i got a problem with the war games...
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With Bayley joining the WAR GAMES on #wweraw, Steve talks about his major issue with this year’s #SurvivorSeries
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I think turning Bayley heel would be wrong its not even 8 months since she turned face after 4 years as a heel
I agree 100%
Agreed. I think the idea of Bayley turning would be a red herring, if anything. I get a feeling it'll be revealed to be Naomi behind attacking Jade.
I think Bayley is slowly turning into the hugger again
@ZachHighwind I think her current character is a bit of the Hugger with an edge... The Hugger could of lasted longer if when she is in a match she will do what needs to be done to win but outside of a match she is everyone's friend...
But she's so bland as a face, something needs to happen with bianca, Naomi and bayley
I think a lot of the wonk timing is, yes injuries for Rhea, Jade, and styles, but also a combination of the fact that they've been doing pre-taping to give the talent some weeks off for the Holidays AND that they're double booking for Survivor Series and Saturday Night's Main Event at the same time, and that probably caught up with them of trying to figure out "Okay, what have we set up? Of that what makes sense to do Saturday and what makes sense to do in 2 weeks? And where are we in each story on a given night?"
The New Day story is exponentially amazing because for 10 YEARS this team has never fought, never had issues and dominated tag wrestling. So now that they might break up it just feels monumental
Heel (and best) Bianca loading. Rhea in her face, half of damage control on her team and her friend who suggested it all sound like a heel turn soup
The booking for the Women's Wargames match has been badly affected by injuries. Rhea only came back from injury last week on Raw and they probably found out the seriousness of Jade's injury between that Raw and last Friday's Smackdown. Due to this week's Smackdown being pre-taped for Thanksgiving, they quickly had to write Jade off and add Bayley to the group (a natural fit considering she's been fighting the heel team anyway) while filling in the gaps the best they can on Raw last night. As for the match at Survivor Series, who knows. As for who attacked Jade, I hope they don't turn Bayley heel again so soon as she's only been back babyface for about five minutes after years as a heel. I'd rather it be a returning star like Charlotte or a shock like Naomi. But considering how long Jade might be out for, they've potentially got months to build up motivations and a solution that is interesting and makes sense.
The timing on these matches is wonky because they have to split it with Saturday Night Main Event.
I think turning Bayley heel would be wrong its not even 8 months since she turned face after 4 years as a heel ......
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I thought I would enjoy some ice cold sweet tea but a nice episode of good wrestle juice is always nice too haa
Jade was injured... so Bayley is a last-minute replacement. How are they supposed to book in advance for that?
I think he means Bayley should've been involved in the first place so they had something to build.
Content creation: Sometimes u just gotta say something
I agree with you Steve. As much as I'm feeling the new Nakamura gimmick, if I were Andrade and Carmelo I'd be upset. They had to prove themselves worthy of a match and Nakamura jumps Knight and gets a title shot?
Stop just stop Hayes is a mid carder and Andrade is a waste
@@AceHole90 tf is Nakamura then?
If they need 2 war games matches, then why wasn’t it final testament vs the wyatts?! It’s right there!!
Because it's 4 on 4 unless you want women in with the men. That should be an elimination tag. But also the men and women get one each.
The story with Gunther is that Cody drew first blood on the Ring General and it's caused him to lose a bit of confidence. Priest ties in because Gunther didn't beat Priest clean, and Priest DOES have confidence in the fact that he can beat Gunther all by himself now that Judgment Day is out of the way.
The Women's WarGames was totally mashed together. The only positive thing about it is that they dont have pressure storyline wise to just have a banger performance.
honestly, I felt Bayley belonged on the team even before Rhea joined, so I'm interested to see where this is going
As someone who’s going to survivor series I’m pretty excited now. All I wish was KO/Cody was on the show but I’m just happy I get to see punk and the bloodlines the same night
“They can’t seem to write anything for good guy Bayley” god, how far we’ve come from the full time hugger 😢
So I hear Steve’s point for sure about Raw & SD being like more fun shows since being 2 hours. But at the same time have we noticed how everyone is saying these storylines feel rushed at the same time that we switched back to 2 hours ?? Think that has a HUGE part in these storylines not being told in full.
I feel like the way a lot of stuff feels rushed and haphazardly thrown together for war games (especially on the women's side) kinda reaffirms why they were doing away with all the set, annual gimmick PPV/PLE's in the first place.
@1:40 that Sith Lord comment was great
Darth Nakamura ftw 😂😂
The issue is the war games also seem like overkill for this situation. You made me mad because you called me a name last week let's do war games!
0:28- I noticed Io is looking in the opposite direction.
