I love that you're such a lockpick nerd. This is such a niche market and activity that I find myself in it's awesome to find others that are passionate as well.
Tipene sent me the link to this video. I really don't understand Petersons attitude towards other lock pick manufacturers and even resellers. He is his own worst enemy sometimes. The video is very good and have subbed. I've also learnt a lot and appreciate the research you have done on the subject matter. I am sure I have a digital copy of that manual somewhere I will have to have another look. People have asked me to make bent and curved bars that many times I've lost count but I think I will definitely offer them soon so watch this space
thank you for watching. I came very close to purchasing a ton of your tools last night, but I need to hold off for a month. I would like to contact you in the coming weeks to get your advice on my purchase, and which set would be the best representation of your company. I will probably be working with $200-300 range for that purchase. I'm new to the UK market of picks, and would like to make sure I get your product information correct for my review of them. I will be making a part 2 to this video with updated information given to me by Christina Palmer and other contributors with more factual and historical perspective.
Thank you for watching! I’m not always 100% correct about years, I just try to talk about how things are or where as I remember them. There will be a follow up to this in the coming months with newer tools added.
Thanks for adding this overview online. There are a few things I'd like to add, one is quite simple: While pin-side is a go-to for many locks, it doesn't work on all. For very thin keyways with deep set pins, it's quite common to have any turner be in your way. My bias is of course European locks, where my go-to are currently modified Multipick small turners SP-41, for example. We cut off the tip halfway after the bend. As a lefty I'm a lot more picky and don't find the regular tools work for me. Some of my prybars have a 45 degree bend, currently. As well as more elaborate turners, rarely seen. Mad Bob made a set of nine different turners, three of each: left, right, and flat. Law lock Tools, maker of the first 2mm bars, has mad Bob's turner bending jig. LLT has currently five sizes on offer, and has great Z bars as well. My ideal set currently would be a turner that can expand and be locked in the keyway. Alternatively, I'd like to see a set which can be combined in virtually every thickness. Something like a gauge pin set, but for turners.
Very good points, and thank you very much for the information! I know of two manufacturers that will be meeting both of your goals and wishes very soon. Stay tuned.
I really enjoyed this video. It’s interesting to see people claim to be the mother of invention, when history teaches us otherwise. It’s the same - but different.
This was the 2nd of your videos i watched today. Really enjoyed watching a newer poster on this subject. Bosnian bill was my first intro to lockport and LPL, came soon after. His format is legendarily popular (shorter, concise videos I mean...) I really appreciated that you went in way further without being too much of the day. Subscribed n lookin forward to more of the videos.
thanks for watching, i've learned there is much more to add on the topic so there will be a part 2 and a part 3 to this video for a series in the future.
I purchased the sandman pick from Sparrows a few years ago and I was suspicious that sparrows made up the myth of “Sandman” to sell picks. Haha, thanks man for putting that lingering question to rest. Thanks man, your videos are exactly what I’m looking for. Thanks man, take care
Learned a lot from this vid. To be honest I thought I was the only one who noticed that top of the key way is the best way to get feedback from any locks. I personally don't own the ergo turner but I can see how comfortable it is. Just wish there is a easier way to carry them around with my CI case.
What a useful video. Thanks! If I have three sizes of anything, I like to think of Americans when it comes to color coding: red, white, and blue = thin, thicker, thickest. Black is a good color if there is a forth size: red, white, blue, black. Etc. I think Peterson is more protective of his market, while the other guys are willing to share.
Great video! You may already know this but Southern Specialties shrink wraps their version of the CI “Z bar” though I don’t believe they do this for the pry bars.
It’s funny you suggest at 24:50 that someone bring back Mad Bob’s tensioners… here we are months later and Soarrow’s has done just that. You’re a visionary.
@@sandman_locksport It's been awhile, but I will try to find it. I remember it was in an archive. I do remember the publication year as being 1955. I happened upon it by chance actually, as I was then researching pin tumbler history starting with _Yale._ Also, years ago I remember seeing a booklet from sometime in the '60s which had a tok bar-style tensioner drawing inside. It was not the "pry bar" as we see today, but it was still a vertical tensioner. Ken had to know these things, as he is not much older than I. Anyhow, I will try to find the pdf of that manual, so you can print off a copy.
