The SHROUD of TURIN - JESUS' PHOTOGRAPH? - Gary Habermas
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David Wood asks Gary Habermas whether he thinks the Shroud of Turin is a photograph of Jesus rising from the dead.
This shroud of Turin has no affect on my faith whatsoever, whether it's real or not. However the night that I was praying alone in my bed, with tears flowing, and I finally surrendered my life over to God and I experienced the Holy Spirit, with the greatest joy, fill my soul just over 51 years ago, now that is something that affected my faith forever that no one can take away. Thank you Jesus!!!
Your experience is good for you.
The facts of Jesus' life, death and resurrection are good for all humanity. Sorry such evidence,that helps others, "has no affect on you whatsoever."
@@gregrice1354 I am in total agreement with you that Jesus' life, death and resurrection are good for all humanity. It is the message of Jesus' life, death and resurrection that bring all people groups of the world to God. The reason we know this is based upon the testimony of the Apostles' account and the other original eyewitnesses that have been passed down through the last 1900+ years. That's the point, our faith is based upon the eyewitness' account, not upon some cloth material that may or may not be the actual shroud that Jesus' body was wrapped in. If you will recall in 2 Kings 18 that King Hezekiah destroyed the bronze serpent that Moses built so when the Israelites looked upon it they healed from the serpent's bite. The people of Israel were making offerings to the bronze serpent, which they had turned into an idol. King Hezekiah did what was right in the eyes of the Lord. We can only imagine if the Arc of the Covenant was found what people would be doing today. God's moral law, the Ten Commandments, still apply to us today and our human tendencies are ready to bow before images we believe to be holy.
Amen! Thank you, Lord Jesus!
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were you doing drugs or alcohol that nigh?
@@elvis6244 No
you cannot fake what you cannot make
True, no one has been able to fake the shroud with any credibility. Yet there are claims on this thread that it's a fake.
@@TGcomments those people are anti Christ masquearding as Christians
This verse proves it is fake....Joh 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. ... Lazarus who Jesus resurrected also had a napkin covering his fce, that was the custom in that day.
@@jannettesamuel844they have the face cloth as well. The image matches perfectly. Have you not seen it??? It’s called the sudarium of oviedo
@@jannettesamuel844 ever heard of the sudarium of oviedo?
I believe it was caused by a truly massive emanation of pure light from Christ's body as he rose
The light would be a secondary effect from the energy produced to re-animate His body and Spirt.
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
@@shaunhuxley3275 do you believe in fairies, leprechauns and Santa Claus .
@philipcollins218 no I don't. I believe in the preponderance of evidence and science, and the inability to reproduce this artifact.
This is an interesting idea... for which there is absolutely no evidence.
Whether the shroud is real or not, the Resurrection of the Christ is real, and with that Jesus declared victory over satan, over sin, and over death. Accept Him as your Savior today.
Is zero proof of the resurrections
You can't even prove Jesus ever existed. There is not a single contemporaneous written account of his alleged existence.
@@rickdavies4801history & science proves you an uneducated liar & destined to hell.
ZERO proof of your false belief
@iancole931I think you misunderstand the definition of “faith”…..
@@Isaacmantx but the above comment didnt quote 'faith'...he said the resurrection is 'real'......which of course he cant say because if something is proved as real 'faith' and 'belief' no longer are needed.
What is hard to dispute is the fact that a burst of energy left the 3D image that is seen when viewed as a negative
When did mankind discover forms of radiation,, after the discovery electricity to start with, sometime in the 20th century.
My two cents says it is an actual image of our Savior, made as He burst forth from death to life, conquering death, frequency un-determined.
OUR LORD LIVES!
Amen. That's what I think too. The Shroud is the real deal, as far as I'm concerned. How else could something like this exist if not for the miracle of the resurrection of Jesus Christ in the tomb? It can't be replicated with it's unique properties even today. Let the skeptics try, they can't.
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
@@LennyCash777This should make us 10 times more bold to speak the truth throughout the world and convert all civilizations for the glory of Jesus Christ the only true Lord and God.
@@amjidhuss1092 Read John 14: 8-9, also read ISA 48 talks of the Trinity, read verse 16.
@@VirginMostPowerfull consider 1947-48 time frame, the Dead Sea Scrolls, giving us ISA 66:8. ”who has heard of such a thing… “ at the same time Israel is born in one day by the hand of GOD, through the UN, a third thing also happened: an earthquake in Turkey caused Noah’s ark to be revealed. He is real and coming back soon!
Jesus left us a selfie for the Thomases of the future.
Brilliant comment
The poor old Thomases are still stuck with carbon dating to the 13th century or whatever though. Why does every...single...evidence for christianity need to be marred with controversy? Personally, I won't believe unless I can personally finger Jesus' holes - if it was good enough for the original Thomas, it should be good enough for me.
@@defect0r1 Your choice of words leaves much to be desired.
@@defect0r1
If you believe 13th century people were able to forge that, then at least you're able to believe in miracles. You're on the right track.
As for the dating though, there there are explanations.
Jesus was black.. Breaking News!!
"He is not here! He Is RISEN"!!!❤
Come on! Where is he then?
When eternal life came into the Body Of The Messiah, a quantum singularity occurred so that his Kingship over all of existence would be known. He has touched all things at all times. The universe is completed. ❤
Amen!
@@petergaskin1811with His Father in Heaven!
The DNA tests were done on a re done, repaired, resewn section with different cloth. The 3 labs have been investigated as having a vested interest to say the cloth was a fake because they got money. Look it up. I am 83 now and started getting books and DVDs and watching shows since 1979. As the info grew, the only real screw and cheating (IMO) was 1988. Paired with the Suderium of Oviedo in Spain l would bet what's left of my life that it's the real deal. I love the new picture rendering of His face. Talk about an authentic man staring through the centuries back at me. Blessings everyone ❤
God Bless you Liz.
Yes. The story of sampling the wrong pieces has been reported. I didn’t hear about money being exchanged. However, the Roman Catholic Church is at fault for being overly protective of it and not correcting this with a sample from the inner portions.
God bless you Liz🙏💛
@@jamesdellaneve9005It was left to the experts to pick the sample. But none of the experts were in the room at 3 AM in the morning when 4 men entered and cut away the contaminated piece. 3 professors were paid £2M each in grants to find a wrong date. And for £2M each, they did, from 4% of the evidence, and falsified the Arizona results because they were not tested. The deception lasted from 1988 to 2005. The FOIR lodged in 1988 was answered 23 years later in 2011. On examination of the original data, the date was overturned as an intentional fraud. Six tests since put the cloth in the 1st century.
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
I'm about 70% that this is the genuine article. Either way my faith is not in a cloth but in the Lord who was crucified for me.
What does that mean?
Part photograph, part xray, part hologram. The moment Jesus came back to life.
