26 days and counting since season 4 dropped and the C58 icon still doesn't show any attachments. Little things like this bother me an indescribable amount for no reason.
I feel you bro. It shows the lack of attention to detail before they drop updates. I noticed that the very first time I picked one up, how could their testers not? 🤔
imo yes that's not only possible but obvious looking across the history of warzone. The Grau, the AS Val, the Jak-12, the SP-R 208, the Cold War guns when CW came out, the Swiss, the FARA and LC10... really, if you break it down, pretty much every season introduces at least one broken new gun - or if the guns aren't immediately meta, they're often buffed shortly afterwards to become meta (i.e. Swiss K31). That's how they keep battlepass sales high, and I think they intentionally did it with the Cold War guns too so more people would buy it and play it for unlocking the weapons.
@@ominous5409 no it doesn’t. This thing has ZERO recoil. Definitely a bug. I’m frying kids at 200m with the C58 whereas I couldn’t even land shots at 80m with the AMAX
@@alexkimball515 that's a problem with the optic interaction itself not the C58 though. So Raven isn't doing anything to deliberately force players to grind for it lol. Especially since uh...it's a free gun
I still hate the fact that zoom optics help with recoil. I strongly prefer reddots or iron sights at all ranges, but its simply not practical to use those, if the zoom optic reduces recoil by a huge amount like they currently do.
It kinda makes sense tho cuz the iron sights have more recoil, but a lot less visual recoil. The high zoom optics have higher visual recoil but less actual recoil
I'm pretty sure JGOD said in one of his videos that the PBX 7 Holo sight helps like the VLK (maybe not to the same degree but still), so there is a close range option available.
I found this out myself. I was using thr c58 with the 3x and the ground loot blueprint felt more accurate to me. And then i hopped into plunder and tested it.
Instantly noticed the recoil and damage when I was trying out attachments for this gun a while back. I've been seeing more and more people run it but now its official lol. Its been satisfying beating all the FARA/KRIG kids left and right.
Honestly I think some CW weapons are way too accurate. They don't even feel like you're shooting a gun. While the ttks are under control now (compared to Dmr/far/...meta) the actual long range ttks are insane because it's so easy to hit nearly every shot.
@@Andrlz_ I mean some MW weapons are accurate as well (m13/pkm/mp7/...) but they have downsides (slow ttk/slow movement/slow bullet velocity/...) The CW guns don't have these downsides. The ttk is good, the movement is good, BV is decent. It's not just the recoil but the package as a whole which makes them so powerful.
I really need to start testing guns myself, instead of waiting for these GOATS to find them... I had no idea the 4x helped recoil THAT much on the C58.
I swear that COD/Warzone employees do these secret buffs so they and their close friends can take advantage of it while they play until word gets out, and then they nerf it. This sort of stuff happens way too often to be a fluke.
Love the videos. 4x is meta for sure on the C58. Any chance you could do a recoil pattern for each gun at 40 meters? Or whenever the 2nd damage drop off is. I get the recoil pattern at 15 meters, but if you're saying this is a long range meta, wouldn't it be better to show a recoil pattern at long range? I haven't seen anyone do that before, might be helpful. Keep up the good work Ace.
I knew at the beginning of season 4 when you pick up the legendary variant. Became the only gun I use. Once I unlocked the 4x with task force it was game over
lol Ace. Yesterday I watched your "worst gun in warzone." Must have been an older gun guide, but funny thing, this morning I removed all my C58 classes and reverted back to the Amax. Gonna have to give this set up a chance. I watched a video recently about the 4X, but I have trouble with the recoil animation with higher range scopes on the C58. thanks for the video
Before using the 4X I was really struggling with the recoil on longer range engagements. Then when I pop it out basically became no recoil lol. That shit is broken
I was actually wondering why a ground loot C58 had less recoil than my fully built one. The damn 4x scope! I took the 4x off because I heard about the recoil nerf. I guess I should've kept it on.
