Someone on Reddit nailed it right on the head: AEW fans don't like the idea of explaining things to casual fans because then the high horse of knowledge they are riding isn't as high anymore.
What I hate about that was that Tony is the one who actively goes out his way to cater to that niche audience, Tony goes out his way to stoke those flames whenever anyone criticizes them, then he wants to play victim and go "Well, you know, there's a lot of wrestling out there, don't narrow YOUR view!" to OShea when he gave valid criticism about his product. He's such a pussy.
My favourite part of all of this was AEW fans calling him a "nepo baby", completely ignoring the fact that description also applies to their god and savour Tony Khan
ice cube himself said that o’shea jr had to prove himself as an actor before he got the role of straight outta compton. tony has NO experience with the wrestling business whatsoever, nor cares to learn, and it shows with AEW.
Wait what? What do you mean by "Tony is building his own thing"? AEW has brought literally nothing new to wrestling. Everything they do either WWE, WCW, or ECW has already done. And half of the roster and the only legit stars he has are ex WWE guys.. Dude's not building anything lol
It’s worth noting O’Shea Jr and CM Punk are good friends, and O’Shea has been getting hate for an entire year just for being friends with Punk. AEW fans constantly attack him.
They love to say " I'm an AEW fan" when nobody asks or cares but rip WWE, while also saying anybody that goes on AEW is guys they know from other companies and if you don't know them you're not a wrestling fan even though they only acknowledge AEW. They make you feel dumber just seeing how they think
No biggest problem in AEW is Tony. He is the biggest fan of everyone he hires an then writes the show in a way to say to the fans and talent I'm not WWE or WCW I won't treat you like they have in the past. In doing that though he creates different issues like too much wrestlers under contract. He can't and doesn't understand how to book then properly and we get dumb stuff like 12 man tag matches. Or people who can't cut promos get pushed.
That's the irony of aew fans. They're condescending about being the most knowledgeable wrestling fans but are constantly flummoxed every time a wrestler would debut going back to when Kingston wrestled Cody.
As an AEW fan, most AEW fans are just wannabe hardcore fans. They're not like ECW fans who actually knew who a wrestler like Chris Jericho was before coming to the United States.
AEW's audience has always been the fans they currently have and members of Jim's cult who watch them weekly.. their audience will never grow, actual wrestling fans don't watch AEW, fans who want logic and story telling in the wrestling they watch, don't want AEW or gave up on watching it a long time ago
I've come to the point that, regardless of company or show, when someone comes out, I think to myself, "Why should I care about this person?" If I can't come up with an answer within five seconds, it's a fail on the company. And that includes WWE.
O’Shea also went to college for the production and screen writing side of entertainment. Before being asked to audition to play his dad in Straight Outta Compton. So he really does have some knowledge both as a on screen talent but also behind the scenes.
@@pleaseshutup7053 Everything I have ever seen him in, I have enjoyed. It's also great that he is doing the work and separating himself from his father in that respect.
When you want to expand the fanbase of a company you should be trying to educate new fans and try to bring them on board. Not getting all pissy with them if they're not watching all the same NJPW and what not shows at 3 AM when they're live. They're doing nothing but turning away fans who with the proper education might want to jump onboard. AEW fans online pretend to get mad at fans for not giving AEW a chance for claming Tribalism. But the most hardcore AEW fans are more into Tribalism then anyone else. Usually the people who claim to be the most hardcore and dedicated fans of something are the most insufferable toxic people. Watching wrestling is supposed to be fun and a distraction from the unfun parts of life. But if its just going to make you even more miserable then why even bother watching?
@@Bale4Bondto much of a Indy mindset that won't allow them to grow. It's like Tony don't understand that and the hardcore audience of theirs don't care really as long as they get to see what they want. I mean it's something wrong to be a billionaire with a wrestling company and somehow TNA is doing better than you and having more buzz than you. But again Tony don't seem to understand that or can't swallow his pride enough to admit anything
It all starts with Tony though. He could have wrestlers introduced properly and the fanboy would eat that up too. They love it all, regardless. Gotta draw in casuals or your promotion is doomed.
@@dominicarroyo6269 why hasnt a single freakin wrestling company not been able to overtake wwe ? Are they all indies ? its a loosing battle always indie or no indie.
WWE used to do vignettes for Ted DiBiase, Waylon Mercy, and even Kizarny, but Khanye expects us to recognize random Japanese wrestlers like they were Hogan Hall and Nash
@@wilcee238 But those vignettes for debuitng heels like Ted DiBiase or Mr. Perfect where spectacular, brilliant ideas for a gimmick, which some of the modern ones lack!
I posted on Twitter that I recently went to an episode of Collision. My family said it was the worst wrestling show we ever been to. Ended up getting 200 retweets of AEW fans losing their minds. I posted my experience on my channel and it definitely got attention lol.
lol they don't even understand that they are scaring fans away from their own product. I'm a woman that is in shape and washes and bathes regularly. I look like a normal person (not a dubbalo) and I enjoy wrestling. I feel the need to point this out -- because this seems like a thing that doesn't exist in their universe. I posted about my own confusion with their wrestling show - and how do they respond? By attacking me. Can't ask a question about Trios belts, can't ask who a wrestler is, can't say you don't get Orange Cassidy. They are crazy.
@@wonipowa7542 They understand but they just don't care. AEW is their little indy/outlaw club and thanks to Tony Khan's daddy's apparently endless supply of money they don't have to bring in new fans to keep that sh*tshow going. It isn't sustainable forever, of course. But for now they can remain stagnant in growth and still keep going where most promotions would financially collapse and disappear.
do you hate your family? did you wanna punish your kids for something they did wrong? cuz having them suffer through an episode of Collison is just cruel man
@@wonipowa7542As a normal woman, I think you must intimidate them. Having been to several live AEW events, before they ran me off, a large percentage of their fans are incels and possibly inbred. They aren't people who have relationships with women.
@wonipowa7542 That's always their implusive response They go on personal attacks when they can no longer defend an obvious mistake. I had one aew mark telling me that Seinfeld suxs because of my profile picture and should not be criticizing aew because I watch Seinfeld.
@@therealityofitall4819 How long ago was that again? And how many people not named John Cena are thanking Vince now? Not only are you whatabout-ing, but you are trying to draw comparisons between something that happened a while ago when nothing about the allegations was known to the public aside from the fact that Vince had paid hush money to someone, to something that's been happening at AEW since its start and is still happening right now. They are entirely false comparisons on multiple levels.
Smart marks are their own worst enemies. They don't like or understand wrestling, but they feel like they should be a part of wrestling.... and they end up ruining it for everybody else.
I think it’s also about how predatory wrestling media channels are towards them. They are told what to like and what not to like before it even airs and social media rewards them for having the correct take. I don’t know if any of us would get into wrestling today if we were already jaded against the booking decisions and knew most of the outcomes before we got hooked.
That's every hobby. If you examine most hobbies (especially those that are more niche) there will always be a group that are hyper aware of every little detail of the history of the thing they love. Often these people are also mainly obsessed with swinging their deep knowledge of a thing around like a cudgel at anyone that dares ask a question they think is dumb, or some kind of wrongthink against these folks beliefs regarding said hobby. In my experience in hobbies outside of wrestling it is the exact same thing just different words and topics. Ironically these same folks also seem to mostly hate the thing they treat as their hobby. But, that's a whole other topic. I honestly respect Jim and Brian a lot for having such a deep knowledge and still very clearly retaining at least some of their ability to be light heated, and passionate about their hobby/profession. Not that they don't dress folks down, but I've never got the feeling they would just shit on a new fan of something just because they were new.