Steve seems real sure that the og bloodline is gonna win. I wouldn't be shocked if the final boss made his stance clear with a surprise appearance to cost og bloodline the match
I feel like he’d only feel the need to appear if Bad Bloodline lost cuz Solo dropped the ball. But you’re definitely right, Rock is an X factor he could swing things either way!
Rock is probably busy filming live action Moana right now
No no no, I prefer Babyface Bayley.
I really really miss Bayley buddy era Bayley in 2016.
IO is turning face soon
Are you a pre teen girl?
@@kinnikuboneman I just think that was her at her best.
Also I preferred Becky during her Steampunk days in 2015/2016.
I don’t like what Becky and Bayley became, I preferred them both when they debuted on the main roster.
I also miss Rollins from that era as well, but that’s another story.
I want interesting characters I don't want cringe and boring
@@MckenzieMilord-s8g WWE right now are boring.
Bayley buddy era Bayley was an interesting character.
I’m like a Pavlovian dog; I miss the WrestleJuice sting whenever it’s not at the beginning of a video.
All I can say is I hope they have one hell of a segment planned on Smackdown for the women’s war games
I felt Bianca having some swagger to her in the backstage, I feel she will be the one who actually took Jade out, a bit of jealousy as jade seems to get more attention, which will be revealed once she takes Naomi out at wargames.
She was in the middle of a match
@tuckermcpeake5844 she took her out beforehand. Noone knows how long jade was there...
@ I respect that thought process my only rebuttal is that she then sacrificed her shot at the US title to check on her. Which to me wouldn’t make sense if we went down the jealousy path as she would want to seem better than Jade. I think when they decide to pull the trigger on a Bianca heel turn the motivation will and should have much more nuance. Besides I think Jade would serve better as a heel in a feud with Bianca.
@tuckermcpeake5844 fair enough mate, i can see where you are coming from, i honestly feel despite that she was in the tournament & could come out and say that tournament wasn't for her to win as she could say the title is below her and thats why she did what she did to jade, because tagging with her makes her like a babysitter & she needs to get back to the top where she belongs!
Whatever the storyline is i hope it's good and doesnt involve charlotte coming back to destroy them and go for the title straight away as per usual.
Should send that to stevie richards to analyse...that is insane
There was a piece of me that felt like the finals for the Continental Classic was going to be Okada/Ospreay... But after Full Gear, my gut is telling me that it will be Fletcher/Ospreay.
Bring back Steve reacting to bumps!
9:50 They should call it the Inter-Continental Championship. Boom, no copyright infringement.
They bring the boom you say
NJPW had an intercontinental title, why can’t AEW?
They did but supposedly one of the reasons it got scrapped is the copyright thing with WWE
AEW doesn't need another midcard mens championship. It needs two less.
That definitely wasn't the case. I've heard rumors surrounding the belt maker who designed both the IWGP Heavyweight V4 and IC title pulling a copyright claim because of mobile games, but I don't think that's true because the IWGP Junior Heavyweight stuck around and it's basically the IWGP V4 but smaller. The general consensus has been that they wanted fresh titles for a new era/Bushiroad wants to sell new replicas, hence the influx of other belts in recent history. Either way, WWE had nothing to do with it.
I feel like the women’s war games match would have made more sense being Liv, Raquel, and PFC vs Rhea, Iyo, Kairi, Jade, and Bianca.
Cool Jim Rugg Octobriana posters back there
Wouldn't it make sense for Tiffy Time to cash in during the war games match or is too out of left field?
Was there tonight friendo at Glendale that Bron Breakker spot was nutz
I would *love* for Bad Bloodline to win War Games. It would show Roman that it’s not enough to just get everyone back together to make everything alright.
Yes, WWE trademarked Intercontinental Championship back in 2020 I think, or re-trademarked.
Glad I'm not the only one that immediately thought "Sith" when Shinsuke showed up lol
And WarGames has felt a touch rushed. Still don't know where Iyo came from for that match. Glads she's in, though!
7:26 isn’t smack down 3 hours lmao
Can’t wait for the unboxing video… Unless it makes we want one! 🤔🤣
Last week Smackdown did a double taping
Bayley in her current “form” (i.e. Bakery Bayley) just doesn’t go over as well as a face.
They need to give her another heel run, and / or then take a break and set up something around time for Rumble 2026 with an Izzy surprise appearance (with Izzy sporting the legacy Pigtail Bayley look).
I am watching this video to support Steve through paying of the Championship!
I dont mind there being 2 war games but not this year as there isnt the story there while there was one for both last year. However WWE wargames are severely limited by both the run time (the match beyond shouldnt be the majority of the match) and since theres no blood and wwes especially clean almost antiseptic production it well never feels like a war. Just a team based hardcore match. A way to mitigiate that is what tna did with Lethal Lockdown the weapons are exclusively apart of the match beyond.
