Sensational She-Hulk was SO GOOD! Not only did she regularly break the 4th wall, she even broke across pages. There was one issue where She-hulk was having a conversation whilst walking and the action carried all the way across a double spread page of those ads they had in comics in those days. Sublime!
Dick Grayson (Robin) was introduced (like you said) to make the comics more appealing to younger readers. And he was around for such a long time before spinning off to The New Teen Titans and then to his own books (Nightwing, Grayson agent of Spyral), that we don't even register that he was originally created for a marketing purpose.
Roofcat Crazyfeather exactly, tons of people only familiar with Teen Titans animated don’t know Robin was a ploy to get younger readers and someone for Batman to go on adventures with.
They had Robin solo comics in the 1940s and early 1950s. He was the star of his own solo series in Star-Spangled Comics that ran from 1947-1952. DC reprinted nearly all or all of that run in its Archive series years back. I've got those volumes.
I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Elvis got his ideas for stage costumes and capes from the captain marvel comics. I didn’t realize captain marvel was so popular
Lo4nW0LF99 While a fascinating subject, and the apparent links are undeniable, there is no evidence that either Elvis' hair style, his TCB logo or his concert jumpsuits were based on Capt. Marvel Jr. In fact the evidence of the opposite is quite clear as you can read via our article on Elvis' Jumpsuits and our interview with Bill Belew, the man who designed Elvis stage suits. You can form your own opinion though! Fact: Elvis himself stated he styled his trademark haircut after that of Tony Curtis. Fact: Yes Elvis' stage outfits (with a half-cape similar to those worn by the Marvels) and his TCB logo (with a Marvel-esque lightning bolt insignia) could be said to show inspiration from Captain Marvel Jr. there is no proof. Fact: Elvis' childhood collection of Captain Marvel Jr. comic books still sits in the attic at his Graceland estate in Memphis, Tennessee, with a copy of Captain Marvel Jr. #51 (1947) placed on the desk in the recreation of his childhood room at Memphis' Lauderdale Courts housing complex. Fact: In reference to Elvis' admiration for the character, Captain Marvel Jr. a teenage Elvis was a fan. Interesting in Teen Titans (vol. 3) #23, Captain Marvel Jr. is revealed to be a huge fan of Elvis Presley. The narrator (Superboy) states that 'He's okay, just a little too into the retro thing for my tastes. Loves all that rockabilly crap. Flame shirts and hot dice belt buckles'. Captain Marvel Jr. himself quotes Elvis, (whom he refers to as 'the greatest modern-day philosopher'), with the quote 'Do what's right for you as long as you don't hurt no one'. captainmarveljr.elvis.com.au/
my favorite Dc super heroes, #1 Superman #2 Captain Marvel( Shazam) #3 Barman. The design and the story is very original and fresh, a kid that turns into an adult super powerful man is great.
I 100% agree with you on Spider-Gwen. Love the colors, alternate take on the universe, their shuffling up the characters in their universe and changing their stories but not in a way that makes fans hate it....etc. just a great story and character
I once worked with a WW II vet who sid that soldiers were given free comics on occasion and they were traded among other soldiers - except for Capt. Marvel comics. Soldiers held on to those as they were favorites of many GI's. Another stellar episode!
In the comics Spider Gwen actually has converse for her shoes, it was Into The Spiderverse that gave her the ballet shoes. I like the converse look more cuz it holds that punk style and it reminds me of the first Andrew Garfield suit where you can see his shoes still so it gives it a more home made feel.
As a fan of Miles Morales since he was introduced it's been amazing to see him just thrown into the public Zeitgeist and become so popular so fast, the movie was a blessing for that character and the video games only made it better
@@grodcoyote6635 the movie and games are great. Miles morales is clearly being ran by some very talented creators. But man I find his character so boring! His uncle is way cooler and more fun.
This is one of the cases where a contract granted a great wish--but resulted in less magical girls. ... I want to see a "trading places" skit where Morpheus and Kyubey switch positions...
I was hanging out for Mayday to get a mention, considering she remains Marvel's longest running solo female title with 100 uninterrupted issues. Sadly, May often gets overlooked despite her consistent quality and enduring series which lasted nearly 13 years.
@@Aggrofool Every What If takes place somewhere in the Marvel multiverse. Getting her own comic in the MC2 universe (Earth-982) cemented her as a prominent spin-off character, and she's since been in both Spider-Verse events and multiple other crossover stories. Also, let's not forget Web Warriors. Loved that book, and particularly loved seeing Mayday and Gwen being friends and co-workers.
16:50 Fun Fact: several Spider-woman characters already existed before Marvel's Spiderwoman, according to the Public Domain Superhero Wikipedia. Also, want to add, I love this intro.
I love this video. It really shows that sonetimes spinoff characters, even ones created for purely monetary reasons, can take off and become extremely popular in their own right. It really is up to the creative teams to flesh out the characters and make them more than just copies. As usual a well done, fair, and researched video.
And a little SHAZAM-in-pop-culture side note: The Hairstyle of jet black hair with the little Spit curl worn by Freddy Freeman/C.M. Jr inspired None other Than ELVIS PRESLEY (who was originally blond) to create his iconic hairstyle
Sunday morning in the UK. Cup of tea in hand, a great way to start the day! I wonder if we'll ever see big screen versions of spider woman and she hulk?
I don't think there's any way they could avoid controversy with She-Hulk, which is why they've avoided her entirely. She was portrayed as a cheesecake pin-up as fan-service for young, white, horny, teenaged boys. With comics in the mainstream, there's no way they could get away with that now... but if they cast someone like Amanda Bingson in the role and make her a strong, powerful woman, the alt-right frog-posting ComicsGate turds will flip their wigs and start calling in bomb threats. There's just no way for them to win.
