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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- VCT Champs 2024 kicked off with a rematch between Masters Champions Sentinels and GEN.G. Let's take a look at why Sentinels looked worse than their former selves, while GEN.G still looked like a World Championship team.
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if i was sentinals i would just win the game without losing a round, just a thought
True. If GEN.G didn't win SEN would've won
@@surprisedpikachu3987 Yeah I think if sentinels won map 1 and 2 they would've won
@@reddyking9096 interestingly enough if GenG lost map 1 and 2 sentinals would also have won
@@reddyking9096 No, if they had won 13 rounds before Geng did they would have won
to just build on this if sentinels won 13 rounds and geng didnt they also would have won
Remember when TMV said that he would oil up if GenG won at Shanghai (real)
When will it end 😔
@@elliotlingofe7383when he does it
Bro LOL
Why is bro here now. 😭😭😭
@@BreezeOfDusk I have been here before
it honestly feels like Sentinels are playing not to lose instead of playing to win, maybe the pressure of Champions is getting to them
edit: i started a war. sorry guys
100%. They just play so scared on defense. And it's odd because JohnQT has shown to be a great IGL but there's seemingly 0 adjustments to their defenses during the round or even calls to try to clear some space. Like on round 3, they could've left Omen in wine to jiggle and try to hold the space. And then Deadlock/Jett could've tried double contacting into cat to get info on it. At that point they would've recognized that it's either a B main push or a B split which would've allowed them to try to re clear mid.
@@TheeldenLord924 💀
@@TheeldenLord924 insane cope. They just fell off
@@TheeldenLord924 ill translate it, that is the funniest take ever
Lev almost lose to Talon. A 4th seed from apac. GENG is built different even level could get 2-0. Unless aspas is on peak form.
Gotta be the monitors. Jk, but watching this live was painful. But the confidence of GenG was strong and the adjustments came too late.
adjustments are late because instead of focusing on the fundamentals. They focus on not burning the Deadlock COOK.
They forgot to peek together, Take space, etc.
They are still trying to remember the Deadlock lineups and timings.
Even teammates don't know what to do if Deadlock utils are helping them. Creating false confidence.
These videos are top tier quality!
In that Haven game I wished there was some Cypher utility to help out the A anchor. Viper's wall is only useful if you actually attempt to fights for either A long or short. The other option would of course to fight A main past the wall up to the choke like you mentioned.
while i love your medium to longer videos (17-30+ mins) i’m also loving the frequency of these shorter ~15 min videos. keep it up!
I had expected GenG to win but I had thought it would be 2-1 or even if it was a 2-0, I thought both maps would at least be kind of close. Sen lost several matches before this one, but I had thought losing would show them what they're lacking in and that they would fix those mistakes before what might be their toughest match yet. And... that did not happen.
Fr and I just hate hearing post matches of the team just saying they had an off day and such but there is a limit. Saying they played bad and need to get better is one thing but the results just keep staying the same and they suck with their deadlock comp, frickin trade esports play that comp better than the Madrid winners 😭.
they def got stuff to fix but it isn't like they didnt have there first match against the top team in the world
They just suck , I expected a quick and easy 2-0 from geng.They shouldn't have conceded more than 10 rounds across both maps tbh
@@ryan4152 it's not like they had 2 close series against them in Madrid or something right.... Sen fell off heavy and Geng got better it's crazy to say.
@@jexrekk0780 why deadlock is even played at the pro level is confusing me tbh, she sucks.
This aged like fine wine after the Sentinels match vs GenG.
Love the analysis though!
Do you think SEN are now one of the favourites to win the whole thing?I think either team heretics or SEN will win
@@SyedAli-gl7jq can't count lev out. edg is looking great too. drx too
@@SyedAli-gl7jq lev, fnc, th are the most likely to win, sen and drx have the chance to finish top 3 and trace is still a big question mark
@@oah1943 no way lev and fnatic lost to TE and DRX the favorites should be team Heretics and second favorites should be G2 or Sentinels you all are overrating lev and Fnatic
watching sen matches always felt like they are less proactive and take way too long to execute compared to top teams, great summary
If they’re gonna play that slow they better do it the right way like how g2 does
The only thing that worries me is their confidence, having lost 2-0 three times in a row must have made them feel less confident in themselves
Thank you Platoon, your videos are always a delight
wtf is a MAD 20 lmao
@@devooko Moroccan currency.
I love both the 10-15 minute videos and the 30-40+ minute videos equally as much. Keep up the great content
this video is sick cuz it shows not only the difference between teams but also how valorant as a whole functions at least in the current meta. information gathering and denial and map control are the most important macro skills, and you cant have either unless you're constantly moving and being active
like that round on ascent where SEN didn't move, they're letting gen g capture information and then not making it obsolete... simple example is if you know enemies have spotted 2 on B and 3 on A, they're gonna try and hit B before you can rotate from A. need to mix it up majorly so that they're not able to capitalize on that info.
and map control yeah re-clears is super basic macro strat. sen midrounding is just not up to snuff
Please get signed, your analysis is so good to not be on an org.
