Epic NEW Kit! YOU Can BUILD and FLY - Archon Aircraft
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ส.ค. 2022
- debuts for the 1st time at EAA Oshkosh 2022 hailing from the country of Greece. This will be available in kit form very soon for you Builders!
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Hello aviators..As a Greek I am very glad to see people appreciate a totally Greek experimental aircraft designed and built by an aviation enthusiast in Florina.This is totally the opposite from what is happening in Greece. Rejection... rejection....rejection...in everything..
Good ol’ Florina Man!
We have Florida Man here in the USA.
Really something to hear the builder had to source something 3hrs away especially metal fab.
As a blah blah im blah blah blah 🙄
@@nick-dm3if wow, a standup gentleman here. If you haven’t got anything good to say -
@@nick-dm3if *As a person who has nothing valuable to say*
It would be so cool to see this thing with the little jet engine that is currently in the SubSonex.
I believe... something of that nature is in the works. And... possibly a 2 seater! Thank You for stopping by!
If I wanted to drop $70K+ to build a jet, it definitely wouldn't have a strut-braced wing. But get it cheap enough and I might be tempted to buy it because it's cute and has a unique look. But it doesn't look especially fun to fly. 110 cruise? 155 Vne? Meh.
it would sound like a jet but not fly like one. if you want a subsonex build one.
it has enough room for several. how about three. one center top, two in the ducts.
It's possible but not certified, means low in sales.. Means company failure , soo
The hardest part about getting this ready to fly at your local airport will be ignoring the hysterical laughter from onlookers.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who finds this plane hilarious. 😂
No, any one that is laughing is a joke. Those types of people are easy to ignore.
A 110mph cruise from 40hp is really impressive.
That big open area probably reduces the frontal cross section a lot! Very cool design!
And its weight might be in microlight range, so this could sell well for that market.
Just imagine 140hp!
@@dmartyair kind of scary how much faster that would be. Can't imagine LS kit flyers with a 200+ rocket.
What's the RCS
It's like a mini F-22, beautiful!
It just doesn't give that F-22 vibe.
Not even close.
Sir Simon...we looking at the same aircraft? Cheers
That's a fancy looking coffin.
I can't believe "you went there" (I didn't say it wasn't funny... just that you went there:)
She’s a little rough but it’s also a prototype, love the design .
Also extremely expensive. They want $35,000 just for the kit and that does not include the engine. A Cessna 150 would set you back $50,000 at the most, so you could either buy this aluminum deathtrap or get a proper airplane. The Cessna is also safer and has a lot more features and cargo room.
Those wrinkles in between the 2 gentlemen were driving me crazy!
@@nitroxylictv Where do you see Cessna's for $50K? I think you missed a zero. The most popular kit planes in the country cost $30K.
As a fellow ultralight pilot of a nearby airclub here in Greece, i can say one thing about this guys there. They are amazing engineers and manufacturers and pilots also and i guarantee that this plane is a class one light aircraft. Plz help this guy and buy this aircraft if you are in this field of ultralight and light aircrafts and have this hobby in some airclub. Its amazing....
Greetings from Hellas-Greece Makedonia 🇬🇷
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Or even without a club.
This thing flys around quite nicely with a forty something HP engine, has retractable landing gear, and will scoot along at over 110 mph, and has a stall speed down around 40 mph. That in itself is quite remarkable, But the first thing everyone wants to do is stuff a big heavy 150 to 300 hp motor in it. I bet this would be a super sweet plane with a lighter 85 to 125 hp engine in it. You start stuffing big hp in this thing, you start having to basically redesign the whole plane to carry that hp and extra weight. Then you start defeating the whole purpose for this planes existence.
stuff three small turbines in, two below the wing in the ducts, one on center back. add afterburners. add a canard with a good surface area. make the wing spars stronger, rate for 10 g's.
I agree Rambler
A rotax 912 would be perfect.
I love your idea
A small radar ranging radar in the nose and dual .22LR machine guns in wing root
Niceeee
@@timbrwolf1121Personally I'm thinking the 914, for hot/high operation. And my rough math, based on the sparse performance info, guestinates the 914 with a constant speed 3 blade could get at least a 2500 fpm rate of climb.
Built a lot of these prop-in-slot foamie RC planes, they flew exceptionally well.
Looks very stable and controllable with prop airflow over so much of the wing and control surfaces. Is that how they fly as RC?
