I get there’s rule’s involved to keep reporters confidential but at least the judge should know if one of the parents involved made the report, IF allegations are found to be false.
I am invested now too! I am with you! I believe him and think Jen just wants her way,which is not fair to the father. I really want to see how this ends! By the way love your channel!❤
She could have at least reviewed her investigation and reports before testifying. She sounded like she barely knew what was going on, didn't remember a thing. Her words are directly effecting people's whole lives.
Some highlights to me: 7:37 CPS testimony - objection to identity of person who reported to CPS and who apparently didn't have first hand knowledge of the abuse they reported, but repeated what Ms. Clostermann told them. 28:26 Kids did not disclose any evidence in support of the allegations. 30:35 attorney arguing with judge about asking the witness questions related to the CPS investigation 34:34 move on, next question...lol. continuing on asking about the interviews with the children. 45:00 Informed Ms. Clostermann that not enough evidence was found to support the allegation so the investigation was bring closed. 46:05 first lawyer done questioning CPS witness. Moving on to questions from the other lawyer. 50:05 redirect - questions about 5 year old text message provided by ms. Clostermann. 55:25 - redirect about the safety plan. Confusion over who directed the plan. Doesn't override court order. 58:21 back to the other lawyer for cross on redirect. Questions about the 5 year old text message. 59:40 objection as being beyond the scope as question about the person who reported to CPS is brought up again but this time by the lawyer that objected to it before. Judge points out she objected before and he's going to continue his ruling. Although it is determined Ms. Clostermann is not the reporter. 1:00:56 lawyer asks for further redirect because other lawyer went beyond scope of her cross. Judge denies and asks for next witness. Lawyer asks for next witness to be the one she just called, so recalling the CPS witness. Judge and lawyer argue over bringing the witness back. 1:03:08 David Clostermann, next witness is called. Mostly questions about home environment. 1:12:14 pets brought up as part of family unit. Discussion on where pets go. 1:15:15 - dogs are an issue because poop and time. 1:20:15 concerns about mother's morals. Argues that mother does whatever she can to get her way. ( not gonna lie, stopped paying attention at some point as it was a lot of rehashing of convos and accusations and just overall typical arguments) 2:49:30 Back from Break! More discussion of differences in opinions!
Well, she didn't expect the Spanish inquisition. Mister's lawyer was so annoying, including her grating unpleasant voice, that she could have lost an easy win, and certainly would lose if it could have gone both ways.
The judge is like, I don't really care that she lied about her kids being sexually abused in order to hurt their dad. But I mean, if that doesn't make you a bad parent, what does?
CPS says they can’t identify her as the person who made the report, but I think Judge knows what type of woman she is regardless. I think that’s his demeanor. As if every time he ran his hands through I’d 1993 haircut you can hear him think “oh my god, come on, let’s wrap this up…”
I agree. After he got done trying to dissuade the lawyer from asking so many questions, the very next question she asked was very revealing, because it shows how devious the mother was acting.
I guarantee he has a past with the attorney and doesn’t like her someone needs to watch his cases and see how unfair he treats this lawyer I mean the cps witness the judge made the complete wrong call! the mothers lawyer brought up different things than what was on the other attorneys redirect I would of done the same thing as she did and say no I’m calling her back as a witness the defense needs to clear a witness a judge can’t just go oh I’m making your choice for you that’s insane!
So, the mother accuses the dad of doing things, things that she did not see, and, without even asking the kids, CPS says "okay well ignore the court order and don't give the kids back to the dad." The system is very broken.
I feel so sorry for those children. Using their children to get back at the soon to be ex spouse. My ex husband had one of these wives after me and my children have nothing to do with her now. Total backfire.
I really like this father and it sounds like he’s emotionally involved with his children and loved his wife deeply and gave 110% as often as he could but it wasn’t enough for her most of the time. Most women would do anything to have someone like him to father and raise their children. So many children with Deadbeat or abusive parents and I wish I had such a rational and mature father.
37 years of marriage and we "dirty text". I'd prefer him to text me as his wife as opposed to someone else.. This is insane. I tend to side with the husband on this wife seems vindictive.
I believe there should be criminal charge for any false allegations , I really don't like when people.abuse the system( cps, tpo, pfa, ) there are real cases that need that help. If it is proven ,false allegations there should be charges.
@@Cameron_Fyour right you can't prove innocence that doesn't take away from the original comment. Those that falsely use this route to attack a man deserve ramifications
There is a point where most people will lie to prevent losing whats most dear to them. This is to the point where they will even believe their own lie. I think the judicial system allows for this and just sides with the most crediable in those situations.
Oh, trust me, it's a terrible feeling to have false allegations made, and no, nothing's usually done to the person making the allegations. I had a lawyer laugh, when I asked if, since the person committed provable, perjury,and said "no, they don't go after that, just be glad they believed you, and couldn't prove the allegations". Ugh
Hlf way through, i can say my case from 20 years ago wasn't very different than this case. Now 20 years later, my ex has alienated the kids almost 100%. Don't underestimate passive aggression, especially over a long time.
Yeah nasty divorces have accusations like this quite often. One parent asserts that other parent does awful and irredeemable things in order to get custody, more child support, yadda yadda. Such a mess
If its the lawyers witness dont they get the last cross? I believe the dad. I think he said it perfectly when he said "things were fine until they werent" when he was talking about her using non-abusive situations and words and trying to make them abusive. I dont believe for a second this woman was physically (and prob not verbally) abused by this man and as someone who has survived an extremely abusive relationship it enrages me she is making up things to accuse him of abuse.
