These scene, and indeed much of the movie, also involves Juzo Itami satire of how Japan is attempting to mimic what is seen as "western." When the film was created, there were etiquette classes available to those seeking to act more "western." The scene spoofs the whole notion because the class ends up doing exactly what the "western" man does, as opposed to what the teacher instructs the students to do to be proper for the "west."
Trust me, in Italy eating spaghetti silently is very good manners. But you will find people who slurp them a bit. Just to add to your point, in the sense that silent spaghetti is 100% a classy thing, but many do not care and make some noise anyway.
I think everyone here still has it wrong. i really think this is satire about the japanese way of trying to force everything to be perfect, even when they are just mimicking another culture's way of eating, instead of finding their own way of doing it. i've had this discussion about spaghetti with a japanese friend of mine who was upset because i cut my spaghetti (which is a swedish custom, we found our own way of doing it) while a lot of japanese seem to think you HAVE to eat spaghetti this way
@M4rsu I guess you can look at this scene in different ways. I don't think that when you don't make a lot of noise you necessarily enjoy food more. When I wrote that blurb about the scene I had in mind a conversation I had with a Japanese man. He was eating noodles quietly (not in Japan) and said that his parents would be angry (or ashamed, I can't remember) with him for eating that way. Because in their mind eating quietly is the impolite way, not because you don't enjoy the food that way.
You're right...it's entrancing LOL JK. Poor Noodle-sensei. Good thing she accepted what the students wanted to do though. I need to see this film again.
@M4rsu I think you are both right. The way the lady teaches how to eat spaghetti the western refined way makes her students loose the pleasure of eating. There is a shock of culture. The western guy tries the eastern (noisy) way to eat spaghetti as he may have heard it was the proper way to eat noodles/pasta and the eastern girls want to eat their spaghetti the western noiseless way. They are all wrong. It's not the way you eat, it's the pleasure you get that counts first.
Yeah, but still, this scene isn't comparing Western Vs Japanese way of eating spaghetti. And, yeah, neither makes you enjoy the food more, but it's about the easy going attitude vs following byzantine arbitrary rules.
for example the etiquette is learning them they HAVE to twirl the spaghetti with the fork in the spoon before they eat it, while the western guy (obviously an american) isn't doing that at all. once again because a lot of japanese believe you HAVE to eat it that way. I like to upset people by eating french fries with chopsticks
The poster of this vid obviously didn't understand anything. This scene doesn't contrast asian and western way of eating. It contrasts enjoying food or not enjoying it, it contrasts enjoying life or not enjoying it. That's the point of this scene, and i guess it's obvious for which of thse two alternatives the film wants us to choose. :) One of the best films ever.
For Japanese Making sound is a qualification of a dashing man (いなせな男) When eating noodles. Especially 江戸っ子(Edokko) meanig a man living in Tokyo loves to make a noise at eating noodles.
Hahaha they are eating spaghetti as they eat udon or other japanese noodles xD, I find it difficult tu slurp spaghetti that way haha with udon is really easy because it's a lot more slippery, so it's better to slup it cuz it's really hard to take it with the Chop sticks! XD
Noodles was one of China's gifts to the world. CHN don't need machines to make noodles. Slurping noodles is thee correct way to eat noodles, especially hot soup noodles.
If it really was about enjoying food, then there wouldn't have had the part about putting cheese or not, because cheese alters the taste of the dish. Since they're careful about putting cheese or not depending on what kind of dish it was, this scene is more about etiquette rather than enjoyment.
It's the darnedest thing; I suffer from misophonia (as I have since long, LONG before I became aware of the word, so no bandwagoneer am I), amd the noises he/ultimately they are making bother me much less than the noises SHE made did. Maybe it's because the former honestly sound less natural and human.
It's delicate, but definite. At first I thought perhaps the irony could be lost on a native viewer, but it appears as though she details it quite well. Though, I must say, watching all of them slurp spaghetti was quite painful...