My dad worked on a small shroud project with john jackson. The end result was a cardboard statue of the shroud that went on display at the Air Force Academy. But I was skeptical. Then after the c-14 testing, I was even more skeptical. In 1999, a second look at the proof for its authenticity, and the evidence for an encoded Bible, was enough to knock me to my knees. I've been a Christian since then.
I read about it in Jackson's Book. Seen the pictures.
Really cool man
@@WinItReigns - my dad worked for H.P. in Colorado Springs, and he put together equipment and software so Dr. Jackson could plot geometric cross sections of the Shroud. That information was used by the cadets at the AFA to build the Shroud statue. I always loved that my dad had a small role in the history of the Shroud.
@@FriendOfChrist The Shroud is a Window into the Grace, Favor, and Great Love of Christ.
@@FriendOfChrist I’m glad that you are a believer but is not the message of the gospel enough from actual eyewitnesses?
@@CoffeeCrazy - It wasn't for me. God knew how and when to reach me. I came out of the occult, and I hated Christians and the Bible. It was impossible for Christians to have a conversation with me. I wouldn't have given two flips for their evidence. I recently heard from a satanist who is considering Christ because I come at apologetics from a different position. Not everyone is moved by the things that move you. After I was born again, I wanted my son to know about Christian apologetics. It became a major part of his upbringing. He believed and was baptized. Eventually, he walked away and told me, "You wanted me to believe because of all the evidence. I just wanted to believe." His name is Luke. I hope you will pray for him.
The plot thickens! With or without the Shroud, the historical data points to a resurrected Jesus. Remarkable to think the Shroud may provide a type of photograph of Jesus!
No it doesn’t. You zealots are delusional.
Nonsense. We don't even have a single contemporaneous written account of his alleged existence, much less any "data points" indicating anyone ever rose from the dead.
Woods draws his conclusions based on the 1988 radiometric dating and not the modern radiometric dating which suggests that the cloth is much older
@@AlekoBel - None of that proves it was supernatural in origin, or that the burial cloth belonged to guy named Jesus, or that Jesus ever existed (he most likely did not and is a mythological character). It's still a forgery.
@@philly5330 No. Not in the slightest. No data outside of the biblical mythology suggests anyone resurrected.
I trusted the radio carbon dating until I saw where they took the samples from. All the samples were taken from the same part of cloth and the position of these samples was nearly flush with an obvious repair.
So if a recent repair skewed the results then you would expect their confidence rating to be low right? Well after a couple freedom of information requests we find out that the scientists threw out measurements in order to artificially raise the confidence margins to confirm (what they wanted).
I would be okay with another carbon dating run.. but at this point I feel like we should be allowing any non-destructive aging techniques to be done first. If this is the icon of Christ, we shouldn't be a.. burning it?
As an xray tech.. I know what it takes to make an xray image. And I'm familiar with photography. Photographs and likewise xrays.. do not encode 3d information. So You would need a medieval or older person to come up with an imaging technique is lost to us.. and on top of that.. this image has to last over 1000 years? pretty sure every picture I have ever taken wont be around that long!
I've seen a lot of bogus relics, this is not one of them.
As an xray tech, paint your face, then, put a white cloth on it. Notice HOW YOUR face is 10" WIDE?
what am I missing?
or, this is an xray from 2000 yrs ago?
@@MrGamman3yt The image on the shroud is not from paint. That is a common assumption.
@MrGamman3yt have you done research or at least watch the whole video? There were no paints. It was made from radiation
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
@@amjidhuss1092Jesus is the Word of God. The promise who is fully of God (Logos) but the Word became flesh. Human DNA. So that he could in the flesh deal with sin and victory over this world over satan the ruler because of sin. Satan thought he won but God raised the Son from the dead. Now we have power in Jesus name because those who wanted to kill him could do so but that itseld turned into victory. God himself provided a sacrifice. Read the Gospel of John and ask God to reveal to you who Jesus is. Dont go by human standards. Seek and you will find! Also John 14: 7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father;
The carbon dating was done on a repaired section of the cloth, hence its erroneous date
Well then why will they not let them take another piece from another part of the shroud.
It was cotton, not the original linen.
Yes it was from a repaired part they took the false date. Roy Rogers an athesist skeptic done anothertes and admitted it was the historical Jesus t
Every time I hear about Carbon dating I shake my head… one simply cannot accurately measure any specific age with any of the carbon dating processes.
Even tests of live animals deliver wildly ranging dates of thousands of years old. The same piece tested can have up to a 99% error dating when testing 2 parts of the same item.
One of the major flaws of carbon dating is that it presupposes carbon degrades at a constant rate throughout all history.
@@Letsgetiton41 Because the last thing any religious person wants is the truth !
Based on this investigation. It’s a REAL. But God didn’t want the Shroud to be worshipped. God wants your faith to come from the Word and not from a piece of cloth.
Christianity based on apostolic heritage and relics cannot be in the same sentence.
Whatever that cloth represents, I don't believe in such religion.
CHRISTIANITY ✝️ IS NOT PROTESTANTISM ! SO, MAKES NOOO DIFFERENCE UR BELIEFS 😮
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
We should honor the shroud, but not worship it. There's a difference.
@@VirginMostPowerfull all prophets had no powers miracles done for them by the one true God above. John 5:30 ►
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me
The explanation of the radiation coming from within and capturing the impression of the teeth makes sense. The radiation of the resurrection must have left the impressions on the cloth. I try to imagine what kind of light that was coming forth as Jesus rose from the dead. The evidence continues to point towards Jesus- He is risen!!! He is risen!!! Hallelujah!!!!
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
@@amjidhuss1092 chiffe knechtle talks about this in detail you go over there to learn
Indeed, He is risen.
@@amjidhuss1092Muslim Shuffle
@amjidhuss1092 nope. Jesus said more than once who he was and that they still did not listen or understand.
The Shroud bought me back after a lapse, they always rationalise what is miraculous
@@carpecervisiam9366 If the Shroud brought you back, that’s awesome. I encourage you to stay in the word of God and remember these words from the Apostle Paul “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.” Romans 1:16-17. “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” Romans 10:17
What I heard is that the radio carbon dating was done (purposfully) on a part of the cloth that was repaired after the fire in the 1300s. The original cloth was never actually dated.
Even then, I have a hard time imagining some artist in the middle ages firing up a nuclear reactor in his garage to make a convincing piece..
This proof is not for the believers, it's for those who try to disprove the historical account of the resurrection. God is shoving it in their face and making them non believers to work harder to not believe.
I’m a believer and it’s helped my faith a great deal and the more I study it like the Bible it really teaches you about God’s character. The best channel on TH-cam about this is Good Shepherd Productions.
@@mickjames7962 I'm sure this would help others strengthen their faith, especially for those who's felt distance or disconnected from Christ.
@@Thirst4livingwaterFor sure.
