cameras. But, I also think that they are very aware the app suggests that it will come close to the real thing.
Been playing with this for the free trial period and wonder how to access the manual controls mentioned in the Leica press release. Obviously, exposure comp is there but how about shutter / iso / and focus? The color profiles are OK, but the lens simulations are pretty rough. Hope they put a little more work into this or getting people to subscribe is a vain hope. Thanks for the review!
I agree, the colours look ok. I can’t find the manual controls too. Maybe in a future update? I’m not willing to spend the money to wait though 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’ve been having a bit of fun with the free version of the app, but it’s simply just skins for an iPhone camera. And there’s not even a purchase option, they want you to subscribe every month. Not sure why the Germans have been on this path lately (BMW, merc, now Leica, etc) but not interested in this business model at all. Deleting this app later today and will use my actual Leica TL2 instead.
So you don’t leica it, huh? It was oddly satisfying when you finally said the app is merely a ‘filter’ because that was my first thought when I saw your thumbnail. Bottom line, do we just skip the faux app and opt for the real deal?
I don't have experience with Leica products but after testing the app I might try one of their cameras, and I think the purpose of the app to give and idea of Leica signature.
So you heavily process a file from an M but it’s not ok to use a “filter” for the Lux. Sounds like you’re an Elitist. I’ve got a Q myself, sorry for not having the “skills” to manual focus a M. If the app makes a Lux user happy, why not use a filter?
It's not just about using a filter. It would be great if the filters are done well. I think there's potential, but it can be so much better. The Leica Q is an awesome camera, mate. I may be a hipster but hardly an elitist. For me, it’s about ensuring that people who pay for the app get the best product possible. I have no problems with using filters like Dehancer, VSCO, and even some Instagram filters. The goal is always to provide value for money and to give users a product that meets their expectations especially when the intention of the app is to showcase what Leica is about.
Your photo are already great and I have tried the app. Only have the same feeling with you. The effect is fake and the focusing speed is suck. I know Leica has to find the new way for money.
Thank you so much. There is potential for the app to be better though. Let’s hope it does. I really look forward to creating a follow up video for the app.
@@robbiesumantri as Leica alway. They are not good at to follow the trend. At the old time they created the history. But now they seem losing the focus and don’t know what to do next for the market.
@@nicolelaw2598 I actually like the direction that they are going with the newer cameras they make. They are trend setters in terms of design, just look at the cameras that fuji is popular for. But, the app is a bit of a let down.
masih tahap pengembangan sih ya.. tapi looks filter nya mirip2 leica.. mungkin merambah income diluar daripada penjualan kamera Leica itu sendiri.. bokeh nya karena software sama hal nya dengan portrait nya Iphone.. memang engga serapih google pixel tapi worth it to try.. imho 😃
Mirip si. Kalo lens simulationnya aneh bgt. Mungkin kalo seperti moment, mereka release lensa external akan mendingan. Applikasi berpotensi tapi masih terlalu underdevelop untuk di release.
Well, let me say this about that... I suffered through your sneer because you have the real deal, and you dragged me in with your like-a joke; I was interested in your take. From the outset, I get that you are really ticked off that the default aperture wasn't to your liking. And yes, photo-genius, the app is really just a set of filters. As is life itself. Your true disgust how a $7 application doesn't approach the look and feel of a $6,000 camera is clear. And kind of weird.
Thank you for summarising the video 🤣🤣.. So, what you’re saying is, the Leica logo does not even remotely intend to “suggest” to people that it will get you close to the look and feel of the real thing? To be fair, the leica looks bit is not terrible. I didn’t mind the default aperture and I said nothing about that. “aperture” mode is the one that you use to simulate the leica lenses and I was annoyed that it wasn’t the default mode. I’ll take weird if it means that I voice out my honest opinion instead of raving about something I don’t like. Thanks for stopping by.