NoJusticeNoPeace She-Hulk could both do great, and be received well at the same time. I think if they didn't try the stock "strong female character archetype" a movie about her could really be good. I'd love a comedy/lawyer/action movie starring her and Bruce in the main roles. I don't know for sure but this could also possibly bypass the claim that Paramount has on a Hulk film.
I love Captain Marvel (Both) but I lean Mar-Vell because of Jim Starlin's run. Very sci-fi and triply but man does Jim Starlin make it visually interesting and the writing is pretty great especially when Thanos is being used.
Finally! A person who knows that Gwen’s superhero name isn’t Spider-Gwen, but just the comic’s title. Sick of people saying that Spider-Gwen is a silly name. No duh. It’s the comic title only.
Miles is my favorite spiderman. However the comics didn't do him justice until like 2018ish cause Brian just didn't know what to do with him. But into the spider verse, best spiderman movie ever
I think you missed one of the most popular sidekicks of all time, with a story and background unlike any sidekick on your list... Harley Quinn, one of the few villainous sidekicks, who you could argue has surpassed the popularity of the character she originated from.
I love the irony that Batwoman was created in fear of gay shaming, only to one day become, arguably, the most famous gay hero of all time. Life is fun.
@@hopebringer2348 For people how don't know comics she is iconic. Without googling can you name one good story she has? One "good" badguy she fights? She is only a lesbian... We know with how she sleep but it doesn't make a superhero story. Northstar have much better stories and he is not "just a gay hero". Even Renee Montoya have best sorties...
I really appreciate how you express your opinions on diversity in comics in a positive way. It never seems forced from you and it's a really good standout from the sea of angry comic book fans who seem to recoil and complain at the sight of representation for people remotely different from them. Keep up the good work!
This is a gross misunderstanding of why a lot of people have a problem with "representation". It isn't that they're trying to represent more people, that's good, it's the expectation they have that just changing an established character into a minority, which is more often then not done extremely poorly, is what people want. Miles Morales worked imo because it wasn't mainline Peter that got killed off and replace in a few months, it was Peter from another universe. Almost every more recent character getting this just comes off as lazy and exploitative, and they want people to write off people who don't like these characters painted as racist because it protects them from criticism. There are very few characters that work in spite of this, 2 examples in my opinion are the Spider-Man characters Miguel O'Hara and Miles Morales (Miguel more so, he differentiates himself in almost every way) but at the end of the day representation is a good marketing strategy, and if you can save on actual writing and make money by introducing new characters that are effectively the same as the character before instead of writing new and compelling characters, why wouldn't you?
No joke. When my brother and I used to watch Gomer Pyle, every time he said “Shazam,” we would chuckle as we imagined him suddenly transforming into Captain Marvel/Shazam
I guess Monica isn’t technically a spin-off since she’s a new version of Captain Marvel (and was the only Captain Marvel at that time) and not a Ms. Marvel or a Lieutenant Marvel or a Captain Marvelwoman or anything like that. In contrast, Miles Morales is a new version of Spider-Man but there’s still an “official” version running concurrently, so that gives him “spin-off status” and not a “relaunch” or “remake”... one could argue Miles is an “Ultimate Spider-Man remake,”,and that USM was a Spider-Man spin-off.
One of my favorite spin off characters is Talon. The short run itself had a few ups and downs but I feel like a hero who is an escape artist is inherently cool and has potential.
Peter Parker/Spider-Man has many spin-off titles given his massive popularity to the point there was even a multiverse crossover called Spider-Verse which was adapted into a successful animated movie titled Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. Some of the Spider-Man titles are: * Miles Morales * Gwen Stacy/Spider-Gwen * Miguel O'Hara/Spider-Man 2099 * May "Mayday" Parker/Spider-Girl * Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider * Kaine Parker * Anya Corazon/Spider-Woman * Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman (kind of) * Eddie Brock/Venom
Don't forget Toxin and Agent Anti-Venom. Honestly, at some point, the big two should consider a purge of overly redundant spin-off characters. Then again, that will be pointless as they'll just ressurect them again as they're somebody's favorite.
hold up, the TV live action incredible hulk ran on CBS. it was friday nights at 9pm after the dukes of hazard, before Dallas. i watched it like a mental patient. the live action spider-man and and 2nd and third season of wonder woman also was on CBS. also watched like a mental patient.
@Silver Star In 1977, a short-lived live action television series was produced called The Amazing Spider-Man, starring Nicholas Hammond in the title role. Although the series earned good ratings, the CBS Television Network canceled it after just two seasons, along with Wonder Woman, to avoid being labeled as "the superhero network." The series was broadcast only sporadically during the second season. Several episodes from this series were turned into full-length motion pictures outside the U.S. Three movies were released overseas: Spider-Man in 1977, Spider-Man Strikes Back in 1978, and Spider-Man: The Dragon's Challenge in 1981.
Man, you talking about Miles right before Into the Spider-verse came out was super interesting. The ways that people talk about Miles before and after that movie is like night and day.
Excellent look back at comics history - great look at this unique trope to (English?) comics. Some of my favorite characters have been spinoffs! Always look forward to your show! Wish you luck in this wonderful theme.
Love Spider-Gwen. I have always struggled to really enjoy Peter Parker for some reason(heresy, I know), but find his spin-off characters to be far more entertaining. Both Miles and Gwen are great characters, and I love the alternate-reality aspects like Matt Murdock as Kingpin. Also, yeah, gotta admit that the novelty of Gwen-based puns like Gwenom are a bonus for me, lol.
Is Miles really all that different from Peter in the comics...? Like I get that in Spider-Verse, but in the comics, he’s pretty much a blatant copy paste
There was also an animated character called Web Woman. I heard that Marvel found out about her and rushed out Spider-Woman so Filmation could not use the name for her.