Can u explain why the pharoah from moses era is in his tomb? Where is the ark? Can u answer the freewill conundrums?
@@ra-neter6662 why does that matter or have anything to do with the video???
Like I said, " keep working harder"
Amen. Father I choose you over the enemy! I trust, believe, and surrender my life to you and your Son, Jesus Chtist!
The evidence for the Shroud to be authentic & genuine is in overwhelming favour compared to the idea of it being a fraud
Proof the shroud is fraudulent. th-cam.com/video/3z__YmRnx5M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5S-tlKNkDmmeXG44
🙄 You obviously skip all of the scientific evidence that proves it’s fabricated.
@@bdawg-qj9bqCan you specify “all of the scientific evidence”? I’ll wait.
@@bdawg-qj9bq feel free to give these scientific evidence's?
@@bdawg-qj9bq th-cam.com/video/3z__YmRnx5M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5S-tlKNkDmmeXG44
Dr. Habermas this is a good presentation & I like your part the best😇
The concern I have pertains to the standard carbon dating argument presented. It is important to note that the samples analyzed were taken from the portion of the Shroud that was repaired by the nuns of the Chapel of St. Mary Magdalene in Lirey, France. This is evidenced by the additional stitching, which aligns with the techniques employed by the nuns.
I understand that this video was recorded some time ago, and it is possible that this information was not widely known at that time.
The image is remarkable. The argument against the 1988 carbon dating has been that it was based on the strands of threads that may have been drawn from the parts of the shroud that was repaired during the mediaeval times after it was damaged by fire.
The image is not that of a man who was wrapped in it and then sealed in a tomb.
The flaws in carbon data have been well documented. It was a sampling error not representative of the image on the cloth.
As always with any religion...just keep moving the goal posts and coming up with wild stories in a desperate attempt to make things fit. Its time to give up and see the only thing religion brings the people of this earth is war and conflict.
@@malcolmstockbridge2569A relationship with God, That you build up by praying and reading his word doesnt have to do anything with Religion. Religion is made by humans, a real relationship with God is not
@@Linus-vc2vz You need to use Google to check out the definition of 'Religion'.....and then research what percentage of earths wars and conflict have been in the name of God and religion....99%.....thats far from a good relationship.
@@Linus-vc2vz just to help you........
the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.....Religion !
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
I have been reading about this since the late 1970s and I am about 95% sure that it is.
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
Is what? You forgot to say.
Totally authentic
The Shroud is a love letter written in light on linen to the Church
Some say it is a receipt stamped, "PAID IN FULL," but love letter works for me too. God bless.
I’m surprised David hasn’t seen the Pints with Aquinas video with the shroud expert from Rome, who’s also a Catholic Priest, going into ALL the “debunks” of the Shroud and literally debunk those lol. He’s said that the leading laboratories who did the radio carbon dating, not only admitted there was contamination during the test but also admitted they didn’t test 4 different areas of the shroud. But instead cut 4 pieces intended for testing, but ONLY ONE piece was used, that strip was cut into 4 pieces and those were sent out to the other labs. So ofc they came back with very similar results (medieval time period), and coincidentally the strip they used was the exact area that was patched up and repaired by French nuns after fire damage. I hope David does a bit more research ! 🙌🏽🙏🏽
TRUST CHRIST ALWAYS!
If I recall correctly, the carbon dating was done on stitch repair made on the cloth in the 14th century. That, I believe, was deliberate. Later dating on the original cloth places it at the time of Christ.
I'm in the Habermas camp on the shroud.
It's wonderful to see. Ted Turner brought it to Atlanta in the 80's, I think. He set up a beautiful room. I went. Seems few others came that day and I had time with no press. My heart rejoiced in that He's alive, but what a incredible picture of His death for me. It closed a "gap of long history", from thousands of years ... to right NOW. YES, He died; YES, He rose! Many testified as eye witnesses of both crucifixion and resurrection. None like Jesus. No religion comes close and SOME would even display Him as still dead on that cross! He is seated at the right hand of His Father; that's Bible! He is awaiting the Words, "Son, go get your Bride". ❤
Thanks for posting this Doc. It was you who turned me onto this subject waaaay back when at WTC. In fact, it was you who created my thirst for Apologetics. I cant say thank you enough.
Using a Superman action figure to illustrate the wrapping of a body in a shroud. Classic.😂
Both about as real as each other !
By his stripes I am healed, Isaiah 55. Dr. Habermas was my professor on an Online course from Liberty University. Thank you sir Dr. Habermas for your work. Thank you David. I do believe it is the shroud of Jesus. The head wound of crown of thorns impression. Remember God provide a ram whose horns were caught in the thorns and it was that animal he sacrificed in the place of Isaac his son. Genesis 22:13. “And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it as a burnt offering in the place of Isaac his son” .Everything points to Jesus the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
100%authentic gift from God that we too may physically see the risen Christ. 😮
The more I study the shroud the more I’m convinced it’s real.
Same here! Nothing ever points to it being a fake and everything points in the direction of it being the real deal. Is it not just incredible that in this day and age there are still some total _morons_ that will call it a fake? Boggles the mind. 🤦♂
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
So you're saying then that Jesus broke his own commandment?
@@amjidhuss1092 the claim that Jesus never claimed to be part of the trinity is 100 percent false.
@@mr.k1896 In John 5:30, i Jesus says, "I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of Him who sent me"
nobody can duplicate how to imprint a person's body into the burial cloth and the only explanation is the body turning to light during the resurrection.
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
@@amjidhuss1092 Jesus demonstrated his divinity and role within the Trinity through his miracles, such as healing the sick and raising the dead, which showcased divine power. He made direct claims to his divine nature, as seen in statements like “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). His resurrection from the dead was considered the ultimate proof of his divine identity. Additionally, events like his baptism, where the Father’s voice and the Holy Spirit’s presence were witnessed (Matthew 3:16-17), and his instruction to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19), are viewed as affirmations of the Trinity in Christian belief. The Trinity is the bases of the Christian belief and understanding Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
@@peppersprayyy all prophets had no powers miracles done for them by the one true God above. John 5:30 ►
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
How do you know that "nobody can duplicate how to imprint a person's body "?
@@constantgardener19 I don’t even think you get it, there is nothing then or known now by scientist that can duplicate the image to cloth in the state of the cloth.
I was watching a nuclear physicist explaining that if the image was created through radiation, that means that there's nuclear fission involved in the process and Nitrogen 14 could decompose into Carbon 14. That would add a lot more isotopes of carbon 14 on the dating, changing the results. There's also the blood tests: both cloths presente the same type AB blood with a high presence of bilirubin, an enzyme produced by the liver that increases after traumas and pain.
Yes, it is photograph of Jesus resurrection. Ultimate, preserved, miracle of God of most important event in history of mankind that is given for age of science. Before, it could be accepted by faith alone that it is cloth of Jesus, but not in a manner that we are talking about now.