@@Clearmedium That is true... but for many of them, their "hyper-awareness" is built off of decades of collective assumptions and speculations. Most fans don't actually know as much as they think they know... but because they think they know so much, they disregard trying to learn more. I dont think being a wrestling fan is something that would or should be considered a "hobby." Especially when that "hobby" is essentially just gossiping about speculation and jumping to conclusions... to the point where they throw temper-tantrums so massive the companies actually have to change plans... even though the fans don't actually know what was planned to begin with... I think they should dress people down more often, personally. I'm sick of wrestling culture being full of 40 year old men acting like middle school mean girls, especially when literally 99% of them don't actually know the first thing about being "smartened up to the business"
@@8-ball916he's probably one of them AEW nut stains that threatens you on Twitter because you don't know who that 5'10 185 lb Gymnastics, mud show bullshit wrestler is 😆
O'Shea is a year younger then me, and even he understands wrestling, he's prob. Been watching since 96 like myself, and is a REAL Fan... Not a stupid fanboy MARK 😏
You don't even have to understand wrestling to get the fundamentals of any sort of entertainment that seems to elude or simply not matter to Tony Khan. His attitude is if you don't instantly know that 60 year old japanese guy that can barely amble down the ramp to the ring then it's your problem. That's not a strategy for bringing in and keeping fans but TK has F you money and can afford to run AEW how he wants for the immediate future.
About 6 months ago I left a comment on an AEW TH-cam video asking "Who are these guys and why should I care about them?" and I got 10 or so replies from people calling me names and zero answers to my questions. What I quickly learned from my one and only interaction with them is that AEW fans are hypersensitive dorks.
I am going to tell it like it is.. Cornette is jealous that Smokey Mountain didn't work out and he's mad that Tony can do what he can't.. WWE Marks want admit the truth..
@@therealityofitall4819You're right.. Tony can do what Jim can't. Perpetually run a company at a loss because he was given truckloads of daddy's money to haphazardly throw around. I was rooting for AEW. I want good shows. The more viable wrestling companies the better. AEW is just crap and the consistently decreasing ratings reflect that. Their most highly rated show was their very first one. They've been unable (or perhaps uninterested) to hook casual fans.
@@therealityofitall4819 Allow ME to tell it like it is as well: won't, as in, will not, is not synonymous with want, as in lacking or desire to obtain. So if you're going to be high and mighty, being superior to us all, the get your grammar correct. 🙄
Jackson's an actor and enthusiast, and son of an actor and lyricist. He understands storytelling. When I was a kid, I got excited for a debut because of hype videos and presentation. When Ric Flair came to the WWF, they laid the promo groundwork for folks to understand he was a big deal. Now we're supposed to get excited whenever an elderly Japanese midcarder comes over, barely announced, to have a "dream match" with Danielson
The way that was done was genius. The hardcore fans saw the Big Gold Belt and went "OH SHIT!", the WWE/casual fans were immediately told why this was a big deal, and by Bobby the Brain no less, giving Flair immediate impact.
@@therealityofitall4819 depends on where you grew up. I grew up in CA, and I watched NWA wrestling with Ric Flair. But when I talked about it with my friends, they didn’t know and associated NWA with, ironically, Ice Cube, Eazy E, and Dr. Dre.
If I’m not mistaken, Oshay Jr. is a graduate of University of Southern California film school with a degree in screenwriting, so he’s probably well versed in how to make things make sense for a general audience.
You WWE Marks just made me a fan of AEW.. I love how you WWE Marks were okay with a kid as a champion and a person dressed as a bunny doing pretend s_x acts to people but yeah AEW is the problem in pro wrestling..
Simply put, O'Shea thinks like a normal person. It's not even just combat sports either; NFL, MLB, NHL. Whenever a rookie is ready to make their pro debut, the announcers will talk at length about his amateur history and what he will bring to the team/league; often times even interviewing the guy during the pre game.
No he didn't, he gave them an opportunity to prove his point for him! The fact that Tony Khan went on to REALLY prove his point was just the icing on the cake...
@@neilbiggs1353WWE could have proven their point about Vince McMahon but you WWE Marks was up there screaming thank you Vince.. WWE Marks are horrible people..
O’Shea is 100% spot on. And the backlash he got makes me also not want to watch that company. Which AEW fans like, but by being these Holy Gatekeepers, they aren’t allowing the product to grow
Example of HOW to make a STAR: Tiffany Stratton has been a big deal. . . in NXT, which is seen by less than a half of what RAW or Smackdown have in audience. Right after the Rumble, she was officially moved to Smackdown, established her rich girl character and annoying persona, rubbed the existing women the wrong way, got a couple of victories and soon enough she got waaaaay over in Australia during the Elimination Chamber. See? It's not that hard.
Thats because WWE has writers. AEW doesnt. You can work with the writers about how you want your character to be presented. AEW doesnt care about any of that.
Nah, that doesn't work. You gotta let them wrestle pointless random matches with no stakes, story or the slightest bit of explanation who that wrestler is. Amateurs.
remember every debut has to be a loss then x3 more losses then he cuts a promo and says hi and starts winning :D and then we forget about him cause hes off tv for 5 months. Shoutout as I always do to fellow Bulgarian Miro for just saying no to bad creative. At this point its to late you also have experienced people backstage with tony not listening so thy are just staying for the check. @@BulletClub444Life
I went to a house of hardcore show once after not watching wrestling for a while. Me and my buddy only new a few guys on the card. This big guy beside me was so nice. He told me things about the wrestlers told me a spot was coming up that wrestler did. Super nice guy. AEW fans the diehard fans that is come off arrogant.
The AEW stans on Twitter are actively harming the company's appeal. We all know the accounts. Ive tried to be reasonable but they absolutely detest outsiders.
Their position is far too perfect a position to be in for a modern Twitter user so they'll never give it up. Being in their camp gives everything a Twitter user wants: -Taking up a position that is largely considered silly by the majority of reasonable people. -Able to feel constantly persecuted because the definition of persecuted has been changed to: someone disagrees with me. -People in opposing promotions have done bad things = easily moved or shifted goalposts if an argument isn't progressing the way you want it to. Really the list goes on. If your goal is to be a persecuted victim on Twitter being an AEW fan seems like its pre-made for you.
Let's act like WWE Marks didn't hurt company appeal when screaming thank you to a person who has allegations stacked against him and knew beforehand of the allegations.. WWE Marks don't realize they are hurting company appeal...😂😂😂
If TK honestly cared about AEW overall success he would step down as booker and cut at least 1/3 of the roster that contribute nothing. He would stay off message boards and Twitter/X. He wouldn't lie about the state of AEW that we can all see. Just acknowledge everything isn't perfect and say he is doing everything he can to make changes for the better to help the business grow not just wither
Why would he care? He has infinite money. He can't financially fail and this is his hobby. This is the equivalent to you spending 60 bucks on a video game and being bad at it for the entire time you played it. You likely don't care that you're bad cause you already spent the money and being good at it isn't a requirement of you enjoying your hobby. People need to stop treating AEW like it's a business. We have a company that exists to entertain TK. As long as TK is having fun, nothing else matters. My parents gave me a Big Bird toy to keep me entertained and out the way, TK's parents gave him AEW.
