That's the reason why I hate Ryu, as an effective in both offensive and turtle character, with an easy get-out-of-jail-free all the time by air-tatsu from corner. While other characters fight for their lives in the corner.
Ok, Ryu has 3 special moves. Shoryuken and tatsumaki are too risky, so he needs to spam hadoukens to accumulate the special bar. Going only with normal attacks against Fei Long is suicidal, so... why are you complaining?
***** Totally agree. Derptrollz, if you tried to fireball spam against either of these guys, they would read you like a book and punish you hard. Lots of subtle things are going on that you aren't noticing apparently.
They are just noobs that knows too little about this game. You are supposed to play like that if you're Ryu, that's his game. And no it's no cheap, op or anything like that. If you want to see cheap stuff talk to Cammy.
True, and he was not throwing fireballs like braindead. Most of the time he only thrown them at the range just a bit more than Fei's FA reach. The fireball was meant to keep his opponent at that specific range rather than just spam to damaging him.
People don't play Ryu because they are better with other characters. Daigo knows how to play Ryu to a very high level. He just throws a lot of hadoukens to build meter mainly and it's probably the best strategy against Fei Long. If he went in there without throwing a fair amount of hadoukens, Ryu would just get countered like crazy.
okay, I will upload a video where I only use hadouken, how about it?! you guys don´t get it...it doesn´t matter if its a tournament or not, it counts about the gameplay...and I see 90% only hadouken from daigo,so whats the matter?! and yes, to use one move is way a good tac-tic
@Beecels Yeah, I'd say that knowing that if Fei Long get's close enough to lock him down with Rekkas the game is over and keeping him at range with Hadouken to prevent such a situation would make him a champion.
Neutral jump, focus forward dash, focus back dash, prediction, loads of character specific punishes, the list goes on. Daigo doesn't just "spam" all the time - if he did, Mago would've punished the shit out of him. Also, good luck finding people online that are as good with fireballs as he is.
@Beecels Spam is a term people use to try to demean what their doing instead of finding a way around it if you are the one playing against it, or to suggest that you find what he does makes him less deserving of the win - Whereas fireballs have always been a necessary component of the game to give it diversity, if every character depended on being in the opponents face then the game might aswell be a 2D tekken :) There is skill in using fireballs to a degree, baiting jumps and such. :)
Mago has gone a long way since he faced Diago for the first time. He is much more aggressive and sure about himself here than in previous matches. That made all the difference.
I love how everyone who cries about Daigo zoning Mago's Fei with hadoukens are probably rushdown scrubs with >2000 Player Points. The thing is people, that is what he's supposed to do in this match-up. It's not the only thing he can do, but it's definitely the safest strategy. As stated before in the comments, they're both playing to win. You wanna watch good games or lame cheesy combos? If you want cheesy combos, there are plenty of MK9 and UMvC videos out there. Street Fighter is like chess.
@Riako yeah it's stupid because there are alot of better players out there. He's a good player but I don't think he's out of ordinary. He's just like any other player sometimes he wins and other times he loses.
Honestly did you not read where I said "Ryu would get countered like crazy". These people are playing for money man and hadoukens do chip damage so it is the best "strategy" to win but since you don't like me calling it that then it's the best "idea". Also if you would've actually watched the damn thing, Daigo performs many combos and punishes against Fei Long one of them being at 7:10. Just because he throws a lot of hadoukens doesn't mean that's all he does the whole time.
I'm wondering why Daigo uses Ultra II against Mago, but not others. I mean, I know its for chicken wings, but it seems silly for only one reason. But hey, I'm nowhere near these guys' level. I'm just curious I suppose.
Okay I see where you're coming from now but I'm sure Ryu isn't the only character who spams one move. I'm sure the majority of Ryu players spam hadouken a lot because well....it works and is quite effective. I understand hearing "HADOUKEN! HADOUKEN! HADOUKEN!" gets annoying as well but it works. And yes I understand the whole "lack of moveset" thing but Daigo doesn't lack any skill. If you can watch him playing as either Guile or Yun.
If you need a reference/guide check out Eventhubs. Read up on ryu AND the character you play the most, some match-ups are just generally bad but that doesn't mean they're impossible.