The fact that it was in a fire in the 14th century is why the carbon dating states it was made then. Smoke saturation from the fire is giving the date of the fire- smoke is carbon!
So funny....thats NOT how carbon dating works !
If nobody can recreate the image with todays technology and the method by which the image is created remains a mystery after all the analysis done on the shroud, then I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is indeed an authentic burial cloth of Jesus and a proof of the resurrection
So...the fact that nobody today can part the red sea makes it real !......weird.
I BELIEVE THAT OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST IS THE IMAGE OF GOD IN THE FLESH. IF ROMAN CATHOLIC AND ORTHODOX CHURCH SHOW US THE IMAGE OF OUR LORD AS WHAT WE SEE IT SO BE IT. FOR THEY ARE THE TWO FOUNDATIONS OF CHRISTIANITY. I SUPPORT THEM FOR THEY ARE TEACHING THE WORD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. FROM ITS FRUITS YOU SHALL KNOW THEM… ALL PRAISE AND GLORY TO LORD JESUS CHRIST.🙏🏼
This message must be broadcasted throughout the world ❤
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
I praise God , for the evidence He left for us as a witness that he not only died for the sins of mankind but even so he rose again! Hallelujah ❤❤❤
Either way I think it's amazing and it gets me thinking about Jesus and His resurrection.
A photoimage of the instant of the ressurection... maybe. With God all things are possible.
Not one person in history has successfully recreated the image on the Shroud, point by point! Many have tried, ALL have failed. The image is on the topmost fibrils of the topmost threads of the cloth. And it can only really be seen from about 15' away. For example, if it is a painting, the artist would have to use a paintbrush that is 15' long with only one bristle. Then, he would have to touch the topmost fibrils with very little paint. You are sold on the 1988 c-14 tests, which were flawed, if you look at the evidence. The scientists/scholars who did the tests don't have an explanation that counters their critics. Do you?
For me it's a yes.. I feel it by looking at the picture.. Its the same face I saw in my dream last year mid September I saw Him.. My mother called divine mercy because it's Jesus with a thorned heart. I have a, lot if dreams that came true maybe it's the power from the divine grace.. Thnks David wood and Dr. For this video.. It strengthen my faith to God though I don't go to church but I'm a prayerful person.. I talked to God every minute 17 /7..365 days. His my best friend here.
In another video, a priest associated with the shroud study said that the samples used for C14 dating came from where the cloth is usually folded and also where the priests would handle it through the ages thus contamination through the ages. They were supposed to take seven samples, but wound up taking only one sample, from that suspect area, and then cut it into three pieces, then distributed those to the three labs.
For me, the shroud is real. But even if not, my faith and my trust in God is not based upon it. So, Whatever is said, my saviour remains Christ. ✝❤🔥
The 1988 dating was taken from a repaired portion.
Did you not read any comments before posting this?
You are about the sixth hundred person to repeat this
Not true, such a repair would have been detectable under microscopic examination, and no such evidence was found. This claim is disputed as rigorous protocols were followed to detect such issues, and the tests were cross-verified with laboratories blind to the sample's origins to prevent bias.
The official report from the dating process states that the sample came from the main body of the Shroud, away from any patches or charred areas.
Even STURP (Shroud of Turin Research Project) did not argue that the sample used for radiocarbon dating came from a repaired section of the Shroud.
@@tobias4411 Literally everything you said is false, you are not up to date with the latest findings, go watch some Barrie Schwortz the STURP photographer's videos.
Because that's the only portion that the Catholic authorities would allow to be tested. Evidence of nothing sonny.
@@tobias4411 false! Raymond Rogers already debunked your claim in peer-reviewed launched in 2005 at Thermochimica Acta. Rogers found cotton samples mixed with linen and the cotton was used ti repair area afected by fire in 1300's. NOBODY refuse this article. NO ONE!
Are there any examples of negative images prior to 1828 when the photographic process was invented? Why would someone in the ancient world create a negative image rather than a positive one? Then the superficiality of the image in the fibers is compelling, as we can't currently create such an image. It's a mystery.
Have you ever done a brass-rubbing?
@@constantgardener19 This was to address concerns that the image was created by an artist in some way, that it wouldn't make sense to make a negative image. Are you implying the shroud is a rubbing of a corpse?
@@gbennett58Are you being serious? What I am suggesting is that the way the image was created on the cloth is similar in a major respect to how a brass rubbing is done, i.e. the raised areas are the bits that get the pigment. It would be more likely that a clay or wooden image would have been made first to provide the three-dimensional object over which the cloth would have been draped. I'm not sure if an actual human body could have been used but that would not have had to be a corpse!
@@constantgardener19 I understand. What gets me are the parts of the image that could not have been contacted by the cloth.
@@gbennett58 I need your clarification here. Which parts of the image are you referring to?
He was the LIGHT of Mankind...
Criminally underrated channel with your knowledge and experience, Gary. I've watched dozens of speeches and talks (and maybe a debate or two??) and I've had no idea this entire time that you have a channel.
We don’t need for the shroud to be real in order to trust Christ, but that doesn’t mean that God didn’t leave us with it as another strong piece of evidence that Jesus rose from the dead, according to the scriptures. Praise God!
Russ Breault calls the Shroud “the Receipt of the Atonrment” giving proof that the Father has accepted the payment for the sins of the world.
Oh my brother David! Please! The LORD said it very clear! He would leave the sign of Jonah! Where is your faith? That is Our LORD AND SAVIOR! AMEN!!!!!!
50 years of "expert" analysis, and they can't say for sure. What a joke. It's the shroud of Jesus 100%. No PhD needed. Ave Maria.
The problem has been the Catholic Church's extreme "protectiveness" over the Shroud.
What's it got to do with Mary?
Not “can’t”, won’t. Also, the Catholic Church has possession of the shroud, so the OP is likely a Catholic.
What's the name of the blogger who introduced this video?
It is Dr. David Wood of the Apologetics Roadshow video blog.
It's absolutely a photograph of Jesus/Yashuah at the moment of his resurrection. But hard hearted people will always find a reason to deny that he even exists, at least as the son of God. There's so much evidence that the historical Jesus/Yashuah really did exist that they can't deny. But I believe it's an actual photograph of our rising Savor as it was happening. HalleuYah and praise 🙌 to the Father for such a wonderful gift to us in this time!
In my opinion were looking at a picture of the resurrection of Jesus Christ..no other cloth like it has been shown to compare or contrast..which means the Godless aint got one.
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
@@amjidhuss1092 did he not indeed, you need to read with better eyes than that..
@@amjidhuss1092 the father the son and the Holy Spirit. Doesn’t it sound better than a 50 year old man marrying a 6 year old child..🙏
Mary 12 when had Jesus joseph 97 by way she was not 6 she mature understanding life when they
@@amjidhuss1092 stop lying to yourself, Aisha was still playing with dolls when your pervert leader married her. Quoted in your own hadith..consummated the married age 9
As a 3D developer for 20+ yrs, 1000% its real.
