Rad video man. I record guitars and bass this way but got some great tips from this. Like using a separate track for tracking and moving them down to the proper tracks. As well as take folders for the small parts. I usually turn take folders off when tracking this way and keep hitting record until I get a one I like. Using take folders and finding the one you like and then flattening it is a much more efficient way to do it. I have found doing small sections and getting it right at the tracking stage is way easier and faster then editing after the fact. Even though it takes a long time it is worth it. Also easier then having a bunch of takes in folders and swipe editing. Good stuff dude. I would love to see you do a acoustic drum editing video. Drum editing is the one thing that I feel sucks in Logic I get crazy artifacts and I have tried all the techniques and still never sounds that great. I have had success moving every hit to be on grid manually but I am sure there is a better way. Keep up the good work.
Thanks my friend! Glad you got something out of the video! And yeah I agree with you dude! Where do you land on the debate about it not sounding as ‘real’ or ‘natural’? And yeah I actually used to lose my mind editing drums in logic! Flex just doesn’t work well enough. I saw a tutorial from the URM guys about detecting transients in logic and then using the ‘slice at transient markers’ function. You can then quantise the sliced regions and that gets you in a good place to move individual hits like you said. Great video suggestion though! I’ll add that to my to do list! Thank you
I usually let the note ring out or go ahead and play the first note/chord of the next section, then cut it out with a new take to finish it out. That way it aounds like a really smooth single take.
I'd never thought about letting the note ring out. Very useful. I've been having some trouble getting some guitars to sound smooth at a spot where I'd looped them. I bet if I'd let the notes carry over for editing purposes, it would work better. As for making sure the bass is in tune, I use Melodyne's pitch correction plugin. It doesn't work so well for polyphonic instruments like guitar, but with instruments where you're only playing one note at a time like bass it works great. I go through and move every note that's more than 5 cents off into tune. I don't worry about it if it's 5 cents or less because I want it to sound natural. Instruments shouldn't be perfectly in tune. And you're not going to hear a 3-cent discrepancy anyway.
Thank you! That’s exactly the struggle I was having. Do you record the bass before you record guitars then? Back when I used Melodyne (2008/2009) it used to reduce the top end of the bass, which is why I stopped using it. Sounds like they’ve sorted that now? Maybe I’ll grab the free trial. Do you use it for tuning vocals? I manually edit with autotune but it takes me ages!
I love this video. Got some great tips for tracking. I’ve tried making my recordings as tight as possible but didn’t know how to do it this well. Could you make a video about how you program bass? I generally record with my P bass but it would be nice to be able to program it for the writing phase so I don’t have to switch instruments when I want to hear how it sounds with bass.
@@RYVENANT yeah that’s right. I really like punkbass and the transients on it are great. Sometimes I need to pull out a bit of 2 kHz. It’s probably not all that versatile but for fast aggressive bass it’s great. I’ve never tried grovebass so I couldn’t compare. I do also like inferno bass from odeholm audio. If you do go with grovebass, let me know how you find it!
Dude, so glad I’ve found this series. Long time guitarist looking to get back into home recording. I might try and split up my guitar parts as you’ve shown here - I mainly play faster punk rock and it’s not as ‘segmented’ - any tips on how best to pick where the break things up? What’s the longest you’d want to be actively recoding a single part for?
Awesome dude! Glad it’s been helpful! Yeah I’m my opinion I think it’s cool to hear the chord changes and stuff like that when it’s a rhythm chorus part or similar. In those cases I would do the whole chord progression before it repeats and then ensure that the pick attack of the first chord hits with the drums bang on the grid, then let your feel take over until it repeats. Sometimes if you have any sudden stops or staccato parts in would do those separately and make sure they were bang in with the groove of the song. Hope that helps!
Thank you! The drum shells are Modern & Massive from GGD and the cymbals are from Drumforge but yes all programmed. I would’ve blended in a couple of extra samples too. I believe I go through the drums in these videos actually: bit.ly/3HwUFuV bit.ly/3HAR7I1 bit.ly/40tRKvJ
Thank you buddy! It’s a LTD MH-1000 with an evertune bridge and the pick ups are EMG 85s on the neck and 81s on the bridge. And no there’s no DI, just straight into my Audient iD4 interface. I’ve been thinking about getting a countryman DI though!
Yeah I would’ve had the amp sim running while I recorded it so that it felt like playing with a real amp. I would then bypass the amp sim and check that the take was good. I find that the distortion can sometimes mask little mistakes like accidentally strumming an open string.
