Objections of Atheists: Why Does God Allow Suffering? | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- Do we need God to be a good person? Is belief in God irrational? And how can an all-powerful and good God allow for widespread evil and suffering? We discuss this with Dr. Shabir Ally.
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DR SHABIR ALI IS HER FATHERRRRR WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT MASHA'ALLAH
sami what for real ?
sami same
You say that like he's a character from Star Wars
@@rationalpuppet8163 Your profile picture tho
All this time, I never knew! Lool. They interact like strangers lol
I saw suffering of children in Yemen etc. ...and my heart is questioning everything in such moments. How can Allah watch and watch for so long. The world is no more in balance. 😪 I feel helpless and so sorry for these innocent children. We have not enough to care for every single one. And as the world works the powerful are not using their power right or rather even misuse it. How can Allah allow this for so long.
Guess where the children will be in the Hereafter which is eternal.
@@sidiksamion3 But I don't understand why he set up this system in the first place? The innocent still have to suffer in this system.
@@noe2521 my friend, let me ask you this. If I give you a choice to suffer for X amount of years just to be placed in heaven PERMANENTLY. would you do it?
@@zionchar11 that was one thing I was thinking about that makes sense to me. This suffering is temporary but heaven would be infinite. Mathematically, if any integer is subtracted from infinity, it's still infinity. But on the other hand, if I remember correctly and the information was accurate because I didn't read it straight from the Qur'an, I believe the Qur'an says that 99 out of 100 people will go to hell. So doesn't the existence of Earth and this system mean that God induced more evil and negativity than he did positivity by creating it? If so, the total suffering outweighs the total good, right?
@@noe2521 The reason for that is that to do sin is very easy as to virtues. Even by helping the homeless can bring you sin IF you record the act and show the world you did it. In the act of selflessness, one must be humble. For charity event is bit different.
This is also why you can't judge a person if they have of haven't donated because the PUREST form of charity consist of only 2 parties, you and the receiver.
Now back to hell and heaven, believe it or not even muslim will go to hell because either you didn't do enough virtue or you're just a muslim in name. The people who goes to hell will receive punishment for every sin their made, once every sin have been dealt and you are clean it. Then you go to heaven.
In Islam there's tiers of heaven and hell. The worst of hell and the best of Heaven. after spending thousand of years in hell repenting your sins, you'll be put inside heaven eventually. Where in the tiers is god willing as he knows all. This also goes for hell, the worst crime against humanity, the worst of hell you go.
So yes, injustice do happen but know that the worst of them are going to beg for mercy from god and receive the worst of punishment no man can imagine.
Lastly, sin is so easy for humanity to make. a simple side comment that slightly hurt someone feeling is also a sin. Understand that NO sin even as small as an atom will not be unchecked by god or his angels.
Hence why there's going to be a lot of people going to hell, another example is driving. How many time do you think you've curse someone out on the road. If you have a tip jar for every curse you spat out not only on the road but in your everyday life. You'll have a lot.
I never knew before today that he's her father. Mansha Allah , what a nice family.
I normally tell people that God put us on earth with the responsability of our own actions. Many stuff we have created creates illness. Greed creates war and war creates death. Many illnesses wouldnt excist if it wasnt for bad diets, smoke (both from cigarettes and machines), alcohol, too much meat, too little protein, vegies and bad treatment of animals. If someone kills a person then its not a action God took and God doesnt punish u. Its a human who did an unforgiving thing and he is the one u should put ur blame on. Humans have a responsability and we shouldnt blame God for what is goin wrong in this world..
I was told by jehovas witnesses some time ago that it was time for God to kill the devil and all evil would leave this world. I told them that humans need the contrast of good and evil. Thats how we are
Wow this is a perfect explanation, thank you for this!
Wow…didn’t know Dr.Shabbir Aly was your father safiyyah. Allah will bless you both for the great work you father-daughter duo are doing, hatsoff to you guys.!
I like Shabir and the way he explains things in a very balanced philosophical way, however, there are problems with this whole concept of suffering that can’t be explained no matter how hard you try to use mental gymnastics. A lot of muslims, when confronted with this issue, will give a generic mindless answer saying “Life’s a test”. Its a major cliche and shows how little they like to think or perhaps subconsciously they feel god will burn them for questioning anything.
Those who are more intelligent and philosophical will say suffering is for the greater good, suffering leads to moral growth, the yin yang argument, the whole heaven argument, amongst others, and whilst there is some truth to these answers, it doesn’t answer the problem entirely. They may answer evil at the macro level but ignore the micro level completely.
Some may say that we can never understand gods ways or that his view of morals and suffering is different. Well we must then ask why a god would create beings who desire happiness and dislike suffering and have a certain view of morals, yet he thinks entirely different. This in itself would be proof of a psychopath that created beings and then dislikes their desires so as to cause them pain.
Not to mention that giving these cliche answers does not explain all the totally unnecessary and fruitless suffering that exists, the excessive amount of diseases, rare genetic defects, the extreme injustice that some face etc etc. Suffering is not a problem but rather the excessive amount of it and the fact that there is no intervention on gods path or freedom from this suffering in many cases ppl suffer and achieve nothing from it.
Those that say suffering leads to growth must explain the extreme injustice and how its usually the good ppl or the less privileged that suffer, whilst many are rich brats that don’t think deep or experience extreme hardships. Does god not care about their moral growth, and if not why create such beings in the first place.
Furthermore, a god who would burn ppl simply coz they objected to evil due to their high sensitivity to the issue and empathy, or due to personal trauma, well why would anybody want to worship a egomaniac who believes in behaving like a smug bully playing dice with peoples lives.
Muslim ppl in particular showout their oppressive complex when they say god cannot be questioned since they admit that they afraid god will burn them for objecting proving that they themselves consider god a cosmic sadistic psycho.
Lastly a god which is considereed so great and beyond the material cannot possibly understand empathy and what it is like to experience the humans subjective experience of suffering, This is why christians came up with Christ incarnate to explain how god can feel human pain. And muslims have a hadeeth qudsi statign that god has forbidden injustice amongst himself.
all of your objections come from assuming system of justice which has been set by god to be limited to our worldly life and you are ignoring that this life is just part of that system not the whole of it. each of your questions has a rational answer but in order to appreciate them you need to widen your view to beyond this life otherwise they won't make sense to you.
as for your last point "a god which is considered so great and beyond the material cannot possibly understand empathy and what it is like to experience the humans subjective experience of suffering, This is why christians came up with Christ incarnate to explain how god can feel human pain." how can you consider a creator to be unaware of it's creatures even in details?! it is the one who has made them and has set the natural laws how could it be considered to create them without knowledge?!