How do you come to that conclusion
@@BesserGlauben the two pieces of evidence that stick out to me most are the stroboscopic photography and the photonegative relief map.
The image has been proven to have been caused by an electromagnetic radiation. Blast. Well, this happened a stroboscopic photography capture was created. This is when several movements are captured at the same time. There are five movements caught in the image of the shroud, so the body was in movement when the image was captured. To this day we cannot replicate the effect created on this route in 2000 years ago. They did not even know what stroboscopic photography was.
High resolution for the negative creates a perfect relief mat. No relief map can be scaled indefinitely as a 3-D distortion will become unreadable which creates various pointed edges when scaling. It is impossible as of 2024 to have a 3-D relief map scale indefinitely without creating distortion. The shroud is the only relief map they can be scaled indefinitely. At this time, it’s impossible to do so with any relief map at this time.
Recently, AI technology has located faint text on both sides of the chin in Latin and Greek. The text reads Nazarene and Jesus. There is no mention of divinity, which makes sense because he had not been canonized at that time. Are they fragments? AI has found “removed ninth hour”.
Think you could determine the size and shape of the light source?
@@BesserGlauben sure! there’s several reasons, but the two that stand out to me are -
1. The image has been discovered to be caused by a burst of electromagnetic radiation which they discovered in 2023. It displays five subtle movements, also known as a graphic photography. This is where a person is being photographed during movement, exposing several layers upon each other. The burst of energy works the same as an x-ray and displayed slight shifts of energy from inside the wrapping. This also happened from the back with the same effect. Proving the person wrapped in the cloth with the exact wounds of Jesus moved after they had been wrapped. There was no x-ray technology 2000 years ago to do a stroboscopic photographic capture.
2. The photo negative of the shroud creates a high resolution relief map. A relief map can be scaled to create terrains and other napping points typically based on ladder. As of 2024 we have no technology that will allow a relief map to be scaled indefinitely without creating distortion Except for the shroud. Using the phone negative scan, the relief map scale indefinitely, creating a 3-D version of our Lord. This is impossible to do with any relief map, except for the one on the shroud.
3. Computer handed image scanning by Barbara Frale used AI technology to locate a faint Greek text on both sides of the chin the text read “Nazarene” and “Jesus”.
There’s also other points, such as the rare soil and pollen only found indigenous to Jerusalem in Judea. They’ve also tested the blood type (AB) and found Bilirubin which is caused by extreme stress and severe injury. The Billy Rubin breaks down the red blood cells, which keeps the blood red as it shows on the shroud. The clots were created prior to the imaging on the cloth yet the blood clots remain and moved. New carbon dating places the shroud to the first century, the stitch use was only known of Fortress in Israel. Wide x-ray scattering tests shows this cannot be replicated as of 2024.
The image itself is caused by distortion on just 1/8 of the top layer of thread. No paint dies, vapors, scorching or other colour agents were found. The camera also tracks a human face.
To me, there is no question, the shroud is an image of our Lord Jesus Christ
@@nogodsnokingsonlymen8538 interesting question. I’m not sure. Scientists have said it would need 2,500,000,000 W to generate such an image.
Not important to the believers, you either have faith or you don't. If you want proof you will never accept faith as the most important attribute to believing in God.
Acts 1:3
Now shut up alpha. All you do is flap your fat lips and hurt peoples faith. You love to play pious while scoffing at those brothers and sisters weaker in the faith.
When you meet a scientist who truly love & honor their disciplines … & you know, they are prepared to go where the data takes them…that is who God aligned to do this research … & in whom Jesus graced with brilliant minds (& integrity) to follow through to the best of their abilities … & we are blessed to be granted access to their work (& contemplations) 🙏🏼Thank You, Lord…for all the ways You are still calling the hearts of humanity to Yourself 🕎📖✝️..
In the Spring of 2010 Jesus appeared to me in my home during the late afternoon, I saw him head to toe and the sudarium covered his face, but at that time I did not know what a sudarium was. It was later that I learned of the burial cloth over his face, and later still that I learned about the Shroud. I don't have to wonder about its authenticity, nor did Barry Schworz.
So evidently there is no current technology to reproduce this kind of an image on a cloth. If we don’t have it now, they didn’t have it in the 13th century, much less the 1st century. The piece of cloth that was carbon dated is my understanding from a later cloth sowed on to the original after the fire damaged it. Correct me if I’m wrong about that. There are no similar images on other burial cloths from that time, and the wounds on the body of the man on the shroud correspond to the gospels narratives. I don’t personally care if it is original or not. This is the facts we have been given. No explanation with current methods and technology. Seems someone was a lot smarter than us a long time ago to get that image on there.
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
@@amjidhuss1092many times in the New Testament he refers to himself as the Son of Man. This goes right back to the Prophet Daniel in the Old Testament where in his vision this Son of Man is apparently human and he is ushered into the presence of the ancient of days and it further says he is worshipped. There are many old testament references to the plurality of Yahweh. When Jesus was on trial before the crucifixion he said to the Jews that they would see him coming on the clouds of heaven. To the Jews this was blasphemy because Jesus was claiming to be Yahweh.
So I can go all over the New Testament and point to passages the Jesus claimed He was Yahweh, but I suspect you have reservations that the New Testament is actually true and probably has been corrupted? I would respectfully ask you to prove how it has been corrupted?
When this object was made in the 14th century, then-current technology was all they had. The Sudarium of Oviedo is another example of a cloth similar to the Shroud of Turin.
There is additional evidence that would point to the Shroud being older than the 1300s that Dr Habermas points out in other lectures. Many of the paintings or other depictions of Jesus going back well before 1300 seem to be based off the image on the shroud. I think that proving conclusively that the shroud is real is impossible, but the more I learn the more I fall into the 70-90% certainty range with Dr Habermas.
Exactly!! Look at the famous Sr Catherine icon of Jesus, dating from the 6th century. It shows a bearded Jesus, just like on the Shroud. Yet depictions of Jesus from the earliest centuries show Him clean-shaven, Roman-style. What changed? The Shroud was brought to Constantinople.
The facial cloth known as the Sudarium of Oviedo dates back to 570 AD and the blood stains on that cloth have been shown to match the blood stains of the Shroud of Turin. Both are mention in John 20:7.
The depictions of Jesus going back before 1300 are not based off the shroud, which has no provenance before the late medieval period. The artist who confessed to having "cunningly made" the Shroud would have based his depiction on traditionally accepted depictions of Jesus.
It was xray dated to 1st century. Get informed.