I was just thinking that same thing.. I always thought if I could make a small one fly.. I could build a bigger ish one. Lol
Looks like my foamie f15 or f22
@@LoanwordEggcorn
Yes very much so, capable of very slow high AOA flight, or ripping fast! they’re very fun to fly.
This one just needs some more power and it should be a winner.
@@c1d2e Thanks! This similar design may make for a pretty safe human plane for similar reasons.
We had a metal framed fuselage Fisher Celebrity bi-plane as my dad scratch built a Steen Skybolt. I thought that plane was a great design and solid plane. They definitely have lots of experience as a kit manufacturer even though this is a first.
Seems very nice aerodynamically. Should get lift from the lower wing even at low speeds due to the prop airflow, which also energizes airflow at the empennage. Should be quite controllable and stable, including at lower speeds. Like it!
It was definitely one of the most interesting new planes at Oshkosh this year.
You need medical help, urgently.
David - you are a scholar and a gentelman 🖖
Giorgos did an incredible job and he created his aeroplane from scratch. It is not for everyone but those who wish to buy will be very happy! I know Giorgos and the aeroplane itself
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A build center is a brilliant idea, I hope to see this come to fruition soon.
Don't expect the FAA to assist you. The FAA is not your friend. FAA people will tell you that they'd rather ground a GA airplane idea than allow it to fly.
@@jamesburns2232 Sad but true
@jamesburns2232 Ingratitude and delusion in one post! Congrats! What a load of anarchist MAGA crap. Without the FAA, GA in the USA a) would not exist with the world-leading flexibility, strength, safety, and variety it does b) if it existed would daily demonstrate homicidal/suicidal irresponsibility. PS the FAA was ready to do a fast simple expansion of SP/LSA weight and speed adding retracts etc until Dan Johnson of LAMA and Roy Beisswinger of UL/gyro started meddling demanding commercial applications of ABSOLUTELY NO BENEFIT to 99% of users... bogging down MOSAIC.
I dont have one but if i ever have to get one or build one it would be this i think this is pretty decent.
If she blows, our goose will be cooked. "HOLY SUFFERING PSYCHING DEMISE!"
I've been looking at this plane since it first came out. I just love the looks and the performance looks great. Very stable
I love the basic layout of this aircraft. It looks to have huge potential. I can't wait to see what it looks like in a couple of years.
I saw this aeroplane about three years ago,,, and whooooee!!! this is the kit to get.... and stick a jet in it what great looking kitplane... !!!! I WANT ONE OR TWO :)...
I went to the archon site and watched a bunch of their videos and read their specs I wonder if a 4 or 5 blade propellor would change its sound or performance significantly.
This could be very interesting concept if it had a variable pitch propeller. But as a concept plane, it's looking very sleek and compact 👍.
Love the idea of the pusher prop.
How does it glide on dead stick?
I have so many questions...😬😅.
I'd love to build one as a scale down model just for the fun. Great job guys.
Incredible. Kudos to the Greek inventor..
Talked to company at Osh workmanship was very bad needs improvement in kit was told cost around 42K it looks cool wish best of luck to Fisher
Got to give the guy some credit to have the balls to go in with a venture like this as to the best of my knowledge kit plane market is hard to stay viable and I'd imagine profitable.
Right, but that's definitely a unique design to try it with. I'd imagine there'll be quite a bit of interest.
This aircraft has an E-prop RC aircraft design vibe going on. Neat.
Again another great video. These guys should be paying you for your interviews.
I’m sold when the two seater comes out I’m getting one.
Thanks again great video
Amazing !!an affortable litle fighter for everyone !!! it flies very easy like all ultralight !! thank you ! another beautyfull video!
What a COOL looking aircraft!!! Where has this been all of my life?!
Looks cool. I'd love to build one and get all the seams right and take the wrinkles out. Or better yet, upscale it slightly and convert it to a foam and carbon fiber construction.
I was wondering about the foam/CF version too.
I’ve built many airplanes. It surprises people to learn foam and glass is quite heavy. Yes it could be done. But heavy. Tube and fabric. Or wood and fabric is very light.
@@buzzypeterson1147 Carbon Fiber is light though.
@@MRxMADHATTER actually you’d be surprised. Not as light as you’d think by the time you are done. Plus the Regitity of carbon is a problem. I had a buddy build a wood core composite plane called a kr2. It was very successful in fiberglass. There were many built. The issue is he did his in carbon 100% and it delaminated because the carbon is so stiff. It’s very hard and will delam from the core. That is why cirrus uses very little carbon fiber in their planes. They are actually 90% regular fiberglass.