@@eslamalipour4682 In other words the heaven argument which itself has a whole lotta issues, but u clearly didnt read my stream properly or u wud have noticed that. so my points still stand. And no its not that simplistic, wherebby u say all suffering is justified since eternal heaven is assumed.
Of course his so great right so powerful right as Islam claims so he may know that humans go thru pain, but he has no idea how they actually feel., their qualia feeling.
@@Yameen200 apparently you have mentioned the heaven argument and i have missed that as you said but you have not said that why it is not rational to you.
he is the one who has set the natural laws how can he be unaware of them?!
@@eslamalipour4682 When we think of suffering in life we can come up with 3 possibilities,
1. Somehow the afterlife explains all of it
2. The world is run by a deistic god which doesnt intervene which explains suffering (still not a god anybody would care about)
3 The world is run by a sadistic god that lets ppl suffer coz he enjoys it
4. There is no god and its all human creation
What most ppl never like to say is the last 3 possibilities are entirely logical and possible but yet will cling to the comfortable position which has no evidence and at the end it all boils down to "u gotta have faith"
@@Yameen200 they are possibilities but they are not rational, here is why:
2. if they are happening independent of god's will then who lets them to happen?! another deity?!
3. god is the one who is worthy of worship and that's why we call him god, is a sadistic being worthy of worship to be called god?! if you mean by god a creator (which can be not worthy of worship) then how can you justify all these blessings which we are experiencing them along with the sufferings?! is a sadistic being expected to bless someone?!
4. if there is no god how has this human been created?! because we know that it had a beginning and logic says whatever has a beginning must have been created.
why are you not considering more than these 4 possibilities like:
5. the world is being run by a wise god who lets these suffering to happen to be a wake up call for those who lose their way in their lives just like the way that the pain enables us to know that there is something wrong with our body and it needs to be fixed.
Becuase God gave humans free will and so it’s up to individuals to decide to do good or bad
This the best explanation so far..
God give suffering, according to Hinduism earth name is dukhalayam(suffering planet)and suffering are for test if you pass you get heaven if you fail jahannum
I love that Muslims say.that nonMuslims(especially atheists/agnostics)can be moral...its rare thing in religious communities.
I would partially disagree with you here, Shabir is one of the more relatable guys that can say that. Many religious ppl particularly hmuslims have this holier than thou attitude and think of atheists as demons and only muslims are moral
that's the reality, all people regardless of their religions or ideologies born with morality but the reason for revelation sent by god is to bring the ones who lost it back to their original morality and to warn people to avoid misleading nature of their whims desires through being conscious of reality all the time.
There are differing viewpoints in Islam, with some saying that moral truths and the existence of God can be ascertained by human reason and the intellect alone, with others saying that only some of those truths can be ascertained without revelation, and yet others saying that none can be ascertained without the aid of revelation. If you're interested in the topic, definitely look into comparative Islamic theology. It's a very interesting topic to explore.
I think it depends on the intention of a Religious leader...If he wants to accomplish a political goal by involving religious people he would describe a verse of holy book without it's background significance and convince people or brainwash people about that order in a wrong way....that's the hypocrisy and worst deed...So religious books inspires Good people to do good things and bad people to do bad things....
@@Yameen200 but Quran doesn't say that.Muslims can't change Islam or Quran
Oh my... am I the only one that knew they were father and daughter 😂 they literally have the same surname 💀
Anyways, I just thought I’d say thank you for putting out this video- Islam is logic alhamdulillah ❤️
What about children who face poverty and starvation? Children who are raped and molested ?
How many billions of people have to suffer and die and potentially burn in hell due to their up brining ?
5:50 But this isn't the stronger point. Just because there is no God it doesn't mean a human being won't have a reason to discern between good and bad. Just because you yourself do not see such a reason without the existence of God it doesn't mean the reason doesn't exist. You say it is maybe a choice, a program, the lady suggests it might be the ability to reason... Maybe it's all these things and more. But you have 0 evidence or argument that an atheist, a human being, who isn't driven by scriptures from God, doesn't have a reason to discern right from wrong. Essentially we're back at the atheist's claim that you do not need a scripture from God to be moral, and you brought no argument forth for why there should be. You just said: well, I don't see the reason for why a human shouldn't be immoral if they are not ordered by an authority such as God and his scriptutes. We're back at square one.
my eyes are wide after hearing that he is her father....!!!!
Hi, human beings have been around for hundreds of thousands of years and here we have a god who only started giving humans guidance about 2000 years ago. Let's imagine that humans have been on the earth for 200,000 years. This means that God just watched with folded arms for 198,000 YEARS whilst human beings killed, raped, fought, died from disease etc. and did not intervene or offer any guidance whatsoever. The Jewish scriptures then come to be followed by the bible and now the two main monotheistic peoples, the Jews and Christians, are at a disagreement with each other as to whether Jesus Christ is the messiah. You should be thinking of the question- why did God not make it so this disagreement never happened? He is all knowing so would've known this would happen and is all powerful so would have the power to prevent it! Anyway God then waits another 600ISH YEARS after Jesus until he reveals his final revelation- the Qur'an. Even though god had the power to ensure his religion got to earth and spread to everyone the first time round, he decides to give it a few tries, causing there to be more than one monotheistic religion and hate, war and grief between the different monotheistic religions.
God then makes sure that the Quran, the final message (supposedly), has many unbelievable stories in it that makes it difficult for us to believe. Stories regarding talking birds, talking ants and descriptions of kingdoms and armies that have left no archaeological evidence ALL MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE IN THIS HOLY SCRIPTURE. Finally, to top it all off, God then says that if anyone denies Islam and the truth of the quran, they will end up burning in hell for eternity and will not be saved. DOES ANY OF THIS SEEM AT ALL MORAL OR FAIR WHEN THIS GOD HAS GIVEN US NO GOOD REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HIM AND THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF ROBUST ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE SCRIPTURES AND THE EXISTENCE OF GOD HIMSELF???? To believe in Islam would mean having to just ignore the fact that god designed this world and introduced the "religion of truth" in a very strange, messed up and illogical way.