@@watchitlive8460 Um Difference with TNA and AEW is that AEW Owners have sports teams in different countries which they are all successful.. Tony can easily throw in AEW as a package to get stations to show AEW.. Dixie Carter didn't have the connections that Tony Khan has and that's a fact you WWE Marks..
@@Bale4Bond Im sure he doesnt bash AEW and call them out for what they are and I know he platforms outlaw mudshow indie goofballs so yeah he sucks. Wake me when he criticizes AEW then I'll listen.
@@Chaz4543 Lol and what, divide his own fanbase? That wouldn't be smart. I don't watch all his interviews but he is pretty professional when it comes to Journalism. He lets his guests speak their minds whether they critique AEW or WWE. We need media to be like that these days rather than making it political and being on one side or the other. Which is pretty much what all of the media does now.
If you watch his interview with CVV, he PERFECTLY describes what it is like in today's world to be a pro wrestling fan and comment on same via social media.
I went to Fyter Fest in 2021 when some of AEWs issues were less glaring but still obvious. That night there were huge lines to buy a t-shirt, poor experiences with some of the ‘fans’, and the main event that night was the introduction of Wheeler Yuta. It’s not hard to see why the attendance dropped off heavily at these shows and it reflects with the fan enthusiasm you no longer see from the crowd.
After those comments, I really hope O'Shea and his crew are front row at WrestleMania 😂. Love it when celebrities on the outside of wrestling actually GET wrestling.
O’Shea’s issue and how he addressed it was measured and a well thought out response so of course the AEW fans think he’s doing so in bad faith when he didn’t even insult the company and actually wanted to be more of a fan of the company. They really want to be elitists.
Makes me really live O'She bc he is a sensible wrestling fan. Ex. Daniel Garcia, one ROH ppv they had a video package explaining why he appreciated Jericho. He was in a car accident and Jericho paid his hospital bills.
And again where is the lie? This why you need structure, this why you need producers, this why you need a creative staff, this is why you need a developmental league, and most importantly why you need to train your wrestler how to be on national television.
That is 100 percent my issue with AEW's presentation. The matches don't exactly speak for themselves, so I have zero idea why I should care about anything. I love Tomohiro Ishii from his work in NJPW and RoH.... but he just seemed anonymous on AEW. I was like, "what the fuck is a 'stone pitbull'?"and I had seen HOURS of that dude's matches by that point.
The fact that Baby Cube is talking about wrestling like if he was an authority says more about the current wrestling landscape. Is he right about this situation, sadly yes. But the business shouldn't have an outsider mark telling what people in it should know. The people in the business should be knowing this basic shit. The fact that some random super mark is saying what the owner and Booker of AEW should know says a lot about this business
@montblancnoland4034 I think OC's point is that AEW's problems are so obvious that even people on the outside can see it, yet people INSIDE the wrestling bubble keep making excuses.
Not comparing the actual content, but the AEW situation reminds me of the Snyder DC movies. A small niche of extremely vocal people were getting what they wanted, most everyone else said no thanks. After a few monumental failures Warner pulled the plug instead of continuing to spend a quarter billion dollars a pop making films for that niche audience. But AEW will continue because the person holding the purse strings is part of that niche audience.
Synder fans remind me of AEW's too. They actually got together and did something cool. All In and a second theatrical cut, respectively, but got too emotionally invested to acknowledge any flaws in the things they had helped create despite being some of the people in the best positions to get those flaws fixed. How many consumers can legitimately claim to have forced a product they wanted to buy into existence? How many would then turn around and not demand it to be closer to what they were promised? How did this happen twice in such a short timespan?
Brian, Uou should try to get Jackson on the podcast. His conversation with Jim would be interesting. I think they would agree with each other quite a hit.
It's like comic books...name a huge superhero you don't know their history or backstory. I'm a fan of comics...but I went with girlfriend and we watched Deadpool. When we left.. BOTH of us knew about his origin/backstory....because they took time to tell us
I'm a wrestling fan. I've been a wrestling fan all my life. There were episodes in the early days of AEW when I watched that I had no clue who was in the ring. The matches would start and there would be no explanation of who the men or women were in the ring. Tony just assumes that we know who it is who's wrestling with no backstory at all. I can only imagine how it is for casual fans😂.
We need O’Shea up on here. And even though he’s Ice Cube’s son, he doesn’t like AEW, so we should probably set up a GoFundMe to help the guy out while he’s here.
You would think with TK being such a wrestling fan he would know this by now. WCW hyped up the Luchadores and Japanese wrestlers. I still remember Ultimo Dragon promo vids wondering who this guy with all these belts is and finding out where the Asai moonsault comes from. I guess we just have to find them on TH-cam.
AEW seems to have gotten the message. On the last Collision, they had a package ahead of the main event trying to explain who the Japanese guy was that Danielson was fighting.
Aew have 6 main issues that I can think of: Their owner, their fans, their roster, their production, their EVP's and Unca Dave. Outside of those things it's a great show...
The states and effects of the five latter of those, are directly caused, determined, and perpetuated by the first. There's only one root cause for all of AEW's problems.
@@henrygvidonas9573 Completely agree. If TK wasn't such a naïve trust-fund baby who's also a mark then AEW wouldn't be floating down shit creek without a paddle. It's crazy to think it's only taken this long for Khanoki to be as big an issue as VKM was for the Dub (Yes, it's for VERY different reasons but my point stands).
Watching this after Punk’s interview w/ Ariel.. I see why him & Jr. are good buddies now loll. & he’s 100% right, there’s ways to do good business while also appealing to the basement dwellers. It’s Tony’s job to figure out how to do both.
Maybe unpopular opinion because it is universally beloved now, but when I was a teen, the ECW vibes were similar. I LOVE ECW... but... from a quality standpoint, fan reaction and divisiveness, there are a ton of similarities between the original ECW and the current AEW. The roster was mainly unknowns with some former stars sprinkled in, the hardore fanbase (I was a fan, but I watched VHS tapes in Missouri not in the arena in Philly) vehemently crapping on what you like, and the actual wrestling being very hit or miss - usually it was awkward and bad, sometimes it was stellar. The best wrestlers weren't usually there very long. I'm NOT saying that ECW and AEW are the exact same thing, but the way AEW exclusive fans truly believe they have the only real wrestling show, with the best matches and the best talent - when it is clear that they don't -- is eerily similar. A majority of the best ECW talent truly created their legend after they left and went somewhere bigger. Not all of them, but a majority. I watch AEW clips because I just love wrestling of all shapes and sizes, but it is delusional that any promotion is on the same level as WWE. Other promotions have their highlights, but across the board other promotions are really just punching upward.
Tony was a huge ECW ark as well so it makes sense his promotion has the same issues. I remember reading somewhere that for one of TKs birthdays he asked to go to Philly to watch Jerichos last ever ECW match. Probably why he always seems to defend Jericho too
@robdurfee6861 I haven't heard that before, but it makes sense. I respect Tony having the rebellious spirit that young Heyman had, having the vision/passion to get out of the gate quickly, and for the "believe when nobody else does" energy. Those same aspects are what kept fans chanting E-C-W for decades after closure. ECW is distinct because they did what they were able to do without an actual arena, or tour or TV distribution or financing. Granted, that lack of resources showed in the product, but the spirit and style was still strong and unique. AEW is disappointing in a different way because they have all the possible resources. They have the TV distribution, they have bottomless financing (for now), they book big arenas, and they aren't that stylistically different from the more popular brand. So to see it be boring, mostly confusing, and the show feeling segregated into segments for different niche fans each week is truly dropping the ball. I think a lot of wrestling fans have become anti-Tony because unlike other wrestling owners/promoters over the course of history that were always second-guessed but not usually questioned, Tony has the same resume and experience in running a wrestling promotion as someone sitting behind the barricade or on Twitter. So when he does dumb stuff, most fans believe they can do better because they probably could.
