McDonnell Douglas was close in competing with Airbus and Boeing there MD-80 series were close rivals to the A-320 and the MD-11 was also a competitor to the 767 and A-350
If I recall, Japan has the potential and technology to build their own aircrafts, but since Boeing already outsourced much of their work to Japan, Japan didn’t bother building their own plane company.
It will likely be some significant innovation for any manufacturer to be a successful competitor to Airbus and Boeing. For COMAC of most would have a cost advantage but likely will have a geopolitical wall with the western countries.
The US didn't ban the sale of the CSeries,but it did slap a 300% tariff on the jet. Bombardier was in too much debt because of the cost overruns and asked both the provincial and federal governments to help. Provincial said yes, and Ottawa said no, because Not Ontario.
Actually the ARJ21 is based off the DC-9 as during the 1980s there was like I dunno I think a tech trade between McDonnell Douglas and a Chinese Aerospace company and the predecessor to the ARJ21 are Chinese built DC-9s under license built
@@nntflow7058 that is not happening. C919 would be far outdated by the time China develops enough infrastructure to satiate the demand of Chinese airlines.
@@nntflow7058 Chinese Airlines won't be forced to only operate the C919, they will be forced to operate exclusively COMAC aircraft, as the C919 can't be used for long haul flights.
Lockeed could have competed of they didn't focus on the TriStar or made new types after it ,mainly twinjet narrow and widebodies. This is because they have reasonable funds
An interesting proposal they wanted to try but couldn’t with the money lost on the Tristar was a quad with 2 engines on the main wings and 2 at the back
I have a theory that COMAC might really become a competitor since they can probably make some more affordable aircraft in a sense on how their previous manufacturing with other products made in their country, although it might be a complete knockoff with a few of their own touches.
All I know is if I'm booking a ticket and it says operated by a COMAC or similar, I'm not hitting "buy". Chinese copy cars have...great safety standards, I can only imagine how good their planes are.
The only way there will ever be competition to boeing and Airbus is if a company expresses a desire to make a plane that airlines really want, but neither of those companies will make. Because of this there is a possibility that boom aerospace will enter the market soon because they are the only ones planning on making a supesonic aircraft.
Be interesting to know if the Russians are planning on getting the MC21 certified outside of Russia. Doubt they have enough of a domestic market to make it commercially viable.
@@nntflow7058 Bro… certification is going full steam ahead. Here a video of the first flight with PD-14 engines back in 2020: th-cam.com/video/I8ezQShBKsU/w-d-xo.html
It's really about just how expensive and complicated it is to develop and produce aircraft. That type of industry always has few competitors because the market cannot support many players and each survive. Classic high development and fixed cost industry.
Bombardier had completed it's research and made an really good plane. Then Boeing just made sure they couldn't sell them using their influence in the US government. Karma happened when airbus took over Bombardier and kept the production in place.
If Comac's jets are cheaper, then maybe some smaller airlines scoop up the 929 to gain entry into the wide body market-but legacy and the big Middle Eastern and African airlines won't be phased and most low/lower cost carriers already have their heart set on a specific jet-not saying a new low-cost airline outside of China could pick the 919, they probably would have a larger curve to overcome from all angles (Industry people, AvGeeks or somehow mass transit adjacent types, and General Public)
I can see a market for COMAC if the Chinese gov subsidize the sell of this jets to nations/airlines struggling to access newer and more expensive planes.
I would like to see COMAC, CRAIC, and Irkut grow, but feel they may not grow to the size of Boeing and Airbus. I can see them getting orders from several international airlines (like Indonesia’s Transnusa with the ARJ-21), but feel they may only get to the size of Bombardier and Embraer.
China has a realistic chance of giving some competition to Boeing and Airbus, given it own large domestic market. Also, it can easily put barriers to Airbus and Boeing in China, if EU and US decide to create hurdles for it's COMAC certification. China is a market both Airbus and Boeing cannot afford to lose, and China can actually call some shots here.
That would be shooting themselves in the foot because Comac relies upon many technologies from western companies to build their planes. Including the engines and most of the integrated circuits powering the fly by wire tech of the plane.
All those back orders but Russians couldn't sell any planes even before the war. As someone else mentioned the support infrastructure is a big reason for Airbus/Boeing dominance.