The problem is that there’s a difference between being able to make analysis for TH-cam compared to professional play where they could recognize this them selves what pro analysts do is a whole lot more in depth and help find ways to fix it and help make plays based off the game play they watched
these analysis are good but it's for fans to understand how they're playing. But analysts for pro players is more complicated and hard to understand because they will notice the tiniest details in the game.
@@AltoTheRacoon oh no it's a raccoon
@@Rapido7cold Imo, Platoon literally goes over everything. Their strategies, how the enemy is countering them, what position they are in, how they won, how they lost, etc.
@@Rapido7cold if that's true then what tf is nrg paying their analyst for
Big fan of these type of content instead of those full match analysis type of videos. Keep it up!
Rematch againts GenG today. SEN needs to VETO if possible maps Haven and Ascent. They need to pick maps like Icebox, Lotus, and Bind which they won againts GenG. For decider, if possible pick Sunset or Abyss.
update: the games were on lotus and icebox, sen beat geng on lotus and absolutely demolished them on icebox.
Classic sen getting comfortable and complacent then wondering why they can’t win anymore while every other team has been working hard and evolving
Their hunger was satisfied with the madrid win. Even apac and china never had international trophies for too long.
Honeymoon period is gone. They need new vibe merchant. Lol. Because zellsis is not vibing. He is always mad also.
@@Katniss0000 zellsis can't frag he's just vibe now that honeymoon is over they need serious cracked fraggers maybe like n4rrate or verno from tier 2
Changes won't change anything let's give them a chance and see they are rn the worst among champ teams but anything can happen ,@@uresfffff222
then they we will they are burnt out. GenG should be more burnt out honestly but they still doing good cause they aint running for content 24/7
@@banny8552the burnt out excuse is bullshit , sen fans have been using it since split 1.
Ur 100% right on basically everything you said and it makes me so sad as a Sen fan. They reached such a high peak playing so confidently and they look extremely unconfident in all of their plans. I think they are getting this feeling from the top down from Kap feeling like they have to play deadlock to innovate instead of playing the heavy retake style they are known for. IMO Sen are probably a top 3 team at retaking and when ur sitting on a deadlock comp that’s not the point of the comp. I’m watching Johnqt and zellsis not stack utility on the same sights like LEV and FNC do and they look so flat on the map. I’m really hoping Kap takes his own advice and starts not giving a fuck and locks in. I believe SEN CITY
This is actually so well made, great analysis!
the only thing i dont get is that sentinels didnt get worst just against GenG, they got WAY worst even in VCT Americas, Aspas actually managed to qualify them to champions, and its really sad to see a team that won masters at the start of they year in this situation. (EG had a similar situation, but they werent even close to be considered the best team in the world and only the underdogs until champs 2023)
I think this shows that valorant is a lot less about strategy and a lot more about who shows up on the day. And I think for this reason we see teams like eg last year that get hot and win where as successful players with pressure feom winning before like tenz after Reykjavik, yay after 2022, and demon1 in 2024 just can’t turn up as they did when they had the momentum
I think what people meant by "sentinels not contesting A main enough" is for the 2nd half where they just let munchkin manipulate and control A main space without any cintest at all (atleast not until later in the rounds)
mans just copying what FNS said 😂😂
@@JYKTwinValinux what else we copying, is both not being Into Champs. 🤣
This aged well
They also took too many solo fights when contesting and and;e during both attack and defense and swung to trade each other more than they swung as a duo/trio/team.
Dude ur channel deserves more recognition. Why not a million subscribers. Cuz the quality and analysis of ur videos are great.
They’re trying to play perfectly but because they are playing that way they are causing more mistakes then they should be
1 name. deadlock.
8:17 just more proof that every team plays at its absolute best only against nrg
Love the videos, keep up the work!
That's why it's important for a team to play a lot of games.
GenG kept going while Sen didn't play much during Shanghai.
But still it also have something to do with the coaches.
Coaches who understands the game better and knows their player's capability well can make a good comp.
One thing I found just strange about Johnqt in Deadlock in Ascent was that he threw Dl's wall onto Gate and got it smoked off and instead of fighting for market control they don't even break the KJ bot and just jiggles for so long in mid. Like I don't get it, what were they trying to accomplish
Have trust in your own comp and make it better is way better than going for meta comp that you can’t execute well
Love your content brother, appreciated🤗
johnqt has dropped the ball when it comes to igling man , munchkin was reading him like a book thoughout the game
The few games they lost where they ran out of time was so painful
Feels like Sen got a little too cocky and didnt work as hard for this match as they should have, resulting in a nasty surprise when Gen G actually knew what they were doing and preventing Sen from adapting quick enough.
nahh there's no way they grew cocky when they already started falling apart in Stage 1 resulting in them missing Shanghai. They're also aware that Gen G is a great team having faced them before, losing once and winning once, and Gen G having won the last masters. Sen had no reason to think this was going to be an "easy" game and the slow playstyle actually kind of shows that they were giving Gen G too much respect like they were scared to make plays.