So you dont know how to use the app and you made a bad review? lol. Maybe try learning where the settings are and how to shoot with your phone properly? Check the video by Alex Barrera if you want to see results when you know how to shoot with a phone and use the app properly.
I guess I should stop making videos and stop shooting 🤷♂️🤷♂️ Anyone wants my cameras for free? I guess I should sugar coat any negative feelings I have about anything on the market. Go enjoy the app, congratulations, but I’ll pass
@@robbiesumantri sorry if that was a bit harsh but you don’t even know how to get into manual mode and use the app properly but you’re crapping all over it. Maybe spend some time learning how it works instead of trying it for a few minutes and making a review. That’s all
The whole app was about the looks and the lens simulations. I admit I didn’t go into the mode using the app without the lens simulations but, wouldn’t that be using just half the app? I honestly think the colours come really close to the real cameras and it has real potential but, half the app that people will pay for is really not there yet. I’m really hoping to give it another go once they update the app but I will still give my unfiltered opinion on it. Thank you for stopping by and taking your time to comment 🙏🙏
@robbiesumantri Dibs on the camera! 😊 @michaelbell75 Did we watch the same Alex video where he talked about how bad it was and wouldn't recommend it? 🤔
@@jaxytvids bottom line is, his shots closely matched the actual Leica photos. Why wouldn’t you want that on your phone? And please dont bring up $7 a month or $70 a year. People overpay for Leicas, I think they can afford 19 cents a day 😂
as far as I understood Leica did team up with Fjorden. They produced a while ago a nice add on grip for the phone, with rocket leaver, turning wheel and shutter button. That might help a bit :D but as expected, real bokeh is real bokeh. Thats why we use real cameras :)
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Hi Robbie - I’m the founder of Fjorden (which @arminhirmer mentioned, and which was just acquired by Leica) and now also the Head of Product for Leica LUX!
Just wanted to say that I appreciate your honest feedback. For what it’s worth, I think your example photos are great (beautiful composition and colours) - though, as you correctly point out, the digital bokeh rendered in the LUX app can’t match real Leica M-lenses! Sometimes, we get close (and we have many ideas in the pipeline for getting even closer), but ultimately, nothing beats the feeling of shooting with a real Leica.
Our goal, though, is to give users the next best thing - photos as close to the unique Leica aesthetic as possible - if their real camera isn’t in reach.
As for the manual control not being available in Aperture Mode: Unfortunately, that’s a limitation of the iPhone. It gives developers access to either a depth map, or manual controls and RAW files, but not both. Fingers crossed that changes at some point!
Cheers,
Victor
Hi Victor,
Thank you so much for your kind words and for taking the time to respond! I really appreciate your insights and understand the challenges you face with the app. It's great to hear that you have many ideas in the pipeline to improve the digital bokeh and overall experience. I'm excited to see how the app evolves and gets even closer to that unique Leica aesthetic.
I also apologize for not knowing about the limitations that the iPhone has, and I’ve updated my comments to reflect this. Your feedback means a lot, and I'm looking forward to future updates. Cheers!
Best,
Robbie
Thanks Robbie! Much appreciated!
I hope Leica will introduce the Camera Control magsafe add-on soon :)
To say that the app is not really like an M camera or feels like shooting with an M camera is kind of beyond ridiculous. Duh, wow how insightful. Waiting to see if the Fjorden addition to the IPhone will improve the experience. Never been a committed IPhone camera user but maybe it will get better over time. It is just brand new and probably has a lot of improvements coming over time
I get where you’re coming from but the fact that the app is branded with Leica will invite a surprising amount of people to expect it to replicate shooting with an M camera.