Hmm... That's weird. Mago is using Fei Long. Fei Long is based on Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee's birthday was two days after this video was posted . November 27 is 11/27. 11/27 is the length of this... video?! Whaあああt the heえええll?! *keyboard explodes*
ROFL you're aware that Daigo is the best Ryu player in the world, right? He's the only player that CONSISTENTLY wins international tournaments with him. I think he knows a bit more about Ryu than you do.
Call it spam, call it skill. I call it boring. SF4's engine just creates snooze fests for me. Both SF3 and CvsSNK2 put on much more entertaining matches. That was due to having a way around the "Spam Skill" Daigo loves so much. Blocking took a backseat to parry and evade.
Ugh I don't really care about who they use, but goodness I'm sick of the commentators always talking about one side i.e. Daigo. I'm really sick of it. It's a tournament. Whenever Daigo is playing in these tournaments the commentators always talk about him and how he's thinking. I understand he has fans, but I wish they would be a lot less bias and focus on both players instead of just, "Daigo. Daigo. Daigo." He's a beast. We know this.
@KirbyOnCronic Stupidity? Not being used to having U2? Hell, he had some opportunity to use it in these matches,(I counted 2-3 perfectly viable moments, there were probably loads more), he just never did.
I think the real problem is that Street Fighter IV lets you spam projectiles so much in the first place. I never liked Street Fighter II because of that; Street Fighter III felt like a Godsend because you could not do it at all. It honestly feels like Capcom went a little backwards in this regard. Street Fighter games should be about fighting, not Hadoukens. The fact that spamming them is one of the best strategies is the sign of.... questionable programming.
So basically you are saying that Ryu is overpowered? lol To throw fireballs like that and not get punished you need to really know your game, spamming fireballs mindlessly will only get you killed against any decent opponent. What Daigo is doing is not that easy...
@TaiGekTou No its cos he is one of the, if not THE best player this franchsie has ever seen. Anybody has the rite to play Ryu its just that nobody can do it as good as Daigo. Look at his history and u'll see he has won the most big SF championships multiple times. Dont hate the player hate the game. And when u get good at the game u mite see what masterpiece Daigos playing really is. NOT all of his matches are awesome OFC!
Lol he used the flaming leg kick like... one time!? Fei long is all about good timing... If they are choosing a character that shoots at you... you might as well do the same!?
Yes I like challenges too but man a challenge is what you look for in an arcade or online not the professional scene. The professional scene is mainly for people who are good enough to make da munny. But yes I can see why people hate playing against Ryu. I freaking HATE AI Ryu especially when playing against him with Sakura.
Rapaz, você é quem tem que aprender a jogar. Ele faz bom uso das habilidades que tem à disposição. Você fala do Daigo por usar Hadouken, isso é porquê você não viu um bom Sagat ainda hahaha TIGER SHOT TIGER SHOT TIGER SHOT TIGER SHOT :)
Then you must be new to streetfighter. Because the fireball game and zoning has been the basics of sf gameplay from day one , you could call it sf 101.
There is no such thing as cheap in video games, darpachief, either you adapt and overcome someone's style or you sit here and complain about somebody being cheap. The Fei Long and Ryu match up is like a teeter totter, if Fei has Ryu in the corner, Its going to be mix ups and constant poke pressure, Ryu is most effective against Fei by distancing him and using his projectile, once again there is no thing as cheap.
These are pro players, but what I dont get is when Ryu hurricane kicks over him to get out of the corner, why doesnt the Fei Long player do the burning kick.?The biggest and highest one.
I hear Ryu saying "hot pockets"
Wow, that first round pretty much defined how ridiculous projectile zoning can get in SF4.
That's the reason why I hate Ryu, as an effective in both offensive and turtle character, with an easy get-out-of-jail-free all the time by air-tatsu from corner. While other characters fight for their lives in the corner.
He is ruining the Street Fighter meta, imo. Only needs Shoryuken and Hadouken to win matches 🤦🏻♂️
I hope you like Hadoukens.
The echos make this match even more epic than it already is.
Fei long is the best!