@@buzzypeterson1147 I understand that. I used to build. the F-35 and other planes out of carbon. You can't just use carbon by itself. You have to have a framework to attach it to. Also, it helps to use the right resin when doing the lay ups and then cureing it in an autoclave. That strengthens the carbon quite a bit. Also you can go a little bit thicker without adding much weight. Also layups need to be done in vacum bags to remove the excess resin. Resin is the weak link in carbon fiber. I would not recomend a monocoque design in pure carbon. It can be done but that makes it heavier. To keep it light you need just the right combination of metal formers, stringers, bulkheads, etc. I know it would work if it's engineered right, because I've done it myself.
I have ah important question to ask:
What’s the radar cross-section like? How stealthy it is?
My thoughts exactly he definitely took inspiration from 5 gen aircraft
Haha - looks to be aluminum, right? So probably not very stealthy, but that's okay. More important is that it's aerodynamically stable and safe.
A size of a Honda Accord sedan.
Most definitely a small jet engine, & a few more refinements. This Lil F-22 mini me would make an awesome little performer. 🇺🇸
Absolutely beautiful aircraft, my hats off to the Greek that came up with this and glad it has graced our shores. Hope to have one one day
Must have great Stealth properties with all those angled flat panels !!
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Make it out of foam instead? Someone should get Peter Sripol on this.
Good job Greek flying Geeks! Awesome!
Good for you FFP! Best of luck going forward.
I've always wanted to learn to fly. When I was a kid, they told me not unless I had 20/20 vision. Now, with lasic, I wish I at least did the training and simulator hours when I was younger, and my Dad would have been able to pay for it all for me. Now I am turning 40 this month(November 26th 2023) and I am poor'ish, and it's just a failed past dream of mine. 😢 so jealous of all you pilots.
This thing is awesome. I once had a dream I was flying a big toy fighter jet. It’s fun flying a Seminole, but I need this.
Could do with a bit of a re-design. Re-engineer it to eliminate the strut braces, cowl the engine, improve the nose gear door, and built it strong enough to handle at least sportsman aerobatics.
I was at Oshkosh and the guy said that the actual kit will have many improvements. Such as a bubble canopy. The build quality on this was built as a beta or alpha model. I think it was assembled quick to make Oshkosh.
Right! I'd like to see it rated for 6 gees continuous and the Vne upped to at least 170 Knots.
@Major Chungus - bubble canopy sounds awesome, and probably not that hard to do. Current version looks like WW2-fighter canopy. They said they'll bring in electromechanical actuators for the landing gear, to replace hydraulics, since electromechanical is more reliable and can also be lighter. I think they also ought to try a self-feathering or variable-pitch prop.
@Timothy Campbell - do you think that airframe can handle 170 knots? That "intake" configuration looks like it might be too draggy for that.
@@manofsan Remember this is a hand built prototype we're Looking at. With only a 40hp engine in it and a fixed pitch prop the designers are getting 120mph out of it. With some drag reduction detail changes and a Rotax 915 with a constant speed prop I think it could do 200. And still keep it's 40 knot stall speed.
You need to put bright orange blue LED round lights that look like two engine afterburners that would be cool
That is really thinking out of the box that puts a different perspective on homebuilt. That performance/HP is incredible. And looking at it, makes so much sense.
Very very exciting!
It's hard to make a comment - It looks totally new and an open challenge for many motors (Yamaha 300 HP) - even Electric with a small gas gen for a Hybrid for going the distance with hard point mounts for ether torpedo gas tanks or 2 torpedo shaped Honda 45 cc gas generators wing mounted to aid the electric motor.
I know there is a 75 hp electric motor with prop pitch control already available. I really enjoyed seeing something new that caught my interest ! ! !
Don't ultralights have fuel tank restrictions?
VERY cool! Wondering if triangular reinforcing plate welded to the main gear axles&uprights wouldn't be easy and welcome to prevent bending axles on hard landings (9:15 in vid). Best of luck getting these into production!!!
I'm glad Textron finally found a buyer for the Scorpion. 👍
I love it!
There are so many ways to fly!