@M4rsu but I thought we liked food for the taste.. not how we eat it, or how its presented. Psht, semantics. HA. You aren't going to slurp something that tastes like shit now are you
@kw271 I thought Japan was purposely trying to be assimilated by the West, since Asia (China, North Korea, and South Korea to be specific) in the east had immense Anti-Japanese sentiments (before WWII, when America started to do it). Then when WWII started, it was extremely hard because of the propaganda floating around.
凄いセンスだな
ワンシーンだけで映画本編を見たくなったの初めてですわ
このスパゲティをすすってた人こそが、日本に最初にスイーツブームを持ち込んだパティシエってのにビックリ
アンドレ・ルコント氏
これ、公開当時フランスでめちゃくちゃウケたってね
イギリスの劇場でこの作品観たけどそこでも爆笑の渦だったなぁ
日本国内ではなく、イギリスの劇場で観たなんて凄いですよね👍
These scene, and indeed much of the movie, also involves Juzo Itami satire of how Japan is attempting to mimic what is seen as "western." When the film was created, there were etiquette classes available to those seeking to act more "western." The scene spoofs the whole notion because the class ends up doing exactly what the "western" man does, as opposed to what the teacher instructs the students to do to be proper for the "west."
Trust me, in Italy eating spaghetti silently is very good manners. But you will find people who slurp them a bit. Just to add to your point, in the sense that silent spaghetti is 100% a classy thing, but many do not care and make some noise anyway.
この映画基本がラーメンなのよねそこにこのスパゲティっていう食い方真反対の食い物を当てる
監督のセンスの良さよ
惜しい人がいなくなったもんだ
I get a feeling that guy was trolling them the entire time.
[01:35] this camera closing in is simply the best part of the scene to me
このシーン小さい頃見たことがあって、ずっと気になっていましたが
やはり、伊丹十三先生の映画でしたか。
ダイソンを超えた吸引力
岡田茉莉子をキャスティングして岡田茉莉子が承諾したということが素敵。
Wow, I see that she is still alive at 91 years old
ミートソースやカルボナーラなら偉いことになりそう
これ、当時フランスで上映されたとき現地人に大ウケだったｗｗｗ
If you have never seen this movie, you really need to check it out. It's hallarious!
これ、フランスで上映されたときに現地で大うけしてたそうだね
I think everyone here still has it wrong. i really think this is satire about the japanese way of trying to force everything to be perfect, even when they are just mimicking another culture's way of eating, instead of finding their own way of doing it.
i've had this discussion about spaghetti with a japanese friend of mine who was upset because i cut my spaghetti (which is a swedish custom, we found our own way of doing it)
while a lot of japanese seem to think you HAVE to eat spaghetti this way
I think the Italians would be upset too.
The movie opens on a equally ludicrous “how to eat ramen” bit, so I’m tempted to say you’ve got it!
"Johnny cheese and hot" dem captions!
「外国では許されないのです」って。思い切りすすっているのは外国人（笑）
clearly the guy is honoring japanese customs
@M4rsu I guess you can look at this scene in different ways. I don't think that when you don't make a lot of noise you necessarily enjoy food more. When I wrote that blurb about the scene I had in mind a conversation I had with a Japanese man. He was eating noodles quietly (not in Japan) and said that his parents would be angry (or ashamed, I can't remember) with him for eating that way. Because in their mind eating quietly is the impolite way, not because you don't enjoy the food that way.
これ、マナー教室やってるのを知った外人がふざけてわざとやってる、という解釈でいいのかな
最初に店員に「アレ何やってんの？」と尋ねているし、「スプーンの中で静かに巻いて…」のくだりまでは外人もそうやって食べようとしているし…
このシーンもよぉ覚えてるわw
2:22皆んなでやれば恐くないが印象的です😁
You're right...it's entrancing LOL JK.
Poor Noodle-sensei. Good thing she accepted what the students wanted to do though.