@@TotenAuge it’s a miss print, that’s not correct, paladin press didn’t become a company until the early 1980s. They acquired the original publication that was published in 1972. So whatever source says 1955 is incorrect in my opinion. But you can email it to me. Sandmanryu@protonmail.com
@@sandman_locksport According to similar sources, _Panther_ _Publications_ (founded 1970) became _Paladin_ _Press_ from '74-'75 when cofounder Robert Brown was bought out by founder Peder Lund. Lund then acquired the rights to reprint *previous* works, including government manuals. If and when I find the print, I will send it to you. I will download to have a physical copy. Eventually, I will find it. Regardless of the original date, "pry bars" have been around long before Ken "invented" (LoL) them. Btw, I enjoy some of your content. You have a knack for it. Have a good day.
Great review of the history and current products, thank you for doing this! When you’ve bent your flat tensioners in the past, did you do it cold or did you heat it up before bending (and if so, how)?
Yes, use top of keyway tools! 🤷🏻♂️ you’ll have to be a little more specific than that! 😂 Hit me up on Instagram if you want more in-depth information.
Hey Sandman! I do not see any mention of this so I thought I'd let you know (you probably have seen already) but Sparrows has those curved tension wrenches for sale, set of 3 with a little carrying case for about thirteen bucks USD. Maybe they added them after this vid was made, dunno. Anyhoo cheers!
thanks. those tools came out 4-6 months after this video. rumor is my video inspired them to make the tools. they are a copy of mad.bobs, even the case is a copy.
The curved ones are not from sparrows. They are discontinued tools from mad Bob’s. But sparrows now offer them on their website after watching my video. Keep looking.
Great breakdown. I’m really enjoying your content and love of locksport. You make a half an hour fly by.
Thanks for watching!
I love that you're such a lockpick nerd. This is such a niche market and activity that I find myself in it's awesome to find others that are passionate as well.
We are like brothers from another mother!
Tipene sent me the link to this video. I really don't understand Petersons attitude towards other lock pick manufacturers and even resellers. He is his own worst enemy sometimes.
The video is very good and have subbed. I've also learnt a lot and appreciate the research you have done on the subject matter. I am sure I have a digital copy of that manual somewhere I will have to have another look.
People have asked me to make bent and curved bars that many times I've lost count but I think I will definitely offer them soon so watch this space
thank you for watching. I came very close to purchasing a ton of your tools last night, but I need to hold off for a month. I would like to contact you in the coming weeks to get your advice on my purchase, and which set would be the best representation of your company. I will probably be working with $200-300 range for that purchase. I'm new to the UK market of picks, and would like to make sure I get your product information correct for my review of them. I will be making a part 2 to this video with updated information given to me by Christina Palmer and other contributors with more factual and historical perspective.
Very Cool & useful info. 😎👍
Thanks for sharing Your knowledgeable evolution of the scene as well as the tools.
Thank you for watching! I’m not always 100% correct about years, I just try to talk about how things are or where as I remember them. There will be a follow up to this in the coming months with newer tools added.
Thanks for adding this overview online. There are a few things I'd like to add, one is quite simple: While pin-side is a go-to for many locks, it doesn't work on all. For very thin keyways with deep set pins, it's quite common to have any turner be in your way. My bias is of course European locks, where my go-to are currently modified Multipick small turners SP-41, for example. We cut off the tip halfway after the bend. As a lefty I'm a lot more picky and don't find the regular tools work for me. Some of my prybars have a 45 degree bend, currently. As well as more elaborate turners, rarely seen.
Mad Bob made a set of nine different turners, three of each: left, right, and flat. Law lock Tools, maker of the first 2mm bars, has mad Bob's turner bending jig. LLT has currently five sizes on offer, and has great Z bars as well. My ideal set currently would be a turner that can expand and be locked in the keyway. Alternatively, I'd like to see a set which can be combined in virtually every thickness. Something like a gauge pin set, but for turners.
Very good points, and thank you very much for the information! I know of two manufacturers that will be meeting both of your goals and wishes very soon. Stay tuned.
Very comprehensive talk about tensioners. A+++++
Thank you for watching, I subscribed to your channel.
I like the bent CIs as well.@@sandman_locksport
I really enjoyed this video. It’s interesting to see people claim to be the mother of invention, when history teaches us otherwise. It’s the same - but different.
Thanks for watching!
This is my favorite new channel. Thank you. I hope you have many more videos coming
Thank you! Your my favorite new subscriber.
This was the 2nd of your videos i watched today. Really enjoyed watching a newer poster on this subject. Bosnian bill was my first intro to lockport and LPL, came soon after. His format is legendarily popular (shorter, concise videos I mean...) I really appreciated that you went in way further without being too much of the day. Subscribed n lookin forward to more of the videos.
thanks for watching, i've learned there is much more to add on the topic so there will be a part 2 and a part 3 to this video for a series in the future.