This is disturbingly similar to my divorce, up to and including the false allegations of SA. I feel for this guy, it’s tough being reasonable when you’re dealing with someone who literally sows chaos into any given situation. Also, having been a victim of spousal abuse, I can tell you that his reaction is 💯authentic. It damages you psychologically more than physically. No man wants to call the cops on a woman who is physically smaller/less capable of violence. It makes you question your identity, but it is a big deal. Don’t ever, ever, allow it to go unaddressed. If someone is willing to use violence against you, they don’t deserve your loyalty.
Also, CPS/CPT/DCF are not experts by any objective measurement, although the courts, especially family law judges who lack any family law experience) hold their findings in high esteem. Many of those folks go into that field with the best of intentions, but they are undereducated, overworked, and most of them only stay in those organizations long enough to get reimbursed for some of their education and then move on to private practice. It’s a tough job and like many government organizations, they are generally not open to questioning the party line, considering alternative theories, doing more than the surface level investigation, etc. Basically a “let’s get this file off my desk” kind of situation. They are also completely unaccountable by design.
Best Video yet, I like the interesting and comical, but this guys lawyer is doing a solid job. This is the part where I let you all know I am not a lawyer, but outside looking in, this Lawyer is painting an amazing picture of how this all went down.
The wife should be charged for making false SA abuse. How is it legal for someone to make such egregious claims knowing it lies and not be prosecuted for it.
The argument is then people will be afraid to come forward, but yes I feel like if it's 100%lies and done to hurt someone's name I agree it should be illegal
@@joe9743 I've heard that excuse so often, it's a load of bollocks, it's just another way to ensure women are not responsible for their own actions and avoid any accountability for the destruction they create in an attempt to get their own way. I know you aren't saying there is, but there is no way for the prosecution of those making demonstrable false reports to create a "chilling effect" for genuine victims because genuine victims aren't going to have evidence directly contradicting their claims, like photos or emails showing the alleged perpetrator was in a different state or in a meeting (take your pick really), because it would be a realistic impossibility. There is no excuse for these women (well, 98%+ are women) to not be held accountable for their actions, the damage it causes, the enormous financial impact, all of it. It is the pervasive and cancerous societal disposition to treat women as though they don't know the egregious nature of what they are doing, it has got to stop.
The mom hates the father more than she loves her kids... She smiles in the back while she's throwing him under the bus and makes up allegations ( Which is WRONG) and she should be held responsible for that.. She's harming her kids. Does she not see it? Edited: The judge, Idk. I really dont like him, I've seen him with other cases too.
Ok, serious comment. Years ago I was also in a relationship with somebody who would corner me like he described. I realized the goal of her tactic was to have me move her to escape, and she would claim pushing, etc. I did not dare. And Yes, it really happens. She was diagnosed as borderline, and these were her fits. When she had these episodes I would lock myself In a room to keep her away. .. In this world of believe all women, it was the worst relationship to be in. Luckily that was a long time ago. He's in for a long crazy ride with her since they have kids. Oh boy.
It definitely happens. I too involve myself in high risk/high reward relationships with crazy women. That being said, I'm not going to allow any of them to corner me or bully me. I just pull out my phone and start recording when they act like a psycho. They usually throw a switch and behave themselves when on video. Worst case I will walk past and then when they claim I brutally attacked, I'll just show the cop who responds. As much as they want to be a white knight for the very attractive damsel in distress, I wont be bullied by them either. I explain that to attempt to corner me and restrict my ability to move is in itself illegal, and here is the video of me walking past, there was no assault or battery. I had one still take me into custody, but as soon as I got in front of a commissioner, I explained the situation, she went and got the phone, I showed her the video, and I was immediately released. That cop eventually lost his job as he had already got several complaints against him and my complaint didn't help. 6 months later he was fired after attacking someone else. Anyhow, dating Crazy has its risks. You know what they are when you get involved.
This sounds like 2 relatively financially comfortable adults who are going to spend a butt load of money to air their dirty laundry that amounts to nothing in order to end up with joint custody, which they could have achieved with very little money and no drama. Ridiculous! SMH. I hated my ex, he had a lot of issues and even though I believed it would have been better for our daughter to be with me more, the damage that would have been done to all of us was not worth extending a fight over custody. As it was, he was constantly bringing me to court for 5 years even though we had 50/50. Nothing ever was changed, it was just a huge waste of money and court time.
You must have missed the part where the mother baselessly accuses the father of horrible things, is he not supposed to defend himself from such horrible accusations? Mother is physically abusive, is a liar and narcissist willing to ruin her husband’s life with falsehoods.
His refusal to throw her under the bus despite her efforts to throw him under a dozen by accusing him of abuse makes him seem like the far better option. He is completely reasonable despite her best efforts to make this into a knock down, drag out fight. Kudos to him.
His lawyer set him up several times to make her look bad and he stuck to the truth (even down playing some instances. His lawyer should have at least warned against that.) I hope the judge took that into consideration about what type of person he is, and what type of person she is.
Didn't get to see the live while working as I was rudely interrupted by job related things every 10 minutes. Watching while I prepare dinnner. Grim stuff and I'm sure he's about to bawl, Sweet Jesus 🙄
Mr's conflict style of "trying to make light" and "calming things down" can be challenging for someone like Mrs, who wants #1 validation and #2 immediate resolution. It's different attachment styles, at the core, and can become a huge problem if never addressed.
13 mins in and the most interesting is watching behavior of the parties. One gently petting a dog and the other listening intently and scribbling notes to lawyer.
I agree with the dad , this mom will say,lie or do anything to get what she wants . Over spending for Christmas is the worst thing you can do and it teaches children the wrong things in life that are not as important as a nice gift and a nuce meal with family . Money can not buy love . But kids learn from their parents on this aspect . I have always taught my kids to save money for the things that are important to them working was another big thing my kid all worked during high school by their choice . Grades had to be kept up .