Yes too cocky infact
they've been so candid about their struggles idk why everyone is so clueless as to why they've faltered
great breakdown!
gonna need the next video to be titled "why gen g got worse but sentinels got better" after that revenge matchup 😂
gen g was burned out. they played the most amount of matches. even if some team like SEN or TH make it to the grand finals of champions, they will still have lesser matches played than GEN no matter what condition.
@@shinewymnthe excuses lmao. if sen loses everyone dogs on them.
@@shinewymnCope harder
@@wrekt2192 yeah totally excuses. sen fans these days. absolutely cringe
@@blank7764 cope harder? gen g has made the best success considering that they just made this team this year. they will get to bond more right now and become stronger to go into 2025 kickoffs
when everyone doubted me when I told everyone geng at madrid still have a huge ceiling and is a newly built team that it is impossible for that to be their prime considering it is a new team, and everyone is relatively young
No one doubted you
He really changed titles 2 times first why sen lost to geng first time then to why sen strat backfired
Platoon I love your vids they actually make me nrg🦞
Keep up the arrtistry❤
Sentinels need to change the agent pool between Tenz and Zekken in different maps, like Abyss and Haven.
Tenz as Jett and Zekken can play Ini or Controller, Cuz the last match I can feel Zekken is uncomfortable playing duelist in Haven.
age like a fine wine
Can you go into why you think this happened to Sen when they already showed they have the ability to play more proactively
Thanks for the analysis :)
Main reason is that sen is trying a combo that they don't know how to play. They haven't learnt it and trying to play with that combo in champs they had enough time to learn idk wtf they were doing
Sen needs to hire this man fr
It's a good day when Platoon uploads
its honestly crazy how the second sentinels doesn't do horrible, everyone says that they're back, but when they lose one game everyone thinks they're the worst team in existence
They lose against the best team in the world. While lev almost lose to talon the 4th seed of apac. If you watch the game it is so close. Talon just fumble the 5v2 in map 1. Lol. Understanble because primmie was added a few weeks ago.
that is true but come on, they lost 3 games in a row to the teams that have improved like CRAZY since madrid, and mind you it's the deadlock cypher comp too.
It's not about losing 1 game. It's about how bad they're playing and the diff is clearly visible. Sentinels don't deserve to be in the champs.
just because lev almost lost to talon doesn’t justify how bad sen played against GenG. lev still had great rounds even if they weren’t playing to their level and nonetheless still closed the match 2-0. sen still had something to prove to themselves and everyone else that they were still a worthy competitor and even if they were bound to lose to GenG they didn’t prove anything at all. When sen were good in the beginning of the year they got praised heavily (rightfully so because they played perfect valorant) but once they started losing bad games, the problems that they’ve “solved” are the reason they keep on losing and their confidence and mental just keep on going down. they’re receiving such harsh criticism because they’ve achieved many highs and because they’ve gone to their lowest of lows in which are not to their fans’ standards.
Fax😂😂
playing too slow is a sign of less confidence, overthinking, and poor comms. Which is very concerning for Sentinels, as they have John as an IGL, Zellsis as flex and second caller, and also a champs winner in Sacy.Zellsis and John should be the most talkactive ones, Tenz is always positive, Idk about sacy and zekken. If I can change someone in this team I think Sacy should go away, he doesn't look like a champs winner tbh
seems like they gained that confidence back. sacy the goat
Sentinels need to stop trying to use deadlock on about every map it doesn’t work
us Sen fans gotta wait another 1000 days for a win of any kind now ;-;
still gunna support this team, been a day 1
Gen G kept winning because texture is haunted by the dread of an ace. He probably manifested an ace in his dreams lmao
I don't understand why SEN keeps giving sites away for free, and then they either can't even retake fast enough to defuse or can't retake at all???
Here after sen beat gen (2-0) with the same map and score from madrid
yea sen are getting grouped its over
Nah TH lost to Vitality who lost to Trace they're washed aswell (copium)
@@violinjaeven Lev almost lose to Talon. 4th seed of apac.
5v2 in map 1 just tilted talon them so hard. Understandable from a team with new member a few weeks ago.