Similar issue with womens midcard titles the issue isnt having them its by giving them the same name your watering it all down and removing the specialness of it.
Plus the PPV (I refuse to use PLE cause its a dumb name) having so few matches makes you more restless cause now everything has to be better to make up the wasted time.
It’s an interesting theory that Bayley was the one to attack Jade. I thought Jade’s kayfabe injury was at the hands of Bianca. I’m not sure how long Jade is out though and when WWE knew about it.
someones said along time...they can maybe go Naomi.. Charlotte.. becky...maybe the storyline not played off for abit so ..someone who a face turns out was the bad guy to jade..they could make it really interesting ..my idea is someone paid someone off to beat her up and we see Bianca giving cash to said person with baseball bats..because Belair wants to be a singles star but never had the heart to tell jade..turning bianca heel
I think Crown Jewel and injuries screwed up the pacing of War Games.
Why am I awake?
The Saudi and the war games match really get in the way of builds imo. They booked themselves into a corner with short ppvs. Hopefully Saturday Night Main Event has some substance.
They are going to Rikishi this who hurt Jade Cargill storyline. It’s going to be Bayley but she did it for Bianca.
wargames is becoming a gimmick ppv
Nakamura fumbling a return going after a midcard belt would kill his legitimacy completely. If they just want to use him like post-Invasion Raven that's their prerogative but it's quite a waste.
I’d rather Naomi being the one behind Jade. Bayley is her friend and Naomi has been lost since she came back from TNA. She was big there and now she’s just existing in WWE.
The women’s war games match is so weird this year and it’s giving off mid vibes already. Bayley turning heel would be a terrible idea though. She just turned face before WrestleMania and the crowd is still red hot for her. She was a heel since the Covid era.
wwe does own the term "intercontinental championship"
WAE just glossing over the issues Bayley had with Iyo.
Bayley knew what she did.
AEW should call her next title the wrestle cupjuice title for orange Cassidy
Bianca took our Jade
My two girlfriends crush Liv Morgan Bat Girl Kimberly Pink Ranger & Bayley
It’s not Bayley turning her heel is to soon she just went face earlier this it make no sense, if anything I think between Bianca or Naomi.
This guy just he was going to do a live "un-opening" of the belt. I'll have to hook you up with the dude at work that says, "unthaw".
Are we _sure_ OGs are going to win? We have to think about the Rock lurking in the background..
Personally I think Ricochet should have the “crap” record this time. If you take that and couple it with his twitter posts lately and I think you could make a REAL interesting heel character (if the writing is good enough lol). Plus for him to really get better on the mic he NEEDS some character traits, ANY character traits lol. So far his character has just been “wrestler who wrestlers good.” Not always a bad character, but def not a good character to try to improve your mic skills with.
11:16 clickbait
Im no booker just fantasy booking here, but maybe they should have waited on the Phil reveal as the 5th member until SS. Have Roman and Seth have a face off unannounced at Raw, no words, Roman puts the fist, huge pop, Seth looks to the crowd and in a one take shoot Seth walks off backstage gets in his rental car and leaves. Friday we see Seth pull up at SD but gets jumped by the Bloodline, what were Seth intentions? 5th member is still unclear, find out at SS.
SS; entrances happen, match starts in a 4v5. Full Bad Bloodline members are in, destroying OG Bloodline then MY NAME IS… and the rest is history. You kind of set up more Roman v Seth stuff, milk the Lesnar possibility that the weirdos have and end it forever. Jimmy gets the pin cus fuck it, give Jimmy a chance.
Darby being put in there is stupid. Spot should have went to someone else and keep his terrorizing the Death Riders separate from this tournament
I don’t think Bayley attacked Jade. That wouldn’t really make sense
i think super team loses because lack of teamwork...while judgment day liv/requel more unit.. mabye Naomi takes the pin so get blame and she crashes out on Bayley and Bianca
Juice Robinson is gonna end up with the donut in Gold League. Beast Mortos should win one match and then lose every other match
Bloodline story has kept wwe interesting for last 2 years, all other stories are mehh... This year only punk drew story was the highlight.
What's your problem G
Team liv Morgan win 🫶❤️❤️
Nah man, Bianca put Jade out. Bianca has had enough of people who don't make their own gear.
She was in a match when it happened. She left the match losing the match to go in the back to check on her friend.
So even if you say logically that she gave up the match just to make it look like she was innocent. That still means Jade was lying on that car for the whole duration of that match before Bianca even came to the ring. It makes no logical sense that nobody would've found her in that time. It literally can't be Bianca if they want to make any kind of logical sense.