One of the really cool things ecw, wcw and wwf did back in the day. The commentary would tell the backstory of the Wrestlers to get them over and help the audience become more familiar with them. Which I think is a lost element they don't do as much nowadays.
I haven't heard the episode yet, but I want to see if it was recorded in time. I'm curious to know if Jim/Brian says anything about Tony's reaction to Oshea. The King of Marks proved that everything Jackson said was correct about their fanbase."
Someone on Reddit nailed it right on the head: AEW fans don't like the idea of explaining things to casual fans because then the high horse of knowledge they are riding isn't as high anymore.
Plus I heard it makes their brain ache when you ask them a legit question 😂
I think it's cause they know the "knowledge" is gonna suck tbh. "Oh Eddie Kingston looks up to this old Japanese guy."
It’s like if a group of people had the attitudes of Soulsbourne fans without any of the accomplishments.
They discover they were riding a donkey the whole time..
@@justlloyd7881 LMAO
The fact that Tony replied to O'Shea in a sarcastic way shows that O'Shea was right about AEW's issues.
Tony is a mark
What I hate about that was that Tony is the one who actively goes out his way to cater to that niche audience, Tony goes out his way to stoke those flames whenever anyone criticizes them, then he wants to play victim and go "Well, you know, there's a lot of wrestling out there, don't narrow YOUR view!" to OShea when he gave valid criticism about his product.
He's such a pussy.
AEW will always suffer as long as they have a mark like Tony Khan running the whole thing..
No way did he!
@@acpw20online5unfortunately, he did.
My favourite part of all of this was AEW fans calling him a "nepo baby", completely ignoring the fact that description also applies to their god and savour Tony Khan
The funny thing is Tony is the textbook definition of nepo baby.
ice cube himself said that o’shea jr had to prove himself as an actor before he got the role of straight outta compton. tony has NO experience with the wrestling business whatsoever, nor cares to learn, and it shows with AEW.
Tony is right though! WWE Marks like Osha Jackson Jr. can't handle the truth of that.. Least Tony is building his own thing..
@@sp4cegrl27WWE Marks don't know nothing. . TONY HIRED ALL VETERANS TO WORK WITH HIM IN THE BACK SO HOW HE ISN'T TRYING TO LEARN ANYTHING?!
Wait what? What do you mean by "Tony is building his own thing"? AEW has brought literally nothing new to wrestling. Everything they do either WWE, WCW, or ECW has already done. And half of the roster and the only legit stars he has are ex WWE guys.. Dude's not building anything lol
It’s worth noting O’Shea Jr and CM Punk are good friends, and O’Shea has been getting hate for an entire year just for being friends with Punk. AEW fans constantly attack him.
He even said punk showed up to his premiere for cocaine bear that is just a hilarious image
Why am I not surprised? Don't these people have anything better to do with themselves?..
Punk had mentioned in the past that he’s a fan of Ice Cube’s music.
@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrotheryep. He regularly posts his favorite albums of his. Was doing it before he left WWE the first time.
Now everything makes sense.. O'Shea needs to pick his friends better.. Loser CM Punk got his ass handled in the UFC.. 😂😂😂 WWE Marks make me laugh..
He's 100% right.. AEW's biggest problem are it's fans!!
They have more problems then that lmaooo
The fans don’t even go to the weekly shows
They love to say " I'm an AEW fan" when nobody asks or cares but rip WWE, while also saying anybody that goes on AEW is guys they know from other companies and if you don't know them you're not a wrestling fan even though they only acknowledge AEW. They make you feel dumber just seeing how they think
I'd say the biggest problem is Tony Khan himself, but yeah
They're the trump supporters of wrestling fans
No biggest problem in AEW is Tony. He is the biggest fan of everyone he hires an then writes the show in a way to say to the fans and talent I'm not WWE or WCW I won't treat you like they have in the past. In doing that though he creates different issues like too much wrestlers under contract. He can't and doesn't understand how to book then properly and we get dumb stuff like 12 man tag matches. Or people who can't cut promos get pushed.
Wait, he doesn't know every mid-card Japanese "star". Guess what, 99% of AEW fan base doesn't know who these guys are either.
How can you be a "real fan".if you don't know EVERYONE that AEW brings in front week 2 week?
@@Supervillain725 yeah you're not a real fan unless you can rell off their entire Cage Match rating history
That's the irony of aew fans. They're condescending about being the most knowledgeable wrestling fans but are constantly flummoxed every time a wrestler would debut going back to when Kingston wrestled Cody.
AEW fans pretend like they know. It’s absolutely gross.
As an AEW fan, most AEW fans are just wannabe hardcore fans. They're not like ECW fans who actually knew who a wrestler like Chris Jericho was before coming to the United States.
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Duuuuude he spit straight facts. You're only catering to that audience and not the mainstream one .
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AEW's audience has always been the fans they currently have and members of Jim's cult who watch them weekly.. their audience will never grow, actual wrestling fans don't watch AEW, fans who want logic and story telling in the wrestling they watch, don't want AEW or gave up on watching it a long time ago
Facts, you should always act as if anyone watching has never seen wrestling as to explain why someone is a big deal.
I've come to the point that, regardless of company or show, when someone comes out, I think to myself, "Why should I care about this person?"
If I can't come up with an answer within five seconds, it's a fail on the company. And that includes WWE.
OK now apply that logic to the Cody Cry Babies 😂😂😂
O’Shea also went to college for the production and screen writing side of entertainment. Before being asked to audition to play his dad in Straight Outta Compton. So he really does have some knowledge both as a on screen talent but also behind the scenes.
He’s a great actor I enjoyed his movie den of theives
@@pleaseshutup7053sequel coming out 2024
@@pleaseshutup7053 Everything I have ever seen him in, I have enjoyed. It's also great that he is doing the work and separating himself from his father in that respect.
I am glad AEW fan base is being called out for their toxic behavior which is not good for growing the company.
When you want to expand the fanbase of a company you should be trying to educate new fans and try to bring them on board. Not getting all pissy with them if they're not watching all the same NJPW and what not shows at 3 AM when they're live. They're doing nothing but turning away fans who with the proper education might want to jump onboard. AEW fans online pretend to get mad at fans for not giving AEW a chance for claming Tribalism. But the most hardcore AEW fans are more into Tribalism then anyone else. Usually the people who claim to be the most hardcore and dedicated fans of something are the most insufferable toxic people. Watching wrestling is supposed to be fun and a distraction from the unfun parts of life. But if its just going to make you even more miserable then why even bother watching?
@@Bale4Bondto much of a Indy mindset that won't allow them to grow. It's like Tony don't understand that and the hardcore audience of theirs don't care really as long as they get to see what they want. I mean it's something wrong to be a billionaire with a wrestling company and somehow TNA is doing better than you and having more buzz than you. But again Tony don't seem to understand that or can't swallow his pride enough to admit anything
It all starts with Tony though. He could have wrestlers introduced properly and the fanboy would eat that up too. They love it all, regardless. Gotta draw in casuals or your promotion is doomed.