@@Katniss0000 ?? how is 2-0 almost lost ?? lev got caught offguard with talon's stupid comps
@@uresfffff222the first map talon honestly should’ve won if they could win like one pistol rounds (which they lost and they’re to blame)
@@Katniss0000when did lev almost lose to talon wtf are u watching it was a clean sweep on map2 and close map1 u need to open ur eyes
They can't handle t3xture's aura anymore
looks like t3xture ran out of aura bro
geng can't handle sen aura. That's why they start shaking when they play sen at elimination games
sen also has the worst map pool in this event, they can only play bind , lotus and prolly sunset they suck on jett maps where zekken can't get op kills.
they seemed very good on icebox.
someone send this video to sentinels
the jett diff was real
To be fair, SEN tactics about playing slow and waiting to punish pushes have become their signature. Due to that, the other team can predict and counter this
Bruh, GenG has always been a slow but aggressive team this entire year and yet they've not been "countered". The problem the video mentions is the fact that they lost their signature gameplay style. They aren't playing aggressive enough to actually deter GENG from doing whatever they want
They don’t need a “signature” they need to win😂
this video didnt age well
Time to wait another 3 years for SEN to win another international event!
caption changed from "why sentinels got worse but geng got better" to "sen strat backfired them in their first match"
All sentinels has to do is changed these passive deadlock comps, they suck and they dont work, teams have been scrimming t2 teams that consistently used these comps in ascension. It makes sense on why teams know not to play contact against deadlock.
they won today’s match by playing with confidence. sentinels are at their best when they dictate the pace of the match, not when they let others dictate their pace. thats why they beat geng today.
I cant tell if you're disagreeing, agreeing or adding on
Sentinels are not locking in mann
AMAZING VIDEO
they have to be fucking fast and quit picking deadlock
Geng trained using 60fps with computers RIOT used on competition
No
its sentinels every 3 years they dominate the first tournament and then do nothing for the next 8 tournaments the cycle repeats
geng is that one team that is getting better every event , last year fnatic were great but they were getting worse and sloppier every event.
This didn't age well
Lmaoo this vid popped up right after Sen 2-0 them lmaoo
SEN need to sign you
Dang! I watched this too late, when Sen wins 2-0 against Gen G. Does that mean that Gen G got worse but Sen got better?
Talk about this now😂
Why is this recommended to me now
I feel like it was an off day for Zekken when watching this live. Also it sucks how when they get bomb down they just play by themselves and not just all play off each other or together. Lost 2 super important rounds to a game which they easily could've won.
They were already outclassed to begin with. Off day just rubs salt to the wound
Ngl he been off since Madrid 😅
@@krizos5305 as soon as I saw him spraying the champs phantom like it's the oni and missed every bullets ik it's over
even if sen played perfectly, they would not beat geng every team has a skill ceiling and sen have reached their max at madrid they don't have the luxury of having 5 avengers in one team that geng has
Sentinels just seem like they go on cruise control after taking a big win. There was 0 improvement since winning Madrid.
Should have uploaded this video after their match against FPX
Cant wait to watch clout kings get wiped by fpx
Too bad you can't mention the sentinels channel or something for them to see this in order to help them with their mistakes
so u r telling me we actually have a chance🙂🙂
sentinel after wininng master madrid
= Burnout 😵
Gen g after lose grandfinal and win grandfinal shanghai
= More more stronger 💪
Nice grammar. L
Its time to either delete this video or make another one stating the reverse😂😂
"Why GEN.G Got Worse but Sentinals Got Better" incoming
So when are we getting, "Why Sentinels got Better But Gen G Got Worse>"
gen g was burned out they literally played the most amount of matches. even if SEN or TH make it to the finals, GEN will still have more matches played
@@shinewymn didnt both GenG and SEN play 3 games in this tournament?
@@Artorias_The_Abysswalker1 nono i was talking abt all games (playoffs, masters, stage 1 and 2) gen g made it to all finals
@@shinewymn excuses
@@flukeshot4562 u call that excuses? go ask the coach himself. do the math yourself. sen fans these days. absolute SENematically cringe
This aged like milk. Im gonna wait for "How weak SEN beat a better world champ GEN.G" 💀
I think sen are playing perfectly fine 💯💯💯
Delulu
@@Jtowchi you must be punching the air rn...
GenG are just different...
Asians are built diff
@@stickmanbattle997Asians got this work ethics when they want to achieve something
Bro really changed the title 💀
Now this is ironic
weh sorry just checking in
nah just APAC got some demon aimers ,just a aim duel diff
"They need to play more aggressive" bro they are literally SENTINELS (jk)
I’m so disappointed honestly
Same. Especially those god awful deadlock comp
Accept it SEN fans that T0NZ is shit along with Z0kken , bench them
will sen be the first one to go home?
GenG coming close to what Optic has achieved in a year. I wish they take 3rd position 😁
So they will be on same level plus they wont get the champions curse.
Guys they r still burnt out from Madrid trust they always win the first one