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He never make the sf5 cut
Ok, Ryu has 3 special moves. Shoryuken and tatsumaki are too risky, so he needs to spam hadoukens to accumulate the special bar. Going only with normal attacks against Fei Long is suicidal, so... why are you complaining?
Because there's no honor in it.
*****
Totally agree. Derptrollz, if you tried to fireball spam against either of these guys, they would read you like a book and punish you hard. Lots of subtle things are going on that you aren't noticing apparently.
They are just noobs that knows too little about this game. You are supposed to play like that if you're Ryu, that's his game. And no it's no cheap, op or anything like that. If you want to see cheap stuff talk to Cammy.
ZeHerminator Oh god the frame trap pressure ;-;
True, and he was not throwing fireballs like braindead. Most of the time he only thrown them at the range just a bit more than Fei's FA reach. The fireball was meant to keep his opponent at that specific range rather than just spam to damaging him.
Noo! Mago, my money!! XD
I love you guys, the stuff you bring to these matches is brilliant
People don't play Ryu because they are better with other characters. Daigo knows how to play Ryu to a very high level. He just throws a lot of hadoukens to build meter mainly and it's probably the best strategy against Fei Long. If he went in there without throwing a fair amount of hadoukens, Ryu would just get countered like crazy.
Did he just throw away the match by taking Ultra 2? very odd..
okay, I will upload a video where I only use hadouken, how about it?! you guys don´t get it...it doesn´t matter if its a tournament or not, it counts about the gameplay...and I see 90% only hadouken from daigo,so whats the matter?! and yes, to use one move is way a good tac-tic
put part 2 link up plz..
It was good on fei longs part but what about an ultra during an opening?
How does Fei Long just walk through the fireballs without blocking? Its like he is armoring through.
Thank you Mago ! for give me a courage and tips in battles when i use my Fei-long ^^
@Beecels Yeah, I'd say that knowing that if Fei Long get's close enough to lock him down with Rekkas the game is over and keeping him at range with Hadouken to prevent such a situation would make him a champion.
how do you escape corners with the tatsu?
So you're saying you could've performed as Daigo did in this match?
Neutral jump, focus forward dash, focus back dash, prediction, loads of character specific punishes, the list goes on.
Daigo doesn't just "spam" all the time - if he did, Mago would've punished the shit out of him. Also, good luck finding people online that are as good with fireballs as he is.
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mago does the same thing with sagat "spamming fireballs" you do what you have to do to win...
Mago is Fei long...
Carlos Arturo Mosqueira on his other matches when he uses sagat he plays keep away...
No, it's just part of the ambiguously parsed tournament name "$100 High Rollers".
@Beecels Spam is a term people use to try to demean what their doing instead of finding a way around it if you are the one playing against it, or to suggest that you find what he does makes him less deserving of the win - Whereas fireballs have always been a necessary component of the game to give it diversity, if every character depended on being in the opponents face then the game might aswell be a 2D tekken :) There is skill in using fireballs to a degree, baiting jumps and such. :)
Any advice for a barely made C ranker...?
im pretty sure that "oh my gawd" was from another vid? can anyone help me find it ?
@voodizzle
not really, I don't play LoL anymore. but whatever makes you feel better play more baddie fighter 4
@keemojr it's called Zoning Noob.
@KirbyOnCronic Fei-Long's only fireball-evading move is a move which is easily anti-aired by it. U2 improves his zoning ability.
which version is this??
is that ryu with ultra 2??? and why didnt he ultra at 2:18? -_-
10:18 "Oh my gyad" "Hey man do you have to do that every match man?" Lol I like how the dude in the back said that haha.
Mago has gone a long way since he faced Diago for the first time. He is much more aggressive and sure about himself here than in previous matches. That made all the difference.
I love how everyone who cries about Daigo zoning Mago's Fei with hadoukens are probably rushdown scrubs with >2000 Player Points.
The thing is people, that is what he's supposed to do in this match-up. It's not the only thing he can do, but it's definitely the safest strategy. As stated before in the comments, they're both playing to win.
You wanna watch good games or lame cheesy combos? If you want cheesy combos, there are plenty of MK9 and UMvC videos out there.
Street Fighter is like chess.