Its all because Tony Kokahn doesn't need to turn a prophet. It's a toy
@@dominicarroyo6269 why hasnt a single freakin wrestling company not been able to overtake wwe ? Are they all indies ? its a loosing battle always indie or no indie.
WWE used to do vignettes for Ted DiBiase, Waylon Mercy, and even Kizarny, but Khanye expects us to recognize random Japanese wrestlers like they were Hogan Hall and Nash
What happened to wwe doing vignettes for debuting superstars that’s a lost art nowadays
@pleaseshutup7053 Wait a sec, didn’t they do vignettes for Andrade and Karrion Kross?
@@pleaseshutup7053they did one for Lexus king recently
@@wilcee238 But those vignettes for debuitng heels like Ted DiBiase or Mr. Perfect where spectacular, brilliant ideas for a gimmick, which some of the modern ones lack!
The last ones I remember were for Lacey Evans.
I posted on Twitter that I recently went to an episode of Collision. My family said it was the worst wrestling show we ever been to. Ended up getting 200 retweets of AEW fans losing their minds. I posted my experience on my channel and it definitely got attention lol.
lol they don't even understand that they are scaring fans away from their own product. I'm a woman that is in shape and washes and bathes regularly. I look like a normal person (not a dubbalo) and I enjoy wrestling. I feel the need to point this out -- because this seems like a thing that doesn't exist in their universe. I posted about my own confusion with their wrestling show - and how do they respond? By attacking me. Can't ask a question about Trios belts, can't ask who a wrestler is, can't say you don't get Orange Cassidy. They are crazy.
@@wonipowa7542 They understand but they just don't care. AEW is their little indy/outlaw club and thanks to Tony Khan's daddy's apparently endless supply of money they don't have to bring in new fans to keep that sh*tshow going. It isn't sustainable forever, of course. But for now they can remain stagnant in growth and still keep going where most promotions would financially collapse and disappear.
do you hate your family? did you wanna punish your kids for something they did wrong? cuz having them suffer through an episode of Collison is just cruel man
@@wonipowa7542As a normal woman, I think you must intimidate them. Having been to several live AEW events, before they ran me off, a large percentage of their fans are incels and possibly inbred. They aren't people who have relationships with women.
@wonipowa7542
That's always their implusive response
They go on personal attacks when they can no longer defend an obvious mistake.
I had one aew mark telling me that Seinfeld suxs because of my profile picture and should not be criticizing aew because I watch Seinfeld.
TK replied proving O’Sheas point exactly
Just like you WWE Marks chanting thank you Vince after horrible allegations come out about him.. WWE Marks have no room to talk..
when did this happen?@@therealityofitall4819
Just want to go on an aside to talk about nerds on this website talking.. in .. dramatic.. dots.. like.. a .. highschooler
@@therealityofitall4819 Sure just deflect everything back to another group, I'm sure that'll fix everything.
@@therealityofitall4819 How long ago was that again? And how many people not named John Cena are thanking Vince now?
Not only are you whatabout-ing, but you are trying to draw comparisons between something that happened a while ago when nothing about the allegations was known to the public aside from the fact that Vince had paid hush money to someone, to something that's been happening at AEW since its start and is still happening right now. They are entirely false comparisons on multiple levels.
Wait a minute... it just dawn on me that Ice Cube and Jim were in the NWA at the same time 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
UNDERRATED COMMENT😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Smart marks are their own worst enemies.
They don't like or understand wrestling, but they feel like they should be a part of wrestling.... and they end up ruining it for everybody else.
I think it’s also about how predatory wrestling media channels are towards them. They are told what to like and what not to like before it even airs and social media rewards them for having the correct take. I don’t know if any of us would get into wrestling today if we were already jaded against the booking decisions and knew most of the outcomes before we got hooked.
Perfectly stated!
@@dngn4774 facts
That's every hobby. If you examine most hobbies (especially those that are more niche) there will always be a group that are hyper aware of every little detail of the history of the thing they love. Often these people are also mainly obsessed with swinging their deep knowledge of a thing around like a cudgel at anyone that dares ask a question they think is dumb, or some kind of wrongthink against these folks beliefs regarding said hobby. In my experience in hobbies outside of wrestling it is the exact same thing just different words and topics. Ironically these same folks also seem to mostly hate the thing they treat as their hobby. But, that's a whole other topic.
I honestly respect Jim and Brian a lot for having such a deep knowledge and still very clearly retaining at least some of their ability to be light heated, and passionate about their hobby/profession. Not that they don't dress folks down, but I've never got the feeling they would just shit on a new fan of something just because they were new.
@@Clearmedium That is true... but for many of them, their "hyper-awareness" is built off of decades of collective assumptions and speculations. Most fans don't actually know as much as they think they know... but because they think they know so much, they disregard trying to learn more.
I dont think being a wrestling fan is something that would or should be considered a "hobby." Especially when that "hobby" is essentially just gossiping about speculation and jumping to conclusions... to the point where they throw temper-tantrums so massive the companies actually have to change plans... even though the fans don't actually know what was planned to begin with...
I think they should dress people down more often, personally. I'm sick of wrestling culture being full of 40 year old men acting like middle school mean girls, especially when literally 99% of them don't actually know the first thing about being "smartened up to the business"
And AEW fans wonder why everyone hates them.
nobody cares about AEW fans
They’re literally basement dwellers
WWE Marks screaming thank you Vince after they knew what he did.. WWE Marks can't say a damn thing about nothing..
@@therealityofitall4819why are you here
@@8-ball916he's probably one of them AEW nut stains that threatens you on Twitter because you don't know who that 5'10 185 lb Gymnastics, mud show bullshit wrestler is 😆
O'Shea is a year younger then me, and even he understands wrestling, he's prob. Been watching since 96 like myself, and is a REAL Fan... Not a stupid fanboy MARK 😏
You don't even have to understand wrestling to get the fundamentals of any sort of entertainment that seems to elude or simply not matter to Tony Khan. His attitude is if you don't instantly know that 60 year old japanese guy that can barely amble down the ramp to the ring then it's your problem. That's not a strategy for bringing in and keeping fans but TK has F you money and can afford to run AEW how he wants for the immediate future.
@@Shagrath71 that's about as clear as someone can could explain it, without being a bias p.o.s 😏 😁 thank you sir
Your comment screams it's still real to me dammit
You WWE Marks are that! 😂😂😂
@@Shagrath71Thank you! WWE Marks can't stand it! Keep hurting these WWE Marks feelings.. 😂😂😂😂
All those neck beards would never say it to his face or Ice Cubes face
That's true for most internet trash talk. It's nice and safe behind the keyboard.
@@Billinois78Just like you WWE Marks.. 😂😂
They’d kick their arses Compton style!
@@therealityofitall4819irony coming from you💀 you’re the literally definition of it judging off your other comments, your mentality unstable
About 6 months ago I left a comment on an AEW TH-cam video asking "Who are these guys and why should I care about them?" and I got 10 or so replies from people calling me names and zero answers to my questions. What I quickly learned from my one and only interaction with them is that AEW fans are hypersensitive dorks.
Neckbeards😂🤷♂️
Dubbalos are fucking filth.