I found it interesting the man's attorney was so antagonistic when it didn't seem needed. The CPS worker was basically stating things that would help her client yet she treated her like the enemy. She fought with the judge because she wasn't hearing and understanding what he was saying. Ugh... And it was just so much, So Much, SO MUCH.
I came to say the same thing! Listening while I work I thought that was the mother’s attorney first the way she was trying to make the CPS worker look incompetent in her investigation and techniques while interviewing the children
So many times men are accused of such actions and are put in jail on a registration and are innocent ....some because they didn't have the funds to pay legal representation and some because it ruins them beyond their own mental capacity....yet nothing is done to the false accuser....I am just astounded by the fact that a man can be accused and investigated for such things and the judges don't care about what he goes through mentally and act as if its no big deal
This is actually frightening! That CPS worker is in NO way qualified to do this job! We’re talking about the safety and welfare of children, many who are not even old enough to speak up for themselves. That worker has nowhere near the education and training and should absolutely not be in the position she is in !!
@@the_whetherman That would just be stupid, I’m not qualified either ! There’s no reason they do not continue their education and CLOSLY monitor less experienced/educated workers. Again, this is the protection of children we’re speaking of, many of whom are in VERY dangerous situations!!
58:40 - OOF! Massive stuff up. She's already asked "Do you think parents can still believe something is true even when you've found it isn't? and "Does CPS ever make mistakes?" Now she asks "Did the mum return the children as soon as your investigation concluded her allegations were bollox?"
How bad do things have to get to fall in love with someone, raise children together, go through years and years of working together as a team and loving each other and then one of them turns around and makes allegations like this because of a divorce? I mean how evil do people have to be I can't imagine my wife making claims like this about me after everything we've been through
Hagen is a typical family court judge - not good enough to do real law. Lori will real soon cease doing any kind of family law - she's far too good for it.
after the run in my family had with CPS I would not believe a word they say. They took the word of a stranger and although there were no facts treated it as though it was the law. They made our life a nightmare.
I don't think either person is perfect but who is? I never understood these kinds of proceedings until I was divorced and faced with co parenting my daughter. It's very hard to accept and share holidays etc. No excuse for lying on your spouse or talking about them disrespectfully. Just saying it's harder to walk it than talk it. Life's too short and I think we have to try to see the beauty in all change if possible.
Thank god I got sole custody of my children as a father. Women are proving more and more every day they’re just not deserving to be a parent. That woman’s behavior is disgusting, CPS proving once again they’re borderline useless. The system fails children so bad. All of this I bet is just because she wanted to sleep around, not lose anything and destroy that poor man in the process.
Oh my gosh! She’s sitting there smiling while the judge isn’t letting this lawyer get what she did into the record. It isn’t about what the kids said, it’s about what their mother said.
My Huzz & me been together almost 20 years 3 boys & we still text about gettin neked😊 we joke like that extreme to lighten the mood.. that wife is a joke that huzz is absolutely more credible
I'm in awe of Ms.Lori B. Schmeltzer and her incredible ability as an attorney. If I had ever been accused of such horrible acts, especially with the alleged victims being my children, and was innocent I would want it handled just like this. Leave nothing on the table, and absolutely no ability for anyone to ever be able squeeze out any doubts about my innocence.
1:02:13 what she is getting at is that women go into these womens centers the moment they file for divorce, they make wild accusations and ask the counselors to file the complaint for them so that they can use it in their divorce to get more favorable outcomes and ruin the husbands life or blackmail them into a better settlement. I had a dinner with a counselor at a womens shelter and she outeight told me they made spurious complaints all the time because they wanted to help these women fight the Patriarchy and other Leftists Feminst crap. Lawyers know full well most of these complaints are bogus but they do it anyway because then it puts the guy on the defensive fighting false accusations instead kf fighting the wife's ridiculous compensation demands or the wifes own activities and behavior that might have otherwise got her in trouble.
For the life of me I don’t understand why this judge is so unwilling to hear all the testimony. He has the prerogative to disregard any testimony he finds inappropriate.
The way he said “I’m fine, thank you,” when his lawyer asked if everyone could see the evidence picture of her bruise, rubbed me the wrong way. I almost wonder if the judge knows the wife is in the wrong and just wants to be done with it so that he can make his ruling.
Case worker is in CYA mode and not trustworthy. CPS drops ball and manipulates case details to appear compliant in hindsight. I’ve witnessed this more times than I can count in the Phila system where they use contractor agencies.
I'm actually disturbed how little training there is of CPS workers. 9-weeks is not long enough. There should be extensive training / a prerequisite should be psychology. There is so much nuance to abuse, especially from children. Edit: I'm sorry how does CPS NOT have authority to stop visits on an emergency basis until the case is completed?
Yes. And there's also so much nuance to just differences in living situations/parenting styles that can be construed as improper or inappropriate (non-sexually) like a cluttered but clean home, or a child who refuses to wear shoes at home, or the child who is neurodivergent who eats while moving around or situations where the parenting is significantly different than "the norm" or "standard" because of child's needs or parent's neurodivergent issues where it causes no harm, but CPS workers often see things through blinders, and the home life MUST look like their idea of home life/parenting or it's deemed immediately as "unsafe" or "inappropriate" or even "neglectful" or "abusive" when it absolutely isn't, but CPS doesn't actually listen to the parents they just come to their own conclusions based on assumptions and by comparing every family to a cookie cutter "approved" living situation and judging any deviation as wrong and bad. Sorry for the rant, I have experienced this BS from CPS. I apologize... . I'll stop now.
CPS is guided by title IV-D of the social security act. If 2 parents are paying, the state collects x2. It's not designed to reunite or to benefit "families."
@@ericjohnson5617 Title IV -D of the Social Security act is only for determining Paternity and child support. CPS is about Child Protection..... Two very different things.