@Riako yeah it's stupid because there are alot of better players out there. He's a good player but I don't think he's out of ordinary. He's just like any other player sometimes he wins and other times he loses.
@dragonfirelee i say they give bruce lee as DLC for MK or Street Fighter X Tekken........
Honestly did you not read where I said "Ryu would get countered like crazy". These people are playing for money man and hadoukens do chip damage so it is the best "strategy" to win but since you don't like me calling it that then it's the best "idea". Also if you would've actually watched the damn thing, Daigo performs many combos and punishes against Fei Long one of them being at 7:10. Just because he throws a lot of hadoukens doesn't mean that's all he does the whole time.
in every single vid of Daigo with ryu there is a crossup tatsumaki. Every single of them!
I'm wondering why Daigo uses Ultra II against Mago, but not others. I mean, I know its for chicken wings, but it seems silly for only one reason.
But hey, I'm nowhere near these guys' level. I'm just curious I suppose.
Okay bro I'll agree with you. 3rd strike and ESPECIALLY CvS2 are way more entertaining. But hey at least we still got Kof right?
nothing shows your masculinity in SF quite like choosing a character without wimpy fireballs (gen/FL) instead of akuma/seth/guile/ryu, etc.
if you don't understand something, it's pretty silly to question it.
@flipballaz93 depends who ryu is facing
It's just a distancing and pressure technique. And besides if it was that easy to win with Ryu why doesn't everyone use him?
Back and forth, all the time! I love it; these guy are evenly matched...so much skill.
Daigo do be spamming the hadokens though
Okay I see where you're coming from now but I'm sure Ryu isn't the only character who spams one move. I'm sure the majority of Ryu players spam hadouken a lot because well....it works and is quite effective. I understand hearing "HADOUKEN! HADOUKEN! HADOUKEN!" gets annoying as well but it works. And yes I understand the whole "lack of moveset" thing but Daigo doesn't lack any skill. If you can watch him playing as either Guile or Yun.
If you need a reference/guide check out Eventhubs. Read up on ryu AND the character you play the most, some match-ups are just generally bad but that doesn't mean they're impossible.
OK GUYS LAY IT ON ME. WHOS THE BEST FEI LONG PLAYER?
Fuudo and Mago.
I am. and I don't spam the flame kick
Hmm... That's weird. Mago is using Fei Long. Fei Long is based on Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee's birthday was two days after this video was posted . November 27 is 11/27. 11/27 is the length of this... video?! Whaあああt the heえええll?!
*keyboard explodes*
ROFL you're aware that Daigo is the best Ryu player in the world, right? He's the only player that CONSISTENTLY wins international tournaments with him. I think he knows a bit more about Ryu than you do.
when pros play it looks like the characters are moving way faster than they are supposed to
Call it spam, call it skill. I call it boring. SF4's engine just creates snooze fests for me. Both SF3 and CvsSNK2 put on much more entertaining matches. That was due to having a way around the "Spam Skill" Daigo loves so much. Blocking took a backseat to parry and evade.
You're forgetting that the dude playing Ryu is Daigo "The Beast" Umehara.
and your respect means what exactly?
I doubt he'll lose any sleep over it.
@Beecels Yeah, I'm sure you subscribe to developers of games you don't play on youtube all the time... right?
you know...when you think about it, in a way, ryu is chuck norris, and fei is bruce lee :p
Ugh I don't really care about who they use, but goodness I'm sick of the commentators always talking about one side i.e. Daigo. I'm really sick of it. It's a tournament. Whenever Daigo is playing in these tournaments the commentators always talk about him and how he's thinking. I understand he has fans, but I wish they would be a lot less bias and focus on both players instead of just, "Daigo. Daigo. Daigo."
He's a beast. We know this.
You can still do it with EX Tatsu with Ken and with Sakura
1:51 OH MY GAD HOW GOOD IS HE?
I wonder why you want me to not reply....hmmmm...so you're saying you can beat Mago and be as good as Daigo? Damn dawg you funky.
@BedwithTed You should probably watch some of his other matches before saying that.