I purchased the sandman pick from Sparrows a few years ago and I was suspicious that sparrows made up the myth of “Sandman” to sell picks. Haha, thanks man for putting that lingering question to rest. Thanks man, your videos are exactly what I’m looking for.
Thanks man, take care
I have no correlation with the sandman pick unfortunately.
Learned a lot from this vid. To be honest I thought I was the only one who noticed that top of the key way is the best way to get feedback from any locks. I personally don't own the ergo turner but I can see how comfortable it is. Just wish there is a easier way to carry them around with my CI case.
All good points. Thanks for watching.
Well that half hour went fast ! Great vid look forward to the next one
Great info I learnt a few things ✔️
Thanks for watching! I can't wait so see what yall come out with in the coming months! I would love to review them when I get them in my hands!
What a useful video. Thanks! If I have three sizes of anything, I like to think of Americans when it comes to color coding: red, white, and blue = thin, thicker, thickest. Black is a good color if there is a forth size: red, white, blue, black. Etc. I think Peterson is more protective of his market, while the other guys are willing to share.
i agree completely. thank you for watching!
Love the history bruv. Nice!
Thank you 🙏
Great video! You may already know this but Southern Specialties shrink wraps their version of the CI “Z bar” though I don’t believe they do this for the pry bars.
Thanks for letting me know and thank you for watching!
It’s funny you suggest at 24:50 that someone bring back Mad Bob’s tensioners… here we are months later and Soarrow’s has done just that. You’re a visionary.
Yup, lol, the manufacturers watch my videos and they often use my ideas, with zero credit to me lol.
@@sandman_locksport from henceforth, its will be known as the Sandman pry bar set (by me anyways) haha
Good vid!
_Wizwazzle's_ site is up again, going back 16 years. Also, I found the same manual published in 1955 in archive.
Can you send me a link to the manual published in 1955? That’s unheard of, so I would like to see it. Thanks for watching
@@sandman_locksport It's been awhile, but I will try to find it. I remember it was in an archive. I do remember the publication year as being 1955. I happened upon it by chance actually, as I was then researching pin tumbler history starting with _Yale._ Also, years ago I remember seeing a booklet from sometime in the '60s which had a tok bar-style tensioner drawing inside. It was not the "pry bar" as we see today, but it was still a vertical tensioner. Ken had to know these things, as he is not much older than I. Anyhow, I will try to find the pdf of that manual, so you can print off a copy.
Not sure why, but every time I post a link (Paladin Press - Boulder, CO circa 1950), TH-cam deletes my post. Will try again another time.
@@TotenAuge it’s a miss print, that’s not correct, paladin press didn’t become a company until the early 1980s. They acquired the original publication that was published in 1972. So whatever source says 1955 is incorrect in my opinion. But you can email it to me. Sandmanryu@protonmail.com
@@sandman_locksport
According to similar sources, _Panther_ _Publications_ (founded 1970) became _Paladin_ _Press_ from '74-'75 when cofounder Robert Brown was bought out by founder Peder Lund. Lund then acquired the rights to reprint *previous* works, including government manuals. If and when I find the print, I will send it to you. I will download to have a physical copy. Eventually, I will find it.
Regardless of the original date, "pry bars" have been around long before Ken "invented" (LoL) them.
Btw, I enjoy some of your content. You have a knack for it.
Have a good day.
Great review of the history and current products, thank you for doing this! When you’ve bent your flat tensioners in the past, did you do it cold or did you heat it up before bending (and if so, how)?
I just put it in a table Vice, and bent it by hand cold. Definitely a little bit sloppy compared to the covert instruments. I prefer theirs by far.
wizwazzle isn't making videos anymore but the channel is up. Looks like all his videos are still there.
Thanks for the heads up!
You are really good at giving your vew, keep it up!
Do you have any advice to someone learning top of keyway tension?
Yes, use top of keyway tools! 🤷🏻♂️ you’ll have to be a little more specific than that! 😂 Hit me up on Instagram if you want more in-depth information.
Hey Sandman! I do not see any mention of this so I thought I'd let you know (you probably have seen already) but Sparrows has those curved tension wrenches for sale, set of 3 with a little carrying case for about thirteen bucks USD. Maybe they added them after this vid was made, dunno. Anyhoo cheers!
thanks. those tools came out 4-6 months after this video. rumor is my video inspired them to make the tools. they are a copy of mad.bobs, even the case is a copy.
Hello Sandman, Did you curve these prybars from Sparrows yourself? I don't see that they have them for sale on the website.
The curved ones are not from sparrows. They are discontinued tools from mad Bob’s. But sparrows now offer them on their website after watching my video. Keep looking.
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I just keep hearing bad things about Peterson recently and was very underwhelmed by the set I bought from them.