Once upon a time, there was a game called Titanfall 2 where, yours truly, spent a year never understanding why his smgs wouldn't work. Finally one day I headed to a range and discovered that they were all completely rigged, unlike any other class, to have pinpoint sniping range hip fire and absurd, over the top ads sway and ads recoil so that they would work as wall running tools while defying any sanity. I never really played that game again, since TF1 never, to my knowledge, did any such thing. Apex then released with shotguns that lost capacity by going ads and sniper rifles that were better shotguns than shotguns. I was hoping warzone was now past this junk, as I really want to play the new war type team mode.
dude I dont use a barrel and just use the regular suppressor on the fara with the designator flashlight and the hipfire on the fara is insane and it's amazing at range. It's an amazing all around gun
Yo thanks for the info and class! I literally got my first win with 11 kills which is my best and it was also the first game I didn't use the riot shield lol. I was using this with the cold war MP5.
Great job! One big favor? Could you mention the aid down sight speeds(I know it is a long range build but) and bullet velocity? Just one sentence so so I can leave your video knowing everything I need to know.
It might be another dumb pro of the C58 is that slow rate of fire also has you burning through ammo way less compared to the faster firing long range rifles
@@costanza7013 I don't think you understand how cross-play works I've turn cross-play off. It will not let you join any Warzone matches with cross-play turned off it is mandatory. PS it's easy to tell that you're a hacker
Hey XA, can you do a video comparing the regular gas mask and the durable gas mask? Something real quick but I’m pretty interested in it. Love the content!
@@jakecollen1776 This game is anything but realistic but the way optics have worked since warzone first came out is that the lower zoom optics feel like they have less recoil than higher zoom optics. So regardless of realism it just doesn't make sense.
How yo uthink it compares to the ak47? Il ltry out the c58 though because it seems really good, but i like quick ads guns and high movement guns with a bit more recoil, but i do think the c58 can be tsilored to that
i thought it felt better when i switched to the 4x a couple days ago.. i like the default sight for the 3x but i got a couple usable reticles for the 4x
Just a warning to those trying to finally rank this thing up in Cold War. The C58 is terrible in Cold War. Like, shoot someone in the back twice and get turned on and still lose the gun fight, terrible. So I found the fastest way to max this thing out was on Hardcore. I actually was playing Free-For-All since it's a pretty fast mode and during a 2xp weekend and I was ranking the C58 up between 1-3 levels each round.
The C58 does not kill faster in all situations as you mentioned. It actually kills slower at range in many cases because extremities and stomach get hit and the fara has a much faster TTK when extremities and the stomach are in the equation and only slightly slower if we are talking chest shots. There is a reason many people gravitate toward the FARA. One is rare of fire and controllability. But the other is that it kills very quickly consistently at range. Both are very good weapons. I would not put the c58 ahead tho.
Season 3 was Fara now it’s c58 I believe it is balanced with the fire rate and skill it takes to control it however the 4x should be similar to the 3x optic recoil.
It makes sense this gun would deal more damage at long range because I'm real life it fires the powerful 7.62x51mm NATO round but it should have more recoil. I don't know why they made this gun the CETME version instead of the G3. That's kinda a weird choice. But the gun should have recoil.
I don't know how you got this result. In my testing the 4X *does* drastically reduce C58 recoil (but does nothing for FARA), but it's still a solid 25% larger vertical recoil than FARA. Better than the 2X worse recoil with the 3X scope, but not the same or less than FARA. Mind you this is with 55 bullets vs 60 for FARA.
Don't do recoil tests with extended mags. If you do this, your gun will almost always have plenty of time to reach the gun's maximum recoil magnitude, regardless of recoil control attachments, even though it will rise to that magnitude slower than without the attachments.
@@nickinface ah yes, more non meta slaves. I run a plat crossbow, just works on squads with the insta gulag potential. Other than that, SPR and AS val work great on solos.
26 days and counting since season 4 dropped and the C58 icon still doesn't show any attachments. Little things like this bother me an indescribable amount for no reason.
