the act which made Semiramis qualify as an assassin, use of poison delivered via wine, was also something she didn't need to be TOO stealthy about because she was killing in what was then a novel means which nobody had ever considered before and so she forever changed the game by making the concept of the "food taster" an invention of necessity which is still used to this day.
Reminder that mata Hari might be the most useless but at the same time useful assassin. Firstly she doesn't have presence concealment, you know the thing that every assassin has, but in return she has espionage at high ranking. That means she can't hide at all but also can't be recognized as a threat by others. Meaning detection magecraft rarely works on her, Making her the best at scouting and gathering info. The problem is that she herself doesn't have any combat skill besides pocket sanding and charming the opponents. Meaning if you summoned her in a holy grail war you would have to fight while she supports you.
then her best Masters would be Souichiro Kuzuki, Kirei Kotomine and Kiristugu, for everyone asking about Ristuka he gets stronger later the poor boy was a wet noodle pre-Babylonia singularity 🤣🤣😂
Playing RP with a friend. His irish mage literally summoning Cú Chulainn because he was his number one fan and wanted to throw hands with him, only got in the war because *no human* could withstand a punch of his without blowing up until he punch Cú and just knock him out cold for a couple of seconds before Cu get back up and stop understanding him.
I think Kiichi Hogen's assassin class is more due to her Tengu origin, which are creatures that live hidden, than her event storyline... Even though your reasoning does sound logic.
3:11 also fits because that's a executioner's sword. A sword made specifically for (you guess it). Since sometimes the executioner missed the neck, leaving to horrifying moments both for the the people watching and the victim. Then they decided to make a sword since it would be easier to have a clean decapitation with it. Also adding weight to the tip to help with the swing. Funny enough this is basically a portable guillotine.
it's not really one, if you decide to look up actual execution blades. the blade is wider than a typical sword blade so as to assist in decapitation, and the tip simply does not exist, since the job typically doesn't demand for one. it's like a butcher knife.
You could have mentioned Tezcalipolca too as his reasons for being assassin is weird. He even admitted he should’ve been summoned as a berserker instead because of his association with death and King Hassan relinquishing his role as Grand Assassin, it fell onto him.
I'm surprised you forgot to mention Cleopatra, her attacks are too flashy for an Assassin. And yet she's in that class because she off'd people during her reign as Pharaoh. What's even wild is her Presence Concealment is ranked at B given no one back then would suspect her of murdering people at the time and these days she dresses in more modern clothing to hide she's a Servant.
Assassin's Master in a Holy Grail War : i would like you to assasinate the enemy masters. Quickly, no witness, and it must be so fast that their servant have no idea whats going on before realizing their master's death... I will be the one distracting the servant. Can you do it? Assassin : of course my master. I will not dissapoint you *1 hour later The assassin summons a freaking castle just to kill a single master.
I think Semiramis being an Assassin also makes sense considering that being a queen, she could assassinate someone and no one would blink an eye. Think about how Kings, Queens, Emperors/Empresses, and people in power have erased people from history for various reasons. Purposely making their stories lost to the annals of time. Like how Stalin would kill someone, then modify photos to make it seem like they never existed/were there to begin with. Or kill them in broad daylight with everyone knowing what happened but pretending to not know or see anything. Semiramis could order her men to capture a guy in broad daylight, kill him, and erase his existence. People would know who killed him, but look the other way since she’s queen. Assassination simply done in a different way compared to cloak and dagger in the dead of night.
On the changing classes thing for Jekyll. He is actually not unique on that end. Kintoki can canonically switch between Berserker and Riser at will as shown in Solomon, Bhima and Duryodhana can change their classes with sheer willpower too (although the whole point of that chapter is that Alter Ego is a condition/concept rather than an actual Class) and, of course, Gods can switch Classes by changing aspects. Recently there is also Tutankhamun whose Class changes based on which other higher beings he fuses with through his NP, such as being an Archer from fusing with Apollo rather than a Caster as it should naturally be. Dantès also has a NP that makes other Servants into Avengers and etc etc.
