What product managers are looking for in product designers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มิ.ย. 2022
- What I found out from PMs through working with them in Silicon Valley,
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Product Managers are pretty overrated. As a developer, most of the time I prefer to work with the designer directly and bypass the PM. PMs just adds another barrier to communication and slows things down. In that sense, designers do tend to make product decision pretty frequently.
0:06 intro
0:12 how do you work with product managers and product designers?
0:22 product designer and product manager overlapping roles
1:29 product manager roles
2:35 differences between the roles
3:05 what successful product designers don't do
PMs busy in meetings. Designers most of the time need to take the product role to get the product rolling.
Love your candid advice, so in-depth and no fluff 😊
my PMs dont rly do any of that. my job is also just a weird structure. they literally tell me the problem and i genuinely do exactly what u say not to. there is no partnership, theres no collaboration, no PRD, hardly any REAL data. no one expects me to fill in for them when theyre not in. i always wonder why im even here.
I am someone who is looking to become a Product Designer in a company in which he is very passionate about the services we offer, and it is really helpful to know that it is actually beneficial for me to be a swiss army knife in the sense that I can use my passion to also play the role of the PM when needed.
Facts!
had an interview with PM last month, I thought it went well during the design whiteboard.. they told wireframes was not needed... so I just solved the whole thing under 20 mins (45mins interview).. the other 2 problems were app critique and arrange contents in an app screen. Then spoke about responsibilities and the team structs and what they were looking for.. never went forward but connect with the designers eventually but the PM ghosted me XD I understood at that moment lol
Just wanted to point out that this video in particular is easier to follow compared to many others.
By starting in with pointing out to the fact that, the most complete/useful designers are those capable of complementing their manager's role, it made following through the rest of the video easier.
great feedback, thank you. start with solution then explanation?
@@Designalily Yes! Summing up the solution from the start, like an elevator pitch.
As an intro to the often explanatory nature of your videos, just like in research: clarifying the problem, the solution, and then explaining why/how we get there, is a guaranteed communication format.
Trying to reflect on why this video's format is remarkably easier to follow than many of yours:
I guess it also has to do with your style: being realistic (with the content and body language), with a reasonable tone of voice, and the fact that you don't use effects, statistics or stock photos, makes most of your videos less exciting or head-turning than other YT videos, something that may be indirectly expected by content consumers, in your case: lack of excitement + hard truth about work environments, (I'm not saying you should to copy them, as your solution to this potential lack of immersion looks to be a format, not a style. And also, who would want excitement and dopamine in natural conversations about work?).
Which leads us to the other side of the communication, the viewers side:
They're used to youtubers trying to recapture their attention during the video, after having captured it using *those* thumbnails, because it seems to work with even the worst content. They're also watching YT content in variable moods, that's why serious content with reasonable tone of voice, may start to seem comparatively lacking/boring, just like IRL, it takes attention to detail from both to effectively communicate serious topics.
I'd feel terrible if this comment was overexplained!
@@mounirb174 Great feedback! I totally agree. Are you suggesting more of those attention grabbing tactics or the reverse?
@@Designalily The reverse!
I wanted to say that this video has a format so good that, it made you less dependent on tricks.
However, Advice are opinions!
And the best thing to do is to experiment!