Troy. who told you that mankind is 200 000 years old and who also told you mankind were giving guidence about 2000 yers ago. Both statements of Yours are wrong.
@@birtol7583 Read a history book.
@@no-body-22 history books or bible? Hostory and science are against bible teaching. Wich books you want me to read, then?
The analogy about pizza 🍕
I'd be delighted to hear a Theistic response to a formally valid species of The Logical Problem Of Evil that runs thus:
P1: God's omnibenevolence and omnipotence and omniscience entails creating the best possible world.
P2: God existing sans (without) creation is the best possible world, given it contains God alone, and God is perfect (this world is maximally perfect)
P3: If God exists, then given his omni properties, he would ensure that the world that was actual was a world where he alone existed.
P4: The actual world is not one in which God alone exists.
C: Given that this world is not the world where God exists sans creation, and that if God existed such a world would necessarily exist given it is logically possible and God is necessarily omnibenevolent, one can conclude God does not exist.
God did not control human or micomanages human as Islam says, neither he control suffering or happiness.
I am a Christian always want to be a Christian, but I like shabir ally and his debates
I recomend u to watch Sam gerrans' videos
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are rules that god created in holy book both complete and consistent for humanity?
if yes, i need proof for it
if no, god ia not omniscient, that is, not god anymore
ISLAM IS NOT TRADITION.IT'S LAW that was passed trough generations.People say ''tradition'' because it's from one generation to another,
but it's not tradition,it's law given trough generations but law didn't became tradition
@Abdul-Hannan Ahmad if something is ''tradition'' than it's obviously man made,wheater it was changed or not doesn't concern us.
Islam is religion a LAW,strong law so serious that Allah warns in many places about Hellfire,that such Law can never be tradition itself,but LAW that was passed trough tradition in sence trough generations but itself was never tradition to begin with.
@Abdul-Hannan Ahmad calling something ''tradition'' where it have extreme warnings about Judgment Day, that ''calling'' law as ''tradition'' is a trap.
IT'S LAW,not tradition.
I wasn't aware that she was his daughter.
None except one is islamic answer.. only that you dont know why it is.. Quran (Surah Tawba, Verse 51) says...Nothing shall ever happen to us except what Allah has ordained for us. He is our Mawla (protector).” And in Allah let the believers put their trust.)
So this question has no answer according to muslims.
Another example of when you believe in make believe, you can just make up nonsensical foolishness. Religious/god believing people are like comic book fans who follow imaginary characters. Who change whenever the writers of those comic books see fit.
God can stop thr asteroid but he chose not to.
Nothing original. These arguments will not “reach” an atheist. If you’ve already put the thought in to leave religion, you’ve explored these topics.
1st question answered: only AllahuAlam...
so did i understand correct: you say that god wanted bad for us?
without islamic proof
Dr.Shabir youre a good sheikh but 1st and last questions werent answered
Please listen again, he did answer the questions.
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Stop the killing of apostates and stop making excuses for people that kill apostates. Murder is wrong. If your god is invincible, he doesn't have thin skin and can't have his feelings hurt. Only people who are controlled by the religion can kill in the name of the religion.
Islam does not order to kill the apostate, the verse was in context of wasr, if someone leave religion and join the enemy in fighting in the time of the prophet then he would be killed.
Emotional arguments on behalf of the atheists
Hehe I had no idea he was her father, what a sweet relationship
Here is the Original Semitic Text. HERE is The Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH Don't care.
"Thus says The Holy One, your Redeemer: Beloved, My treasure, My most beloved ones, here I am! Hear Me! I am poured out like wax before the fire; like a candle, I am dripping with tears! Yet you have not come to Me! My love was poured out, My spirit fell like rain upon the nations... Tears and great mourning... I poured Myself out to heal the nations! Blood and tears, pools of blood, the agony of My passion, My love put on open display!
Yet who is healed in My love? Where is the harvest among the nations, according to the latter rain? It withers, blighted wheat waning in the heat of the noonday sun, planted in the hard and cracked ground, revealing the broken roots thereof; the rains have ceased and are withheld from the land, the hand of The Holy One removed.
Captive children, held fast by the pride and arrogance of men whose hearts remain far from Me, shackled to a world of bitter enmity against God and His Messiah, refusing My Letters of Love, stopping your ears to My voice... Weeping and many tears... I had set you free! Behold, I have freely given! I have not ceased from calling to you through My spirit and by the pen of My prophets, yet you will not listen, nor will you give heed! Even you, O churches of men, will in no wise hear Me, nor are you able! - Arrogant assemblies! DEAF CHILDREN!
Bitter children, amiss in your dealings with Me,
I love you, yet you refuse Me still
In favor of your own way!...
Peoples of this world, and all pastors
And teachers and leaders among men,
You are forsaken, given up to the fire...
The fires of My own correction,
The harsh discipline of The Father,
The day of refinement and tears.
I love you, yet you have not known Me; neither do I see of Myself in you... Our hearts torn. For I see your hearts, beloved, I see and know. Behold, I have searched, and have not found even one tittle of that which is of Me! Cry out, therefore! Call out to your Savior! Call upon your Maker in My name! DIE TO YOURSELVES! Forsake this world and run to Me through the fire, and I shall abide with you in the heat of its burning, until that which must be done is finished and you emerge purified.
Humble yourselves! Cast yourselves down! I am your Father! I LOVE YOU! Yet you have departed from Me, wasting your inheritance in a world of unbridled sin, a world which even now hates you, a world which you have loved more than Me, even yourselves!
And so I have written to you page after page by the pen of My prophets, shouting to you by all manner of speaking and devices, calling to you across the ages, speaking to THIS generation with many tears and much sorrow, warning you of My wrath which must come and is now here and shall quickly overtake this world. And still you push out the hand! Do you not understand?! I have seen it; nothing escapes My eye!
Churches of men, I have seen it! Modern Pharisees, you fight against Me! You fight against The God of your fathers, The One and Only True God! And whatsoever you do to even one of these I have sent to you, whether in word or by deed, you have done it to Me!... Yet I love you still... My heart is torn, a rent which widens, a rent which you have made! Why do you tear yourselves from Me?! For apart from Me, you can do nothing! Apart from Me is darkness, thick darkness and death!