I feel like Semiramis qualifies because of her methods (chains and poison) and she can be considered stealthy even with the big magic garden... because no one can report the crime if you leave no witnesses :p
Assassin as a class is a support class that specializes in non-conventional or underhanded killing, a notable exception to this is The First Hassan who despite being the *first* Assassin, is relatively forthcoming in his work of murdering you as a result of being quite literally the Fate universe’s grim reaper.
I like to think that there are servants that even tho are certain classes for an ingame valid reason, lorewise could never possibly happen unless some world ending event happened. For example Medusa Lancer, true she has a special scythe that can kill gods but, she was never a fighter specially before she was even cursed by the gods to become Gorgon hence why the Saber one did made a bit of sense since she summons the power of Crysaor (the father of monsters of greek mythos) just like the Rider summons the most renowed Pegasus Bellephone yet she never actually used weapons like that except a bow and arrow so the lancer is something like an agent of the counter force, just like Emiya in FSN, Lancer in FSF, Jeanne in Fate/apocrypha and Sakamoto Ryouma in Fate/type redline she was summoned there in that specific state of life to stop something for happening or to ensure it happens, with that in mind i can conclude Hogen is an Assassin bcs she was there to kill Taiga No Kagekiyo from destroying the Genji and Ushiwakamaru spirit origin from being permanently damaged making her an Avenger forever basically forcing a permanent change in her history. Tho the second reason is because Scathach was alreqdy the main Quick lancer and they made sure to tell us Hogen is an Assassin because Scathach is a Lancer so they couldn't make another one let alone a lancer since for the past 3 events before little tengu event all wellfares were Lancers, Consort Yu summer, Erice and if i'm not wrong Kagetora so too many Lancers forced them to change her into an Assassin wich wqsn't so far off since Tengu are known for being silent and killers most times alongside Hogen past as kurama tengu
A bit out of topic. There's only one, or more exactly one organization, assassin who are "loud" instead of quiet and deadly. In Warhammer 40K, there's one group of assassin who instead going sneaky they go from above and deliver brutality to send a "message" for anyone who dare to oppose the emperor. That's the only one assassin that is way different than other assassins.
The etymology of the word “Assassin” is literally from “Hashashin” which means “eater of Hashish” which the old men of the mountain were known for using in order to calm themselves during assassinations.
FGO original servants must be made "flashier" since they were promoted as poster servants, yet here they are now, nobody remembers. I'm disappointed with Darius, Mephisto, and Jekyll being left in the dust. Esp., Jekyll. He can be recreated as an Alterego with different NP you know.
Semiramis is not summoned in both classes Her skill makes it so she gains the abilities of both classes she is still only 1 class And no her stats are not effected by any "mix of classes" Her stats are low because shes weak She was literally the average woman whose only known for using poison and is not particularly famous Idk why you would expect her agility to be high
Queen of Assyria, the oldest poisoner in history. From her lore, no one would expect her to be agile, lol. She’s not a trained killer, nor is she part of any organization. I’m just pointing out that her fighting style is caster-like, her abilities are caster-like, and even her Noble Phantasm is caster-like. It really makes you wonder why she’s even in the Assassin class. That’s why I included her here-she’s definitely weird among Assassins.
@mr.skeptic than why would you imply it has anything to do with her skill? because you couldn't have 3 casters in apocrypha And the whole point of her is that due to her skill she has the fighting style abilities and NPs of both her assassin self and her caster self If you wonder why shes an assassin than you just didn't read the story
Ahhh, the stats. Yeah, maybe. i mean, seeing almost all her traits are so caster-like, people can’t help but get the impression that she’s really a Caster hiding under the guise of an Assassin. or... maybe just me lmao
If you catch some of the "off" words or "chill," ignore them-it's just censorship, lmao.
the act which made Semiramis qualify as an assassin, use of poison delivered via wine, was also something she didn't need to be TOO stealthy about because she was killing in what was then a novel means which nobody had ever considered before and so she forever changed the game by making the concept of the "food taster" an invention of necessity which is still used to this day.