DW the in game store is running perfectly though and is constantly updated! =/
out of context but litlle dpc latency lags are going to kill me
I feel you bro. It shows the lack of attention to detail before they drop updates. I noticed that the very first time I picked one up, how could their testers not? 🤔
Did they fix the ppsh yet? It did this too, but I don't really use it, so I haven't noticed if they fixed it
Don't worry mate, just buy a bundle, I bet they're working fine, cuz… I mean, I don't play anymore…
The C58, my most used gun in fallout 3..
Fallout 3 have this weapon? I don't remember.
@@smoklares9791 yeah, it's the normal assault rifle 🤗
Ohhh yeah!!!!
I knew it it looked familiar to me thnx
Frrr especially with that unique version in the Pitt
It practically becomes a automatic sniper with the 4x 😅
And I love when I take out the sniper with it
@@alexstachura11 this is sadly true
@@alexstachura11 they want to remove MW guns from the equation
@@alexstachura11 if there was no cw integration I guarantee u would be complaining about the lack of weapons in the game
@@alexstachura11 cancer could be cured and people like u would still find something to complain about
I was wondering when these videos would start popping up. Get ready for everyone to be running the C58.
yea another stupid unbalanced meta
I've been running the C58 since the beginning of season 4
At least it won't be every single person running the Fara anymore. It became the new grau and is extremely annoying 😂
Sometimes I wish they’d stay silent about these things when it comes to making people use guns cuz everyone just gonna use the gun now
Everyone’s been using it
best long range weapon deff 725 sawed off with sniper scope
With the slugs I hope that is
@@bobfranklin2572 no slugs be man
@@N4feYT the slugs are best at close range, but the buckshot is 10/10 hit scan at long range
Your gonna give it away, shhh
This is actually real, the one shot kill potential of the 725 is ridiculous with slugs
That's why when i first used the c85 from the ground loot when it dropped. It felt so good with 4x. It was since the beginning
4x shreds people are confused when they die. Soon it will infest and people complain for a nerf lol
Like allways ,every 10-14 days buffs and nerfs.
because they should if the devs listened to people like you we would still be on the absolutely ridiculous rpg meta
@@Typhus-th6ud Yeah. Im all for buffs and nerfs. I always like to use the best gun. But I like to switch it up also.
Because it literally needs one...
@HawksNest 5:13
ah yes
Is it possible Raven is doing this on purpose to ensure players grind for the new OP guns even when they are broken?
imo yes that's not only possible but obvious looking across the history of warzone. The Grau, the AS Val, the Jak-12, the SP-R 208, the Cold War guns when CW came out, the Swiss, the FARA and LC10... really, if you break it down, pretty much every season introduces at least one broken new gun - or if the guns aren't immediately meta, they're often buffed shortly afterwards to become meta (i.e. Swiss K31). That's how they keep battlepass sales high, and I think they intentionally did it with the Cold War guns too so more people would buy it and play it for unlocking the weapons.
What's broken about it exactly? It kills slower than the old amax and even has a greater amount of recoil to it.
@@ominous5409 no it doesn’t. This thing has ZERO recoil. Definitely a bug. I’m frying kids at 200m with the C58 whereas I couldn’t even land shots at 80m with the AMAX
@@alexkimball515 that's a problem with the optic interaction itself not the C58 though. So Raven isn't doing anything to deliberately force players to grind for it lol. Especially since uh...it's a free gun
Definitely possible.
Oooh this is a game changer
I still hate the fact that zoom optics help with recoil. I strongly prefer reddots or iron sights at all ranges, but its simply not practical to use those, if the zoom optic reduces recoil by a huge amount like they currently do.
It kinda makes sense tho cuz the iron sights have more recoil, but a lot less visual recoil. The high zoom optics have higher visual recoil but less actual recoil
I'm pretty sure JGOD said in one of his videos that the PBX 7 Holo sight helps like the VLK (maybe not to the same degree but still), so there is a close range option available.
I found this out myself. I was using thr c58 with the 3x and the ground loot blueprint felt more accurate to me. And then i hopped into plunder and tested it.
Does it even need field agent grip with that 4x?
If it has no recoil with the 4x scope why use the agent foregrip and use the raider stock for the C58??