The time has passed, beloved ones; My bride is chosen and the first election is made; the bundles are prepared and set in their places. Therefore I tell you, when you look for Me in the Day, look no more to yourselves, nor in man-made churches; behold, they shall all be torn down! For in them I have not dwelled... I dwell in the hearts of men!
And when darkness has fallen and your tears well up, a bitter rain brought forth from a heart severely broken, from a spirit crushed by the weight of realization, run and seek out My beacons, My witnesses. For they shall lead you through the fire, and I shall abide with you, accompanying you on your journey... A journey of service and great hardship, of many tears and great sorrows, suffering on every side; a journey of love and hope in the midst of great adversity, the end of which shall bring a great multitude into My love, with every servant washing the feet of his neighbor until death comes and sets you free; caught up into My love, healed in an instant, refashioned in glory, remade in My image, partaking of My life fully.
For as many as I love, I rebuke and chasten,
Bringing forth much thanksgiving
To the praise of My glory...
As it is written, so shall it be done...
Therefore trust in My ways,
For I am The King alone;
Apart from Me, there is nothing at all."
@@Praise___YaH what you mean
Thank you so very much for your teachings Imam Ally. It was your debates against the Christians that was the final factor in my conversion to Islam. It was a five year journey going from Christian to Torah/Jewish Observant to Islam. Allah called me and I felt his calling in my spirit. It wasn’t clear but my heart and mind were open to hearing him, researching, studying and finally finding what he wanted. He wanted me to come back to him. I’m so proud to be a new Muslim and finally I feel at home. MashaAllah ❤️ thank you so much for being such a blessed person in many lives.
Debates WITH not against Christians! In Islam, we do not DEBATE about God or Islam!
FRÉMAUX SOORMALLY I understand, what I am saying is, it is the words of Dr. Shabir Ally that helped shape my decision to convert to Islam. This is good thing.
@@3angelcode
"it is the words of Dr. Shabir Ally that helped shape my decision to convert to Islam."
Alhamdulillah! But, we REVERT to Islam and never CONVERT because we are all born towards a NATURAL disposition called FITRA in Islam. When we return to Islam we reject nothing except BAD THINGS that harms self, others, the soul and the heart!
DOGMA makes no sense to me when it is blind or fanatical or extreme.
Dr. Shabir Ally is a human of great knowledge and faith, and I praise Allah for that, and thank and respect Dr. Ally for that. But, I always have my objections when I see dogma blinding many.
Maybe the reason is because I do not share much of the FAITH of others! But, I will always remain a STAUNCH MUSLIM, NO MATTER WHAT!
With much respect and CHRISTIC-MUSLIM LOVE
BAFS
Musheera Bint Michael I ask Allah to give you strength to stabilize you in the ground of truth and grants you Garden of Eden.
Musheera, I don't know why people are bothering you with technicalities of language in what you said. But Imam Ally is an amazing man, and God most High has blessed him with gifts. It is good you took the time to listen to br. Shabir he is very well learned may Allah (SWT) be pleased him until the end!
Lovely. I have a daughter who is climbing on things and learning to talk, I wish that one day we have a relationship where we both can work on something together like you and your dad are doing this Islamic series together. Heartwarming Mashallah.
Awww thank you for this! May Allah bless you both and help you to grow together on the right path!
@@QuranSpeaks Ameen. Bless you :)
I was raised as a Christian and still tend to lean towards the Christian perspective of the world, but I respect Dr. Shabir.
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Thank you for your support and friendship. May god guide you to the straight and correct path.
Peace, love and blessings to you cousin Wladson. Someone commented "correct path" but I just didn't like that. My husband 😍 is a Muslim, but he was raised with Christian stories, the Bible etc, he not religious growing up nor is he now and he hadn't identified as Christian. When I met him, he was in fellowship with God (drool). His mother had taught him the "true Lord's Prayer" so when he recited the English to me, I realised he was reciting Surah Fatiha, The Opening, of the Quran. Basically, God speaks to the heart which He created. That is the correct and straight path. Quran is the last speech to mankind, I suggest you strip it of labels and read what God sent. Note,the issues with translations however Dr Shabir does a great job of explaining things. Blessings upon blessings to you and everyone here 🙏
@Jeff Rutt the original religion is Islam. Islam is the religion of Adam. It just got changed over time.
@@faizinzainudin8462 - he is already on the right path. According to the Quran Allah himself misguide people even his loyal followers.
A day when ye will turn to flee, having no preserver from Allah: and he whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. And verily Joseph brought you of old clear proofs, yet ye ceased not to be in doubt concerning what he brought you till, when he died, ye said: Allah will not send any messenger after him. Thus Allah deceiveth him who is a prodigal, a doubter. Surah. 40:33-34 Pickthall
It is ironic that Allah is described as doing the very thing which Satan is said to do, namely, mislead people from the path!
Masha Allah! Please pray for Sri Lanka too!
If there is no suffering in this world, Heaven will lose its value. There will be no point of creating Heaven.
@Star Wars Debates this life is a test, be a muslim and you will get jannah(paradise)
*good muslim
Rather, think of it this way... Suffering must exist to allow you and I the opportunity to earn Heaven. Whether it be through our own suffering or easing the suffering of another.
😀 😀 😀 A Muslim here.. But this opinion is funny..
This is why we've to earn and strive for anything/ everything , who would know what and who wouldn't knows what ? . Exmp : if you we're told all the answers for our schools, college or uni's tests . The thing is earning of our own living is suffering .
God bless Dr shabir ally and his family and protect them
Here is the Original Semitic Text. HERE is The Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
I will avoid the trapping of a retort to an Atheist and address the issues directly to the dismay of believers. More than Judaism and Christianity, I think Islam has the most theological difficulty explaining why there is evil and suffering. This is NOT a flaw; instead, it is a consequence of its ambition. As Annemarie Schimmel put it, "...Muslims take God seriously...." The byproducts of this create challenges when managing the believer's expectations associated with evil and suffering. Here I am speaking to the "ubiquity of God" within Islam.