I’m sure improvements will come over time but I don’t think anything major will happen in the near future as a lot of it might depend on the hardware that Fjorden has no control over, the iphone itself. Although, I’m really hoping to be proven wrong. Again, I wanted to like the app. But it really felt terrible to me 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I don’t think Leica really intended this to be like their cameras but just make it a bit more fun to shoot with your iPhone. I took the subscription for a month because the other features in the paid version make it fun. You can’t compare an iPhone to a real camera of this class anyway and can use other apps but because I only use my phone for social media the paid version is actually kind of fun to play around with especially because all the features are unlocked and when I get tired it I can always end the subscription and besides photography is just a hobby for me so I would never expect an iPhone to replace a very expensive camera but maybe instead it may interest those who never experienced the real Leica cameras may want to after trying out the app. Just my thoughts about it.
Awesome that you like the app. Yeah and the app has very good filters and might encourage people to try their cameras. But, I also think that they are very aware the app suggests that it will come close to the real thing.
That’s enthusiastic marketing 😊
🤣🤣🤣..
Does anybody know how to get dng files? Although ticked in the menu I only get jpgs…
Ohh just noticed this as well
Been playing with this for the free trial period and wonder how to access the manual controls mentioned in the Leica press release. Obviously, exposure comp is there but how about shutter / iso / and focus? The color profiles are OK, but the lens simulations are pretty rough. Hope they put a little more work into this or getting people to subscribe is a vain hope. Thanks for the review!
I agree, the colours look ok. I can’t find the manual controls too. Maybe in a future update? I’m not willing to spend the money to wait though 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’ve been having a bit of fun with the free version of the app, but it’s simply just skins for an iPhone camera. And there’s not even a purchase option, they want you to subscribe every month. Not sure why the Germans have been on this path lately (BMW, merc, now Leica, etc) but not interested in this business model at all. Deleting this app later today and will use my actual Leica TL2 instead.
It would be great if they have a permanent purchase option. I like some of their jpeg profiles though. Thank you for stopping by
You realize that everything is going subscription-based these days, right?
Unfortunately, that’s true.
So you don’t leica it, huh? It was oddly satisfying when you finally said the app is merely a ‘filter’ because that was my first thought when I saw your thumbnail. Bottom line, do we just skip the faux app and opt for the real deal?
I mean, it’s a stupid concept, but if they charged $8 as a one time fee, it’ll be a lot more acceptable. More of a forgivable gimmick..
made a video about this on my channel yesterday as well and... glad to see we think the same way. cheers ;)
I saw your video this morning dude!!! Awesome channel!! Yeah.. the app can be improved so much.
@@robbiesumantrithanks man - much appreciated! Ya I also went around checking other videos see if it’s just me 😂🥴 take care and keep up the good work!
@cris_photography likewise man 🙌🙌
I don't have experience with Leica products but after testing the app I might try one of their cameras, and I think the purpose of the app to give and idea of Leica signature.
That’s really interesting. Mind if you elaborate on how it made you want to try one of the cameras?
@@robbiesumantri I will check their line of cameras, watch some reviews, rent or borrow if possible, and if it suits my interest I would buy it.
I just shift down the tint. +10 instead of +20 in lightroom. Hope this helps
There are manual controls in Photo Mode if you swipe down from the bottom of the "viewfinder", though you don't have the F-Stop slider in that mode.
I just tried it.. You lose the lens simulations though… Which is a large part of the app..
@@robbiesumantri Yeah :(
So the verdict stands… 🤣🤣
So you heavily process a file from an M but it’s not ok to use a “filter” for the Lux. Sounds like you’re an Elitist. I’ve got a Q myself, sorry for not having the “skills” to manual focus a M. If the app makes a Lux user happy, why not use a filter?
It's not just about using a filter. It would be great if the filters are done well. I think there's potential, but it can be so much better. The Leica Q is an awesome camera, mate. I may be a hipster but hardly an elitist.
For me, it’s about ensuring that people who pay for the app get the best product possible. I have no problems with using filters like Dehancer, VSCO, and even some Instagram filters. The goal is always to provide value for money and to give users a product that meets their expectations especially when the intention of the app is to showcase what Leica is about.