They're like the worst incarnation of a territorial metalhead.
I was told "Google it. Or TH-cam. " Yeah like that's going to make me want to watch. Give me a package to highlight this person
Like just give me 5 sentences please. 😅😅😅
I'll do this too just to see the reaction 😂 AEW has too many wrestlers that make me sit there and say, "Who the fuck is this?!"..
My applause to Mr Jackson 👏👏👏👏
I can't wait until someone go in on you WWE Brainwashed Marks.. 😂😂
But are you for real?
@@edwells4769 yep
Where all this when WWE was putting championships on children or having a p__v bunny rabbit running around?? You WWE Marks are hilarious! 😂
@@therealityofitall4819 You sound as bitter as Scottie Pippen is to Jordan
Is Uncle Dave gonna accuse O’Shea of using Cornette vernacular and say he’s out of touch?😂
I am going to tell it like it is.. Cornette is jealous that Smokey Mountain didn't work out and he's mad that Tony can do what he can't.. WWE Marks want admit the truth..
@@therealityofitall4819 Man you sure have nothing better to do but reply to multiple comments huh. Sad
@@therealityofitall4819You're right.. Tony can do what Jim can't. Perpetually run a company at a loss because he was given truckloads of daddy's money to haphazardly throw around. I was rooting for AEW. I want good shows. The more viable wrestling companies the better. AEW is just crap and the consistently decreasing ratings reflect that. Their most highly rated show was their very first one. They've been unable (or perhaps uninterested) to hook casual fans.
@@therealityofitall4819 Allow ME to tell it like it is as well: won't, as in, will not, is not synonymous with want, as in lacking or desire to obtain. So if you're going to be high and mighty, being superior to us all, the get your grammar correct. 🙄
@@therealityofitall4819How do I get a job with you guys so I can be paid to leave YT comments too? It sounds like a nice easy job.
Jackson's an actor and enthusiast, and son of an actor and lyricist. He understands storytelling. When I was a kid, I got excited for a debut because of hype videos and presentation.
When Ric Flair came to the WWF, they laid the promo groundwork for folks to understand he was a big deal. Now we're supposed to get excited whenever an elderly Japanese midcarder comes over, barely announced, to have a "dream match" with Danielson
The way that was done was genius. The hardcore fans saw the Big Gold Belt and went "OH SHIT!", the WWE/casual fans were immediately told why this was a big deal, and by Bobby the Brain no less, giving Flair immediate impact.
Thank you
Difference is that everyone knew who Ric Flair was before WWF you WWE Marks.. Jesus, Do you WWE have you all of you that brainwashed 😂😂😂😂
@@RickinBaltimoreWe already knew who Ric Flair was.. People need to stop with this revisionist history crap..
@@therealityofitall4819 depends on where you grew up.
I grew up in CA, and I watched NWA wrestling with Ric Flair. But when I talked about it with my friends, they didn’t know and associated NWA with, ironically, Ice Cube, Eazy E, and Dr. Dre.
stuff like this is why i get embarrassed to tell people that I'm a wrestling fan
I’ve never been more embarrassed then the attack Cody fans did on the rock
😂 care to clarify?
Especially on his Daughter Ava Raine
@williamwolfxrivera9929 Death threats are absolutely ridiculous. She is however a talentless nepotism kid.
Know what you mean.
Not only does Ò'Shea Sr. (Ice Cube) have a son, but he's been married for 32 years to the same woman.
He got him a good woman
If I’m not mistaken, Oshay Jr. is a graduate of University of Southern California film school with a degree in screenwriting, so he’s probably well versed in how to make things make sense for a general audience.
Tony and the AEW "fans" just made me a fan of O'Shea.
You WWE Marks just made me a fan of AEW.. I love how you WWE Marks were okay with a kid as a champion and a person dressed as a bunny doing pretend s_x acts to people but yeah AEW is the problem in pro wrestling..
Simply put, O'Shea thinks like a normal person. It's not even just combat sports either; NFL, MLB, NHL. Whenever a rookie is ready to make their pro debut, the announcers will talk at length about his amateur history and what he will bring to the team/league; often times even interviewing the guy during the pre game.
WWE Marks act like WWE does that and they don't anymore..
@@therealityofitall4819WWW must really live rent free in your head💀
So glad to hear Jim react to this, and Oshea was spot on!
Ice Cube Jr. proved his point about the AEW scum
No he didn't, he gave them an opportunity to prove his point for him! The fact that Tony Khan went on to REALLY prove his point was just the icing on the cake...
@@neilbiggs1353oshea proven it's point
@@neilbiggs1353WWE could have proven their point about Vince McMahon but you WWE Marks was up there screaming thank you Vince.. WWE Marks are horrible people..
@@therealityofitall4819buddy your brain is fried to the core💀
Tell 'Em Cube Jr!! He's absolutely right 💯...called it like it is!
But as soon as someone says something about WWE, you WWE Marks can't handle it.. I seen it a million times..😂😂😂
Considering how many times they've sent death threats over criticism, I'm not surprised.
Ask MarkyD or AEW Botches.
"Fans" sent death threats to The Rock's daughter because they want Cody to headline 'Mania
Whats a death threat?
@@jabrockobiden9434 what do you think it is?
@@Supervillain725 Whataboutisms are pathetic.
I could understand MarkyD, he's kinda funny but overall quite clueless about wrestling.
O’Shea is 100% spot on. And the backlash he got makes me also not want to watch that company. Which AEW fans like, but by being these Holy Gatekeepers, they aren’t allowing the product to grow
Example of HOW to make a STAR: Tiffany Stratton has been a big deal. . . in NXT, which is seen by less than a half of what RAW or Smackdown have in audience. Right after the Rumble, she was officially moved to Smackdown, established her rich girl character and annoying persona, rubbed the existing women the wrong way, got a couple of victories and soon enough she got waaaaay over in Australia during the Elimination Chamber. See? It's not that hard.
Thats because WWE has writers. AEW doesnt. You can work with the writers about how you want your character to be presented. AEW doesnt care about any of that.
Nah, that doesn't work. You gotta let them wrestle pointless random matches with no stakes, story or the slightest bit of explanation who that wrestler is. Amateurs.
remember every debut has to be a loss then x3 more losses then he cuts a promo and says hi and starts winning :D and then we forget about him cause hes off tv for 5 months. Shoutout as I always do to fellow Bulgarian Miro for just saying no to bad creative. At this point its to late you also have experienced people backstage with tony not listening so thy are just staying for the check. @@BulletClub444Life
Let's go Jim Cornette talking about Ice Cube's son 🔥
I accidentally walked into a gay bar once. It wasn't as gay as people who use the fire emoji.
@@johnjones8888You definitely walked in by choice
@@johnjones8888with no vaseline
@@yusufgazi7nice
@johnjones8888 this is the gayest thing I've ever read.
I saw something the other day that cracked me up in reference to AEWs "dream matches. ".... like real dreams , they're forgotten the next day 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I went to a house of hardcore show once after not watching wrestling for a while. Me and my buddy only new a few guys on the card. This big guy beside me was so nice. He told me things about the wrestlers told me a spot was coming up that wrestler did. Super nice guy. AEW fans the diehard fans that is come off arrogant.
The AEW stans on Twitter are actively harming the company's appeal. We all know the accounts. Ive tried to be reasonable but they absolutely detest outsiders.