The Quran neatly summarizes where I'm going with this: "And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-encompassing and knowing." I once read it explained that God constructs reality as layer upon layer of veils that beyond which there is only God. Thus, a reasonable, some would say unavoidable, take away is that God visits evil and suffering upon the world because, while God is not "all" (e.g., God is not evil), God is the source of all. Put another way, Islam has a "proximity problem" that requires a lot of explanation before the believer "gets it." Related to this, Islam has a clunky relationship (to the layperson) with the concepts of free will and fate/predestination (Qadar). This complexity is compounded by how it reconciles (or fails to) its ubiquity of God with free will/Qadar. For anyone interested in comparative theology, Islamic scholarship over this last point is fascinating. Avoiding a deep dive into that topic, I'll keep things "practical" and state that I appreciate how the Quran explicitly confronts the reader with choices. This is most striking with its treatment of punishment and forgiveness for transgressions. Repeatedly, the Quran informs the reader what is allowed (proportional retaliation or exchange -common justice), but also what is preferred by God (to forgive -justice with a capital J): "The recompense of evil is punishment like it, but whoever forgives and amends, he shall have his reward from Allah; surely He does not love the unjust." As a technical matter, I suppose that it is incorrect to say that, in Islam, God's grace is most accessible and abundant at the moment the believer chooses to forgive. Still, I like to think that is the case.
Islam has several replies in its toolbox to deal with the problem of evil and suffering. First and foremost, it assures the believer time and again that God is merciful, and that God's mercy is fully manifest by the gift of Revelation itself. Here, God is demonstrably the healing reaction to evil and suffering. Further, the Quran tells the believer that, "God does not burden any soul with more than it can bear...." and discusses at length the concepts of "tests" and "rewards and punishments." Ultimately, the follower will find peace through submission to the mercy and righteousness of Revelation; which is to say, God. Functionally, it's not unlike the Buddhist sentiment that pain is negated by deconstructing one's ego. Against all the malicious commentary to the contrary, God, as revealed in the Quran, is one of compassion and love (well beyond that in Torah!), but also one with a firmness whose intent is not to inflict suffering but to illuminate and nurture a proper path toward peace and justice.
What a long answer yet you said nothing. Either you are grossly ignorant about Islam or you are deliberately mishandling the Qur'an.
Let me correct you here. That they may bear their burdens entirely on the day of resurrection and also of the burdens of those whom they lead astray without knowledge; now surely evil is what they bear. S. 16:25 Shakir
And those who disbelieve say to those who believe: Follow our path and we will bear your wrongs. And never shall they be the bearers of any of their wrongs; most surely they are liars. And most certainly they shall carry their own burdens, AND OTHER BURDENS WITH THEIR OWN BURDENS, and most certainly they shall be questioned on the resurrection day as to what they forged. S. 29:12-13 Shakir
Interestingly, the Qur'an contradicts itself in a space of two verses. This last passage says that disbelievers will not carry the believers' sins. But right after saying this, the Qur'an says that on the resurrection day the unbelievers will not only carry their own burden of sins, but the burden of others as well!
Another verse contradicting the principle that "no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another" is the following:
O ye who believe! respond to ALLAH, and the Messenger when he calls you that he may give you life, and know that ALLAH comes in between a man and his heart, and that HE it is unto Whom you will be gathered. And beware of an affliction which will surely not smite exclusively those among you who have done wrong. And know that ALLAH is severe in requiting. S. 8:24-25 Sher Ali
Here, even the innocent will suffer the affliction that will smite the wrongdoers just as the commentators show. The two Jalals said regarding Surah 8:25:
And guard yourselves against a trial which, if it were to fall upon you, would certainly not fall exclusively upon the evildoers among you, but would encompass them and others, and the way to guard against it is to repudiate that evil which necessarily results in [precipitating] it; and know that God is severe in retribution, against those who oppose Him. (Tafsir al-Jalalayn)
when we consider all of what the Qur'an and Hadith actually say we see that bearing the load of another is part of their teaching. When Islamic leaders say, "each person only bears their own load", they are not telling the whole story. Muslims cannot simply dismiss the Christian claim because Islam has its own expression of this idea.
That was actually a really good read. I don't know what the dude below me is going on about but that was really well written. Thank you. I think you got the message across coming from someone who is a convert from catholism so I love watching these types of videos and seeing other people's opinions. I came here because a coworker started asking me questions and he doesn't know if he believes in God. I could show him this video but I am not sure it's the right time as he just started questioning after a fews years of knowing him. Idk.
@@mollyjarvela9550 assalamualaikum and peace sis. Yea you can slowly talk about it and just be sure to not pressure the guy and let him completely realize and process the religion.
(21:35) "Every living being has to taste death, *37 and We are putting all of you to trial by passing you through good and bad conditions, *38 and ultimately you shall return to Us"
Yes
Christian here. Couldn’t agree more with what was said here! God bless!
MashAllah Safiya I am proud of you...you became a Dr.
As a Christian I have long felt that we need to find the common ground we share with our Muslim brothers and sisters. There's a lot of it in what you said on this program. This could easily have been one of our pastor's sermons. There is much more to unite us than there is to divide us. What a wonderful world it could be.
You have to experience darkness to appreciate light.Thank you Dr.Shabir.
Masha’Allah what a Father what a Teacher and what an inspiration to the relation ship!! Baraka Allahu fikum
That's Cool Mashallah Your Dad is Dr and even your Dr
Nice Videos the way you guys are discussing Islamic Faith
May Allah Bless you Guys !!
OMG when you said the Universe has no reason, I suddenly "got it." Now I have to figure out why Allah put creatures who can reason into a Universe that can't. Good luck to me. Thank you!!
Love Dr. Shabir. He's the best n the most logical in arguments. Love Safiya. What a wonderful family! 😍😍😍
I liked the analogy of trusting the road sign. That is a metaphor for the Prophet pbuh. I'm a scientist myself (molecular biologist and data analyst) and an a recent revert. I struggled with justifying the biochemical and statistical aspects of the existence of life as an incredibly complex and largely unknown set of systems that work in a multidimensional space that surpasses our humble instinctive perception of 3-dimensionality. I had a career in genetic engineering bacteria for vaccine development. 99.9% of what we did in the research groups I worked with failed (as we know by and large vaccine fail way before they can be tested in humans). Even today, our understanding is still way too limited for us to even contemplate of wrestling with the immense complexity of life creation and win. We can, at best, only have partial and more depressingly, as scientists, very superficial understanding. Something way more intelligent than us is responsible for what we know as "the world". There is no God delusion, only idols delusions.