Carbon deposition from a medieval fire accounts for C dating issues
Contains pollen from plants that only bloomed in Jerusalem and which went extinct 300 AD
Also contains myrrh and aloe residue
It is very clear from this scripture that the burial cloths were two separate cloths not one. Conclusion: The shroud is not Jesus burial cloth.
John 20:6 Simon Peter arrived just after him. He entered the tomb and saw the linen cloths lying there. 7 The cloth that had been around Jesus’ head was rolled up, lying separate from the linen cloths.
The other is known as the Sudarium of Oviedo. It has been in Spain since the early 7th century. You might want to learn something about THAT relic and come to your own conclusions.
@@Jennifer-h5f This is not a very good representation of a face. By the way with any image that is supposed to be of Christ , if there is one, which I doubt there is, it would not have long hair.
1 Corinthians 11:14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace for him, 15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.16 If anyone intends to quarrel about this, we have no other practice, nor do the churches of God.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
@@MrnMrsHaney the Sudarium has no image. It is a blood stained cloth. But it is worthy of investigation by itself and for the characteristics it has in common with the Shroud. This is easily Googled and there are multiple videos on this “relic,” if you are interested.
This is the best description I've ever seen or heard for the shroud.
I live in england uk. In the summer we visited louth which we love and went in the church in the town that we have visited many times before and had a drink in their cafe. We sat faceing the big doors which were open. On the stone surrounding the doors i saw jesus in the stone his face i could not believe it and the more i looked i just knew it was him. I asked my husband if he could see it he said yes we both started to draw what we saw as there were crayons and paper near by for children. I drew what i could see which was a long forehead his middle of his face also and the bottom of his face was very long he had a beard but it wasent pointed it seemed to fit his long face. He had 3 small points just above his forehead like a crown but the points were not big very small. I felt so excited i just wanted to ask people if they could see what i could see but didant. The picture was very much like the face on the tyrian cloth. I went up to it to take apic but when i got up to it all there was was studs in the stone. But when i sat down i could still see what i thought was jesus face. My husband didant draw what i seen. My imagination i dont no.
The shroud sounds like something our God would do for us. He is most faithful and true.
Your God is a Sumerian monster.
I appreciate David Wood's healthy skepticism. I think it shows that he's carefully considering the evidence and trying to correctly weigh the arguments for and against. One thing I know: we must not worship the shroud, nor hold it to be more than a good piece of evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. Ultimately, it is a thing that might point toward the truth of the Bible, yet the Bible itself is what we look to for our understanding of God, His mercy and grace to us, and how we should believe and worship Him.
why would Jesus say there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. John 17:3 ►
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Matthew 21:11 ►
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Jesus never said himself hes divine or God or part of trinity
It’s an absolute miracle and perhaps the only genuine icon.
healthy skepticism?
His income derives from a large following of credulous Christians who love his videos about how wrong everyone is to deny Christianity - and you think he's skeptical?
Show me a single apologist with an audience that believes the shroud is real who has asserted that it is a fake. It hasn't happened, because they couldn't make money from it.
Actually, the Church is the body of Christ, not the Bible. We are not to worship the Bible. We worship God through His Church.
Nothing wrong with healthy skepticism, but this guy is extremely skeptical in light of the overwhelming evidence, including sod, pollen and x-ray testing that trumps the flawed carbon-14 testing. There is no reason now to be less than 50%, and this guy is weirdly at 20-30%
The evidence that came out a couple of weeks ago places the Shroud at the time or Our Lord.
Provide your evidence, please.
I don’t know if the shroud is authentic or not, but I do have a lot of confidence in Dr. Habermas especially in his area of NDE’s. I like the information that the shroud reveals about the crucifixion of people.
Metatron did a video one year ago and it was spectacular. Loved it, I'm pretty much on top of this being authentic.
the 1300 AD result came about because they took samples from repaired sections of the shroud. The repairs were done by medieval french nuns after fire damage.
They dated the Shroud for around 1300ad with carbon dating and claim it is not the original of Jesus' shroud or authentic. But the testing was done on a portion of the shroud that was repaired in the year 1534 from a fire that took place. The repaired portion was done using cotton and not linen. The shroud in those times only used linen. Therefore, if a test were to be done today on the linen section of the shroud, it would date to the time of Jesus.
I believe this could be the actual Shroud of Jesus Christ. Wrong or right, doesn't change my belief in God's Son nor what the bible states. I find this all to be so wonderful and gives us all hope and faith. God is amazing....
It’s very interesting that he doesn’t mention that the part that was carbonated isn’t original fabric to the shroud. It was later put on during that time the 1300. because of the fire that the shroud went through.
Indeed! They carbon dated a patch that contained cotton!
Not true, such a repair would have been detectable under microscopic examination, and no such evidence was found. This claim is disputed as rigorous protocols were followed to detect such issues, and the tests were cross-verified with laboratories blind to the sample's origins to prevent bias.
The official report from the dating process states that the sample came from the main body of the Shroud, away from any patches or charred areas.
Even STURP (Shroud of Turin Research Project) did not argue that the sample used for radiocarbon dating came from a repaired section of the Shroud.
@@tobias4411 The same sample was sent to all labs, it was an idiotic test.
@@feignit I have done lots of research, you are extremely ignorant! Is your faith so strong that the facts don't matter anymore? 😳.
The radiocarbon dating of the Shroud involved several rigorous protocols to ensure accuracy and objectivity;
1.Inter-laboratory comparison
Three independent labs to minimize bias and cross-verify results by comparing findings from different teams.
2. Blind testing
The laboratories were blind to the origins of the samples to prevent any preconceived notions or biases from affecting the results.
3. Sample Preparation
Strict sample preparation methods were employed to remove contaminants and ensure that the samples used for dating were as clean as possible.
4. Use of advanced technology
The laboratories used the best available instruments at the time for radiocarbon dating, ensuring high precision in the measurements.
(Ref: See paper "Studies on the radiocarbon sample from the shroud of turin" from ScienceDirect)
@@mariongranbruheim4090Three, independent top laboratories. They had the best instruments available, advanced technology.
Not a chance they all would miss it if there were cotton. Don't be ignorant to facts. Just forget the Shroud is real magic cloth, and think rationally. 💡
The image on the shroud is miraculous
As a reader of The Urantia Book for fifty years, I have known the Shroud of Turin to be the burial cloth of Joshua ben Joseph, or Jesus, as he is commonly referred to. The image on the shroud was created as a result of the dissolution of his physical body; the resurrected Jesus had left his physical body, in spirit form, through the still sealed sepulcher. The angels of the resurrection were permitted to remove the physical body of Jesus, through the natural process of decay that any body would go through, except that the element of time was removed, making the dissolution of Jesus' body well-nigh instantaneous.
This removal of the time element was also utilized at the wedding at Cana, taking the elements necessary to make wine, yet removing the time element, allowing the instant maturation of wine. The Urantia Book answers many questions that time has not answered.