@sixxygrrl no way! 2 distinct state entities that once the family is broken can get funds (from child support yes) from title IV-D... example father and mother have "alligations" from CPS. The state has custody, the state collects 4 dollars on fathers case and 4 dollars from mothers case out of title IV-D, for every dollar collected from each parent, Wa state dshs estimate in 2016.
I'm wondering why there wouldn't be a printed statement requiring signature on the CPS plan, saying that it's voluntary on the part of the parents in cases where a court ordered parent plan is already in place?
Maybe if his attorney did not ask same question 12 million times in every possible way, I am not an attorney and I was screaming at the screen....Asked and answered!!!!
I like Lori - she's like an engineer the way she is putting this together. She's a great examiner - she really seems to know exactly what every answer from the witness is going to be - and I don't think it's a friendly witness, so it means Lori has really done her homework. Geez she's good. She builds a perfect foundation for everything. If I got an invoice from Lori, I'd probably be very, very happy to pay it. 19:30 - CPS are a complete horror - they seriously think their very dodgy, biased, and subjective processes supercede a Court order. They don't know how to run an objective investigation. They are obsessed with victimising their victims. 21:30 - CPS witch is starting to look very worried. Starting to feel sorry for her.
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Anyone who'd make up sesual abuse allegations to get an edge in a divorce case deserves a special place in hell.
I get there’s rule’s involved to keep reporters confidential but at least the judge should know if one of the parents involved made the report, IF allegations are found to be false.
Yes, and it's all too common.
I am totally underwhelmed by Judge Hagen’s map. It looks like he’s stationed in the corner of his childhood room. 1/10
Lol
LOL … I’ve been wondering if he was streaming from his kids homeschooling room 🥸
Very unprofessional looking, barely shows his head, kids room, heck, does he even have cloths on?
I don't like him. He might be my least favourite judge.
😂😂
I worked for CPS for 2 years. Parents like this mother make me throw up in my mouth.
And people like mindy? How does she make you feel?
My partner used to work for CPS and the horror stories he has are abysmal.
I am invested now too! I am with you! I believe him and think Jen just wants her way,which is not fair to the father. I really want to see how this ends! By the way love your channel!❤
This CPS investigator is absolute liability to the state and by that fact, the children and families they are tasked with serving.
She could have at least reviewed her investigation and reports before testifying. She sounded like she barely knew what was going on, didn't remember a thing. Her words are directly effecting people's whole lives.
Some highlights to me:
7:37 CPS testimony - objection to identity of person who reported to CPS and who apparently didn't have first hand knowledge of the abuse they reported, but repeated what Ms. Clostermann told them.
28:26 Kids did not disclose any evidence in support of the allegations.
30:35 attorney arguing with judge about asking the witness questions related to the CPS investigation
34:34 move on, next question...lol. continuing on asking about the interviews with the children.
45:00 Informed Ms. Clostermann that not enough evidence was found to support the allegation so the investigation was bring closed.
46:05 first lawyer done questioning CPS witness. Moving on to questions from the other lawyer.
50:05 redirect - questions about 5 year old text message provided by ms. Clostermann.
55:25 - redirect about the safety plan. Confusion over who directed the plan. Doesn't override court order.
58:21 back to the other lawyer for cross on redirect. Questions about the 5 year old text message.
59:40 objection as being beyond the scope as question about the person who reported to CPS is brought up again but this time by the lawyer that objected to it before. Judge points out she objected before and he's going to continue his ruling. Although it is determined Ms. Clostermann is not the reporter.
1:00:56 lawyer asks for further redirect because other lawyer went beyond scope of her cross. Judge denies and asks for next witness. Lawyer asks for next witness to be the one she just called, so recalling the CPS witness. Judge and lawyer argue over bringing the witness back.
1:03:08 David Clostermann, next witness is called. Mostly questions about home environment.
1:12:14 pets brought up as part of family unit. Discussion on where pets go.
1:15:15 - dogs are an issue because poop and time.
1:20:15 concerns about mother's morals. Argues that mother does whatever she can to get her way.
( not gonna lie, stopped paying attention at some point as it was a lot of rehashing of convos and accusations and just overall typical arguments)
2:49:30 Back from Break!
More discussion of differences in opinions!
Thank you for saving me so much time and nerves.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you!
thank you - so necessary for these videos.
Is there a conclusion?
Can I congratulate you on staying with it for so long... I am 40 mins in and want to start drinking heavily for the first time in my life!
If only the CPS worker had been told ahe might need to prep for her testimony 🙄.
I guess, at least, the false allegations didnt stick
I don't think the woman had a clue she was stepping into a buzzsaw.
Well, she didn't expect the Spanish inquisition. Mister's lawyer was so annoying, including her grating unpleasant voice, that she could have lost an easy win, and certainly would lose if it could have gone both ways.
@@bjornlangoren3002I agree! That lawyer was right but she was kind of condescending and annoying to listen to.
The judge is like, I don't really care that she lied about her kids being sexually abused in order to hurt their dad.
But I mean, if that doesn't make you a bad parent, what does?
CPS says they can’t identify her as the person who made the report, but I think Judge knows what type of woman she is regardless. I think that’s his demeanor. As if every time he ran his hands through I’d 1993 haircut you can hear him think “oh my god, come on, let’s wrap this up…”
My god the child service officers testimony made me want to bash my head into the wall. 😂😂😂😂😂
You can tell she hates her job 😂
@@GenX1968i would hate that job too.
@@hopefulhumanI think most humans would.
crazy this judge seems completely bias against the fathers lawyer. That redirect was insane!
I agree. After he got done trying to dissuade the lawyer from asking so many questions, the very next question she asked was very revealing, because it shows how devious the mother was acting.