Remember in Islam Allah says educate your daughters as you will educate a nation.
In the name of free will, this answer is not sufficient.
To me, it makes sense that if the world were to have been the same for all, it might have been a boring place to live, tantamount to a paradise. Allah wants us to go through all sorts of hardships to make us stronger if we survive, and so what if we die in the process as GOD promised us to get us to paradise on the condition of being patient against all sorts of hardships they don't have control over. I know it's not easy for some people who have weak comprehension of how world matters are arranged divinely.
Most sufferings are due to a human's own actions. When it comes to children's suffering -- a lesson for parents as a child would never remember what happened to them when they were infants, tsunamis, earthquakes -- natural disasters, one needs to understand with full sanity that the wrath of GOD never comes unless a Prophet has never been sent to them and he warned them with the message of GOD.
We see someone in front of us suffer might be a lesson for the person who is being suffered and the one who is watching it. As it is said, one's suffering is the source of pleasure for others.
Help, mercy, love, care, etc. can only exist if one is in need of them.
Thank you for reading.
Herez a thought - there already was, is and will remain suffering in the world. so, now if this non-existent god - allah, jesus or whoever, is a loving god- then how would you explain the existence of a terrible world and a benevolent god???-- so the bumpkins who came up with religion said - we cant change the world - lets just change the god.....and here these bumpkins are debating - : why do we have a god who allows suffering? - because suffering was always here - the idea of god came later - and not that it is going to make suffering go away (is actually greatly adding to it)...so lets jsut make an allowance for suffering in our definition of god - and NO ATHEIST ASKS THIS QUESTION! -
This dude is so chill
I believe Dr. Shabir should look into the eastern religions as well. In Buddhism where God concept is not there, gives a way, to progress as human beings mainly using our mind as a tool. I am not knowledgeable enough to explain this, but you can learn about Buddhism from anywhere. I personally have experienced some glimpses of this growth, and I am moving in this path. So the claim that if there is no God there is no reason to behave in a certain way is wrong. For example, If you hate on people, it will be hard for you to sleep peacefully. Whether or not there is a God. So it will be best not to hate.
I would not say they're so different in one sense. In all essential senses, religions are the same. What is called God or Good in one religion is called Nirvana or Enlightenment in others. The difference is Personification: Abrahamic religions chose this path via their various Prophets for very specific purposes to help many people.
The universe has direction according to science. According to metaphysics human development also has direction.
There is symmetry.
God is the all-knower as well as the all-wise.
sometimes He allows some evil things to happen so that a greater good may manifest.
i just feel like i can totally accept that, but it is so hard for me to know that there are young children getting kidnapped, hurt and sexual abused and murdered. Why does God allow this suffering to happen?
@@De-Dekkers this has no answer,you dont do a question,but you should say,if God was real,he will never would allow these thing to happen.
Put yourself in the suffering condition
Specially the real painful ones constantly
Then let's see if you're answer will be the same
It's easy to say this when you're leaving a comfortable life in Canada
This man is very logical and reasons well
Hes a progressive!!
not at all
@@stuffstuff8568 why?
@@idrismasumi9582 he dances around the questions and says "atheist bad" basically
@@stuffstuff8568 He did explain well. You are deaf.
That's such a great explanation. JazakAllah khairan brother Shibir.
How happy you are to have a father who is an Islamic scholar.
In a world where God exist, is it his will for people to kill others, because he allow suffering in the world for a good reason? So should we imprison a murder for doing God's will?
That's not God's will, that's entirely on the Satan and the fact that the human listened to Satan
Heck! He is your dad. This explains the unapologetic bold style of questing. Thank you for doing this, helps me clear a lot of my doubts.
What is Evil? Evil is a departure from the way things ought to be. Your definition will be something similar. If you then agree that there is evil in the world and that evil is the departure of things from the way they should or ought to be, then according to your own analogy, there IS a way things ought to be. Then, if there is a way things ought to be, then there must be a determiner that determines how things ought to be. In other words, you’re agreeing that there must be a transcending power in the universe. If you don’t believe in this power, then you don’t believe things ought to be a certain way, and then don’t believe in a departure from this way, hence no evil. Things are just the way they are. But does anyone really claim or want to claim evil does not exist? The more you think about it, the more you will realize God is actually the best explanation for the existence of objective moral values and evil. Your reproach to this idea comes from mainly two things - the wrong concept of God and an unwillingness to change the way you live your life. Alhamdulillah to the one who granted us intellect and granted us the ability to reject the desires of the nafs and the shayateen from ins and jinn. May Allah protect us
Shabir Alley is my best Teacher & spiritual father. Who helped me towards a straight path. I have started gonna towards Atheism. This is only man Who really always breaks the doctrine of “Scienciam that’s 2nd name of Atheism”. I learnt from this man. Science knows only two questions about things around us.
1.What are those things (Definition+ Discovery) ?
2. Why do events happen as v think? ( according to our Cognitive capacity)
3. How -> Science Silent (No approval theories/just assumptions)
4. Present Natural phenomena of nature & backed Supernatural powers behind Universal laws--> Science Silent (End of thinking capacity)
Where i can meet him ? My froend getting atheism, i wanna bring him to Dr. Ally
Is it ok for a Sunni and an Ahmadi Muslim to marry? I don't personally believe that the differences in the two doctrines represent an issue that can hinder the marriage and the upbringing of Muslim children.
From Kashmir?
Imam ally is the best muslim debator
I'm an atheist. I have much more respect for Shabir Ally's islam than Richard Dawkins's atheism. Dawkins has no understanding of theology and philosophy. He believes all of life's questions can be answered with his fake scientific method.
Your moral sense can have grounding in reality that's not from God. My moral sense is grounded in my sense of empathy and solidarity with other human beings, which is part of my personal desires.
His argument that you need some grounding for your own reason is interesting, and there may be some deeper philosophical significance to it. But it isn't clear how taking the Quran as a solution helps you in any way.
The Quran itself says.