Given the reputation of Chinese made products I don't see COMAC ever being able to compete outside of Asia. I think UAC has a shot, once the fighting in Ukraine is over atleast. Simply because it's backed by some experienced manufacturers. Time will tell
@Dedar Ahmed financially yes, but Boeing and Airbus have a reputation that the flying public loves. UAC, although new, comes from a combination of older soviet manufacturers that some of the African flying public likely have nostalgic fondness for. I honestly don't think China has the chance to break out of southeast Asia for a long time
_"Given the reputation of Chinese made products...."_ Having a homegrown aircraft manufacturer is a matter of national pride, and that's something a national government is keen about. That's why in the Bombardier v Boeing matter of the CSeries sale to Delta, both Canadian and US governments were embroiled in a mini trade war with new taxes and levies for certain aeronautical products across board. Having established the shallow pride of having a domestic plane maker, it is of the Chinese government interests to make sure the Comac is a safety success. And if they make and sell like a thousand planes domestically that stick their landings, and those planes are priced reasonably well, it is not outside the realm of possibility that low-cost airlines _globally_ would take an interest. The US may not like or buy the plane, but the rest of the world doesn't care about that. And if EASA certifies the plane , then quite literally the sky is the limit for the newcomer.
@jatwangismyname900 that's a maybe in the far future, besides, people already view Chinese made products as inferior. (Due to the perception of communist made goods)
Let’s be real here, Chinese airlines have no choice but to buy Comac planes despite them being worse. They probably do get a sweet discount though making the plane more economically viable, and because of the Chinese governments stakes in Comac. Literally most orders for the planes come from Chinese banks/leasing companies. Out of the known orders, 8 out of 23 customers are Airlines with 95 orders with 488 orders coming from Chinese lessors and banks basically
Embraer jetliners are outfitted with American engines. Obviously the US would never grant an export licence for those if the planes were sold to Russia.
There are only 2 because there were only 2 big economic centers until the reemergence of China. Designing planes is hard but not impossible, fighting for market share on another company’s home turf is way harder. Brazil, Japan, Canada ,post-Soviet Russia all failed because they don’t have a big enough home market
You can't be successful when you forced airlines to buy your aircraft. It would only work in China. In places like India, Brazil or Indonesia for example. It makes no sense to buy C919. It's too expensive to maintain due to lack of spare parts and lack of competition in maintenance base. Also they are not as efficient compared to A320neo, A220-300 or MAX8.
@H 8 Exactly how Korean vehicles were dismissed forty years ago! See who's challenging the automobile industry now. Never underestimate the iron willpower of Asian tigers! The Chinese domestic market alone is bigger than Europe and the US, combined! And they will eventually include Russia in their customer base!
@@adstix Sorry, but Korean cars always had great reputation for a long time. They've been famous since late 90s and early 2000s. The reason why they are everywhere now is because they Increase their Production outputs in many countries and expand. BUT their reputation have always been great from the start. Their car are as good as Toyota and Honda. C919 isn't as good as MAX, Neo or A220. Don't compared the 2.
@@nntflow7058 Read his comment. He said "how Korean vehicles were dismissed forty years ago!". Korean & Japanese cars werent good, but became good and sought after over time. C919 has better success chance than Korean & Japanese cars simply due to China's market share & support. I am not saying it will dethrone the current duopoly, but it will definitely grab market share. All 3 have backlogs for few years.
That would be a dream. The TriStar was such a good plane but they bit the dust with that project. I don't think they'll try again bit i sincerely hope they do but they know how to innovate!
They probably won’t thanks to how disastrous the TriStar ended up unfortunately. With military contracts not drying up any time soon, there is no incentive to pivot to try and breakup the duopoly anyways.
The COMEC is probably gonna see moderate succes all over south east Asia. Besides Chinese carriers buying this relatively cheap plane I can see Indonesia and the Philippines buys lots of them (especially when some Chinese banks sweeten the deal with favorable loans) I mean it can’t be worse then the Max8 right
Indonesia and especially the Philippines are under military and economic harassment from China right now over competing territorial claims. Going to Chinese aircraft for parts gives China another thing to use against those countries as leverage, and since both Garuda Indonesia and Philippine Airlines are government-owned, that is definitely something they are keeping in mind.