I guarantee he has a past with the attorney and doesn’t like her someone needs to watch his cases and see how unfair he treats this lawyer I mean the cps witness the judge made the complete wrong call! the mothers lawyer brought up different things than what was on the other attorneys redirect I would of done the same thing as she did and say no I’m calling her back as a witness the defense needs to clear a witness a judge can’t just go oh I’m making your choice for you that’s insane!
@@michaelbeaston6091 Dude, please use punctuation. It sounds like you are making a good point, but I can't really tell.
@@0101-s7vomg came here to say the same thing.
Not saying anything about the merits of either side but the dad's attorney annoys me too A lot.
So, the mother accuses the dad of doing things, things that she did not see, and, without even asking the kids, CPS says "okay well ignore the court order and don't give the kids back to the dad." The system is very broken.
If you have a degree in criminal justice and you can't instantly define "preponderance", ask for your money back.
Yeah, that wasn't her smartest moment.
What to be a security guard?? Should they know recidivism too ?
@@bluethunder4542 Yes. These are common use terms I'd expect anyone in the position she holds to understand.
Shit I know it means with out a shadow of a doubt and that the facts out weigh the doubt and I just finished my associates degree in college
@@UrNOTaVictim910You are sooo wrong! 😂
She is the worse kind of person imaginable. I hope the kids see through all the lies and she pays dearly daily.
I feel so sorry for those children. Using their children to get back at the soon to be ex spouse. My ex husband had one of these wives after me and my children have nothing to do with her now. Total backfire.
I really like this father and it sounds like he’s emotionally involved with his children and loved his wife deeply and gave 110% as often as he could but it wasn’t enough for her most of the time. Most women would do anything to have someone like him to father and raise their children. So many children with Deadbeat or abusive parents and I wish I had such a rational and mature father.
The mother is a disgrace
First thought: All I can think of is the kid from Home Improvement. If Judge has rocked that since those days, I admire his dedication 🏆
I saw a dog!
Randy?
He’s 100% been rocking the Middle Hair Part since 1995 haha
That kid was in jail last time I heard about him...
Judge: "I understand and agree with the point you are making, and also your opponent is stipulating that you are right."
Attorney: "NOOOOOOOOOOO"
seriously
I agree Mike dirty texts to his wife should be applauded! 😊
37 years of marriage and we "dirty text". I'd prefer him to text me as his wife as opposed to someone else.. This is insane. I tend to side with the husband on this wife seems vindictive.
I believe there should be criminal charge for any false allegations , I really don't like when people.abuse the system( cps, tpo, pfa, ) there are real cases that need that help. If it is proven ,false allegations there should be charges.
Cases are rarely "proven false". There is a reason case conclusions are not guilty or not substantiated instead of innocent.
@@Cameron_Fyour right you can't prove innocence that doesn't take away from the original comment. Those that falsely use this route to attack a man deserve ramifications
There is a point where most people will lie to prevent losing whats most dear to them. This is to the point where they will even believe their own lie. I think the judicial system allows for this and just sides with the most crediable in those situations.
@@davidthomas1467agreed did you edit my over share lol. I don't blame whoever did.
Oh, trust me, it's a terrible feeling to have false allegations made, and no, nothing's usually done to the person making the allegations. I had a lawyer laugh, when I asked if, since the person committed provable, perjury,and said "no, they don't go after that, just be glad they believed you, and couldn't prove the allegations". Ugh
Hlf way through, i can say my case from 20 years ago wasn't very different than this case. Now 20 years later, my ex has alienated the kids almost 100%. Don't underestimate passive aggression, especially over a long time.
dying to know how this was ruled.. where can we find the judgement?
The father seems quite stable. I don't know why he was getting so trash talked
Because that's generally what happens to all fathers in family court.
Good guy is used to being a abused
Yeah nasty divorces have accusations like this quite often. One parent asserts that other parent does awful and irredeemable things in order to get custody, more child support, yadda yadda. Such a mess
Well, you mentioned it, he's the father.
Mike owes me 3 hours of my life! What a Kluster!!!!
More like a clooster... man hahaha am I right??!!
Can you please find and post the judges decision on this case? I can’t find it.
If its the lawyers witness dont they get the last cross?
I believe the dad. I think he said it perfectly when he said "things were fine until they werent" when he was talking about her using non-abusive situations and words and trying to make them abusive. I dont believe for a second this woman was physically (and prob not verbally) abused by this man and as someone who has survived an extremely abusive relationship it enrages me she is making up things to accuse him of abuse.
Thats crazy that you can make those claims about someone and have no repercussions.
This is disturbingly similar to my divorce, up to and including the false allegations of SA. I feel for this guy, it’s tough being reasonable when you’re dealing with someone who literally sows chaos into any given situation.
Also, having been a victim of spousal abuse, I can tell you that his reaction is 💯authentic. It damages you psychologically more than physically. No man wants to call the cops on a woman who is physically smaller/less capable of violence. It makes you question your identity, but it is a big deal. Don’t ever, ever, allow it to go unaddressed. If someone is willing to use violence against you, they don’t deserve your loyalty.
Also, CPS/CPT/DCF are not experts by any objective measurement, although the courts, especially family law judges who lack any family law experience) hold their findings in high esteem. Many of those folks go into that field with the best of intentions, but they are undereducated, overworked, and most of them only stay in those organizations long enough to get reimbursed for some of their education and then move on to private practice. It’s a tough job and like many government organizations, they are generally not open to questioning the party line, considering alternative theories, doing more than the surface level investigation, etc.
Basically a “let’s get this file off my desk” kind of situation.
They are also completely unaccountable by design.
sounds like my ex also (narcissist psychopaths love sowing chaos)
Better yet, even when men do call they’re fighting odds to not be attested anyway
Yeah and she’s sitting there smirking the whole time he was talking.