Elvis passed away in his bathroom reading a book he waited three months to arrive. He was an avid reader and traveled DAILY with a trunk of over 300+ books. 'A scientific search for the face of Jesus' by Frank Adams. I never knew about the shroud until I read this in numerous Biographies about Elvis. I became hooked on the Shroud & the science. I have my faith regaurdless but after Aug 2024 scientific data I believe WITHOUT A DOUBT its Jesus' cloth.
The radio carbon dating was done on ONE strip of cloth, cut into three pieces. That's completely dishonest, unprofessional, and unscientific.
Also, if you know anything about High Medieval Art, it looks *nothing* like the Shroud Image. No medieval artist had that degree of anatomical knowledge. And no High Medieval artist was even painting in a highly realistic style! Look at 13th-century art if you don't believe me.
Even today, no figurative artist can capture the anatomical accuracy of the Shroud Image. Not even close.
There are literally thousands of other data points,, from pollen to the scourge wounds (Crucifixion victims weren't usually scourged first).
WADR you really need to do some more digging!
Your comments about the anatomical accuracy of the Shroud image are jaw-droppingly inaccurate. Have you never seen late medieval tombs with effigies of those buried there? And your comment that "even today, no figurative artist can capture the anatomical accuracy of the Shroud image" is utter nonsense.
I saw a video showing that when men’s sperm unites with the women’s egg a flash of light occurs. It’s the spark of life. I believe this is what happened at the moment Jesus resurrected into His body but on a much higher scale.
This would be the best piece of physical evidence Christianity had yet no Gospel writer mentions it, neither does Peter nor Paul.
They don't mention it because it didn't exist.
John 20:7 does mention the facial cloth and the burial cloth. Perhaps, Peter and John took them to show the other disciples.
Well, probably because without modern techniques, it's hard to impossible to see anything on the shroud. So your question is, why didn't the disciples hold up a cloth with a little blood on it and use it as proof. It's modern technology that provides evidences that make it a somewhat convincing relic. Without that, it's just something cool enough for christians to preserve.
@@Josh-bn4ki But one of the dating techniques was how much the sepia image had faded in the linen suggesting at time zero, there was a very visible image.
The shroud is mentioned in the scripture .Matthew 27:59-60
[59]When Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
[60]and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and departed.
John says if everything was written no one could open the book, let me ask did Jesus visit the bathroom in this life ?it is not written ,so how can we believe he was truly a human ?John 20:7
[7]and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself.
(The Apostles were all terrified and also joyous , some things like the shroud may have been kept so well.not to be lost ,as the church was under terrible persecution ,such important physical evidences would be jealously kept ).
Cool stuff David and Gary. Love both your work. Glad that you David give it at worst 20% probability of genuineness. And you Gary give 70-90%. Personally I’m still on the fence but improved testing has made me sit higher.
There are some cool comments below. One person rejected the shroud originally but when further tests indicated flawed results on the 88 carbon dating found faith. Another who is presumably Muslim, harping on about how Jesus couldn’t be God and then launching into Momo apologetics, confirms the true faith about JC and how false prophets would come. ie, trying to distract and deceive. . Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word! Please continue praying and your incredible work. We live in incredible times. God bless you both x
One thing is certain: anything left to age for 15 centuries or more can't be easily duplicated. Think of an old wooden desk-an expert eye would be able to distinguish the original from a copy. Same for the shroud. How come? With all the science we have, we can't make a perfect copy from a simple desk?
My confidence in its authenticity is 98.6 percent.
My goodness, that's very specific. Where did you get the 0.6 per cent from?
@@constantgardener19 convert the percent to fahrenheit... This is what I say when I'm fairly certain. When I'm not, I'm 37 percent (celsius) certain
@@JustBCWi I have to say, this is a first!
It's real! Christ is King!
This looks like the negative image caused by the extreme LIGHT of GOD when His body was Resurrected and lifted to His throne .
Whst a think might be most valuable in the shroud is not whether it provides explicit evidence of the most important of events, which might be helpful to some, and of no consequence to others, but rather the portrait it supplies of truly overwhelming agonies endured by it Subject, which are extremely moving to the minds of those who are already convinced of them. It deepens the awareness of what we already have. It is not a polemic but an enlivening and an enriching.
Accidentally made something in the 1300's that we can not make today? Interesting.
Can you prove that?
@@Warriorking.1963 That it was interesting? No, I figured that was self evident.
@@catharsis77 I think we have a breakdown in communicatons here. Entirely my fault, I don't hide the fact I can be a bit thick at times.
I guess the easiest way to clear it up, is to ask you straight, do you believe the Shroud is genuine, or a medieval forgery?
@@Warriorking.1963 Yep. It can't be made with modern technology. Fact. People smarter than you can't do it.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven We're in total agreement Brother.
Of course it's real. It's the Holy Grail. There is so much evidence historical and scientific. I know it's hard for Protestants to accept, that God left an image which art has depicted since the 5th century, but there it is, the body and blood of Christ for all to see and undeniable proof of the resurrection..amazing
A lot of protestants do take it as an evidence if real and currently the evidence points to it being real also Protestants believe in the resurrection, Anglican Lutheran Calvinist baptist ana baptist Methodist pentecostal charismatics all believe in jesus birth death and resurrection
It's mostly atheists and other faiths that disagree with it to some degree
So according to you, the alleged burial clothes of Jesus are also the cup from which he drank during the last supper?
I have no doubts Catholics such as yourself are already praying to the shroud and worshipping it. Sorry. Venerating it......
Why hard for Protestants to accept? Genuine question 🙂
(I'm from a Protestant background, btw - now born again.)
To get your answer just look at the difference between Catholic churches and Protestant churches. Protestants don't allow images as they see it as idolatry. They don't even allow crucifixes sooo
@@MsCazanova55 bit sarcy, not quite sure why. Protestants don't have images of Christ *that they worship.* We do have images of people in the churches (stained glass windows), and crosses.
Very disappointed Gary Habermas.
The truth becomes obvious folks if you read the bible!
Edit* for clarity of my position and comment.
In the 1st century traditional Jewish burial, the family & friends washed the dead body and anointed it with oil & spices.
The following scriptures tell us the story.
Matthew 27:56-61
Mark 15:40-47
Luke 23:50-56
John 19:33-40
to
John 20:7
With these verses we can summarize the scene.
A few highlights in the verses from John;
verses 33& 34 Jesus is already dead, a soldier pieced His side and blood & water gushed out. No longer bleeding.
* The women & John looked on.
* Joseph of Aramathaea & Nicodemus were there.
* Joseph supplied the tomb & Nicodemus supplied the myrrh & aloes.
* Joseph & Nicodemus WASHED the body and anointed it with oil & spices.
The woman followed on with them and witnessed.
John's account gives a little more detail, especially 20:4-7
Linen cloths - plural
verses 6-7
"Then comes Simon Peter following him and went into the sepulcher and sees the linen clothes lie.