@@GintaPPE1000 there are more then 1 airlines in both Indonesia and the Philippines. I can see Lion Air order a bunch of COMEC planes simply because they’re cheaper then the B737
It is more than just manufacturing jets, the main thing is customer support to airlines and Airbus took years to catch up Boeing here! The Chinese will never get there., just as the russians never did. The duopoly will not be broken any time soon.
Actually, Boeing took Bombardier to court, which made Bombardier to sell a majority stake in the C-Series program to Airbus, so it is really Boeing's fault.
Competitive prices? It's simply outrageous to expect customers to pay 300 million for a 777 or 340. If any other two companies offered such prices, customers would be livid about the excessive backlog of 4-7000 orders that would take over a decade to fulfill, assuming no additional orders were placed. If I were to place an order for an A340 or 777X, I wouldn't anticipate receiving it before 2030 at the earliest. Both Boeing and Airbus urgently need to construct additional facilities, and considering their financial resources, allocating 1 billion dollars shouldn't be a significant hurdle. My suggestion would be for Boeing to establish manufacturing sites in Texas, the Mid West, and the North East, while Airbus should consider building facilities in major countries like England, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Poland, and Italy. By doing so, Boeing could address their backlog of 4000 orders, and Airbus could catch up on its 7000 orders. If, for instance, there were 500 back orders and I placed my order for a 340/350 or 777/787, knowing that I might receive it in February of the following year when ordering in June, it wouldn't frustrate me as much. However, waiting for a decade to receive just 100 planes? It's utterly unacceptable. It would be more practical to purchase a 10 to 15-year-old wide-body Boeing or Airbus jet and update it to modern standards.
The 340 endeded production years ago. Airlines don't actually pay the list prices in a vast majority of cases. 40-60% discounts are the norm on orders of size.
You’re hilarious if you think $1 billion is even remotely enough to build more facilities. It would take tens of billions for that to occur and Airbus and Boeing would rather spend that money in R&D and designing future planes.
@@FlyByWire1 Future Planes that'll take a decade to deliver the first one. Yeah, they'd be better suited towards building aircraft that they know work than spending money on aircraft that may only give 15% Improvements. How about the catch up on those backorders before they fund R&D. They'd find themselves a whole bunch of cash if they delivered even 30% of their backorders.
@@swornthekillerintown because they have to balance their spending between building current orders and researching and developing for the future. Because if they fall behind in research because they’re so focused on increasing output, then they’d be at a disadvantage in 10 to 20 years when airlines are looking to replace the planes they spent all their money trying to build quickly. For someone who doesn’t even know the A340 isn’t in production, I think this topic is a bit too advanced for you.
@@FlyByWire1 The a340 isn't in production because Airbus failed on it. Secondly, I never said they were supposed to go all in on Production and just leave R&D hanging. But to spend billions on marginal improvements and then when you want to build a facility you push it on the tax papers rather than using a massive war chest worth of money they have.
I like the idea going into this channel but the Text-to-Speech/AI voiceover makes me feel uncomfortable. Please use a real voice next time. I'd rather hear your real voice even if you have a strong accent.
@@moekitsune Maybe I'm wrong, but can you point out any specific time stamp in the video where it sounds human? Something that proves it's human? Like something only a human would do? I didn't hear any point in the video where that happens.
That's because Airbus steals aircraft design and claims it to be there own when it in fact is a Bombardier and is currently outperforming the A319neo. I will always loathe Airbus especially taking credit for an aircraft they did not create.
are you slow or what? Airbus themselves said the Bombardier C series (now known as A220) is made in Canada, so how are you saying they steal design? Also it's Boeing fault because they protested the C series being too competetive, with dumping also applied, making C series get 300% tarriffs, leaving Airbus buying major stake of the C Series, making it A220
McDonnell Douglas was close in competing with Airbus and Boeing there MD-80 series were close rivals to the A-320 and the MD-11 was also a competitor to the 767 and A-350
If I recall, Japan has the potential and technology to build their own aircrafts, but since Boeing already outsourced much of their work to Japan, Japan didn’t bother building their own plane company.
110% correct.
Japan did try to enter and has the regional Mitsubishi SpaceJet which it failed miserably.
@@mxttyzw no, even before that. I am talking about decades ago.
@@sng1867your still wrong, Japan has built several aircraft post ww2 on their own.
@@zeitgeistx5239 that's the military side which is much easier, its irrelevant
It will likely be some significant innovation for any manufacturer to be a successful competitor to Airbus and Boeing. For COMAC of most would have a cost advantage but likely will have a geopolitical wall with the western countries.