Well from my days interning at studios pretty much all the senior engineers would just make sure they were just about hitting the yellow on the meters, so I’ve always stuck with that. But I would say when you’re recording into an interface and you’re in the digital world then as long as it doesn’t clip then it doesn’t matter too much. You can just turn it down afterwards so that the level going into your amp sim is best for whatever amp sim you’re using. The manual usually says what db the plugin is calibrated to. With digital there’s not really a noise floor so being a little too quiet isn’t always a problem either but the one caveat to all this is that as you’re recording you want your amp sim to sound its best so that you enjoy what you hear and produce some good takes. Sorry that was an essay! But hopefully that helped in some way!
@@TerryBeckleyRecordingwould you use a compressor when recording so the signal doesn't clip? Won't bringing up the gain at a later stage, bring up unwanted noise? tx!
Hey Adam. For this song it was GGD Modern & Massive and then some samples layered in. My mix walkthrough for that song is here: th-cam.com/play/PLpRfaymsxWat0I-x-K_nVJSWmiSs1KHtI.html If you wanted to take a look
I’m recording in mono but I’m recording double tracks of all the rhythm parts. So once it’s all recorded, I’ll pan one track 100% left and the other 100% right. Then I’ll join them into a stereo file. That way I can set the amp sim to stereo and dial in the tone so that both left and right guitars have the exact same settings
Why are you doing it this way though? It doesn't sound very natural. I've had more natural and better sounding results by recording longer takes, cutting together the best parts and retracking the parts that weren't good enough. Still you should always hold yourself to high standards.
It depends on the sound you’re after doesn’t it. If you want a more relaxed and loose feel then you wouldn’t do it like this. But in my productions everything is bang on the grid, so if that’s not your thing then this method isn’t for you. In my opinion there are no rights or wrong, just different methods for certain outcomes 👍🏻
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Rad video man. I record guitars and bass this way but got some great tips from this. Like using a separate track for tracking and moving them down to the proper tracks. As well as take folders for the small parts. I usually turn take folders off when tracking this way and keep hitting record until I get a one I like. Using take folders and finding the one you like and then flattening it is a much more efficient way to do it. I have found doing small sections and getting it right at the tracking stage is way easier and faster then editing after the fact. Even though it takes a long time it is worth it. Also easier then having a bunch of takes in folders and swipe editing. Good stuff dude. I would love to see you do a acoustic drum editing video. Drum editing is the one thing that I feel sucks in Logic I get crazy artifacts and I have tried all the techniques and still never sounds that great. I have had success moving every hit to be on grid manually but I am sure there is a better way. Keep up the good work.
Thanks my friend! Glad you got something out of the video! And yeah I agree with you dude! Where do you land on the debate about it not sounding as ‘real’ or ‘natural’?
And yeah I actually used to lose my mind editing drums in logic! Flex just doesn’t work well enough. I saw a tutorial from the URM guys about detecting transients in logic and then using the ‘slice at transient markers’ function. You can then quantise the sliced regions and that gets you in a good place to move individual hits like you said. Great video suggestion though! I’ll add that to my to do list! Thank you
I usually let the note ring out or go ahead and play the first note/chord of the next section, then cut it out with a new take to finish it out. That way it aounds like a really smooth single take.
Yeah that sounds great! Might be a tad quicker workflow wise too!
I'd never thought about letting the note ring out. Very useful. I've been having some trouble getting some guitars to sound smooth at a spot where I'd looped them. I bet if I'd let the notes carry over for editing purposes, it would work better.
As for making sure the bass is in tune, I use Melodyne's pitch correction plugin. It doesn't work so well for polyphonic instruments like guitar, but with instruments where you're only playing one note at a time like bass it works great. I go through and move every note that's more than 5 cents off into tune. I don't worry about it if it's 5 cents or less because I want it to sound natural. Instruments shouldn't be perfectly in tune. And you're not going to hear a 3-cent discrepancy anyway.
Thank you! That’s exactly the struggle I was having.
Do you record the bass before you record guitars then? Back when I used Melodyne (2008/2009) it used to reduce the top end of the bass, which is why I stopped using it. Sounds like they’ve sorted that now? Maybe I’ll grab the free trial. Do you use it for tuning vocals? I manually edit with autotune but it takes me ages!
Your videos are a life saver, man, thank you
Awesome to hear, thank you! I hope they’ve been useful!
I love this video. Got some great tips for tracking. I’ve tried making my recordings as tight as possible but didn’t know how to do it this well.
Could you make a video about how you program bass? I generally record with my P bass but it would be nice to be able to program it for the writing phase so I don’t have to switch instruments when I want to hear how it sounds with bass.
Thank you! Really glad it was helpful! Yeah I think that video would be a good idea! I’ll add it to my to do list, thank you 🙏🏻
@@TerryBeckleyRecording this the PunkBass in the video right? How do you like it? I'm debating between the PunkBass and the grovebass
@@RYVENANT yeah that’s right. I really like punkbass and the transients on it are great. Sometimes I need to pull out a bit of 2 kHz. It’s probably not all that versatile but for fast aggressive bass it’s great. I’ve never tried grovebass so I couldn’t compare. I do also like inferno bass from odeholm audio. If you do go with grovebass, let me know how you find it!