And orders orbital strikes
Reminder that mata Hari might be the most useless but at the same time useful assassin.
Firstly she doesn't have presence concealment, you know the thing that every assassin has, but in return she has espionage at high ranking. That means she can't hide at all but also can't be recognized as a threat by others. Meaning detection magecraft rarely works on her, Making her the best at scouting and gathering info.
The problem is that she herself doesn't have any combat skill besides pocket sanding and charming the opponents. Meaning if you summoned her in a holy grail war you would have to fight while she supports you.
The other option is looking for an alliance and then backstab them after winning
then her best Masters would be Souichiro Kuzuki, Kirei Kotomine and Kiristugu, for everyone asking about Ristuka he gets stronger later the poor boy was a wet noodle pre-Babylonia singularity 🤣🤣😂
Playing RP with a friend. His irish mage literally summoning Cú Chulainn because he was his number one fan and wanted to throw hands with him, only got in the war because *no human* could withstand a punch of his without blowing up until he punch Cú and just knock him out cold for a couple of seconds before Cu get back up and stop understanding him.
No she would still be fighting regardless
Because its impossible for a master to fight a servant without special conditions
I think Kiichi Hogen's assassin class is more due to her Tengu origin, which are creatures that live hidden, than her event storyline... Even though your reasoning does sound logic.
yeah, also, in some cases, it's say that the tengu "dispose" of those who see them
3:11 also fits because that's a executioner's sword.
A sword made specifically for (you guess it). Since sometimes the executioner missed the neck, leaving to horrifying moments both for the the people watching and the victim. Then they decided to make a sword since it would be easier to have a clean decapitation with it. Also adding weight to the tip to help with the swing. Funny enough this is basically a portable guillotine.
it's not really one, if you decide to look up actual execution blades. the blade is wider than a typical sword blade so as to assist in decapitation, and the tip simply does not exist, since the job typically doesn't demand for one. it's like a butcher knife.
You could have mentioned Tezcalipolca too as his reasons for being assassin is weird. He even admitted he should’ve been summoned as a berserker instead because of his association with death and King Hassan relinquishing his role as Grand Assassin, it fell onto him.
That's JP content
@ not for long
I guess no person would better suited as a Assassin then a God Of Death, honestly... Like, what he certainly has the most is means to kill someone.
@@ilucaszHe actually doesn’t qualify for Assassin under normal circumstances (aka Hassan not sacrificing his qualification for Grand Servant)
I'm surprised you forgot to mention Cleopatra, her attacks are too flashy for an Assassin.
And yet she's in that class because she off'd people during her reign as Pharaoh. What's even wild is her Presence Concealment is ranked at B given no one back then would suspect her of murdering people at the time and these days she dresses in more modern clothing to hide she's a Servant.
She also as a famous story where she smuggled herself to Julius Caesar wrapped up in a rug, so she does have some experience there.
Assassin's Master in a Holy Grail War : i would like you to assasinate the enemy masters. Quickly, no witness, and it must be so fast that their servant have no idea whats going on before realizing their master's death... I will be the one distracting the servant. Can you do it?
Assassin : of course my master. I will not dissapoint you
*1 hour later
The assassin summons a freaking castle just to kill a single master.
And the servant as well...
Master: 😅
if it works it works....can´t really argue against results
I think Semiramis being an Assassin also makes sense considering that being a queen, she could assassinate someone and no one would blink an eye.
Think about how Kings, Queens, Emperors/Empresses, and people in power have erased people from history for various reasons. Purposely making their stories lost to the annals of time.