Batwoman was easily my favorite New 52 book. If anyone hasn't checked it out likes stories more on the spooky/occult side you should definitely check it out. JH Williams leaving the book when DC wouldn't let her get married was a big part of why I stopped keeping up with comics, it was just so disappointing.
The way it typically worked is that DC made bank from spin-off "family" legacy characters while Marvel made bank from introducing new mutants. Which is why Marvel has significantly fewer spin-off characters than DC.
As a comic reader in the late 1970s, I rather enjoyed the early runs of She-Hulk, Spider-Woman, and Ms. Marvel, although I can't say that they were "great" comics. The interesting thing about DC's spin-off characters is that they tended to come about in different ways, instead of just doing the same thing with each of their major characters. Kid Flash was never really Flash's sidekick, although he did work with Flash on occasion, but a separate hero who operated on his own, and then later with the Teen Titans. Green Lantern spin-offs were basically limited to substitutes for Hal Jordan, until the Green Lantern Corps gained popularity, and then you had all sorts of alien Green Lanterns running around. The story of Wonder Girl is especially interesting. She was intended to be stories of Wonder Woman as a girl, much like Superboy, but when the Teen Titans were created, she was mistakenly assumed to be a character other than Diana Prince, and they never really corrected that mistake. And then there was Man-Bat!
Loved this episode, definitely loved the Shazam family spinoff books cause there's a great charm to them. The new series has similar characters if you're interested.
Otto Binder is, to me, the reason those Captain Marvel books should be remembered. Their humor was hilarious, almost satirical. (As a glance at almost any cover will tell you). Binder was a terrific sci fi writer. He created I, Robot, the short story featuring Adam Link - which went on to influence the up and coming Isaac Asimov. Binder's scripts are the only part of that series that matter to me. When they did the movie version in 2019, I was fairly pleased, but I'd like to see a more conscious effort to translate the Binder humor in any subsequent efforts.
Statutory Grape for sure! Love Superman tas- just finished a rewatch! supergirl the live action CW show is really bad. I like the supporting characters, and the other CW dc shows..but their take on supergirl can best be described as cringe. I think that word is over used nowadays.. but that show is hard to watch.
I didn’t know the history of hawkman and hawkgirl. I just read dark nights metal where they rebooted their origin and they are super ancient and i like they are being kept as important in DC comics.
17:00 THUMBS UP for your Stan Lee impression! I haven't seen a copy of something from MARVEL that good since BLACK CAT landed in Spider-Man and they pretended it WASN'T Catwoman! 😉
I’ve jumped in and out of comics all through my years. Got pretty serious in the early 80s and again in the late 90s early 00s. ( is that what people mean when they say oughts?). One of the things that would ring my bell back then would be a good documentary about comics. Hard to find but every once in a while......... Then of course TH-cam became a thing right? Now there’s more vids about comics it seems than there are actual comics. ( I exaggerate of course). But there are some GOOD ONES. Like this channel. Fantastic stuff. Thanks for these videos and please don’t stop!!!
the thumbnail makes it look like the original Captain Marvel is being put forward as a spinoff, but of course, you merely intended that he has a spinoff cast. no tears after all
There is also a comic out there that shows two characters (I want to say it is an Avengers book with two lesser known Avengers characters,) talking about Wolverine who is passing through a room they are in, and one of the says "Wolverine is on this team too?" and the other character replies something to the effect of, "He's on every team." It was pretty funny.
Hawkman is underrated. There are actually some good runs on the character. Obviously Vendettis recent run but also Messer-loeb has a good run and the Geoff Johns material is dope too.
Supergirl had backup stories in Action comics with Superman generally as the cover feature and semi regularly appeared with the Legion of Superheroes stores in Adventure comics in the 1960's and 1970's. She also sometimes appeared in Stories with Superman, also sometimes in Jimmy Olsen comics where she for a short time dated Jimmy.
Great topic!!! Speaking of Captain Marvel, how about an episode dedicated to the overly complicated history of Miracleman, er Marvelman. Great job as always Chris!
Christopher Johnson I really don't know much about Miracleman, so if you say it's history is complicated, then I defer to your knowledge. I guess discussing the comic has to start somewhere, and Alan Moore is always a good start.
I wouldn't call it a spin off , but Gary Gianni's Monstermen was included in the early Hellboy comic books and its my favourite comic series(that and Beasts of Burden) from dark horse even though it didnt even have an actual comic book run.
Whenever Fantastic Four reemerge, one I'd really like to see - Take the "What If the Fantastic Four Had Different Powers?" version and begin with the original origin (OK, maybe backdate a bit and have Reed competing for the X-Prize instead beating Soviets into space) and show in detail how theit adventures and career developing differently because of the powers of Bib Brain, Dragonfly, Mandroid and Miss Fantastic.
When I was a kid I hated the concept and design of spiderwoman. I felt that if they were going to make a female version of the character it should look more like the main one. This one was too different. Now as a adult I realize this method tends to risk making the character bland and not last long. Everyone does it in this format for years. Making the female version with a more unique look, personality, and other traits helps convey the character is not created in a lazy way. They did in fact thought while making her. At that young age I didn't see it or know enough to realize it. Now I do.
A great video. You covered a lot of info and history and pulled it off great. I learned a lot about the more modern heroes such as Miles Morales and the newer Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel. Happy Holidays.
DC should have renamed Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) "Captain Marvelous" instead of "Shazam" because Shazam is the name of the wizard who passed on his powers to Billy Batson. Renaming Billy Batson's alter-ego "Shazam" was a dumb idea because Billy would have trouble saying "Shazam" because that is his new superhero name and saying "Shazam" will keep making Billy transforming back and forth. DC needs to do their research on Billy Batson's superhero alter-ego's name change history on the internet and rename Shazam (Billy Batson) "Captain Marvelous".