وَهُوَ الَّذِىۡ جَعَلَ لَـكُمُ النُّجُوۡمَ لِتَهۡتَدُوۡا بِهَا فِىۡ ظُلُمٰتِ الۡبَرِّ وَالۡبَحۡرِؕ قَدۡ فَصَّلۡنَا الۡاٰيٰتِ لِقَوۡمٍ يَّعۡلَمُوۡنَ
“It is He Who has made for you the stars that you may follow the right direction in the darkness of the land and the sea. We have indeed spelled out signs for the people who have knowledge.” (6:97)
The people who have knowledge will be able to receive the signs, but how do people have knowledge _before_ they have been able to receive the signs (āyat)? This seems to be a contradiction, right? You need to depend on reason to be able to receive the āyat.
I am sorry if this is a basic misunderstanding of the Quran.
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Zakir Naik watch him
how about not soffering
" God does not oppress people but it is men that oppress themselve. " Glorious Quran.
In the words of Ibn Arabi, in the book What the Seeker Needs,
he mentions: ' Everything God has created is good it is man
that can make it good or bad.
One other point being points out by him in that book is:
" You who have believe! You do not have to prove the existence
of God, others who deny it should prove there exists another God.
Dr. Aley points nailed the question.
My God bless him and increase his knowledge.
Thank you and best regards.
LOL
I recommend the new book God, Evil and Suffering in Islam by Salih Sayilgan (Cambridge University Press, 2023) - A resource written from a Muslim perspective
This man is so polite and well spoken!! I don't agree with much of what he says (as it's not based on fact), but I do admire his pleasant demeanor.
This isn't the right question. Why does God allow evil acts to be committed IN HIS VERY NAME? There is no credible answer to this because there is no credible God
This world is made of chaos. So naturally, chaotic things will happen. God gives the universe free will to be as it is.
In order for God to create, he had to make something that was distinct and different from himself, or it would just be more of himself.
He is light and order, so to create, he had to make "otherness" which is different from himself. So he had to create darkness (matter) and chaos. Neither darkness nor chaos is inherantly good or evil, ithey are neutral.
Sometimes chaos works in our favor other times it doesn't.
Need a God for morality? That’s just your theory and assumption. Look at eastern societies. Chinese follow Confucian teaching which is humanistic, and many Chinese are moral thousands of years
of course every sentence beings want to happy life and joy full life and although we pray and too hand work for happy life. but Allah can't give us real pure happy life like permanent happy life.
why can't give us permanent happy life. actually Allah surly give us happy life. because he's like a mother. mother keep her baby very happy and shine full and she can't want to be see her baby unhappy any situation. but allah not like that. why ? please give good me reason.
Asalam alaikum please can stop the small frame that keeps moving. It disracts from very interesting discussions. Jazakallah khairun.
If Allah create that all things. then why some people don't believe and dislike the Allah? actually we all of believe and like the Allah, but why not like that, because he's creator and power magical man. Is he can't handle or other reason? why?
Simple answer who created everything God, before declaring God isn't find planet like earth they won't be able to more simple if earth is computer rules are followed like nature but you need someone to switch on life and switch off qayamat
Great Islamic channel
Always respect an others please.
Masha'Allah father and daughter having a a charity that flows...
I can see why this answer or interpretation is unsatisfactory. It doesn't really answers the question.
Well I’m suffering due to others arrogance and stupidity right now and me anG-D inside me is quite pissed off right now with the certain host members and very testing spirit that is close to a throat punch
There is no resemblance between you and your father. I was completely different from my mom and look like my beloved father. God bless their souls.
It's such a pleasure to listen to Dr Shabir speak. Everything he say is very clear .
With respect to the issue of suffering / evil in this world, the existence of evil/suffering/imperfection does not necessarily mean God does not exist. See YT video UfB2EPBmSU0.
It is interesting that many ppl who have had near death experience (NDE), now describe that during NDE, the blissful state they experienced invoked a kind of feeling that they have returned back "home"
In agreement with this, the Quran stated that mankind was once a single entity - then (at one point in existance) they differed (in opinions).
*10v19* Mankind was but one nation, but differed (later).Had it not been for a word that went forth before from thy Lord, their differences would have been settled between them
Since our home were once "up there", and will (later) be going back "home", it is likely that God had previously created an existence without any suffering, and such is perfectly possible to be done by God. However, a disbeliever might have disputed such fact, and claimed the previous existence was an imperfection, and thus such a dispute led to us being sent down here
*2v36*...."Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves.On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."
Mankind, not being the first and the last, may at one point of their existence, disputed the logic behind etc things. For example, how did a person come about and how did they have their apparent identity?. What really is "good" and "evil" or true and false. In this realm, our memory of the previous existence was veiled, so that we could understand the head and tail of things (cause and effect), without the confounding effect of our previous memory.
Some Christians believed that there was once a war in heaven. However, the same account does not seem to be apparent in the Quran. The taking of forbidden knowledge parable was conveyed by both Islam/Christianity, however, Islam does not believe in the concept of "original sin", albeit "purification of the soul" is always mentioned by many Muslims
Humans were created with different capacity or capabilities, and thus, knowledge (given or taken or omitted) can have an influence to their character. Humans were originally created in perfect proportion (decent).
*Him Who created thee. Fashioned thee in due proportion, and gave thee a just bias; (Surah Al-Infitar, 7)*
Mankind have decency in them, but a decent person can be manipulated by evil forces and that led to their own "slip
". Taking forbidden knowledge resulted to an imbalance that is against God's will, as that could result to evil inclination
*20v121* Then they both ate of it, so their evil inclinations became manifest to them, and they both began to cover themselves with leaves of the garden, and Adam disobeyed his Lord, so his life became evil (to him)..
Knowledge is in itself, not evil, but it could cause evil given to the wrong person. A soul with unsanctioned knowledge are "impure soul". This led to characters (of disbelievers), disputing God's knowledge. We are down here to see the cause and effect of things, and presented with time based choices, to provide the "empirical" evidence of our character and what is and true/false; evil/good
.
*8v37* In order that God may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost..
*28v63* Those against whom the charge will be proved, will say: "Our Lord! These are the ones whom we led astray: we led them astray, as we were astray ourselves: we free ourselves (from them) in Thy presence: it was not us they worshipped."
*10v33* Thus is the word of thy Lord proved true against those who rebel: Verily they will not believe.
And translate arab language from back then is hard because 1 old Word arabic has 10 meanings you can’t translate the Q’uraan
Jazakmu Allah Khyran for hitting these difficult Qs.