Their position is far too perfect a position to be in for a modern Twitter user so they'll never give it up. Being in their camp gives everything a Twitter user wants:
-Taking up a position that is largely considered silly by the majority of reasonable people.
-Able to feel constantly persecuted because the definition of persecuted has been changed to: someone disagrees with me.
-People in opposing promotions have done bad things = easily moved or shifted goalposts if an argument isn't progressing the way you want it to.
Really the list goes on. If your goal is to be a persecuted victim on Twitter being an AEW fan seems like its pre-made for you.
Well said @@Clearmedium
Let's act like WWE Marks didn't hurt company appeal when screaming thank you to a person who has allegations stacked against him and knew beforehand of the allegations.. WWE Marks don't realize they are hurting company appeal...😂😂😂
@@ClearmediumWWE Marks complain about the internet while being on the internet.. You can't make this stuff up??😂😂
Awfully sad @@MrClarkworld
Watched the whole interview it was good, O’Shea Jr would make a great heel with him doing promos
John Stossel will make a great heel.. John Stossel verbally destroyed WWF/WWE in his Dark Side Of The Ring promo..
If TK honestly cared about AEW overall success he would step down as booker and cut at least 1/3 of the roster that contribute nothing. He would stay off message boards and Twitter/X. He wouldn't lie about the state of AEW that we can all see. Just acknowledge everything isn't perfect and say he is doing everything he can to make changes for the better to help the business grow not just wither
Why would he care? He has infinite money. He can't financially fail and this is his hobby. This is the equivalent to you spending 60 bucks on a video game and being bad at it for the entire time you played it. You likely don't care that you're bad cause you already spent the money and being good at it isn't a requirement of you enjoying your hobby.
People need to stop treating AEW like it's a business. We have a company that exists to entertain TK. As long as TK is having fun, nothing else matters. My parents gave me a Big Bird toy to keep me entertained and out the way, TK's parents gave him AEW.
@@CornBreadtm1 i regret that i can only 1 thumbs up for that scorcher of a truth bomb 🤣 🔥🔥🔥🚒👩🚒
@@watchitlive8460 The difference is Vince had investors to keep happy. Tony is the one being kept happy.
@@watchitlive8460 Um Difference with TNA and AEW is that AEW Owners have sports teams in different countries which they are all successful.. Tony can easily throw in AEW as a package to get stations to show AEW.. Dixie Carter didn't have the connections that Tony Khan has and that's a fact you WWE Marks..
@@CornBreadtm1WWE Marks don't understand that.. 😂😂😂
Dave Meltzer: "AEW fans are more affluent."
AEW fans: "He DARE ask questions?! I wish O'Shea was NEVER BORN!!!"
O'Shea took a cue from his father and went 'No Vaseline' on the AEW marks 😂😂😂
CVV is the best interviewer in the wrestling business today.
Not Renee Moxley Good. 😂🤣😂🤣
@@Bale4Bond Im sure he doesnt bash AEW and call them out for what they are and I know he platforms outlaw mudshow indie goofballs so yeah he sucks. Wake me when he criticizes AEW then I'll listen.
@@Chaz4543 Lol and what, divide his own fanbase? That wouldn't be smart. I don't watch all his interviews but he is pretty professional when it comes to Journalism. He lets his guests speak their minds whether they critique AEW or WWE. We need media to be like that these days rather than making it political and being on one side or the other. Which is pretty much what all of the media does now.
MarkyD reviewed a few episodes of Dynamite and he got loads of death threats on TH-cam and Twitter
Who's never done anything dirty to anyone, and probably defends indie wrestling genuinely more than Jim
If you watch his interview with CVV, he PERFECTLY describes what it is like in today's world to be a pro wrestling fan and comment on same via social media.
He is just a WWE Mark trying to butter up to WWE and Loser Phil Brooks who lost to real men in the UFC..
AEW fans are the type of people who will be angry at the fact that you didn't know that Minoru Suzuki did the motion capture for King in Tekken.
Nobody with an actual life would ever care about this
Great fun fact I had no idea
That's cool, though...
@@stinkypinkeee5085it is cool but they'd be getting hot under the collar at you just finding that fact out
@@bcal8118the FGC cares a little
O'Shea Jackson Jr was also the Obi Wan Kenobi series on Disney+.
That and his role in Straight outta Compton puts him ahead of Sasha Banks
O’Shea Jackson Jr. just got a new fan in Jim Cornette just because he understands the wrestling business more than Tony Khan. 😂
I went to Fyter Fest in 2021 when some of AEWs issues were less glaring but still obvious. That night there were huge lines to buy a t-shirt, poor experiences with some of the ‘fans’, and the main event that night was the introduction of Wheeler Yuta. It’s not hard to see why the attendance dropped off heavily at these shows and it reflects with the fan enthusiasm you no longer see from the crowd.
The thumbnail is hilarious, well done to whomever made this one lol
4:40 "Movie it up for me, baby!" 🤣
After those comments, I really hope O'Shea and his crew are front row at WrestleMania 😂. Love it when celebrities on the outside of wrestling actually GET wrestling.
O’shea NAILED this take he’s 100% right
10:04 "IWC DEEZ NUTS!"
I just went to see Ice Cube live last Friday night, and it was incredible. His boy seems awesome as well. Good points he makes for sure.
"IWC deez nuts" is GOLD.
I think we found Jim's successor. Already pissing people off for telling the truth and doing it with style. 😂
O’Shea’s issue and how he addressed it was measured and a well thought out response so of course the AEW fans think he’s doing so in bad faith when he didn’t even insult the company and actually wanted to be more of a fan of the company. They really want to be elitists.
O'Shea Jackson Jr confirmed Cult of Cornette member. Ought to get him on the show for an interview.
Sensible aew fan here i actually agree with his criticism and its super valid.
Jim should know O’Shea Jr. from Cocaine Bear!
Makes me really live O'She bc he is a sensible wrestling fan. Ex. Daniel Garcia, one ROH ppv they had a video package explaining why he appreciated Jericho. He was in a car accident and Jericho paid his hospital bills.
I once agreed with a die hard AEW fan and they called me a dumbass for agreeing with them.
Nuff said.
cube and mini cube always kept it real
hahaha !
Ice Cube Jr. was right about AEW
They should have O'Shea Junior as a guest on the MOTHERSHIP!
To answer Jim's question about Oshea, his dad is one of America's best modern story tellers.
Thank you Monsier Jackson.. Uuuu, I am foooreeeeealll
And again where is the lie? This why you need structure, this why you need producers, this why you need a creative staff, this is why you need a developmental league, and most importantly why you need to train your wrestler how to be on national television.
That is 100 percent my issue with AEW's presentation. The matches don't exactly speak for themselves, so I have zero idea why I should care about anything.
I love Tomohiro Ishii from his work in NJPW and RoH.... but he just seemed anonymous on AEW. I was like, "what the fuck is a 'stone pitbull'?"and I had seen HOURS of that dude's matches by that point.
The fact that Baby Cube is talking about wrestling like if he was an authority says more about the current wrestling landscape. Is he right about this situation, sadly yes. But the business shouldn't have an outsider mark telling what people in it should know. The people in the business should be knowing this basic shit. The fact that some random super mark is saying what the owner and Booker of AEW should know says a lot about this business
Yep. The fact that people outside the business even have to say this basic shit is crazy, and yet, no one outside the WWE even tries this shit now.