PhantomKnight64 He was an interesting character, especially when he got his own series where he could really grow as a character. And I've noticed that the helmet he wore as Thor looks a lot like the one Jane Foster wore. That was a nice touch when creating the female Thor.
Thunderstrike’s son was a character for about a minute as well. I forget how he got the mace though. Edit: An embittered adolescent Kevin Masterson is featured in the Thunderstrike limited series. The character previously featured as an idealistic child is shown to have anger, behavioral problems, and disillusioned outlook on "spandex-covered glory hounds." He is given his father's enchanted mace by Captain Steve Rogers; which to their mutual disappointment triggers no change in the character (although he does receive an open invitation to the Avengers Academy, in which he is later seen arriving on their New Campus in California.) While on his way home, Kevin tries to save a mother and child from a rampaging Rhino and is transformed into a superhero. Kevin briefly battles the Rhino, and shortly after Kevin is defeated, he realizes that he is in his father's body. Mangog, a foe of Thor, resurfaces and threatens New York City. The young hero teams with Thor, to battle the monster. Kevin accepts his new identity as Thunderstrike, along with a new image, and continues his adventures under the mentorship of Brunnhilde the Valkyrie.
A C I've seen a trade of that comic and at a shop. After your description I should really get it. Thanks. Oh, Kevin is now in Asgardians of the Galaxy by the way.
I miss silly lawyer She-Hulk comics. She even defended a case against the Living Tribunal once. That was awesome!
Dan Slott's run on the She-Hulk comics was amazing; I wish he would have stayed on that book for a decade instead of Amazing Spider-Man.
Sensational She-Hulk was SO GOOD! Not only did she regularly break the 4th wall, she even broke across pages. There was one issue where She-hulk was having a conversation whilst walking and the action carried all the way across a double spread page of those ads they had in comics in those days. Sublime!
Especially those covers, YOWZA!
@Silver Star Uh...breaking the 4th wall has zero to do with politics. Perhaps you thought I meant something else.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_wall
Dick Grayson (Robin) was introduced (like you said) to make the comics more appealing to younger readers. And he was around for such a long time before spinning off to The New Teen Titans and then to his own books (Nightwing, Grayson agent of Spyral), that we don't even register that he was originally created for a marketing purpose.
Roofcat Crazyfeather exactly, tons of people only familiar with Teen Titans animated don’t know Robin was a ploy to get younger readers and someone for Batman to go on adventures with.
They had Robin solo comics in the 1940s and early 1950s. He was the star of his own solo series in Star-Spangled Comics that ran from 1947-1952. DC reprinted nearly all or all of that run in its Archive series years back. I've got those volumes.
Not entirely true. The writers also wanted a sidekick because Batman kept talking to himself.
Still it pushed for an agenda
Fast forward to now 2022 and you see their agenda worked
In some ways: the death of Jason Todd was the audience, finally, reacting/responding to that.
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I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Elvis got his ideas for stage costumes and capes from the captain marvel comics. I didn’t realize captain marvel was so popular
Lo4nW0LF99 While a fascinating subject, and the apparent links are undeniable, there is no evidence that either Elvis' hair style, his TCB logo or his concert jumpsuits were based on Capt. Marvel Jr. In fact the evidence of the opposite is quite clear as you can read via our article on Elvis' Jumpsuits and our interview with Bill Belew, the man who designed Elvis stage suits. You can form your own opinion though!
Fact: Elvis himself stated he styled his trademark haircut after that of Tony Curtis.
Fact: Yes Elvis' stage outfits (with a half-cape similar to those worn by the Marvels) and his TCB logo (with a Marvel-esque lightning bolt insignia) could be said to show inspiration from Captain Marvel Jr. there is no proof.
Fact: Elvis' childhood collection of Captain Marvel Jr. comic books still sits in the attic at his Graceland estate in Memphis, Tennessee, with a copy of Captain Marvel Jr. #51 (1947) placed on the desk in the recreation of his childhood room at Memphis' Lauderdale Courts housing complex.
Fact: In reference to Elvis' admiration for the character, Captain Marvel Jr. a teenage Elvis was a fan. Interesting in Teen Titans (vol. 3) #23, Captain Marvel Jr. is revealed to be a huge fan of Elvis Presley. The narrator (Superboy) states that 'He's okay, just a little too into the retro thing for my tastes. Loves all that rockabilly crap. Flame shirts and hot dice belt buckles'. Captain Marvel Jr. himself quotes Elvis, (whom he refers to as 'the greatest modern-day philosopher'), with the quote 'Do what's right for you as long as you don't hurt no one'.
captainmarveljr.elvis.com.au/
Captain Marvel actually outsold superman in the golden age of comic books.
my favorite Dc super heroes, #1 Superman #2 Captain Marvel( Shazam) #3 Barman. The design and the story is very original and fresh, a kid that turns into an adult super powerful man is great.
@@Tethloach1 I've never heard of barman lol
wrong
Liberace gave Elvis the idea of flamboyant costumes
I 100% agree with you on Spider-Gwen. Love the colors, alternate take on the universe, their shuffling up the characters in their universe and changing their stories but not in a way that makes fans hate it....etc. just a great story and character
And then comics did what comics does. They took the popular character and shoved it down our throats.
I once worked with a WW II vet who sid that soldiers were given free comics on occasion and they were traded among other soldiers - except for Capt. Marvel comics. Soldiers held on to those as they were favorites of many GI's.
Another stellar episode!
In the comics Spider Gwen actually has converse for her shoes, it was Into The Spiderverse that gave her the ballet shoes. I like the converse look more cuz it holds that punk style and it reminds me of the first Andrew Garfield suit where you can see his shoes still so it gives it a more home made feel.