I'm surprised that homebuilt planes like this don't use motorcycle engines. A 998 CC Honda engine produces 183 HP, and running at 50% throttle that should still be close to 90hp, with LOTS to spare. They're also really reliable engines, liquid cooled, electronic fuel injection, and lightweight. And it also runs on Premium pump gas - no leaded AVgas needed. Mind you, a pair of PBS TJ-100 jet engines tucked into the aft end of those tunnels would be sweet, and provide some redundancy in case one of them flames out.
Motorcycles engines have a useless integrated transmission that adds useless weight. Removing the transmission is extremely complex.
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And that's where the Yamaha Apex 1,000 cc inline four cylinder snowmobile engine comes in. It's very similar to the R1 bike engine but without the multi speed gearbox.
I am extremely interested in the idea of a kit built jet. Especially with Biden saying you need an F15 to fight the government
@@NoBaconForYou 😂😂😂
13:15 wow that world-renowned Greek fit and finish.
YIKES!!
I think a Ball Peen hammer is included in the flight kit
Those are speed wrinkles. They help with laminar flow and cut down on wing tip vortices so you don't inadvertently flip a dash 8 or something.
@@juliogonzo2718 Yes of course! Thank you for clarifying!!
Ouch!
This looks FUN! Will be watching for more vids of this!!
There has certainly been a long time to get to this point. Good to hear it will soon be available to builders. I first came across the Archon SF-1 in 2018. I thought it would make an interesting r/c model, too.
That is super cool. Interested in the tandem model when it comes out.
Can't wait for a jet design 👍 love this one though
I am very much honoured to know the designer personaly! He is a genious and more importantly, a very good man. I ve seen this amaizing plane flying..... really impressed!!!
Looks fun, don’t stop developing this!
This heavily reminds me of a style of scratch built RC planes. "RC Powers" made a lot of these sort of designs. I always wondered if it would work full scale.
I know the biggest downfall of this design type is the mid prop blowing over the tail section makes them extremely loud acts like a reed.
But great tail(elevator and rudder) authority.
Hercules!
It's a slotted prop, which means half the noise is being deflected upward, away from the ground
Thanks for your video.
This bird needs a nice low and sleek canopy to conform to the fuselage without those two longtitudinal top support runners .
It also needs an adequate roll bar behind the pilots head.
Hopefully it is a 'hit' in the marketplace.
Kind of like the F22 Raptor.
I spoke with the designer, this is just a prototype, more of a proof of concept. There will be a number of changes in the kit, including a blown canopy.
I've seen many prototypes at OSHKOSH over the years. I wouldn't put anything down on it until there is a flying copy built from the kit and flown off the restrictions.
Yup. A bubble perspex....!
Great video great view Airplane ✈️ great show.
Its an ultra light with the aero dynamics of a fighter jet... way cool!!!
Congratulations ! welcome innovation
Thanks for saying hello Diego!
Before it was model airplanes that looked like real airplanes and now it is the other way around. Don't get me wrong , I really like this aircraft and way of thinking :)
Loved seeing this at EAA
I'd love to get ahold of one of these and tinker with the design a bit. Excellent idea, hopefully they can iron out any kinks and lower the price.
Always nice to see new designs however from some angles maybe ok but others it just reminds me of a box kite made to kind of look like a fighter plane.
Agree it could use some design refinements
Makes an ultralight look well-built
This looks like an RC foam pusher jet… this is cool!
That wing tip must churn up a tornado, might experiment with a vortex limiting diffuser, it will drop your stall speed to about 30-35, and pick you up in ground effect at about 20-25 (rough estimate from a perfect internet world I know, but it could occur , and thats an easy addon)
Anyway, looks awesome works great, 40hp pulling 100 knots is pretty efficient judging by my not so up to date exposure.
Best looking Ultralight I've ever seen.
Just wondering what would happened if you built a hoop around the propeller.
It might be a little quieter and even possibly be more efficient and
maybe more stable.
Kinda like a Fantrainer?
Such a neat design!
Good interview
Please build an A10, I think it would lend better to the finish work on the metal that this prototype needs.
Momma always said if you don't have anything nice to say...
@BellyUpFish : Sooo...... the silence of your comment says it all! 😉
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That is fantastic !!!
Great idea!
Stealth characteristics, even if just in emulation, is an aerodynamic compromise. The aircraft would almost certainly be better if it weren't designed to look stealth.
Where's the fun in that?
Plus all the drag that intake duct causes.
Being such an efficient fuselage design it would be great for an electric propulsion system!
Saw this on a trailer in Michigan and then later that week in Oshkosh at Airventure! Looks cool.