Like how Stalin would kill someone, then modify photos to make it seem like they never existed/were there to begin with.
Or kill them in broad daylight with everyone knowing what happened but pretending to not know or see anything.
Semiramis could order her men to capture a guy in broad daylight, kill him, and erase his existence. People would know who killed him, but look the other way since she’s queen.
Assassination simply done in a different way compared to cloak and dagger in the dead of night.
On the changing classes thing for Jekyll. He is actually not unique on that end. Kintoki can canonically switch between Berserker and Riser at will as shown in Solomon, Bhima and Duryodhana can change their classes with sheer willpower too (although the whole point of that chapter is that Alter Ego is a condition/concept rather than an actual Class) and, of course, Gods can switch Classes by changing aspects. Recently there is also Tutankhamun whose Class changes based on which other higher beings he fuses with through his NP, such as being an Archer from fusing with Apollo rather than a Caster as it should naturally be. Dantès also has a NP that makes other Servants into Avengers and etc etc.
Would 'Assassin of Learning with Manga' 's cross-dressing count as Prescence Concealment?
Funnily enough, it’s no longer crossdressing as a servant, His crossdressing habit fully turned him into a woman
I feel like Semiramis qualifies because of her methods (chains and poison) and she can be considered stealthy even with the big magic garden... because no one can report the crime if you leave no witnesses :p
I smell 5* summer lancer kiichi hogan in the near future lol
Assassin as a class is a support class that specializes in non-conventional or underhanded killing, a notable exception to this is The First Hassan who despite being the *first* Assassin, is relatively forthcoming in his work of murdering you as a result of being quite literally the Fate universe’s grim reaper.
Semiramis has access to familiars, so she can still act as an assassin through them.
Every Assassin has a technik that kills most people with a one Hit
Idk if Assassins have a natural advantage over Riders in lore? I thought that was just FGO game mechanics
Yea pretty much. But it would be fun if we think about it that way.
Damn now need a link to that picture of kichi punishing ushi 😂
Any martial artist can become an assassin.
"any attack can be No Second Strike so long as you hit hard enough with the first strike" -- Li Shuwen (probably)
I like to think that there are servants that even tho are certain classes for an ingame valid reason, lorewise could never possibly happen unless some world ending event happened.
For example Medusa Lancer, true she has a special scythe that can kill gods but, she was never a fighter specially before she was even cursed by the gods to become Gorgon hence why the Saber one did made a bit of sense since she summons the power of Crysaor (the father of monsters of greek mythos) just like the Rider summons the most renowed Pegasus Bellephone yet she never actually used weapons like that except a bow and arrow so the lancer is something like an agent of the counter force, just like Emiya in FSN, Lancer in FSF, Jeanne in Fate/apocrypha and Sakamoto Ryouma in Fate/type redline she was summoned there in that specific state of life to stop something for happening or to ensure it happens, with that in mind i can conclude Hogen is an Assassin bcs she was there to kill Taiga No Kagekiyo from destroying the Genji and Ushiwakamaru spirit origin from being permanently damaged making her an Avenger forever basically forcing a permanent change in her history. Tho the second reason is because Scathach was alreqdy the main Quick lancer and they made sure to tell us Hogen is an Assassin because Scathach is a Lancer so they couldn't make another one let alone a lancer since for the past 3 events before little tengu event all wellfares were Lancers, Consort Yu summer, Erice and if i'm not wrong Kagetora so too many Lancers forced them to change her into an Assassin wich wqsn't so far off since Tengu are known for being silent and killers most times alongside Hogen past as kurama tengu
A bit out of topic. There's only one, or more exactly one organization, assassin who are "loud" instead of quiet and deadly. In Warhammer 40K, there's one group of assassin who instead going sneaky they go from above and deliver brutality to send a "message" for anyone who dare to oppose the emperor.
That's the only one assassin that is way different than other assassins.
The term Hassan meant”Silent,Deadly and Stealthy as the Grave itself”.