And the napkin that was about His head not lying with the linen clothes but wrapped together in a place by itself."
Woah! Read that again!
One separate napkin for the head and at least 2 other linen cloths according to the word of God
The disciple John, witnessed this event and recorded it.
Believe it or not!
I've heard the 'argument ' for the shroud' and it does NOT come up to true record with the scriptures.
1. The body of Jesus Christ was washed and anointed with spices and oil by Joseph of Aramathaea & Nicodemus, so the there was no blood on Jesus' burial cloths to be a 'supernatural' Xray.
2. The science in the 1980's proved the cloth to be a Medi-eval time piece. One long piece.
Not several pieces as the scriptures testify to; one 'napkin' for the head and at least 2 for the body.
I believe this is the true & correct findings of a Medi-eval reproduction of the crucifixion gone wrong and the guy died and they immediately wrapped him in one long piece of linen cloth and the rest is history and relic worship.
It was common back then to go to extremes for this type of re-enactment of the crucifixtion from the 14th to 17th century.
Some countries today even go to extremes of the re-enactment.
There is a full length strip removed from the full shroud now reattached with stitching known to be 1st Century examples from Masada desert. These are the cloths used in Jesus's burial. The napkin referred to was applied around Jesus's head whilst he was still on the cross. It was used out of respect and to mop up blood mainly from the nose area. This is now known as the Sudarium of Oviedo and has a documented history back to Alexandria in the 500s. It has similar dirt particles and pollen to the Shroud and is the same blood type, AB.
@@anthonyrobb4858 You just regurgitated what the latest 'sensational non evidence' folks are saying.
My reply to your statements are;
1. Woman have known how to do stitching for thousands of years now.
2. These are not the same burial cloths of Jesus Christ as there was no blood left on the dead body when finally wrapped after being washed and anointed with spices and oil by Joseph of Aramathaea and Nicodemus.
3. Joseph of Aramathaea was a rich man and could afford any amount of burial cloth;
Why would there be a repair to a burial cloth in the 1st century by a very rich man who probably bought a bunch of them?
The same who was a traditional Jew and the dead body must be put into the grave before sundown as was the custom before the High Sabbath began, to do no work.
4. Show me proof from the scriptures that the napkin was on Jesus' head on the cross out of respect.
5 About the remainder, I don't care for relics that are worshiped.
6. Your replies also showed that you did NOT read the scriptures.
7. As a child of God it is imperative to your faith to read or listen to the true word of God.
8. The scientific test done in the 1980's proved to be a medi-eval timepiece.
Since it was common back then to do real live reproductions of the Crucifixion, I believe this to be a time when the re-enactment went too far and the dude died and they immediately wrapped him up in one long cloth.
Hence the amount of blood and one long single cloth.
Walla! - The shroud of Turin that people want to worship.
@@anthonyrobb4858 If you love God's truth & word, please re-read what I posted above with sincerity of the truth in mind.
@@MattKingsley-zy7dnthe concept that a dead body doesn't bleed is incomplete. Blood can still leak out of wounds for a time even though the heart is no longer bleeding.
The puncture to Christ's side was most likely after he died, it pierced His heart causing the flow of blood and a clear liquid. Crucifixion was a horrible way to die, the affect on the body was extreme, it causes stresses and swelling within the body given the position of the body.
@@katherinemcdaniel8676 After death, a body undergoes several changes that affect its ability to bleed. Initially, the blood remains unfixed and can move if the body’s position is changed. However, within a few hours, livor mortis sets in, causing the blood to settle in the lowest parts of the body. This process typically begins soon after death and is usually complete within six hours.
Therefore, while a dead body might bleed for a short period immediately after death, it generally cannot bleed for hours due to the settling and coagulation of blood.
The crucifixion of Jesus has been examined from various medical perspectives, and the consensus among many doctors is that Jesus likely experienced significant blood loss before he died.
Jesus' body was then pierced, and water and blood gushed out, after His death.
John 19:34
There would have been very little left.
I read that the shroud had been kept in a silver lined chest for quite a long period at one time. That would alter the rate of radioactive decay of the material somewhat also .
In medieval times they had mystery plays to educate folks about Christianity. I believe this is one of those mysteries, to get folks to think about Jesus and Who He is.
Love ya David - but when you say that your confidence is as low as 20%, largely because Carbon dating is 'pretty reliable' - you have a problem. The Carbon dating has been proven in error - agreed to even by one of the scientists that did it (the now editor of the Oxford Journal that recanted the dating). Your main reason is hence gone ... sooo ....?
I assume (perhaps wrongly) that David's hesitation might be my own regarding the carbon dating: why the hesitancy to do a *proper* carbon dating, if they're so confident in the x-ray testing? There's no reason not to do it right and eliminate the single biggest criticism of the shroud's authenticity. The suggestion that they don't want to tamper with the shroud is absurd given the importance of the implication (not to mention the surface area of the shroud).
Carbon dating is flawed. The real question is why can't this shroud be re-created.
Investigate further, please! There are HUGE issues with the carbon dating.
@@dianekamer8341 Referring to my response, I believe David knows these issues. The problem now is why they haven't simply done a *proper* carbon test, show it to line up with the X-ray test and the single biggest obstacle to believing its authenticity in the case of a believer (and at least the date in the case of the nonbeliever) is effectively removed.
@@TheJavsoloFirst you would have to know the conditions. But the biggest question would be , why would GOD ALLOW an image of Jesus to be discovered over 1300 years roughly after his burial and his ascension? Then we have to look at scripture to find out why he would hide Moses body but allow the image of Jesus who of course is greater than Moses to be uncovered? Now I don’t need any artifacts to arouse my faith in Christ, nor do I believe it is necessary for the gospel. This is all speculation and there is NO evidence that this is Jesus burial cloth.
No graven images think about that
Catholics would rather have physical relics than have blind faith
Don't *worship* any.
That is irrelevant to this entire discussion
Even a most basic reading of the gospels shows that this "shroud" could not be the one that covered Jesus' body. He was "wound" in Jewish burial clothes, not covered in a shroud, and his headpiece was entirely separate. Read your bible instead of looking for useless talismans. You must be born again.
Typical stupid Protestant remark.
I just looked it up in Matthew and the word translated “wrap” can mean fold or wrap in. The shroud definitely qualifies. Certainly not the gospel but for skeptics, we now have not just historical evidence of the resurrection but the most studied artifact in history points to its truthfulness.
@@mcsegeek1 exactly, not only was there a face cloth but linen cloth in the plural as in clothsssssssss. As we see in the account of Lazarus and other gospels of Jesus’ burial.
@@CoffeeCrazy ever heard of the sudarium?
@@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN The Sudra?
I was the one that provided the new testing method recently that proved it was from the time of Jesus.
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