She has RBF for sure
Best Video yet, I like the interesting and comical, but this guys lawyer is doing a solid job. This is the part where I let you all know I am not a lawyer, but outside looking in, this Lawyer is painting an amazing picture of how this all went down.
I would be concerned if my husband stopped sending me naughty, flirty messages!…it’s kinda our love language 😂
Amen lol ❤
Right?!? If we stopped doing that…I’d wonder if something was wrong. 😂
This poor man. I’m 40 minutes in and I can’t hear anymore. I hope he gets custody.
The wife should be charged for making false SA abuse. How is it legal for someone to make such egregious claims knowing it lies and not be prosecuted for it.
The argument is then people will be afraid to come forward, but yes I feel like if it's 100%lies and done to hurt someone's name I agree it should be illegal
@@joe9743 I've heard that excuse so often, it's a load of bollocks, it's just another way to ensure women are not responsible for their own actions and avoid any accountability for the destruction they create in an attempt to get their own way.
I know you aren't saying there is, but there is no way for the prosecution of those making demonstrable false reports to create a "chilling effect" for genuine victims because genuine victims aren't going to have evidence directly contradicting their claims, like photos or emails showing the alleged perpetrator was in a different state or in a meeting (take your pick really), because it would be a realistic impossibility.
There is no excuse for these women (well, 98%+ are women) to not be held accountable for their actions, the damage it causes, the enormous financial impact, all of it. It is the pervasive and cancerous societal disposition to treat women as though they don't know the egregious nature of what they are doing, it has got to stop.
The mom hates the father more than she loves her kids...
She smiles in the back while she's throwing him under the bus and makes up allegations ( Which is WRONG) and she should be held responsible for that..
She's harming her kids. Does she not see it?
Edited: The judge, Idk. I really dont like him, I've seen him with other cases too.
Ok, serious comment. Years ago I was also in a relationship with somebody who would corner me like he described. I realized the goal of her tactic was to have me move her to escape, and she would claim pushing, etc. I did not dare. And Yes, it really happens. She was diagnosed as borderline, and these were her fits. When she had these episodes I would lock myself In a room to keep her away. .. In this world of believe all women, it was the worst relationship to be in. Luckily that was a long time ago. He's in for a long crazy ride with her since they have kids. Oh boy.
It definitely happens. I too involve myself in high risk/high reward relationships with crazy women.
That being said, I'm not going to allow any of them to corner me or bully me. I just pull out my phone and start recording when they act like a psycho.
They usually throw a switch and behave themselves when on video. Worst case I will walk past and then when they claim I brutally attacked, I'll just show the cop who responds. As much as they want to be a white knight for the very attractive damsel in distress, I wont be bullied by them either. I explain that to attempt to corner me and restrict my ability to move is in itself illegal, and here is the video of me walking past, there was no assault or battery.
I had one still take me into custody, but as soon as I got in front of a commissioner, I explained the situation, she went and got the phone, I showed her the video, and I was immediately released.
That cop eventually lost his job as he had already got several complaints against him and my complaint didn't help. 6 months later he was fired after attacking someone else.
Anyhow, dating Crazy has its risks. You know what they are when you get involved.
Judge is on social media while the dad is being questioned about phones and social media 😂😂😂
Poor guy....A LOT of guys live like this sadly
This sounds like 2 relatively financially comfortable adults who are going to spend a butt load of money to air their dirty laundry that amounts to nothing in order to end up with joint custody, which they could have achieved with very little money and no drama. Ridiculous! SMH. I hated my ex, he had a lot of issues and even though I believed it would have been better for our daughter to be with me more, the damage that would have been done to all of us was not worth extending a fight over custody. As it was, he was constantly bringing me to court for 5 years even though we had 50/50. Nothing ever was changed, it was just a huge waste of money and court time.
You must have missed the part where the mother baselessly accuses the father of horrible things, is he not supposed to defend himself from such horrible accusations? Mother is physically abusive, is a liar and narcissist willing to ruin her husband’s life with falsehoods.
This guy sounds like an all American dad. Wife who exaggerates??? Crazy 😂
the sad part to this is, this father will always be looking over his shoulder. He is going to be nervous being alone with his own child.
The blondness of all these people! My eyes!!! 😂
@@verapaine4275she’s a vindictive one for sure! I think he got this valley girl lawyer to get under her skin. Brilliant move! 👏🏼
Judge looks like he wears his robe the bowling alley.
Wow! I just now watched Lori’s back and forth with the Judge! I love that she didn’t just rollover! I think I’m in love!!
Yeah, the judge was wrong. He was consistent, but wrong.
His refusal to throw her under the bus despite her efforts to throw him under a dozen by accusing him of abuse makes him seem like the far better option. He is completely reasonable despite her best efforts to make this into a knock down, drag out fight. Kudos to him.
His lawyer set him up several times to make her look bad and he stuck to the truth (even down playing some instances. His lawyer should have at least warned against that.) I hope the judge took that into consideration about what type of person he is, and what type of person she is.
Typical woman bro
Didn't get to see the live while working as I was rudely interrupted by job related things every 10 minutes. Watching while I prepare dinnner. Grim stuff and I'm sure he's about to bawl, Sweet Jesus 🙄
If your job is interfering with your LTWM viewing, it's time to re-examine your life choices!
Priorities, my friend..😉😁
@@TheUluxian For real. I should have hit that 'busy' button first 😉😬😆
Same.
I retired just so I could watch LTWM!😂
Mr's conflict style of "trying to make light" and "calming things down" can be challenging for someone like Mrs, who wants #1 validation and #2 immediate resolution. It's different attachment styles, at the core, and can become a huge problem if never addressed.
13 mins in and the most interesting is watching behavior of the parties. One gently petting a dog and the other listening intently and scribbling notes to lawyer.