Lmaaooo he the same as you a fan with an opinion wat you even on about
@montblancnoland4034 I think OC's point is that AEW's problems are so obvious that even people on the outside can see it, yet people INSIDE the wrestling bubble keep making excuses.
Ah man they didn't read Tony's response
Not comparing the actual content, but the AEW situation reminds me of the Snyder DC movies. A small niche of extremely vocal people were getting what they wanted, most everyone else said no thanks.
After a few monumental failures Warner pulled the plug instead of continuing to spend a quarter billion dollars a pop making films for that niche audience. But AEW will continue because the person holding the purse strings is part of that niche audience.
Synder fans remind me of AEW's too. They actually got together and did something cool. All In and a second theatrical cut, respectively, but got too emotionally invested to acknowledge any flaws in the things they had helped create despite being some of the people in the best positions to get those flaws fixed. How many consumers can legitimately claim to have forced a product they wanted to buy into existence? How many would then turn around and not demand it to be closer to what they were promised? How did this happen twice in such a short timespan?
The artwork is always top notch.
AEW fans are the niche version of Taylor Swift fans.
Naw. Taylor's fans don't ever stop trying to get people in.
Damn he dropped the mic on the snowman lmao 😂👌
AEW top 3 problems
1. Tony MarKhan
2. AEW/IWC Neckbeard loser fans
3. Tony MarKhan booking to the AEW/IWC Neckbeard loser fans
Ohh I can’t wait to hear this
O'Shea is 100% right. He's a smart due, much like his dad. (Other than his dad occasionally promoting vaccine conspiracy theories.)
He wasn't promoting vaccine conspiracy theories. He was speaking based on common sense.
Brian, Uou should try to get Jackson on the podcast. His conversation with Jim would be interesting. I think they would agree with each other quite a hit.
"Ice Cube has a Son? And he watches wrestling? WTF!" Exactly my thoughts when I first saw his account many months ago lol
"Fuck this noise, bro" is my geneal attitude towards AEW since like mid-2022. I can't imagine still watching this trash every week
As Ariel Helwani said "they're Freakazoids"
I mean folks where's the lie lol.
When O’Shea said that, I hollered😂😂😂😂I was like Corny and Brian gotta say something about this 😂
It's like comic books...name a huge superhero you don't know their history or backstory.
I'm a fan of comics...but I went with girlfriend and we watched Deadpool. When we left.. BOTH of us knew about his origin/backstory....because they took time to tell us
I'm a wrestling fan. I've been a wrestling fan all my life. There were episodes in the early days of AEW when I watched that I had no clue who was in the ring. The matches would start and there would be no explanation of who the men or women were in the ring. Tony just assumes that we know who it is who's wrestling with no backstory at all. I can only imagine how it is for casual fans😂.
We need O’Shea up on here. And even though he’s Ice Cube’s son, he doesn’t like AEW, so we should probably set up a GoFundMe to help the guy out while he’s here.
Corny and Young Cube are in total agreement. This is the coolest thing ever.
This was the Busted Open discord for a long time.
Who had Jim, Brian, and the cube family challenging for the trios titles in 2024 on their bingo cards??
You would think with TK being such a wrestling fan he would know this by now. WCW hyped up the Luchadores and Japanese wrestlers. I still remember Ultimo Dragon promo vids wondering who this guy with all these belts is and finding out where the Asai moonsault comes from. I guess we just have to find them on TH-cam.
AEW seems to have gotten the message. On the last Collision, they had a package ahead of the main event trying to explain who the Japanese guy was that Danielson was fighting.
Aew have 6 main issues that I can think of: Their owner, their fans, their roster, their production, their EVP's and Unca Dave. Outside of those things it's a great show...
The states and effects of the five latter of those, are directly caused, determined, and perpetuated by the first. There's only one root cause for all of AEW's problems.
@@henrygvidonas9573 Completely agree. If TK wasn't such a naïve trust-fund baby who's also a mark then AEW wouldn't be floating down shit creek without a paddle.
It's crazy to think it's only taken this long for Khanoki to be as big an issue as VKM was for the Dub (Yes, it's for VERY different reasons but my point stands).
AEW stans stay mad because it’s easier to hear that criticism with no crowd in the arena😂
Watching this after Punk’s interview w/ Ariel.. I see why him & Jr. are good buddies now loll.
& he’s 100% right, there’s ways to do good business while also appealing to the basement dwellers. It’s Tony’s job to figure out how to do both.
Maybe unpopular opinion because it is universally beloved now, but when I was a teen, the ECW vibes were similar. I LOVE ECW... but... from a quality standpoint, fan reaction and divisiveness, there are a ton of similarities between the original ECW and the current AEW. The roster was mainly unknowns with some former stars sprinkled in, the hardore fanbase (I was a fan, but I watched VHS tapes in Missouri not in the arena in Philly) vehemently crapping on what you like, and the actual wrestling being very hit or miss - usually it was awkward and bad, sometimes it was stellar. The best wrestlers weren't usually there very long. I'm NOT saying that ECW and AEW are the exact same thing, but the way AEW exclusive fans truly believe they have the only real wrestling show, with the best matches and the best talent - when it is clear that they don't -- is eerily similar. A majority of the best ECW talent truly created their legend after they left and went somewhere bigger. Not all of them, but a majority. I watch AEW clips because I just love wrestling of all shapes and sizes, but it is delusional that any promotion is on the same level as WWE. Other promotions have their highlights, but across the board other promotions are really just punching upward.
Tony was a huge ECW ark as well so it makes sense his promotion has the same issues. I remember reading somewhere that for one of TKs birthdays he asked to go to Philly to watch Jerichos last ever ECW match. Probably why he always seems to defend Jericho too
@robdurfee6861 I haven't heard that before, but it makes sense. I respect Tony having the rebellious spirit that young Heyman had, having the vision/passion to get out of the gate quickly, and for the "believe when nobody else does" energy. Those same aspects are what kept fans chanting E-C-W for decades after closure. ECW is distinct because they did what they were able to do without an actual arena, or tour or TV distribution or financing. Granted, that lack of resources showed in the product, but the spirit and style was still strong and unique. AEW is disappointing in a different way because they have all the possible resources. They have the TV distribution, they have bottomless financing (for now), they book big arenas, and they aren't that stylistically different from the more popular brand. So to see it be boring, mostly confusing, and the show feeling segregated into segments for different niche fans each week is truly dropping the ball. I think a lot of wrestling fans have become anti-Tony because unlike other wrestling owners/promoters over the course of history that were always second-guessed but not usually questioned, Tony has the same resume and experience in running a wrestling promotion as someone sitting behind the barricade or on Twitter. So when he does dumb stuff, most fans believe they can do better because they probably could.
Biggest difference is AEW has a budget and internet access that ECW never had.
One of the really cool things ecw, wcw and wwf did back in the day. The commentary would tell the backstory of the Wrestlers to get them over and help the audience become more familiar with them.
Which I think is a lost element they don't do as much nowadays.
I haven't heard the episode yet, but I want to see if it was recorded in time. I'm curious to know if Jim/Brian says anything about Tony's reaction to Oshea. The King of Marks proved that everything Jackson said was correct about their fanbase."
Does anyone else wait for that moment to hit in the clip where the artwork makes sense? 😂😂😂😂
The part about throwing out the crowd was hilarious
AEW BEEN TAKING L’s like Denzel at the end of Training day lmfaooo