To make it even more accurate. If you use it with a smg you don’t need raider stock because you would swap to your smg for close range fights.
I've used this every single day since it came out with this exact same setup and now I'm sad people are catching on! Lol
Instantly noticed the recoil and damage when I was trying out attachments for this gun a while back. I've been seeing more and more people run it but now its official lol. Its been satisfying beating all the FARA/KRIG kids left and right.
Honestly I think some CW weapons are way too accurate. They don't even feel like you're shooting a gun.
While the ttks are under control now (compared to Dmr/far/...meta) the actual long range ttks are insane because it's so easy to hit nearly every shot.
Well, they are basically lasers, especially if you compare them to MW weapons.
@@Andrlz_ I mean some MW weapons are accurate as well (m13/pkm/mp7/...) but they have downsides (slow ttk/slow movement/slow bullet velocity/...)
The CW guns don't have these downsides. The ttk is good, the movement is good, BV is decent. It's not just the recoil but the package as a whole which makes them so powerful.
@Mango, totally agree. The way CW weapons are balanced now is like a stab in back for playing MW.
I just don’t like it, and I can’t get into it. The stats are great, but it just feels off for me. I prefer the AMAX, AK47 and FARA to it.
If you like amax, its just a matter of get used to it, because c58 has better recoil and ttk
if you like the amax but dont like this how? theyre almost the exact same gun
What's your amax build?
Do u have rubberized grip tape on the amax?
I still use the kilo lol
New PC , amazing breakdowns ! What more could you ask for
PC nerd.
@@760Hambino I don't even have a PC 😅 ,but I wish I could have one
I really need to start testing guns myself, instead of waiting for these GOATS to find them... I had no idea the 4x helped recoil THAT much on the C58.
I swear that COD/Warzone employees do these secret buffs so they and their close friends can take advantage of it while they play until word gets out, and then they nerf it. This sort of stuff happens way too often to be a fluke.
I feel like they do it as a favor to content creators. These TH-camrs always have something to talk about… if there’s something to talk about
I think the Krig also has this massive recoil reduction like the C58 has when using the 4x scope.
Does anyone know how he has the enemies nameplates showing up like that in his gameplay?
It’s plunder
Since they merged the AMAX a bunch, I plan to use this gun once I level it up.
What's your thougts on FARA vs Krieg?
of course fara better
@@щиннер Haha (Love the avatar)
Love the work Ace!
Krig..always in my book. Feels so good.
Love the videos. 4x is meta for sure on the C58. Any chance you could do a recoil pattern for each gun at 40 meters? Or whenever the 2nd damage drop off is. I get the recoil pattern at 15 meters, but if you're saying this is a long range meta, wouldn't it be better to show a recoil pattern at long range? I haven't seen anyone do that before, might be helpful. Keep up the good work Ace.
As long as u know the recoil pattern that should be enough to know how to control it.
Can’t wait for Battlefield
Hopefully it causes Activision to take their game seriously & finally add a Anti-Cheat.
PLEASEEEE
I knew at the beginning of season 4 when you pick up the legendary variant. Became the only gun I use. Once I unlocked the 4x with task force it was game over
I'm a fairly new player that just started playing midway Season 3. The C58 definitely gave me those "feel like a pro" moments.
i agree, just a few days ago i switched out the fara for the c58 and its been working way better
How does it compare to the FiNN
is the 4x still broken on the c58 or did they fix it?
lol Ace. Yesterday I watched your "worst gun in warzone." Must have been an older gun guide, but funny thing, this morning I removed all my C58 classes and reverted back to the Amax. Gonna have to give this set up a chance. I watched a video recently about the 4X, but I have trouble with the recoil animation with higher range scopes on the C58. thanks for the video
I heard that the 4 times has a glint? is that correct.
With the c58 if you miss a shot the ttk increases a lot
i mean thats with any gun. with the fara your probably missing 3-4 shots if your aim is ass
@@d0giem yea but he’s saying the ttk increases a lot more with the C58 than others cuz of the much slower rate of fire.