The US didn't ban the sale of the CSeries,but it did slap a 300% tariff on the jet. Bombardier was in too much debt because of the cost overruns and asked both the provincial and federal governments to help. Provincial said yes, and Ottawa said no, because Not Ontario.
That's a ban.
Actually the ARJ21 is based off the DC-9 as during the 1980s there was like I dunno I think a tech trade between McDonnell Douglas and a Chinese Aerospace company and the predecessor to the ARJ21 are Chinese built DC-9s under license built
They are on monopolistic competition
Duopoly
Airbus and Boeing are not in a monopolistically competitive market, you are failing your alevels 💀
@@josephbell3399 He is referring to Chinese monopoly on C919.
In the future, Chinese owned airlines would be forced to use C919 exclusively.
@@nntflow7058 that is not happening. C919 would be far outdated by the time China develops enough infrastructure to satiate the demand of Chinese airlines.
@@nntflow7058 Chinese Airlines won't be forced to only operate the C919, they will be forced to operate exclusively COMAC aircraft, as the C919 can't be used for long haul flights.
Lockeed could have competed of they didn't focus on the TriStar or made new types after it ,mainly twinjet narrow and widebodies. This is because they have reasonable funds
An interesting proposal they wanted to try but couldn’t with the money lost on the Tristar was a quad with 2 engines on the main wings and 2 at the back
I have a theory that COMAC might really become a competitor since they can probably make some more affordable aircraft in a sense on how their previous manufacturing with other products made in their country, although it might be a complete knockoff with a few of their own touches.
All I know is if I'm booking a ticket and it says operated by a COMAC or similar, I'm not hitting "buy". Chinese copy cars have...great safety standards, I can only imagine how good their planes are.
The only way there will ever be competition to boeing and Airbus is if a company expresses a desire to make a plane that airlines really want, but neither of those companies will make. Because of this there is a possibility that boom aerospace will enter the market soon because they are the only ones planning on making a supesonic aircraft.
In English it should be the MS-21 as the "МС" is Cyrillic not Latin.
Be interesting to know if the Russians are planning on getting the MC21 certified outside of Russia. Doubt they have enough of a domestic market to make it commercially viable.
They got no russian made engines and parts to make it 100% yet.
If there military aircraft are anything to go off. (Underpowered and inefficient) there is no market for it.
@@nntflow7058
PD-14 mate
@@TheDrono When are they gonna start flying?
@@nntflow7058
Bro… certification is going full steam ahead. Here a video of the first flight with PD-14 engines back in 2020:
th-cam.com/video/I8ezQShBKsU/w-d-xo.html
It's really about just how expensive and complicated it is to develop and produce aircraft. That type of industry always has few competitors because the market cannot support many players and each survive. Classic high development and fixed cost industry.
Bombardier had completed it's research and made an really good plane.
Then Boeing just made sure they couldn't sell them using their influence in the US government.
Karma happened when airbus took over Bombardier and kept the production in place.
@@barneyklingenberg4078 And Bombardier has now all but quit aviation after years of loses
If Comac's jets are cheaper, then maybe some smaller airlines scoop up the 929 to gain entry into the wide body market-but legacy and the big Middle Eastern and African airlines won't be phased and most low/lower cost carriers already have their heart set on a specific jet-not saying a new low-cost airline outside of China could pick the 919, they probably would have a larger curve to overcome from all angles (Industry people, AvGeeks or somehow mass transit adjacent types, and General Public)
I can see a market for COMAC if the Chinese gov subsidize the sell of this jets to nations/airlines struggling to access newer and more expensive planes.
Hello, could you please also make an episode about drones or drone delivery company
Wendover Productions has made a video about itl
I would like to see COMAC, CRAIC, and Irkut grow, but feel they may not grow to the size of Boeing and Airbus. I can see them getting orders from several international airlines (like Indonesia’s Transnusa with the ARJ-21), but feel they may only get to the size of Bombardier and Embraer.
Actually, 49% of Transnusa is owned by China Everbright Group. Hence why they order the ARJ-21.
CRAIC is a joint venture between COMAC and UAC (Irkut).
Sukhoi Superjet. For those who dare.
Spare parts availability alone is enough to kill it.