Dude, so glad I’ve found this series. Long time guitarist looking to get back into home recording. I might try and split up my guitar parts as you’ve shown here - I mainly play faster punk rock and it’s not as ‘segmented’ - any tips on how best to pick where the break things up? What’s the longest you’d want to be actively recoding a single part for?
Awesome dude! Glad it’s been helpful! Yeah I’m my opinion I think it’s cool to hear the chord changes and stuff like that when it’s a rhythm chorus part or similar. In those cases I would do the whole chord progression before it repeats and then ensure that the pick attack of the first chord hits with the drums bang on the grid, then let your feel take over until it repeats. Sometimes if you have any sudden stops or staccato parts in would do those separately and make sure they were bang in with the groove of the song. Hope that helps!
Are these real drums? If not, what plugin did you use?thanks! great work man.
Thank you! The drum shells are Modern & Massive from GGD and the cymbals are from Drumforge but yes all programmed. I would’ve blended in a couple of extra samples too.
I believe I go through the drums in these videos actually:
bit.ly/3HwUFuV
bit.ly/3HAR7I1
bit.ly/40tRKvJ
Great video, mate, what is your guitar and it's pickups? do you used any DI box in between your guitar and audio interface?
Thank you buddy! It’s a LTD MH-1000 with an evertune bridge and the pick ups are EMG 85s on the neck and 81s on the bridge.
And no there’s no DI, just straight into my Audient iD4 interface. I’ve been thinking about getting a countryman DI though!
@@TerryBeckleyRecording thanks mate, awesome, appreciate
so helpful man, thank you!
Thank you! Really glad it was useful!
nice i needed this
Thank you! I’m glad it’s helped 👍🏻
My latency buffer lag but 128 bits only for 32 bits no way
Bring a course out dude
I am thinking about it dude! Cheers for the encouragement!
Did your amp sim remain active while recording your rhythm guitar??
Yeah I would’ve had the amp sim running while I recorded it so that it felt like playing with a real amp. I would then bypass the amp sim and check that the take was good. I find that the distortion can sometimes mask little mistakes like accidentally strumming an open string.
Incredible video! Thank you!
Do you think you could make a video on where you set your velocities for midi drums for shells, overheads, etc?
Thank you for saying! And yeah man, I was thinking about whether a video on programming drums might be useful so thanks, I will make sure I do it now!
What input level would you suggest for guitars? I’ve heard -18db is a good starting point…but does it matter as long as it’s not clipping?
Well from my days interning at studios pretty much all the senior engineers would just make sure they were just about hitting the yellow on the meters, so I’ve always stuck with that. But I would say when you’re recording into an interface and you’re in the digital world then as long as it doesn’t clip then it doesn’t matter too much. You can just turn it down afterwards so that the level going into your amp sim is best for whatever amp sim you’re using. The manual usually says what db the plugin is calibrated to.
With digital there’s not really a noise floor so being a little too quiet isn’t always a problem either but the one caveat to all this is that as you’re recording you want your amp sim to sound its best so that you enjoy what you hear and produce some good takes.
Sorry that was an essay! But hopefully that helped in some way!
@@TerryBeckleyRecordingwould you use a compressor when recording so the signal doesn't clip? Won't bringing up the gain at a later stage, bring up unwanted noise? tx!
What drum plug-in do you use?
Hey Adam. For this song it was GGD Modern & Massive and then some samples layered in.
My mix walkthrough for that song is here: th-cam.com/play/PLpRfaymsxWat0I-x-K_nVJSWmiSs1KHtI.html
If you wanted to take a look
Are u recording in stereo or mono ?
I’m recording in mono but I’m recording double tracks of all the rhythm parts. So once it’s all recorded, I’ll pan one track 100% left and the other 100% right. Then I’ll join them into a stereo file. That way I can set the amp sim to stereo and dial in the tone so that both left and right guitars have the exact same settings
Buy a pot of drum moongel instead of using tape of your strings fellas. Stops all the sticky crap getting everywhere!
Oh good idea! I will give that a try
Why are you doing it this way though? It doesn't sound very natural. I've had more natural and better sounding results by recording longer takes, cutting together the best parts and retracking the parts that weren't good enough. Still you should always hold yourself to high standards.
It depends on the sound you’re after doesn’t it. If you want a more relaxed and loose feel then you wouldn’t do it like this. But in my productions everything is bang on the grid, so if that’s not your thing then this method isn’t for you. In my opinion there are no rights or wrong, just different methods for certain outcomes 👍🏻
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