I need to see this film again.
今伊丹監督が生きてたらどんな映画を
作って俺たちに見せてくれたろうか？
残念でならない
I feel like pasta tonight...
This was a classic
Geniaal de max eigenlijk! Waauw wat een scène! :)
@M4rsu I think you are both right. The way the lady teaches how to eat spaghetti the western refined way makes her students loose the pleasure of eating. There is a shock of culture. The western guy tries the eastern (noisy) way to eat spaghetti as he may have heard it was the proper way to eat noodles/pasta and the eastern girls want to eat their spaghetti the western noiseless way. They are all wrong. It's not the way you eat, it's the pleasure you get that counts first.
岡田茉莉子さんが
最後に両手でかっ込むのが腹痛い
Ok now I want ramen and spaghetti at same time
Yeah, but still, this scene isn't comparing Western Vs Japanese way of eating spaghetti. And, yeah, neither makes you enjoy the food more, but it's about the easy going attitude vs following byzantine arbitrary rules.
This is what happens when you go to a French restaurant and order spaghetti...
for example the etiquette is learning them they HAVE to twirl the spaghetti with the fork in the spoon before they eat it, while the western guy (obviously an american) isn't doing that at all.
once again because a lot of japanese believe you HAVE to eat it that way.
I like to upset people by eating french fries with chopsticks
"The dirty gaijin"
Great. Now I want Ramen
最近話題になってるヌードルハラスメント問題も扱ってる伊丹十三の先見性よ
The poster of this vid obviously didn't understand anything. This scene doesn't contrast asian and western way of eating. It contrasts enjoying food or not enjoying it, it contrasts enjoying life or not enjoying it. That's the point of this scene, and i guess it's obvious for which of thse two alternatives the film wants us to choose. :)
One of the best films ever.
For Japanese Making sound is a qualification of a dashing man (いなせな男) When eating noodles.
Especially 江戸っ子(Edokko) meanig a man living in Tokyo loves to make a noise at eating noodles.
そもそもフランス料理屋でスパゲッティなんかでないよね。
This scene kills me and I don't even know why.
oh god I died watching this scene
これ、当時おフランスで視たけど現地の人に大受けで笑www😂
🤣
あはは、外国にすら行った事が無い癖に😊
たんぽぽはいろんなアンチテーゼな映画でめっちゃ面白かった
I've tried slurping noodles but I almost chocked. I guess I don't have the technique... yet.. Although I will keep trying.
英文法の授業なんかも、アメリカ人からはこんな風に見えているのかも
スパゲティ茹でたので食べてたらふと思い出したので
すすりながら見てます。
日本人はすすりながら食うのが一番美味しい
Hahaha they are eating spaghetti as they eat udon or other japanese noodles xD, I find it difficult tu slurp spaghetti that way haha with udon is really easy because it's a lot more slippery, so it's better to slup it cuz it's really hard to take it with the Chop sticks! XD
Like a vacuum
スパゲッティ……今じゃ誰も言わなくなったね
Genius!
ざるそばもおもいっきりすすって食うのが旨い。
Noodles was one of China's gifts to the world. CHN don't need machines to make noodles.
Slurping noodles is thee correct way to eat noodles, especially hot soup noodles.
Many types of noodles from different countries.
If it really was about enjoying food, then there wouldn't have had the part about putting cheese or not, because cheese alters the taste of the dish. Since they're careful about putting cheese or not depending on what kind of dish it was, this scene is more about etiquette rather than enjoyment.
I see irony in this. Since in Japan it's okay to slurp when eating soba.
I wonder if anyone choked doing this part
yeah...you're so right for the taser..HANAHANHA!!! can't stop laughing!!
平野ノラがいた。
It's the darnedest thing; I suffer from misophonia (as I have since long, LONG before I became aware of the word, so no bandwagoneer am I), amd the noises he/ultimately they are making bother me much less than the noises SHE made did. Maybe it's because the former honestly sound less natural and human.