Looks like shes back in them
This video came out before the movie
Also worth mentioning is May-day Parker, the Spectacular spider-Girl. She was the first female Marvel hero to have a 100 issue run.
Well, Into the Spiderverse was indeed a hit.
As a fan of Miles Morales since he was introduced it's been amazing to see him just thrown into the public Zeitgeist and become so popular so fast, the movie was a blessing for that character and the video games only made it better
and it's sequel is now arguably a bigger hit. it's a great decade to be a fan of miles and spider man alike!
@@grodcoyote6635 the movie and games are great. Miles morales is clearly being ran by some very talented creators.
But man I find his character so boring! His uncle is way cooler and more fun.
My favorite Spinoff Characters
1. Cassandra Cain.
2. Power Girl.
3. Donna Troy.
4. Hercules (Marvel)
5. Beta Ray Bill.
6. Lady Death (Chaos Comics)
7. She-Hulk
8. Valkrie
9. Thundra
10. Purgatori (Chaos Comics)
A little sad you didn't bring up May 'Mayday' Parker, the Amazing Spider-Girl. With that said great episode.
This is one of the cases where a contract granted a great wish--but resulted in less magical girls.
... I want to see a "trading places" skit where Morpheus and Kyubey switch positions...
I was hanging out for Mayday to get a mention, considering she remains Marvel's longest running solo female title with 100 uninterrupted issues. Sadly, May often gets overlooked despite her consistent quality and enduring series which lasted nearly 13 years.
Mayday was always more of a What-If than canonical spin-off
@@Aggrofool Every What If takes place somewhere in the Marvel multiverse. Getting her own comic in the MC2 universe (Earth-982) cemented her as a prominent spin-off character, and she's since been in both Spider-Verse events and multiple other crossover stories.
Also, let's not forget Web Warriors. Loved that book, and particularly loved seeing Mayday and Gwen being friends and co-workers.
@@Aggrofool it’s no different from spider Gwen and miles morales being in their separate universes
"You caught me spinning" I'm dead
Russell Garifulla I love his openings.
I'm a simple man. I see a comic tropes video, i click on it. Nuff said. Great work again Chris, Keep it up!
I love that so much.
He was spinning, but was he "spinning-off"?
;-)
16:50 Fun Fact: several Spider-woman characters already existed before Marvel's Spiderwoman, according to the Public Domain Superhero Wikipedia. Also, want to add, I love this intro.
Yeah, but they were public domain so Lee did not have to worry.
I am surprised you didn't cover the weird story of Wonder Girl
That ought to be it's own video.
I love this video. It really shows that sonetimes spinoff characters, even ones created for purely monetary reasons, can take off and become extremely popular in their own right. It really is up to the creative teams to flesh out the characters and make them more than just copies. As usual a well done, fair, and researched video.
And a little SHAZAM-in-pop-culture side note: The Hairstyle of jet black hair with the little Spit curl worn by Freddy Freeman/C.M. Jr inspired None other Than ELVIS PRESLEY (who was originally blond) to create his iconic hairstyle
Sunday morning in the UK. Cup of tea in hand, a great way to start the day! I wonder if we'll ever see big screen versions of spider woman and she hulk?
RighteousBrother a She-Hulk done well, by a decent writer could be quite good.
I don't think there's any way they could avoid controversy with She-Hulk, which is why they've avoided her entirely. She was portrayed as a cheesecake pin-up as fan-service for young, white, horny, teenaged boys. With comics in the mainstream, there's no way they could get away with that now... but if they cast someone like Amanda Bingson in the role and make her a strong, powerful woman, the alt-right frog-posting ComicsGate turds will flip their wigs and start calling in bomb threats. There's just no way for them to win.
NoJusticeNoPeace
She-Hulk could both do great, and be received well at the same time. I think if they didn't try the stock "strong female character archetype" a movie about her could really be good. I'd love a comedy/lawyer/action movie starring her and Bruce in the main roles. I don't know for sure but this could also possibly bypass the claim that Paramount has on a Hulk film.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace She-Hulk pin-ups were PROMINENTLY displayed on the wall in my bedroom!
@@NoJusticeNoPeace well there is an MCU She-Hulk tv show coming so I believe they will do just fine with it.
I love Captain Marvel (Both) but I lean Mar-Vell because of Jim Starlin's run. Very sci-fi and triply but man does Jim Starlin make it visually interesting and the writing is pretty great especially when Thanos is being used.
Finally! A person who knows that Gwen’s superhero name isn’t Spider-Gwen, but just the comic’s title. Sick of people saying that Spider-Gwen is a silly name. No duh. It’s the comic title only.
It WAS her name for a handful of issues, but it was replaced pretty quickly by the next writer.
Miles is my favorite spiderman. However the comics didn't do him justice until like 2018ish cause Brian just didn't know what to do with him. But into the spider verse, best spiderman movie ever
I think you missed one of the most popular sidekicks of all time, with a story and background unlike any sidekick on your list...
Harley Quinn, one of the few villainous sidekicks, who you could argue has surpassed the popularity of the character she originated from.
At least she is close
Okay. . . that Stan Lee impression was just beautiful.
I love the irony that Batwoman was created in fear of gay shaming, only to one day become, arguably, the most famous gay hero of all time.
Life is fun.
Ha
Can't help but feel like that was intentional!
😂😂😂
@John Smith A lot of people do. Please don't let the CW ruin her for you.
@@hopebringer2348
For people how don't know comics she is iconic.
Without googling can you name one good story she has? One "good" badguy she fights? She is only a lesbian... We know with how she sleep but it doesn't make a superhero story.
Northstar have much better stories and he is not "just a gay hero". Even Renee Montoya have best sorties...
I think we can all agree that Stan Lee impression was on point.
Do you have plans to talk about Gwenpool? I think her stories are an interesting parallel to your show, in that they are commentaries on tropes...