You know she was just itching and wanting to jump up to interrupt calling him a liar haha
I agree with the dad , this mom will say,lie or do anything to get what she wants . Over spending for Christmas is the worst thing you can do and it teaches children the wrong things in life that are not as important as a nice gift and a nuce meal with family . Money can not buy love . But kids learn from their parents on this aspect . I have always taught my kids to save money for the things that are important to them working was another big thing my kid all worked during high school by their choice . Grades had to be kept up .
The next hearing changed my mind completely about the dad. 😯
I found it interesting the man's attorney was so antagonistic when it didn't seem needed. The CPS worker was basically stating things that would help her client yet she treated her like the enemy. She fought with the judge because she wasn't hearing and understanding what he was saying. Ugh... And it was just so much, So Much, SO MUCH.
I came to say the same thing! Listening while I work I thought that was the mother’s attorney first the way she was trying to make the CPS worker look incompetent in her investigation and techniques while interviewing the children
So many times men are accused of such actions and are put in jail on a registration and are innocent ....some because they didn't have the funds to pay legal representation and some because it ruins them beyond their own mental capacity....yet nothing is done to the false accuser....I am just astounded by the fact that a man can be accused and investigated for such things and the judges don't care about what he goes through mentally and act as if its no big deal
You definitely want that dad's lawyer on your side.
Also the lawyer sounds like Paris from Gilmore girls
This is actually frightening!
That CPS worker is in NO way qualified to do this job!
We’re talking about the safety and welfare of children, many who are not even old enough to speak up for themselves.
That worker has nowhere near the education and training and should absolutely not be in the position she is in !!
Then I hope you’re stepping up to the plate by applying for a CPS job…
For someone to be so very important to protect children, you at least want someone that can define a word properly🤷♀️,,✌🏻
@@the_whetherman
That would just be stupid, I’m not qualified either !
There’s no reason they do not continue their education and CLOSLY monitor less experienced/educated workers.
Again, this is the protection of children we’re speaking of, many of whom are in VERY dangerous situations!!
@@deedeebolenit is a bottom barrel state job.... they either burn out or get calloused...
@@inTruthbyGrace I know. But it shouldn’t be!
These people are hired to protect our children! The future of our country depends on these children!!
Wow. Did that Nasty woman really go in and tell those lies about their dad? She should never see those kids again if she did that.
58:40 - OOF! Massive stuff up.
She's already asked "Do you think parents can still believe something is true even when you've found it isn't? and "Does CPS ever make mistakes?"
Now she asks "Did the mum return the children as soon as your investigation concluded her allegations were bollox?"
How bad do things have to get to fall in love with someone, raise children together, go through years and years of working together as a team and loving each other and then one of them turns around and makes allegations like this because of a divorce? I mean how evil do people have to be I can't imagine my wife making claims like this about me after everything we've been through
I /NEED/ to see the rest of this case. I feel like we all deserve to know the ending to this soap opera!
Kay_ele_eff and the picture is of a huskey
@@lilmomma6112She doesn’t have the ending either. I’ve been wanting to know the judges final ruling on this case.
@@Liz_H9319 anyone know how this was ruled? It is making me crazy.. I absolutely feel so awful for this dad
Hagen is a typical family court judge - not good enough to do real law.
Lori will real soon cease doing any kind of family law - she's far too good for it.
after the run in my family had with CPS I would not believe a word they say. They took the word of a stranger and although there were no facts treated it as though it was the law. They made our life a nightmare.
Power hungry fascists..
The husband's lawyer has balls made of steel. Wow
I’d want her if I ever needed a lawyer!
It’s a lovers quarrel between the “mediator” and the lawyer 😂
this is an abusive manipulating mother. I would not give her primary care of her kids.
Apparently, according to these comments, men arent allowed to cry. Sad that in 2024 men are still expected to bottle up their emotions.
I totally agree with your assessment of this situation
I don't think either person is perfect but who is? I never understood these kinds of proceedings until I was divorced and faced with co parenting my daughter. It's very hard to accept and share holidays etc. No excuse for lying on your spouse or talking about them disrespectfully. Just saying it's harder to walk it than talk it. Life's too short and I think we have to try to see the beauty in all change if possible.
What is wrong with this so-called judge?
I love that he’s still wearing his robe on a Zoom call 😂
It’s still court..
@@austerepotato3159 you don’t say…
Word of the day “missconstrudid”
Why is the judge just a floating head?
Thank god I got sole custody of my children as a father. Women are proving more and more every day they’re just not deserving to be a parent. That woman’s behavior is disgusting, CPS proving once again they’re borderline useless. The system fails children so bad. All of this I bet is just because she wanted to sleep around, not lose anything and destroy that poor man in the process.
Where are the rest of the court videos for this case? I only see this one and the 2nd part. It sounds like there is additional testimony.
Oh my gosh! She’s sitting there smiling while the judge isn’t letting this lawyer get what she did into the record. It isn’t about what the kids said, it’s about what their mother said.
the cps agent doesnt even know how to explain her job
My Huzz & me been together almost 20 years 3 boys & we still text about gettin neked😊 we joke like that extreme to lighten the mood.. that wife is a joke that huzz is absolutely more credible
Men cry to
I pray somone shows the girls this video someday !
Who holds on to a screen shot like that 4 that long! 👍🏼💯💜💟
CPS lady said "misconstrueded"
What, huh, what? Ugh they are killing me.
I'm in awe of Ms.Lori B. Schmeltzer and her incredible ability as an attorney. If I had ever been accused of such horrible acts, especially with the alleged victims being my children, and was innocent I would want it handled just like this. Leave nothing on the table, and absolutely no ability for anyone to ever be able squeeze out any doubts about my innocence.