2:00 False delimma. He explores only two possibilities, with or without suffering. Yet we know of a great range of suffering in this world. It is understandable that if a baby does not feel pain it will not learn to avoid hitting it's head, thus will eventually do serious harm to itself. It's a temporary suffering to shape behavior. But what about the millions of people that have life-long debilitating pain that cannot be remedied by changing behavior? Why can't we have the former without the latter? It makes more sense that either God is either indifferent to human suffering, incapable or unwilling to change the nature of suffering, or God is non-existent.
We all fear of pains and suffering and is the thing that will all go through
suffering was living under atheist rules, in Soviet, etc.. they ruled and killed and shot if you try to escape their rotten countries. yet blame religions of war and debate about suffering, oh no suffering is bad... they had their chance and made it hell for all the people who lived under them.. only 3% of war, cause of suffering, was made in the name of religions .. . the rest were politically motivated.
In essence you want to boss the world, you actually wants heaven right here. But it is God plan. you have a choice to disoby.. enjoy
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"suffering was living under atheist rules, in Soviet,"
There are no "atheist rules" and I am no Soviet. Do YOU accept responsibility for every religeous atrocity ever?
"In essence you want to boss the world"
How exactly am I trying to "boss the world"?
The problem of evil has always been and will always be a thorn in the heart of theists.
not really , short answer "He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned." Al anbiyaa-23
But there are other explanation
2. With free choice and well, evil comes so it is a test for us..
3. Let us see those atheists what they did when they ruled, Stalin, and his massacre, Pol Pot , Mao etc.. they were ruthless, did not allow people even to call their children certain names like Mohammad, ask Muslims in those region under communist atheists. If you try to run away from their rotten countries, where they govern, they would shoot you, they know that it is rotten that is why they did not allow them to travel. They had a chance to show us their moral, and they show it by mascaraing people like cattle.
Hypocrisy But God does not forget nor forgive such acts.
Was anyone else amazed that he was her father the whole time?
rencrow my last name is Jones, I don’t usually assume people with that name may have some relation to me.
I think the understanding of the fitra should have been discussed in greater detail regarding the matter of inherently having good morals. Besides that, great job :D
I think it means, every human has a natural tendency to not want to harm others for nothing, except for psychopaths
Go meta
IMHO Dr Shabir Ally had the answer in his first sentence. We Humans can only understand the World around us, and our life in it through our individual and imperfect view. We apply labels such as "suffering" and "evil" based on how We experience life and not how God sees it. The whole idea of Islam is to submit to God's view and not our own.
Why does God make babies suffer horrible deaths by starvation, maladies, disease, etc? Babies can't understand submission.
Bruno Rhagalcus the people who are unaware of submission, such as those with mental diseases, goes to heaven
@@benkabbou02 You have to know that doesn't answer my question. The suffering is still needless no matter the result.
@@brunorhagalcus6132 Suffering is the price we pay for being alive. Due to circumstances or nature or personality some may suffer more and some may suffer less but we all suffer. What makes us who we are is what we do about that suffering. Of itself, there is no reasoning about suffering because it is not a Rational event anymore than, say, gravity. After all, if you fall and bang your head you hurt and if you rise in a hot air balloon you are thrilled. Either way it's the same gravity. Suffering is much the same. It is neither good nor bad. It just is.
@@brucesims3228 You're moving the goalpost. You correlated suffering with submission as the goal of Allah, not simply cause and effect. A baby suffering and dying never understood what suffering is let alone suffering as submission to anything; therefore, they needlessly suffered. You didn't refute this.
ALLAH gave us the option to choose
If the universe is meaningless so it is the statement that it is so
I’m so frustrated by all these imams directly evading the question and answering something else...🤦🏻♀️
Sometimes the best people in the world and God's instruments are in no particular religion no religion can Define everything about a person God looks at a person deeper than what their religion is religion Hardly tells anything about a person and these religious leaders priest imám rabbis they don't really know anything about God they only know what they've been taught according to their religion a historical God and a religious God is two different things besides Christianity Islam and Judaism has been tooken from ancient cultures from the past most of the followers of religions don't even research their faiths they just follow there's more to God religion and human history and what the main three religions tell us the only pieces of the puzzle they have and they're very few pieces the leaders of religions are always eager to teach rodino research and don't want to learn from any other source and what they think that is true so narrow-minded these people are and they put God in a box like jelly only one Chosen and no one else can be your few words inspired me to write this write out the blue what you said was helpful I hope what I said made sense to you if God wants to guide someone and do it up close and person not through a religion but through your personal soul have a good day God bless
@@person10 in Mom's priests and rabbis they don't know much they only know what the religion tells them a history of God and Mankind go way deeper than what religion tells us are moms priests and rabbis only have a smidgen of actual history they don't know too much themselves
Person 1864308244 and what comes to their mind, They are still humans just like us. Sometimes they have the direct response in their minds and sometimes not. Allah is the one whose knowledge doesn’t have limits. Alhamdulillah
@@danielbusiness1135 too bad Christianity Islam and Judaism borrowed all then ideas Concepts and stories from ancient cultures every story in the Bible and Quran the Greeks Egyptians Sumerians ancient Africans had them first the major three religions of the world today very Collective religions claiming somebody else's story what a shame
God doesn’t just allow suffering. God freely, knowingly and unnecessarily intends suffering.
The Quran doesn’t say that Allah isn’t evil. That’s the reason why the problem of evil doesn’t apply to the god of the Quran.
The answer by Shabir Ally about why there is suffering is not convincing enough. All religious people give some waffle when it comes to suffering.
Kevin Mzi this life is just a test , and tests have right answers and wrong answers
@@travelingwithtaqwa3862 Tell that to someone who is suffering, he will give you slap. It's amazing those who talk about suffering are sitting in mansions and collecting money via charity.
Kevin Mzi your certainty that I’m not suffering shows a closed mind my friend
.does the merciful and wise God who thought over and then engaged created a deliberate imperfect world had things like children having cancer,or infants born without sight in his mind. ..did God intend all this in his scheme of imperfection.?
jagannadhan rangarajan everything has purpose for it, the only perfect is God
i hope this video gets more views
brilliant😍😍😍😍😍
Praise be to Allah subhanallah for creating the brain always on the quest for reason...