China has a realistic chance of giving some competition to Boeing and Airbus, given it own large domestic market. Also, it can easily put barriers to Airbus and Boeing in China, if EU and US decide to create hurdles for it's COMAC certification. China is a market both Airbus and Boeing cannot afford to lose, and China can actually call some shots here.
No it doesn't. Not for at least another decade or four.
If Boeing or Airbus can secure India, then they don't need China.
That would be shooting themselves in the foot because Comac relies upon many technologies from western companies to build their planes. Including the engines and most of the integrated circuits powering the fly by wire tech of the plane.
All those back orders but Russians couldn't sell any planes even before the war.
As someone else mentioned the support infrastructure is a big reason for Airbus/Boeing dominance.
Given the reputation of Chinese made products I don't see COMAC ever being able to compete outside of Asia.
I think UAC has a shot, once the fighting in Ukraine is over atleast. Simply because it's backed by some experienced manufacturers. Time will tell
I think they could take the African market as they have close ties with African countries
@Dedar Ahmed financially yes, but Boeing and Airbus have a reputation that the flying public loves. UAC, although new, comes from a combination of older soviet manufacturers that some of the African flying public likely have nostalgic fondness for. I honestly don't think China has the chance to break out of southeast Asia for a long time
_"Given the reputation of Chinese made products...."_
Having a homegrown aircraft manufacturer is a matter of national pride, and that's something a national government is keen about. That's why in the Bombardier v Boeing matter of the CSeries sale to Delta, both Canadian and US governments were embroiled in a mini trade war with new taxes and levies for certain aeronautical products across board.
Having established the shallow pride of having a domestic plane maker, it is of the Chinese government interests to make sure the Comac is a safety success. And if they make and sell like a thousand planes domestically that stick their landings, and those planes are priced reasonably well, it is not outside the realm of possibility that low-cost airlines _globally_ would take an interest. The US may not like or buy the plane, but the rest of the world doesn't care about that. And if EASA certifies the plane , then quite literally the sky is the limit for the newcomer.
@@bigz4302Who knows, Maybe in time China will get really good at making planes. For instance, China has excelled in various tech fields.
@jatwangismyname900 that's a maybe in the far future, besides, people already view Chinese made products as inferior. (Due to the perception of communist made goods)
I'm watching this Aviation Video Topic on Airbus and Boeing with no Competition at least not yet but stay tuned and findout next Awesome Video!!!!
the vodka burner is rolling :D
Let’s be real here, Chinese airlines have no choice but to buy Comac planes despite them being worse. They probably do get a sweet discount though making the plane more economically viable, and because of the Chinese governments stakes in Comac. Literally most orders for the planes come from Chinese banks/leasing companies. Out of the known orders, 8 out of 23 customers are Airlines with 95 orders with 488 orders coming from Chinese lessors and banks basically
Couldn't Russia get planes from Embraer? I thought the Brazilian government was rather friendly with Russia?
isnt russia's current government left leaning ? actually they are more then left leaning lmao why tf are they friendly with a state such as russia
Embraer jetliners are outfitted with American engines. Obviously the US would never grant an export licence for those if the planes were sold to Russia.
@@ricahrdb Hah it never ocurred to me that parts are US. That actually explaines everything. Thanks :)
No sanction yes. Friendly with Russia? No.
There are only 2 because there were only 2 big economic centers until the reemergence of China.
Designing planes is hard but not impossible, fighting for market share on another company’s home turf is way harder. Brazil, Japan, Canada ,post-Soviet Russia all failed because they don’t have a big enough home market
COMAC can do well domestically maybe, internationally, there is zero chance.
Airbus is number 1!
how?
@@nickolliver3021 By sales last years.
@@ruzicas.5819 its not about sales
China and Russia making an exact copy of the Dreamliner
What is this airplane? 1:23
Keep a close eye on the Chinese C919.
They just commenced domestic operations yesterday!
You can't be successful when you forced airlines to buy your aircraft. It would only work in China. In places like India, Brazil or Indonesia for example. It makes no sense to buy C919.
It's too expensive to maintain due to lack of spare parts and lack of competition in maintenance base. Also they are not as efficient compared to A320neo, A220-300 or MAX8.
Haha good one… keep on eye on C919… classic joke
@H 8 Exactly how Korean vehicles were dismissed forty years ago!
See who's challenging the automobile industry now.