I think Kate bishop is one of the best spin off characters imo especially in the 2012 Hawkeye run
The Spider-Woman cartoon is the most unintentionally hilarious thing I have ever seen. Definitely worth the watch.
I really appreciate how you express your opinions on diversity in comics in a positive way. It never seems forced from you and it's a really good standout from the sea of angry comic book fans who seem to recoil and complain at the sight of representation for people remotely different from them. Keep up the good work!
This is a gross misunderstanding of why a lot of people have a problem with "representation". It isn't that they're trying to represent more people, that's good, it's the expectation they have that just changing an established character into a minority, which is more often then not done extremely poorly, is what people want. Miles Morales worked imo because it wasn't mainline Peter that got killed off and replace in a few months, it was Peter from another universe. Almost every more recent character getting this just comes off as lazy and exploitative, and they want people to write off people who don't like these characters painted as racist because it protects them from criticism. There are very few characters that work in spite of this, 2 examples in my opinion are the Spider-Man characters Miguel O'Hara and Miles Morales (Miguel more so, he differentiates himself in almost every way) but at the end of the day representation is a good marketing strategy, and if you can save on actual writing and make money by introducing new characters that are effectively the same as the character before instead of writing new and compelling characters, why wouldn't you?
@Jiub_SN um that's you theres alot of folks who basically hate even original characters. We've all met them online except you I guess 😂😂😂
No joke. When my brother and I used to watch Gomer Pyle, every time he said “Shazam,” we would chuckle as we imagined him suddenly transforming into Captain Marvel/Shazam
Just want to thank you for all the incredible work you have done, and all the incredible content you put out. My entire family enjoys your channel!
What about Monica Rambau?
Not that I'm a big fan of hers, but I was quite surprised she didn't even get a mention during the Captain Marvel portion.
She was also created to keep the copyright to the Captain Marvel name at Marvel.
I guess Monica isn’t technically a spin-off since she’s a new version of Captain Marvel (and was the only Captain Marvel at that time) and not a Ms. Marvel or a Lieutenant Marvel or a Captain Marvelwoman or anything like that. In contrast, Miles Morales is a new version of Spider-Man but there’s still an “official” version running concurrently, so that gives him “spin-off status” and not a “relaunch” or “remake”... one could argue Miles is an “Ultimate Spider-Man remake,”,and that USM was a Spider-Man spin-off.
Just a quick note: Otto Binder's name is pronounced Bender, like the character from Futurama. I read some biography about him.
No...not Bender...Binder. Like cinder or hinder. Or kinder.
One of my favorite spin off characters is Talon. The short run itself had a few ups and downs but I feel like a hero who is an escape artist is inherently cool and has potential.
I will argue everyone wanted the classic Supergirl back after Byrne's lackluster version.
I like spinoff characters. The best ones grew in to their own organically and made sense for the plot of whatever story they were in
Just finding your channel after your eternals vs the comics video keep it up great break down and history lesson
In the Beatles song, "Bungalow Bill" references Captain Marvel too!
The Magic Mixture had a song titled Captain Marvel
I forgot also another Thor spinoff character, Beta Ray Bill! my favorite.
Don't forget that Elvis Presley himself based his hairstyle and looks on Captain Marvel Jr.
Wasn't that kinda the hairstyle in fashion during that period anyway?
@@jp5394 im not sure if it was before presley
Peter Parker/Spider-Man has many spin-off titles given his massive popularity to the point there was even a multiverse crossover called Spider-Verse which was adapted into a successful animated movie titled Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. Some of the Spider-Man titles are:
* Miles Morales
* Gwen Stacy/Spider-Gwen
* Miguel O'Hara/Spider-Man 2099
* May "Mayday" Parker/Spider-Girl
* Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider
* Kaine Parker
* Anya Corazon/Spider-Woman
* Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman (kind of)
* Eddie Brock/Venom
Don't forget Toxin and Agent Anti-Venom. Honestly, at some point, the big two should consider a purge of overly redundant spin-off characters. Then again, that will be pointless as they'll just ressurect them again as they're somebody's favorite.
Great episode. But, you got the Incredible Hulk show station wrong. It aired on CBS for the series and NBC for the 3 tele-movies.
hold up, the TV live action incredible hulk ran on CBS. it was friday nights at 9pm after the dukes of hazard, before Dallas. i watched it like a mental patient. the live action spider-man and and 2nd and third season of wonder woman also was on CBS. also watched like a mental patient.
@Silver Star In 1977, a short-lived live action television series was produced called The Amazing Spider-Man, starring Nicholas Hammond in the title role. Although the series earned good ratings, the CBS Television Network canceled it after just two seasons, along with Wonder Woman, to avoid being labeled as "the superhero network." The series was broadcast only sporadically during the second season. Several episodes from this series were turned into full-length motion pictures outside the U.S. Three movies were released overseas: Spider-Man in 1977, Spider-Man Strikes Back in 1978, and Spider-Man: The Dragon's Challenge in 1981.
Do mental patients watch tv differently than sane people? 🤔
@@AC-gb7do No they use their eyes like anyone else.
Very glad that Miles has developed in both the films and movies into his own person
great episode. super informative. love to learn the history of so many characters and comics. Great job! thank you!
Man, you talking about Miles right before Into the Spider-verse came out was super interesting. The ways that people talk about Miles before and after that movie is like night and day.
Because the movie enhanced his character completely.
Excellent look back at comics history - great look at this unique trope to (English?) comics. Some of my favorite characters have been spinoffs! Always look forward to your show! Wish you luck in this wonderful theme.
The Incredible Hulk tv show aired on CBS, not ABC. It was on right after The Dukes Of Hazard.
The way Jeph Loeb draws supergirl only gives me impure thoughts and it scares me.