I would want the dad's lawyer to represent me in any situation. Yes, slightly argumentative BUT thorough and badass.
Are you going to drop this after we've been following it so long?
1:02:13 what she is getting at is that women go into these womens centers the moment they file for divorce, they make wild accusations and ask the counselors to file the complaint for them so that they can use it in their divorce to get more favorable outcomes and ruin the husbands life or blackmail them into a better settlement. I had a dinner with a counselor at a womens shelter and she outeight told me they made spurious complaints all the time because they wanted to help these women fight the Patriarchy and other Leftists Feminst crap. Lawyers know full well most of these complaints are bogus but they do it anyway because then it puts the guy on the defensive fighting false accusations instead kf fighting the wife's ridiculous compensation demands or the wifes own activities and behavior that might have otherwise got her in trouble.
For the life of me I don’t understand why this judge is so unwilling to hear all the testimony. He has the prerogative to disregard any testimony he finds inappropriate.
The way he said “I’m fine, thank you,” when his lawyer asked if everyone could see the evidence picture of her bruise, rubbed me the wrong way. I almost wonder if the judge knows the wife is in the wrong and just wants to be done with it so that he can make his ruling.
49:20 - I can't believe that lawyer is even asking that question, let alone that Lori has to argue her objection.
WHATS THE JUDGE’S WEIGH IN ?!??? Pleaseeee send the link for part 2 !!!!
Case worker is in CYA mode and not trustworthy. CPS drops ball and manipulates case details to appear compliant in hindsight. I’ve witnessed this more times than I can count in the Phila system where they use contractor agencies.
Yup.
I'm actually disturbed how little training there is of CPS workers. 9-weeks is not long enough. There should be extensive training / a prerequisite should be psychology. There is so much nuance to abuse, especially from children.
Edit: I'm sorry how does CPS NOT have authority to stop visits on an emergency basis until the case is completed?
Yes. And there's also so much nuance to just differences in living situations/parenting styles that can be construed as improper or inappropriate (non-sexually) like a cluttered but clean home, or a child who refuses to wear shoes at home, or the child who is neurodivergent who eats while moving around or situations where the parenting is significantly different than "the norm" or "standard" because of child's needs or parent's neurodivergent issues where it causes no harm, but CPS workers often see things through blinders, and the home life MUST look like their idea of home life/parenting or it's deemed immediately as "unsafe" or "inappropriate" or even "neglectful" or "abusive" when it absolutely isn't, but CPS doesn't actually listen to the parents they just come to their own conclusions based on assumptions and by comparing every family to a cookie cutter "approved" living situation and judging any deviation as wrong and bad.
Sorry for the rant, I have experienced this BS from CPS. I apologize... . I'll stop now.
Nope. They go by a book not experience and some have no common sense. Idk how some pass or get hired. Sad
CPS is guided by title IV-D of the social security act. If 2 parents are paying, the state collects x2. It's not designed to reunite or to benefit "families."
@@ericjohnson5617 Title IV -D of the Social Security act is only for determining Paternity and child support. CPS is about Child Protection..... Two very different things.
@sixxygrrl no way! 2 distinct state entities that once the family is broken can get funds (from child support yes) from title IV-D... example father and mother have "alligations" from CPS. The state has custody, the state collects 4 dollars on fathers case and 4 dollars from mothers case out of title IV-D, for every dollar collected from each parent, Wa state dshs estimate in 2016.
49:29 WTF THIS JUDGE IS WILD
I want to get into legal trouble just so I can have the father's attorney defend me. She's a steely eyed missile woman.
She’s just mad she let herself go and he doesn’t want her anymore.
I absolutely hate the voice of this guy's attorney 😂 she's annoying and I can see why the judge was rushing her....like get on with it already!!!
I'm wondering why there wouldn't be a printed statement requiring signature on the CPS plan, saying that it's voluntary on the part of the parents in cases where a court ordered parent plan is already in place?
3 days! She's a forensic interview expert!
"Cops get the same training.' - paraphrase
Pressing x to doubt..
I’m still stuck on “ we were hand fighting “ .
I picture that video of the guy who can make his fingers karate kick. Just two people doing that at each other 😂
Mike,where are you?oh, there you are…
CPS is almost complete hot garbage. Im sure they help some people. But mostly treat people like crap.
That CYS lady has either never testified or she's not bright. Yeesh.
Maybe if his attorney did not ask same question 12 million times in every possible way, I am not an attorney and I was screaming at the screen....Asked and answered!!!!
I like Lori - she's like an engineer the way she is putting this together.
She's a great examiner - she really seems to know exactly what every answer from the witness is going to be - and I don't think it's a friendly witness, so it means Lori has really done her homework.
Geez she's good. She builds a perfect foundation for everything.
If I got an invoice from Lori, I'd probably be very, very happy to pay it.
19:30 - CPS are a complete horror - they seriously think their very dodgy, biased, and subjective processes supercede a Court order. They don't know how to run an objective investigation. They are obsessed with victimising their victims.
21:30 - CPS witch is starting to look very worried. Starting to feel sorry for her.
does anyone know how we can find out how this referee Hagen ruled on this case?
But she did 3 days forensic interview training! She's an Expert!! RREEEEEE! 🤭😉
@@markgado8782 It's obviously not rocket surgery is it?
@@xcrockery8080 #whoosh 🤦♂️
Not even alittle evil! And I’m an attorney in Texas who normally doesn’t agree with any of your assessments lol 😘
This mom is SICK!!!
Lori's vocal fry is god damn MADDENING
Lol what do u mean lol just curious
I can’t stand how the mother can sit thru all that with a smirk on her face
This CPS worker is crap! Failure to review the reports prior to the hearing and responding with I don’t know 🤦🏻♀️
Standard practice to cya.