SPA-ghetti
啜って食うべきかどうかはともかく、ラーメンなんかだとスープが回りに飛ぶんだよね。(パスタソースもかな？)なので俺は一応、啜って食うけど汁飛ばさない様にしてる。
Bwahahahha that gaijin was evil!
That, in fact, may be the very point of this scene.
イタリアではスプーン使うのは小さな子供だけだったはず
今で言うマナー講師のバカさ加減がよく分かることを予言している作品ですね
協調性と言う名のもと考えることをやめてはいけませんね
この外人って真似はしてほしくてやってるのかな？好きに食べてるだけかと思ったけど…
掃除機かよwww
It's delicate, but definite. At first I thought perhaps the irony could be lost on a native viewer, but it appears as though she details it quite well. Though, I must say, watching all of them slurp spaghetti was quite painful...
You guys are weird. Just kidding. :D Man, that video sure is funny though! The woman at 2:54 sounds like someone was using a taser or something. XD
アンドレ・ルコント！
2:54 taser sounds? XDDD
🍝
i was expecting to see jackie chan suddenly bursting out and fighting in the restaurant
岡田茉莉子がやけになってスパゲッティをすする姿が面白い。
衆議院の金山大三郎様御一行ですか
ヨーロッパ退屈日記でしたっけ?
大好きなエッセイ集です。
スパゲッティーを音立てないで食べるようになったのはこのシーンがきっかけ。
だってせっかくのドレス姿で食べる姿が醜いんだもん。
外人の啜りは録音テープでしょ？
外国でやったら先生の言う通り罰金取られるよね？
lol too used to slurping noodles in Japan. =]
ここまで音すると流石に不味そうに感じる
@itwillbealright Nope.
婚活女、今昔物語。
Sounds like they are inhaling it..
it all ended up sounding like the beginning of a jav video
このレストランはフレンチなの？イタリアンなの？
@@okuhata48 Italian
うまそう
sub title in English is terrible. What is this !
There are no English subtitles, just automatic transcription of the audio.
日本意大利菜正确的餐桌礼仪？
逆に、日本人側はついこないだまで、手掴みで食うてた、おフランス人様のマナー(笑)でございますか。の視点もあるから二重にオモロイね
どっちにしろバカげてるって事かな
でもこのシーンの前は新入社員が重役が居並ぶ中で一端に作法に則った注文してるからなおのことおもしろい。
マナーや気取り屋をバカにしながら、それらの洗練された本物の所作が如何にかっこいいのかも表現してて、演出の妙に圧倒される。
spaghetti alle vongole =P
damn those girls are.... wow... aha
so much slurping all at one time!!!
lol.. follow the gaijin.. =D
AMERICA!
講師の顔白過ぎw
啜らないのはマナー以前に麺類食べるときのコツだと思っている。
アツアツを啜るとむせるじゃん、年取ると尚更。
むせるリスクを引いても啜るのは旨いんだけどもね。
あと、この映画のエンディングが乳飲み子が母親から母乳を飲んでるシーンで
「なるほど、人生最初の食は母乳か」と子供心に感心した覚えがある。
@daver667 omae kangaesugida. EAT AND ENJOY K THANKS.
食を追求した作品 今の日本人には無理なレベル
@M4rsu but I thought we liked food for the taste.. not how we eat it, or how its presented. Psht, semantics. HA. You aren't going to slurp something that tastes like shit now are you
@kw271
I thought Japan was purposely trying to be assimilated by the West, since Asia (China, North Korea, and South Korea to be specific) in the east had immense Anti-Japanese sentiments (before WWII, when America started to do it). Then when WWII started, it was extremely hard because of the propaganda floating around.
これ見てパスタ啜っていいと勘違いする人いたらやめてくれ…ほんとに不快だから。😢
マナークソ食らえだ❗
ひでえ
なんか痛快
テーブルマナーの意味全く無し‼️