Yay I'm not the only one who remembers Ravage 2099.
Your videos are so interesting and engaging. Thank you for taking the time to put these together!
Love Spider-Gwen. I have always struggled to really enjoy Peter Parker for some reason(heresy, I know), but find his spin-off characters to be far more entertaining. Both Miles and Gwen are great characters, and I love the alternate-reality aspects like Matt Murdock as Kingpin.
Also, yeah, gotta admit that the novelty of Gwen-based puns like Gwenom are a bonus for me, lol.
Is Miles really all that different from Peter in the comics...? Like I get that in Spider-Verse, but in the comics, he’s pretty much a blatant copy paste
@@atayamohammad0 shes a poser sjw who anything but a white male gets her attention
Gwen variants are now over-done in Marvel comics, surpassing Squirrel Girl levels of gimmicky 4th wall zaniness.
Well if miles got your attention then read ultimate Spider-Man starring Peter Parker since they’re written almost the exact same way
There was also an animated character called Web Woman. I heard that Marvel found out about her and rushed out Spider-Woman so Filmation could not use the name for her.
The thing that really gets me about the new current Batwoman is that just like with Supergirl she's the cousin to the character that she's emulating
One of your best episodes so far, Chris.
Batwoman was easily my favorite New 52 book. If anyone hasn't checked it out likes stories more on the spooky/occult side you should definitely check it out. JH Williams leaving the book when DC wouldn't let her get married was a big part of why I stopped keeping up with comics, it was just so disappointing.
The way it typically worked is that DC made bank from spin-off "family" legacy characters while Marvel made bank from introducing new mutants.
Which is why Marvel has significantly fewer spin-off characters than DC.
Your Stan Lee voice made me incredibly happy!
As a comic reader in the late 1970s, I rather enjoyed the early runs of She-Hulk, Spider-Woman, and Ms. Marvel, although I can't say that they were "great" comics. The interesting thing about DC's spin-off characters is that they tended to come about in different ways, instead of just doing the same thing with each of their major characters. Kid Flash was never really Flash's sidekick, although he did work with Flash on occasion, but a separate hero who operated on his own, and then later with the Teen Titans. Green Lantern spin-offs were basically limited to substitutes for Hal Jordan, until the Green Lantern Corps gained popularity, and then you had all sorts of alien Green Lanterns running around. The story of Wonder Girl is especially interesting. She was intended to be stories of Wonder Woman as a girl, much like Superboy, but when the Teen Titans were created, she was mistakenly assumed to be a character other than Diana Prince, and they never really corrected that mistake. And then there was Man-Bat!
Loved this episode, definitely loved the Shazam family spinoff books cause there's a great charm to them. The new series has similar characters if you're interested.
This channel needs a mil+ subs
Otto Binder is, to me, the reason those Captain Marvel books should be remembered. Their humor was hilarious, almost satirical. (As a glance at almost any cover will tell you). Binder was a terrific sci fi writer. He created I, Robot, the short story featuring Adam Link - which went on to influence the up and coming Isaac Asimov. Binder's scripts are the only part of that series that matter to me. When they did the movie version in 2019, I was fairly pleased, but I'd like to see a more conscious effort to translate the Binder humor in any subsequent efforts.
Supergirl's popularity had more to do with the Superman's 90s animated series portrayal.
She was great in that show, its a shame the same cant be said about her comic counter part.
@@oldmanlogan9616 in my opinion, Batman TAS, Superman TAS, JL and JLU are the definitive DC adaptations
Statutory Grape for sure! Love Superman tas- just finished a rewatch!
supergirl the live action CW show is really bad. I like the supporting characters, and the other CW dc shows..but their take on supergirl can best be described as cringe. I think that word is over used nowadays.. but that show is hard to watch.
@@oldmanlogan9616 at the time, her comic counterpart was in a weird situation.
You do great content! Keep up the great work! Long time subscriber, first time leaving a comment.
I appreciate your love of Spider- Gwen.
I didn’t know the history of hawkman and hawkgirl. I just read dark nights metal where they rebooted their origin and they are super ancient and i like they are being kept as important in DC comics.
17:00 THUMBS UP for your Stan Lee impression!
I haven't seen a copy of something from MARVEL that good since BLACK CAT landed in Spider-Man and they pretended it WASN'T Catwoman! 😉
You have got the best Stan Lee voice impression I have ever heard! Marvel should be callin' you for your voice work of 'The Man'! Excelsior!
Nice and chunky episode at the time I'm usually up chilling. Perfect Sunday morning/Saturday night
One of your best ones yet, Chris!
Aw dude you forgot to mention Gabby Kinney, clone of X-23! Which technically makes her a spinoff of a spinoff
I’ve jumped in and out of comics all through my years. Got pretty serious in the early 80s and again in the late 90s early 00s. ( is that what people mean when they say oughts?). One of the things that would ring my bell back then would be a good documentary about comics. Hard to find but every once in a while......... Then of course TH-cam became a thing right? Now there’s more vids about comics it seems than there are actual comics. ( I exaggerate of course).
But there are some GOOD ONES. Like this channel. Fantastic stuff. Thanks for these videos and please don’t stop!!!
the STAN Lee impersonation 😂😂😂
the thumbnail makes it look like the original Captain Marvel is being put forward as a spinoff, but of course, you merely intended that he has a spinoff cast. no tears after all
Big on Daken, he was very interesting.
There is also a comic out there that shows two characters (I want to say it is an Avengers book with two lesser known Avengers characters,) talking about Wolverine who is passing through a room they are in, and one of the says "Wolverine is on this team too?" and the other character replies something to the effect of, "He's on every team." It was pretty funny.
Hawkman is underrated. There are actually some good runs on the character. Obviously Vendettis recent run but also Messer-loeb has a good run and the Geoff Johns material is dope too.