Beautiful design.
Excellent, is there an electric version yet. Very nice design, I'm an ex Air Force airframe repair specialist and this looks really easy to build. Nicely done gentleman.🖖😎👍🛩️
I dont think they'll be making an electric version anytime soon since it would make it too heavy unless you only want to fly it for 20 minutes. Its the one thing thats holding back electric cars and vehicles the weight of the batteries to the storage capacity.
This is beautiful! 😊 It also looks much safer than most entry-level prop/glide planes.
Looks like a low poly model from a PS1 game. And I'm all for it
Excellent Presentation. Well Done Sir.
I can see this thing taking off in a big way, truly unique looking aircraft.
The plane designer is a former police officer with no formal aviaction credentials, and this fact is alone is very impressive.
With CAD anything is possible.
It looks like a scaled up RC plane
Must have designed the plane to strafe people’s dogs and black children
Hope they can smooth out those lines. Looks like a flying sandbox
Fit and Finish could use some polish for sure. Let's see what the actual production models look like soon! Thanks for stopping by!
Oh this would be an excellent fun build!
This thing is cool. I heard Tom Cruise bought one to use as a chandelier.
Haha! Yeah? Or a Lawn Ornament maybe? Maybe... it will be a prop in one of his Next Mission Impossible movies! Thank You for watching!
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel At the price point of the kit I'm pretty sure the plane would be a lot cheaper than an art chandelier. Mount it upside down light it up cool...magic.
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Something that looks so nice should be able to cruise at least 180 mph. Otherwise, while it looks nice, it seems a bit too slow. It'll be interesting to see what the other engine options bring. It's on my radar. :-)
Vne is 155. This plane will do best at low speeds. It's still cool though!
That's a cool little plane! 👍🤓✈
Fantastic what a fun design thanks for the video 👍
It looks like something from the Ugandan air force.
😂😂😂😂😂
i would take better care poppin them transversal plates this dented stuff make it ugly and perform les due to drag ...other than that i would love to build one (make parts for them ) congratulations !!!!its beautiful
Beautiful fun makes sense small and personalized...propellers with a different design.basically is what it is...very smart...and yes...maybe soon we'll see.kit planes nice and sleek small and personalized and customizable with mini jet engines...and even other current different flying and levitating tech...I mean its 2022 and people should.know that we have many amazing things and resources and tools available to us where we can all.enjoy flight....we need some more personalized saucers though
Nice concept,nice design.
Best of luck with this project.
Looks like it was built in Kenya
Haha! Really? The lines could be cleaned up a bit couldn't they? Let's see what the "In Production Kit" looks like when they start rolling out.
Nah nah. This is the next gen F69 by Lockheed Martin For the US chairfoce. Thanks Joe Biden. LGB FJB!!!!
9:15 imagine the fail rate on this primitive gear setup. Best grease your landings.
If this thing is gonna be rated for light aerobatics I'm sold. The 2 place has been in the works too, and I love fresh designs.
I cant lie. I laughed at first. Cause its like looking at a ford pinto with Lambo doors on it. But then I'm kind of impressed that this was an actual kit that works. Good work.
Honestly just waiting for someone to come out with something like this driven by a Battery system with an Electric Motor like what Tesla's done with their cars, but to drive the propeller at a high RPM. I think it'd be interesting, but also quite challenging to see someone pull it off.
Battery mass is still the sticking point.
That was my thought too. Could make the build even easier, with less moving parts and less to maintain?
Interesting plane. Here's to hoping that fairly high cost doesn't destroy it before it even starts out. A single seater is a hard sell to begin with these days. As there isn't a flying version that is a proof of current kit also isn't helping this here (the low power version in Greece doesn't count here!). Methinks they might have jumped the gun on this possibly. I wish them the best for success though, it is a good looking and different plane, that might just be enough to do it.
The more I look at it, the cheaper it seems to be. Especially that nose gear door! Seems like it was built while they were drinking. Throw on a few paint ball guns, chase the teens around the range!
Agreed. Hopefully with modern manufacturing techniques this can be made more affordable. And only offered with more than 100HP (And well above) for the "GT" versions. :-)
@@drampadreg1386 It looked pretty poorly put together at OSH this year. Wasn't impressed at all.
Looks like one of my foam board RC airplane !!!!!!!!!!
BRAVO !!
"Mom I want a F22"
"We have a F22 at home"
F22 at home:
^^^This. So much this^^^
Are you five?