Remember when using the vlk acog on the grau supposedly gave better recoil and that was all hogwash? Good times...
remember the last time u heard someone say hogwash? me neither
@@couldntthinkofaname2403 probably back when I was a part of the James Madison administration
Can you make a video about the fennec smg
The c58 is my favorite gun in insurgence sand storm
I still prefer the fara because its still very accurate and more forgiving
It feels like it recenters with the 4x. Can you test it on other slow firing guns? Are there others ? Maybe Dmr?
Did you try the AK with the 4x?
Wow thanks. Great to know
Thanks for the high quality vid
Before using the 4X I was really struggling with the recoil on longer range engagements. Then when I pop it out basically became no recoil lol. That shit is broken
Can you compare the Krig with the C58?
I was actually wondering why a ground loot C58 had less recoil than my fully built one. The damn 4x scope! I took the 4x off because I heard about the recoil nerf. I guess I should've kept it on.
Once upon a time, there was a game called Titanfall 2 where, yours truly, spent a year never understanding why his smgs wouldn't work. Finally one day I headed to a range and discovered that they were all completely rigged, unlike any other class, to have pinpoint sniping range hip fire and absurd, over the top ads sway and ads recoil so that they would work as wall running tools while defying any sanity. I never really played that game again, since TF1 never, to my knowledge, did any such thing. Apex then released with shotguns that lost capacity by going ads and sniper rifles that were better shotguns than shotguns. I was hoping warzone was now past this junk, as I really want to play the new war type team mode.
why are the cw guns the only ones getting better?
To unfortunately promote the lackluster CW.
Just got a solo win with this C58 setup. Secondary was a good old Mac-10. Great combo!
Would it be the same for Cold War?
Man they nerfed my Amax just for this gun to take its place.
man fuck the amax the most basic ass gun
dude I dont use a barrel and just use the regular suppressor on the fara with the designator flashlight and the hipfire on the fara is insane and it's amazing at range. It's an amazing all around gun
Been using the c58 since its came out
Thanks Ace, you still do it better
Even after using a variety of Guns, FARA is my Favourite. It’s Ease of Use is just perfect for me. But C58 is Amazing as well.
Doesn’t the 4x have glint?
ace u do a great job with making videos that are relevant like every video u make is something that im actually interested in watching
I’m stuck on the Krig 6 with 3x. It destroys. But I’m going to give the C58 a try with your build.
Great, now I will spend hours leveling this up to have it nerfed 2 days later!
Same
Welp, que the C58 explosion. I’ve been preaching this gun since the start
Ay
Ace thoughts on MW Aug right now? I been using it for close range and it feels good and seems to down fast
Yo thanks for the info and class! I literally got my first win with 11 kills which is my best and it was also the first game I didn't use the riot shield lol. I was using this with the cold war MP5.
Great job! One big favor? Could you mention the aid down sight speeds(I know it is a long range build but) and bullet velocity? Just one sentence so so I can leave your video knowing everything I need to know.
truegamedata.com , the 45 round mag for the best ads speed + mag
It might be another dumb pro of the C58 is that slow rate of fire also has you burning through ammo way less compared to the faster firing long range rifles
Wow that would really be great if I wasn't getting killed by hackers every f****** 2 minutes
Crossplay off bro
@@costanza7013 that doesn’t fix the problem for pc players
@@costanza7013 I don't think you understand how cross-play works I've turn cross-play off. It will not let you join any Warzone matches with cross-play turned off it is mandatory. PS it's easy to tell that you're a hacker
Hey XA, can you do a video comparing the regular gas mask and the durable gas mask? Something real quick but I’m pretty interested in it. Love the content!
4x should always have better recoil reduction than the 3x since its more zoomed in and (i think) slower ADS
higher zoom optics should reduce recoil more than lower ones if it’s realistic
@@jakecollen1776 This game is anything but realistic but the way optics have worked since warzone first came out is that the lower zoom optics feel like they have less recoil than higher zoom optics. So regardless of realism it just doesn't make sense.