Loved the "Hawkworld" miniseries, but unfortunately, the story fell apart when they reached Earth
0:11 You spinned, then it all came off. I'll walk myself out.
The HULK TV show was on CBS, not NBC. Otherwise, a very entertaining video!
Supergirl had backup stories in Action comics with Superman generally as the cover feature and semi regularly appeared with the Legion of Superheroes stores in Adventure comics in the 1960's and 1970's. She also sometimes appeared in Stories with Superman, also sometimes in Jimmy Olsen comics where she for a short time dated Jimmy.
Hah! This time I guessed your "You caught me _" Intro. ;)
Great topic!!! Speaking of Captain Marvel, how about an episode dedicated to the overly complicated history of Miracleman, er Marvelman. Great job as always Chris!
Christopher Johnson He already did a video on Miracleman. I haven't watched it all, but it's interesting.
@@truefanforum3273 This String of Lawsuits lead us to have Angela in a Marvel Universe, not in McFarlane Universe.
I believe Bob Chipman did something of the sort a few years back.
@@truefanforum3273 oh yes the Alan Moore episode... Miracleman spans so much more than that but yes that was a great episode. 😃
Christopher Johnson I really don't know much about Miracleman, so if you say it's history is complicated, then I defer to your knowledge. I guess discussing the comic has to start somewhere, and Alan Moore is always a good start.
Watching this now that the spider-verse movies have blown up and changed the game is so funny.
You don't have to worry about Miles Morales having a different character. (I'm from the future in 2020.)
1:30 they didn't colour in his bolt yellow... also awesome episode! Love having stuff to watch while I burn the midnight oil.
I live for the intros to these videos. So wholesome lol
You missed Monica Rambeau during her tenure as Captain Marvel - she was the first true spinoff from him!
I wouldn't call it a spin off , but Gary Gianni's Monstermen was included in the early Hellboy comic books and its my favourite comic series(that and Beasts of Burden) from dark horse even though it didnt even have an actual comic book run.
funny how Captain Marvel and Shazam get movies in the same year
Not really. Both companies knew that.
Great video and great artwork at the end of the video
How come you did not dive into Image comics? Like for Spawn or Invincible. Or for 2000AD for Judge Dredd? Great video anyway. Love your work.
Whenever Fantastic Four reemerge, one I'd really like to see - Take the "What If the Fantastic Four Had Different Powers?" version and begin with the original origin (OK, maybe backdate a bit and have Reed competing for the X-Prize instead beating Soviets into space) and show in detail how theit adventures and career developing differently because of the powers of Bib Brain, Dragonfly, Mandroid and Miss Fantastic.
Excellent video, as usual. Super interesting to find out so many details of heroes that I've only heard of thus far. Keep up the great work!
Sometimes I wonder what the writer of "Seduction of the innocent" of the modern day
When I was a kid I hated the concept and design of spiderwoman. I felt that if they were going to make a female version of the character it should look more like the main one. This one was too different. Now as a adult I realize this method tends to risk making the character bland and not last long. Everyone does it in this format for years. Making the female version with a more unique look, personality, and other traits helps convey the character is not created in a lazy way. They did in fact thought while making her. At that young age I didn't see it or know enough to realize it. Now I do.
A great video. You covered a lot of info and history and pulled it off great. I learned a lot about the more modern heroes such as Miles Morales and the newer Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel. Happy Holidays.
DC should have renamed Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) "Captain Marvelous" instead of "Shazam" because Shazam is the name of the wizard who passed on his powers to Billy Batson. Renaming Billy Batson's alter-ego "Shazam" was a dumb idea because Billy would have trouble saying "Shazam" because that is his new superhero name and saying "Shazam" will keep making Billy transforming back and forth. DC needs to do their research on Billy Batson's superhero alter-ego's name change history on the internet and rename Shazam (Billy Batson) "Captain Marvelous".
LoL love the "of some sort" in Marvin's fan art!
No mention of Monica Rambeau, Hawkman's cartoon or Captain Marvel serial.
I remember Thor spinoff Thunderstrike
Quiro Me too. I even have the first issue of his comic, the last issue, and a few in between. Good stuff.
I like how he looked when he was Thor. I've only read Infinity Gauntlet with him so I don't know him very well.
PhantomKnight64 He was an interesting character, especially when he got his own series where he could really grow as a character. And I've noticed that the helmet he wore as Thor looks a lot like the one Jane Foster wore. That was a nice touch when creating the female Thor.
Thunderstrike’s son was a character for about a minute as well. I forget how he got the mace though.
Edit: An embittered adolescent Kevin Masterson is featured in the Thunderstrike limited series. The character previously featured as an idealistic child is shown to have anger, behavioral problems, and disillusioned outlook on "spandex-covered glory hounds."
He is given his father's enchanted mace by Captain Steve Rogers; which to their mutual disappointment triggers no change in the character (although he does receive an open invitation to the Avengers Academy, in which he is later seen arriving on their New Campus in California.)
While on his way home, Kevin tries to save a mother and child from a rampaging Rhino and is transformed into a superhero. Kevin briefly battles the Rhino, and shortly after Kevin is defeated, he realizes that he is in his father's body. Mangog, a foe of Thor, resurfaces and threatens New York City. The young hero teams with Thor, to battle the monster. Kevin accepts his new identity as Thunderstrike, along with a new image, and continues his adventures under the mentorship of Brunnhilde the Valkyrie.
A C I've seen a trade of that comic and at a shop. After your description I should really get it. Thanks. Oh, Kevin is now in Asgardians of the Galaxy by the way.
22:50 You are forgetting Daken though.
Love your channel!
Superman spinoffs, Lois Lane and Jimmy Olson were back in the 1950's. The Lois Lane comic is even mentioned in the film, "The Iron Giant".