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Why are they having a women’s wargames match literally two pay per views ago they said we don’t want matches to be done just because it’s that time of year referring to hell in a cell. It makes sense for the men’s to have a wargames match with the bloodline. what storyline do the women have where it makes sense for this I just don’t like it wargames should be for huge storylines only
You not the only one with the problem with wargames but hopefully they don't disappoint
The more confusing the story line the more content the faster you earn punk belt money.
Naw i think u trippin on this one Steve 🤷🏿♂️
Bailey just got back to being likable so I hope she isn't the one. Charlotte would be my pick
Friendo
Heel Bayley, Face Bayley is still Dull Bayley. She does nothing for me.
1:02
I agree, fam. Everything just feels rushed. Also, what is the backstory for the women War Games Match?
Not to mention they didn’t even announce the women’s IC title live on Raw? Weird vibes.
Half-assed rushed booking for a marquee PLE. But its WWE so no one wants to talk about that.
Well this is not true at all. Your implication is that WWE get a free pass just for WWE. When the truth is WWE get a free pass because they've been good for the last two years. When WWE are rubbish, fans have no problem pointing it out. There have been numerous occasions where the fans have shit all over the product. And unless you are 13 years old and only just started watching wrestling in the last year or so. You would know this. From booing Rey Mysterio when he wasn't Daniel Brian, to WWE coming out and saying "we will do better" while blaming Baron Corbin for the terrible ratings. WWE have been called the evil empire in the past. So no they don't just get a free pass for being WWE.
And more importantly, AEW don't get a free pass for being AEW either. Put on a crap product and we'll tell you about it.
Why can’t they have just hired an animator why does it have to be AI ART lol animation like shinsuke cost around 1000 dollars 😂 tf
Hopefully you make art one day and not be told your content is AI
You think they're ever gonna have another Survivor Series match? Or even do the Bragging Rights thing again? Or will the show just get renamed to War Games and they'll have to shoehorn in a random face vs heel War Games match just because it's November, even if it makes no sense
I think they'll do War Games until it stops drawing since HHH loves War Games.
Smackdown is taped, so maybe they didn't want to give away too much in case it looked obvious.
I haven't seen any spoilers which I dont want.
Hopefully it will reveal alot more happening...
I hope Kofi decks Xavier if there is no more new day after next week
The women's war games match is just a tin of women slapped together. It is a far cry away from how great the men's war games match was set up.
The woman's war games match (much like the two women's mid card titles) feel forced beyond belief. I understand WWE has an equality policy in place, but having a women's war games match waters down the men's match with how haphazard they put the women's match together. I'm sure the match will be considered "match of the night" and WWE will call it "the greatest thing ever" like they do with all these forced gimmick matches, but it's still meaningless at the end of the day.
I’ve been halfway paying attention, why is bad guy IYO SKY on babyface WarGames team?
That flip off the cage after scaling it in 2 seconds then leaping is just stupid. Why the fudge would you want to be the one catching him?
WarGames I feel like wasn't necessary for the women's side and I actually think a survivor series tag could have been better narratively. I get they want to have them just as important as the mens but I don't think the women's side needs to be wargames.
With WWE making a women's ic title and us title they need to get rid of the women's tag team titles cause they defend those like jd and Finn does once a year.
The WWE champion doesn't have a spot on the survivor series card? Hmm
Must be nice having people buy $700 toys for a grown up man
You realise the guy has to turn on his camera and actually do a stream/make a video. He does have to work for that $700.
What do you do as a living? Must be nice having people pay your bills for you. Because let's face it, no matter what your job is, it is in service of the people. You get paid a wage for giving a service to people in someway or another. So what's the difference ?
If they use AI Art, so what? It's not as easy as people think who have a certain vision in mind.
Geeze, get with the times and compromise.
Hot take: WWE Wargames is already boring. The matches are way longer than they need to be, and the formula is the exact same with halfway through someone throwing a bunch of weapons in the ring then spending 20 minutes doing mostly weapon shots.
I miss elimination matches
Personally I don’t like women having Hell In A Cell, Royal Rumble, Elimination Chamber, or War Games matches.
It’s not a sexist thing, it’s just it devalues the matches.
And matches like Hell In A Cell, Elimination Chamber and War Games are supposed to be violent, and full of blading.
I mean Hell In A Cell and Elimination Chamber matches have been so devalued ever since WWE went PG because those matches don’t belong in a PG product, and neither does War Games.
The gimmick of these matches are the violence, and if there is little violence, then there is no point.
The Punk vs McIntyre Hell In A Cell match was going in the right direction, but imo the match still wasn’t violent enough, both of them should’ve had crimson faces after the match, and not just a little blood. They should’ve looked like what Cena did after his I Quit match with JBL at Judgment Day 2005, absolutely covered in it.
Late night cup of juice