Never underestimate the iron willpower of Asian tigers!
The Chinese domestic market alone is bigger than Europe and the US, combined!
And they will eventually include Russia in their customer base!
@@adstix Sorry, but Korean cars always had great reputation for a long time. They've been famous since late 90s and early 2000s. The reason why they are everywhere now is because they Increase their Production outputs in many countries and expand. BUT their reputation have always been great from the start.
Their car are as good as Toyota and Honda.
C919 isn't as good as MAX, Neo or A220.
Don't compared the 2.
@@nntflow7058 Read his comment. He said "how Korean vehicles were dismissed forty years ago!". Korean & Japanese cars werent good, but became good and sought after over time. C919 has better success chance than Korean & Japanese cars simply due to China's market share & support. I am not saying it will dethrone the current duopoly, but it will definitely grab market share. All 3 have backlogs for few years.
The 757 is the only Boeing jet I will ever fly on.
Lockheed Martin has everything to counter Boeing/Airbus. If they jumped in and made a 757 replacement, people would buy it.
That would be a dream. The TriStar was such a good plane but they bit the dust with that project.
I don't think they'll try again bit i sincerely hope they do but they know how to innovate!
They probably won’t thanks to how disastrous the TriStar ended up unfortunately. With military contracts not drying up any time soon, there is no incentive to pivot to try and breakup the duopoly anyways.
Would be nice to see the L1011 come back with 2 large engines be about same cross section as 777 or. 350 but I'm dreaming
Airbus have HUGE EU and UK subsidies ... And Boeing gets many tax breaks
Isn’t Mitsubishi wanting to get in the regional market?
They completely shut down the program and closed the commercial aviation subsidiary of Mitsubishi.
The COMEC is probably gonna see moderate succes all over south east Asia. Besides Chinese carriers buying this relatively cheap plane I can see Indonesia and the Philippines buys lots of them (especially when some Chinese banks sweeten the deal with favorable loans) I mean it can’t be worse then the Max8 right
Indonesia and especially the Philippines are under military and economic harassment from China right now over competing territorial claims. Going to Chinese aircraft for parts gives China another thing to use against those countries as leverage, and since both Garuda Indonesia and Philippine Airlines are government-owned, that is definitely something they are keeping in mind.
@@GintaPPE1000 there are more then 1 airlines in both Indonesia and the Philippines. I can see Lion Air order a bunch of COMEC planes simply because they’re cheaper then the B737
It is more than just manufacturing jets, the main thing is customer support to airlines and Airbus took years to catch up Boeing here! The Chinese will never get there., just as the russians never did. The duopoly will not be broken any time soon.
I take the MC21 anytime over any Boeing
BOEING 💥
You’ll be a test passenger. 😂
@@forbeginnersandbeyond6089 Gladly
Boeing would've been solid should it haven't had the tendency to go BOEING 💥
Because Boeing and Airbus are competitors against each other
Still, Airbus, you’re the reason bombardier didn’t have a chance to win! Also I love JetBlue e190s
Actually, Boeing took Bombardier to court, which made Bombardier to sell a majority stake in the C-Series program to Airbus, so it is really Boeing's fault.
@@heidirabenau511 as an Airbus fan I find that a dub
Comac should be the third in the duopoly [or, in this case, the *triopoly* !!]
My favourite narrowbody aircraft’s:
1. 737 MAX 10
2.A320neo
3.737 MAX 7
Have you flown on the 737 Max 10?
@@ameerali.ouarda nobody has. But that doesn’t mean it can’t be his favorite. He probably is basing his opinion on the looks of the plane.
you mean: 'why Airbus has no competition'?
And consumer trust
You mean why Airbus has no compétition ?
I think Boeing and Airbus are the best in the market and don't have any competitor so I think this about the two jet companies
Should be titled why Airbus have no competition. Love Boeing jets but they are stagnant
Can't we just bring back the Convair 880 i don't care about all the black smoke
Will Embraer [if that’s how they spell it] give wide-body a stab one day? Aren’t they Brazilian? 🇧🇷
That’s how it spelt and yes they are Brazilian. They currently don’t earn enough to build widebodies as much as I want to see them try it
No
They could build larger narrowbodies though maybe?
Provide some competition for the A220
@@Rasscasse they said they want to build something to match the 737/a320 market.
I hope they do. The more competition the better
If it could be done musk would have tried. Space x has trampled Boeing
I just love the 737 max 7
Even after what happened to it?
@@mizukihattori9716 the crashes happend to the max 8
@@simplymrklmYT because the max 7 wasn’t in service at the time
@@vaultdweller2287 yea no shit it isn't now either im not dumb
You don't love your life
Governments allowing mergers
The gravy train for Boeing and Airbus may be coming to end by the Chinese manufacturer.
Maybe for the Chinese market only
Not any time soon.
Definitely not and definitely never will.
Competitive prices? It's simply outrageous to expect customers to pay 300 million for a 777 or 340. If any other two companies offered such prices, customers would be livid about the excessive backlog of 4-7000 orders that would take over a decade to fulfill, assuming no additional orders were placed. If I were to place an order for an A340 or 777X, I wouldn't anticipate receiving it before 2030 at the earliest. Both Boeing and Airbus urgently need to construct additional facilities, and considering their financial resources, allocating 1 billion dollars shouldn't be a significant hurdle. My suggestion would be for Boeing to establish manufacturing sites in Texas, the Mid West, and the North East, while Airbus should consider building facilities in major countries like England, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Poland, and Italy. By doing so, Boeing could address their backlog of 4000 orders, and Airbus could catch up on its 7000 orders. If, for instance, there were 500 back orders and I placed my order for a 340/350 or 777/787, knowing that I might receive it in February of the following year when ordering in June, it wouldn't frustrate me as much. However, waiting for a decade to receive just 100 planes? It's utterly unacceptable. It would be more practical to purchase a 10 to 15-year-old wide-body Boeing or Airbus jet and update it to modern standards.
The 340 endeded production years ago. Airlines don't actually pay the list prices in a vast majority of cases. 40-60% discounts are the norm on orders of size.
You’re hilarious if you think $1 billion is even remotely enough to build more facilities. It would take tens of billions for that to occur and Airbus and Boeing would rather spend that money in R&D and designing future planes.
@@FlyByWire1 Future Planes that'll take a decade to deliver the first one. Yeah, they'd be better suited towards building aircraft that they know work than spending money on aircraft that may only give 15% Improvements. How about the catch up on those backorders before they fund R&D. They'd find themselves a whole bunch of cash if they delivered even 30% of their backorders.
@@swornthekillerintown because they have to balance their spending between building current orders and researching and developing for the future. Because if they fall behind in research because they’re so focused on increasing output, then they’d be at a disadvantage in 10 to 20 years when airlines are looking to replace the planes they spent all their money trying to build quickly. For someone who doesn’t even know the A340 isn’t in production, I think this topic is a bit too advanced for you.
@@FlyByWire1 The a340 isn't in production because Airbus failed on it. Secondly, I never said they were supposed to go all in on Production and just leave R&D hanging. But to spend billions on marginal improvements and then when you want to build a facility you push it on the tax papers rather than using a massive war chest worth of money they have.
Android: Airbus
iOS: Boeing
Bruh, the Comac C919 has 1000 orders from Eastern Airlines that is only domestic do you still thing you have hegemony in this????? 😂 what a joker
Because Boeing annihilates
I like the idea going into this channel but the Text-to-Speech/AI voiceover makes me feel uncomfortable. Please use a real voice next time. I'd rather hear your real voice even if you have a strong accent.
This video doesn't sound like it has AI voice
@@moekitsune Maybe I'm wrong, but can you point out any specific time stamp in the video where it sounds human? Something that proves it's human? Like something only a human would do? I didn't hear any point in the video where that happens.
Boeing deserves all what's happening to them
why
Yes. Boeing deserves more aircrafts order from airlines. Their planes are reliable, comfortable, and economic performance is top notch.
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US based airlines should be encouraged to purchase Boeing jets.
That's because Airbus steals aircraft design and claims it to be there own when it in fact is a Bombardier and is currently outperforming the A319neo. I will always loathe Airbus especially taking credit for an aircraft they did not create.
are you slow or what? Airbus themselves said the Bombardier C series (now known as A220) is made in Canada, so how are you saying they steal design?
Also it's Boeing fault because they protested the C series being too competetive, with dumping also applied, making C series get 300% tarriffs, leaving Airbus buying major stake of the C Series, making it A220
The 757 is the only Boeing jet I will ever fly on.