Your photo are already great and I have tried the app. Only have the same feeling with you. The effect is fake and the focusing speed is suck. I know Leica has to find the new way for money.
Thank you so much. There is potential for the app to be better though. Let’s hope it does. I really look forward to creating a follow up video for the app.
@@robbiesumantri as Leica alway. They are not good at to follow the trend. At the old time they created the history. But now they seem losing the focus and don’t know what to do next for the market.
@@nicolelaw2598 I actually like the direction that they are going with the newer cameras they make. They are trend setters in terms of design, just look at the cameras that fuji is popular for. But, the app is a bit of a let down.
Lu orang indo bg?
Iya kak, orang indo
masih tahap pengembangan sih ya..
tapi looks filter nya mirip2 leica.. mungkin merambah income diluar daripada penjualan kamera Leica itu sendiri..
bokeh nya karena software sama hal nya dengan portrait nya Iphone..
memang engga serapih google pixel tapi worth it to try.. imho 😃
Mirip si. Kalo lens simulationnya aneh bgt. Mungkin kalo seperti moment, mereka release lensa external akan mendingan.
Applikasi berpotensi tapi masih terlalu underdevelop untuk di release.
Well, let me say this about that...
I suffered through your sneer because you have the real deal, and you dragged me in with your like-a joke; I was interested in your take.
From the outset, I get that you are really ticked off that the default aperture wasn't to your liking.
And yes, photo-genius, the app is really just a set of filters. As is life itself.
Your true disgust how a $7 application doesn't approach the look and feel of a $6,000 camera is clear.
And kind of weird.
Thank you for summarising the video 🤣🤣..
So, what you’re saying is, the Leica logo does not even remotely intend to “suggest” to people that it will get you close to the look and feel of the real thing? To be fair, the leica looks bit is not terrible.
I didn’t mind the default aperture and I said nothing about that. “aperture” mode is the one that you use to simulate the leica lenses and I was annoyed that it wasn’t the default mode.
I’ll take weird if it means that I voice out my honest opinion instead of raving about something I don’t like.
Thanks for stopping by.
So you dont know how to use the app and you made a bad review? lol. Maybe try learning where the settings are and how to shoot with your phone properly? Check the video by Alex Barrera if you want to see results when you know how to shoot with a phone and use the app properly.
I guess I should stop making videos and stop shooting 🤷♂️🤷♂️ Anyone wants my cameras for free?
I guess I should sugar coat any negative feelings I have about anything on the market. Go enjoy the app, congratulations, but I’ll pass
@@robbiesumantri sorry if that was a bit harsh but you don’t even know how to get into manual mode and use the app properly but you’re crapping all over it. Maybe spend some time learning how it works instead of trying it for a few minutes and making a review. That’s all
The whole app was about the looks and the lens simulations. I admit I didn’t go into the mode using the app without the lens simulations but, wouldn’t that be using just half the app?
I honestly think the colours come really close to the real cameras and it has real potential but, half the app that people will pay for is really not there yet.
I’m really hoping to give it another go once they update the app but I will still give my unfiltered opinion on it. Thank you for stopping by and taking your time to comment 🙏🙏
@robbiesumantri Dibs on the camera! 😊
@michaelbell75 Did we watch the same Alex video where he talked about how bad it was and wouldn't recommend it? 🤔
@@jaxytvids bottom line is, his shots closely matched the actual Leica photos. Why wouldn’t you want that on your phone? And please dont bring up $7 a month or $70 a year. People overpay for Leicas, I think they can afford 19 cents a day 😂
as far as I understood Leica did team up with Fjorden. They produced a while ago a nice add on grip for the phone, with rocket leaver, turning wheel and shutter button. That might help a bit :D but as expected, real bokeh is real bokeh. Thats why we use real cameras :)
Hahahaha that’s a bit too pretentious to me…
mantap bang
Thank you..