The etymology of the word “Assassin” is literally from “Hashashin” which means “eater of Hashish” which the old men of the mountain were known for using in order to calm themselves during assassinations.
FGO original servants must be made "flashier" since they were promoted as poster servants, yet here they are now, nobody remembers. I'm disappointed with Darius, Mephisto, and Jekyll being left in the dust. Esp., Jekyll. He can be recreated as an Alterego with different NP you know.
my favorite part of Kiichi Hogen is the fact that she wants to marry Scathach
I missed that part, but that is now my OTP.
Sorry Kichi! Scathach is my wife.
I love your content! Keep it up mate!
That thumbnail looks like it came from a suspicious source
It does. Check the source lmao
@ i looked and its not as suspicious as i thought it would have cane from
Also aren’t tengu like really skilled and disciplined warriors so I can still see the assassin trait
I think Kazuradrop can change her class too, no?
Nice video skeptic, but I miss my beloved Stheno😢
More thumbnails that you got from pixiv, love that artist
And out of curiosity, is there an explanation for why Summer Scathach is an assassin class?
Cause shishou is famous for changing spirit origin. Lol
Uh... Sui Feng school of assassination? If... Nobody... Is around it's still... Uh, stealthy?
เท่าที่ผมเข้าใจ คลาสแอสแซตซินในเฟทเหมือนจะอ้างอิงตามประวัติหรือข้อมูลประกอบตัวละครส่วนใหญ่น่ะ ถ้าไม่ใช่คนที่เคยฆ่าคน ทำให้คนตาย สิ่งที่ทำให้คนตาย(หรือไม่ก็ฆ่าตัวเองแบบโอคิตะโซวจิเจ็ท) นักฆ่า-มือสังหารสายตรง ก็จะเป็นพวกที่มีความเกี่ยวข้องกับ"ความตาย"หรือไกล้ชิดกับสิ่งที่ว่าน่ะ , อย่างแซนซั่นที่เป็นทั้งหมอทั้งเพชฌฆาต(ตายก็ตายกับกิโยตินที่ตัวเองคิดค้นขึ้นมา)ก็เลยถูกเอามาเป็นแอสแซตซินล่ะมังนะ(สมัยก่อนพวกหมอตามเมืองก็รับใช้เจ้าเมืองน่ะล่ะแล้วด้วยการรับงานเพชฌฆาตเพิ่มเพื่อหนุนวิชาแพทย์คงเป็นของคู่กันในเวลานั้นล่ะมังนะ) ส่วนสาวน้อยแจ็กถึงจะมาจากเรื่องราวของแจ็กเดอะริปเปอร์ แต่ในเฟทยูนิเวิสเหมือจะเป็นโฮมูนครูสที่ถูกสร้างขึ้นมาน่ะ(เนื้อเรื่องในช่วงบท1ส่วนใหญ่จะไปทางแนวจุดขายแบบไทป์มูนล่ะนะ พอยกระดับตลาดก็ปรับให้เป็นเอดูเคชั่นพาโรดี้มากขึ้นเลยเหมือนปรับจากเรท18เป็นเรท15ในตัวเองน่ะนะ ส่วนตัวแล้วผมชอบบทกับการพากย์เสียงของสาวฯแจ็กก่อนถูกเปลี่ยนมากกว่าล่ะนะ แต่การเปลี่ยนบทและเสียงพากย์ก็เลยทำให้จุดขายของไทป์มูนที่ตกค้างอยู่ในตัวละครซอฟลงด้วยตามการปรับเรทเพื่อความเหมาะสมล่ะมังนะ) ส่วนเซมิรามิสนี่ผมไม่รู้ว่าทำไมถึงเอามาเป็นแอสแซตซินล่ะนะ เลยคิดว่าคงเอามาเป็นตามคลาสในกรณีที่คลาสเซอร์วานส์ไม่ครบน่ะ(เหมือนกีฬาที่เล่นเป็นทีมแต่คนไม่ครบทีมแบบนั้นแหละ)เลยเหมือนเอาทั้งจักรวาลอโพคาลิฟามาขายในเกมเลยล่ะมังนะ แต่ก็ไม่แน่ว่าจะแค่เอามาประกอบลักษณะนิสัยแบบนางร้ายซึนๆที่มีเดเระหน่อยๆให้ชื้นใจอะไรแบบนั้นล่ะมังนะ(แบบทำให้เข้ากับคลาสแอสแซตซินน่ะ) เลยเหมือนเป็นคนละขั้วกับอุรีทราแบบเหมือนทั้ง2จะเป็นเพื่อนกันได้ยังไงก็ไม่รู้ล่ะนะ ส่วนเฮนรี่เจกคิลน์แอนไฮด์นี่มาจานิยายตรงๆเลยน่ะ เป็นตัวสนองความต้องการคนทำเกมตรงๆของคนแต่งเรื่องเลยน่ะนะ(ก็เป็นพาโรดี้บนแรงบันดาลใจของคนแต่งเรื่องเลยล่ะ) ส่วนคิอิจิโฮวเก็นนี่คงเป็นการตลาดน่ะ(ขายของน่ะล่ะนะ)จะเรียกว่าสัญนิษฐานได้ถูกก็ได้น่ะ ส่วนการที่เป็นเป็นคลาสแอสแซตซินนี่ก็เพราะกำหนดให้เป็นผู้หญิงน่ะ(เพราะถ้าเป็นแล้นเซอร์ก็คงจะเป็นผู้ชายล่ะนะ)เทนกุเองก็เป็นนักพรตที่ธุดงในป่า สมัยก่อนยุคเมืองกลืนป่า สัตว์ร้ายก็เยอะล่ะนะ อาวุธสำหรับป้องกันตัวหรือล่าก็คงจำเป็นต้องมีน่ะ(แต่คิอิจิเซ็นเซนี่ไปทางปราบผีปราปปีศาจมากกว่าน่ะนะ เลยเป็นแอสแซตซินน่ะ) .
Hang on, I recognize the art for the thumbnail.
Why is Kama an Assassin?
Seku-Senpai plays Umineko playlist
Ngl your channel is goated. Very good fate content.
Any chance you can expand upon the Masadaverse or Toaru verse?
It fine
Well, at least Assassins still assassinate people. Wanna talk about how the Archer class is a lie?
i did that already, lol. check my other video for archer class
@mr.skeptic Going for that right now, sir!
Semiramis is not summoned in both classes
Her skill makes it so she gains the abilities of both classes she is still only 1 class
And no her stats are not effected by any "mix of classes"
Her stats are low because shes weak
She was literally the average woman whose only known for using poison and is not particularly famous
Idk why you would expect her agility to be high
Queen of Assyria, the oldest poisoner in history. From her lore, no one would expect her to be agile, lol. She’s not a trained killer, nor is she part of any organization. I’m just pointing out that her fighting style is caster-like, her abilities are caster-like, and even her Noble Phantasm is caster-like. It really makes you wonder why she’s even in the Assassin class. That’s why I included her here-she’s definitely weird among Assassins.
@mr.skeptic than why would you imply it has anything to do with her skill?
because you couldn't have 3 casters in apocrypha
And the whole point of her is that due to her skill she has the fighting style abilities and NPs of both her assassin self and her caster self
If you wonder why shes an assassin than you just didn't read the story
It does have something to do with her skill, right? Like Territory Creation?
@@mr.skeptic i was refering to the agility part
In the video you said because of her skill that her agility is low but that is not the case
Ahhh, the stats. Yeah, maybe. i mean, seeing almost all her traits are so caster-like, people can’t help but get the impression that she’s really a Caster hiding under the guise of an Assassin.
or... maybe just me lmao