This just seems like the recoil reduction value was coded wrong
I bet you’re right. After they did the recoil nerf they probably forgot to embed it in the 4x
Check the Finn recoil pattern without the adverse barrel.
Since it came out I’ve been addicted to it. Though I’m curious about the 4x having glint even though it’s not on the sniper?
How yo uthink it compares to the ak47? Il ltry out the c58 though because it seems really good, but i like quick ads guns and high movement guns with a bit more recoil, but i do think the c58 can be tsilored to that
It definitely can.
Getting this dm ultra in cold war was absolutely hell
Your game looks amazing on PC ❤️
Fara is literally better in every way over every AR
It's maybe a bug but I like it, 4x is a bit too zoomed in most fights, in fully auto guns it should have some perks.
Oden is a beast on Long Range. Reduce recoil to the max and it’s really good
i thought it felt better when i switched to the 4x a couple days ago.. i like the default sight for the 3x but i got a couple usable reticles for the 4x
Ive been using c58 4x since the gun came out so easy to hit headshots
How 4x optic work for stoner?
Just a warning to those trying to finally rank this thing up in Cold War. The C58 is terrible in Cold War. Like, shoot someone in the back twice and get turned on and still lose the gun fight, terrible. So I found the fastest way to max this thing out was on Hardcore. I actually was playing Free-For-All since it's a pretty fast mode and during a 2xp weekend and I was ranking the C58 up between 1-3 levels each round.
the 4x is also the main optic for ground loot c58’s
Been using it for 1 month and it's great
The C58 does not kill faster in all situations as you mentioned. It actually kills slower at range in many cases because extremities and stomach get hit and the fara has a much faster TTK when extremities and the stomach are in the equation and only slightly slower if we are talking chest shots. There is a reason many people gravitate toward the FARA. One is rare of fire and controllability. But the other is that it kills very quickly consistently at range. Both are very good weapons. I would not put the c58 ahead tho.
i think they mixed up the 3x & 4x on the c58
Yeah I use this gun a lot
At long range, 1 headshot will reduce the TTK back down to 541 ms, which is insane!
C58 is crazy but I think Fara and Amax are good too. If you are very skilled you can use the AK on long ranges too.
What about bullet velocity?
It's fairly standard for ARs
You and jgod are the best. Passed Truegamedata in the rankings
Season 3 was Fara now it’s c58 I believe it is balanced with the fire rate and skill it takes to control it however the 4x should be similar to the 3x optic recoil.
c58 with a close range secondary is amazing. i like using the Fennec since it’s fun as an off meta weapon
Milano is better
@@antwilliams296 i’m using off meta weapons, more fun
It makes sense this gun would deal more damage at long range because I'm real life it fires the powerful 7.62x51mm NATO round but it should have more recoil. I don't know why they made this gun the CETME version instead of the G3. That's kinda a weird choice. But the gun should have recoil.
I don't know how you got this result. In my testing the 4X *does* drastically reduce C58 recoil (but does nothing for FARA), but it's still a solid 25% larger vertical recoil than FARA. Better than the 2X worse recoil with the 3X scope, but not the same or less than FARA. Mind you this is with 55 bullets vs 60 for FARA.
Don't do recoil tests with extended mags. If you do this, your gun will almost always have plenty of time to reach the gun's maximum recoil magnitude, regardless of recoil control attachments, even though it will rise to that magnitude slower than without the attachments.
@@TheXclusiveAce TY! that's why I just watch youtube instead of making videos :)
Also just want to remind everyone that the FFAR and the AMAX used to kill in 460 ms.
When putting on an optic somehow reduces gun kick
I use my pkm I wiped a whole trio at the last circle😁
My brother
We are not meta slaves
I run a platinum pkm with vlk
@@nickinface ah yes, more non meta slaves.
I run a plat crossbow, just works on squads with the insta gulag potential. Other than that, SPR and AS val work great on solos.
C58 and Cold War mp5 are a killer combo
Why is no one talking about the xm4 as long range? It broken
Super OP! The recent recoil reduction wasn’t needed after the barrel buffs. Not sure why no one has talked about it.