I really fuckin hope they don't put this guy ryu on tekken
@KirbyOnCronic Stupidity? Not being used to having U2? Hell, he had some opportunity to use it in these matches,(I counted 2-3 perfectly viable moments, there were probably loads more), he just never did.
I think the real problem is that Street Fighter IV lets you spam projectiles so much in the first place. I never liked Street Fighter II because of that; Street Fighter III felt like a Godsend because you could not do it at all.
It honestly feels like Capcom went a little backwards in this regard. Street Fighter games should be about fighting, not Hadoukens. The fact that spamming them is one of the best strategies is the sign of.... questionable programming.
this is the first time i have ever seen daigo go for ultra 2 in ssf4
@Beecels i comment on that all the time but i guess its "technique" now...seems more like a cheap way to win
this isn't diago...
-_- when does me play ultra two?
So basically you are saying that Ryu is overpowered? lol
To throw fireballs like that and not get punished you need to really know your game, spamming fireballs mindlessly will only get you killed against any decent opponent. What Daigo is doing is not that easy...
@TaiGekTou No its cos he is one of the, if not THE best player this franchsie has ever seen. Anybody has the rite to play Ryu its just that nobody can do it as good as Daigo. Look at his history and u'll see he has won the most big SF championships multiple times. Dont hate the player hate the game. And when u get good at the game u mite see what masterpiece Daigos playing really is. NOT all of his matches are awesome OFC!
just making sure, subjective opinions aren't very safe on the internet.
Lol he used the flaming leg kick like... one time!?
Fei long is all about good timing...
If they are choosing a character that shoots at you... you might as well do the same!?
Yes I like challenges too but man a challenge is what you look for in an arcade or online not the professional scene. The professional scene is mainly for people who are good enough to make da munny. But yes I can see why people hate playing against Ryu. I freaking HATE AI Ryu especially when playing against him with Sakura.
well than count how many times daigo uses he hadouken...you gonna tell me he is spamming
Exactly! If he was just spamming Mago could have had so many jump ins on him.
@dragonfirelee holy shit man how you notice this
Rapaz, você é quem tem que aprender a jogar. Ele faz bom uso das habilidades que tem à disposição. Você fala do Daigo por usar Hadouken, isso é porquê você não viu um bom Sagat ainda hahaha TIGER SHOT TIGER SHOT TIGER SHOT TIGER SHOT :)
the commentary is like 1 second behind fwiw,,..
Then you must be new to streetfighter.
Because the fireball game and zoning has been the basics of sf gameplay from day one , you could call it sf 101.
they patched it so you cant do it anymore !
4:47 I'm surprised Mago didn't finish the combo with his U1.
i have never seen anyone spam hadoken that much...shame shame...ryu can be played way better
His fireball game is soooo good. Mago is GDLK
Yeah, but she got better priorities with ex one. And she jump higher with it, so it can't be countered ^^. It's the safier solution.
There is no such thing as cheap in video games, darpachief, either you adapt and overcome someone's style or you sit here and complain about somebody being cheap. The Fei Long and Ryu match up is like a teeter totter, if Fei has Ryu in the corner, Its going to be mix ups and constant poke pressure, Ryu is most effective against Fei by distancing him and using his projectile, once again there is no thing as cheap.
I guess you think Dee Jay and Guile are overpowered as well huh lol
nah, people online are good so you have to use crafty traps with him
im not a fanboy
this is the first time I've seen him use ultra two
shit got serious huh?
ryus acting may be a little wooden but it does take skill to use him
maaan, i'm really glad they nerfed air tatsu. No more rofl copters to get out of the corners
same here.
Here we go
@funkduz
I suppose, its flawed game design that promotes spammy play
Some characters have it easy... don't they? :/
looks like fei-long is a little op compared to the rest of the crew
hadouken hadouken hadouken hadouken hadouken
-World champion
i cant respect any player that unleashes radouken more than 2 times in a row
YOURTUBE why the fuck are there ads on the side of the video while its playing?
daigo depends way to much on those hadokens. its why he is loosing
daigo only uses hadouken :/
These are pro players, but what I dont get is when Ryu hurricane kicks over him to get out of the corner, why doesnt the Fei Long player do the burning kick.?The biggest and highest one.
his names mago and you wouldnt. no offence