Toji Fushiguro is NO MATCH for The 12 Moons
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Maki caught a bullet with her bare hand from a revolver and genya was shooting upper 4 with a sawed off shotgun😭
Do remeber the bullet was rubber which would infact reduce the speed dramatically compared to a normal revolver bullet
@@mkfunney538also upper 4 never really tried dodging they wanted to be hit by it so they split
@@layspotatochips6954 omg ur literally so right aswell I did not take that into account hahahah
@@mkfunney538was it rubber??? Wouldn't rubber be destroyed at that speed? A young ghetto was able to use a curse to block the ( reacted) shots from toji, and tojis reaction speed is faster than ghettos.
Also, the feat that pushes muichiros reaction speed to mach 50000 is so bad. Yorichi couldn't destroy the 1800 pieces lol zan spit into, and those were not projectiles just flesh piles
I hope you account for the soul splitting sword. I’m not sure if any demons have control over their souls or can recover from soul damage.
Since when has there been a soul splitting soul
@@SAWYERFAN.1 Since day one? Maki is using the replica of this sword created by her sister Mai
Soul Splitting Katana ignores any durability of the target and attacks the soul directly
@@SAWYERFAN.1since always it’s the katana with hair as a guard. That iconic Toji panel where he slices out of getos curse it’s him holding the split soul katana
@sawyerfan5056 Since we met toji, it's the sword he used to kill getos rainbow dragon despite it being getos' most defensive shikigami at the time
@@SAWYERFAN.1Its the literal weapon toji used against geto which has the ability to bypass physical toughness and strike directly to the SOUL of the target
I think he forgot the reaction speed of each person compared to tojin. Tojin can feel stuff he can’t see, so his 6th sense is also elevated. Tojin was able to react to the sure hit attack in a domain expansion and even over come the opponent.
He did factor that in. He mentioned it and gave it to them for beating upper-moon rank 6 despite them being massively faster than them, he just also said that after them you get to people so much faster than them that no kind of reaction speed could matter
Nah Toji didn’t react to the sure hit of dagon’s domain because domains with closed barriers can’t place a sure hit on him because he has no cursed energy but he did react to the swarm of attacks in dagon’s domain
@@InMasoWeTrustthe swarm of attacks was his sure hit effect, normally people like maki and Toji arnt effected automatically but if you are targeted individually like Dagon did with toji and maki then they can be hit
@@Snow-l2z lol no Dagon literally states that Megumi's domain was nullifying his sure hit effect reread the chapter.
@@esheanarumainathan2053mrgumis domain wittled away after toji came through, you reread the chapter
He’s easily Gyomei level Hashira, without the blindess Toji’s senses are already ‘see through world’ worthy
Then he would lose to upm 3 and above most likely
@@peron1391 that’s just with his body alone. He still has his cursed tools. Like the soul splitting katana.
He's Not he is Tengen Lvl. if he is gyomei lvl he can beat Akaza
He can though
@@appluntin2680 No tf he cannot Akaza blitzes him before he can sense akaza akaza is 5000+ times faster than Toji
Assuming he could master any breathing style given his perfect bodily control, and his soul attacking sword that ingores defense. I'm perfectly confident he would absolutely solo the verse.
He's basically starting on the same level as the first breathing style user.
He would also figure out the see through world in seconds.
Lmao
Based on what evidence? I'm also a bigger fan of JJK than I am of demon slayer but can't people be more objective when trying to stack up universes against each other? "person A from universe A would blitz person B from universe B because I said so." Fells like I'm back in grade 5 arguing about which dragon ball character punches harder
Bro pulled ts out his a**
You know who also got perfected senses and has perfect body control... Inosuke, my guy, this doesnt mean that he would learn every breathing nor get into the see through world...
@@dmaurille the first part is wrong but he does have a soul splitting sword that can ignore the regen and defence of the demons
We have to take into account the fact that the toji who fought gojo was weaker than usual because he had took a LONG break from mercenary work, (he states twice that he’s rusty) and the toji that was in shibuya was essentially the strongest version of toji we see due to the fact that when the grandma summoned him she used his “toji zen-in” name which was what he he went by before meeting megumi’s mother in his prime, and in the seance that the grandma used saying the name of someone at their peak is necessary to bring them back in their peak.
Tbf tho Gojo was also Nerfed a bit....as he was still very fatigued at least at the beginning of the fight....I agree with your points just thought that should be taken into account
@@No-ny3cobut also taking in account the second battle, where young gojo is at his peak (id scale around maybe jjk 0 six eyes gojo) he still was keeping up the only reason he lost being that he didn’t even know what hollow purple was, could be biased but i think if he did know what that attack was he would’ve been able to avoid it a few times and possibly even injure that version of gojo before being killed
@@uzui1837I wouldn’t say keeping up after he awakened 😂 like he tanked a newly acquired red. But hollow purple has never been dodged, even when Gojo was a km away it still hit hanami.
Jjk 0 Gojo easily stronger than a awakened teen Gojo. Like far stronger, he spent a year perfecting his techniques and was still mastering domain after that.
I think Gojo was in his prime in the present manga.
But Toji loses either way to that awakened Gojo even if you think he puts up a “better fight” in his prime.
Actually, fun fact thats actually a viz translation its actually the name that they were given when born and not when they were at peak
Doesn't matter, even if he became a thousand times more faster, he still is nowhere near fast enough, Those Demons would still be a few thousand times faster, and not to mention demons have unlimited stamina.
i think the two biggest factors you didn’t take into affect are their abilities of regeneration and reading air currents to predict attacks. I know some people might think “what regeneration?” well during her fight with Naoya she got hit with an attack going mak 3 and all she needed was five minutes to heal granted she didn’t get the time cause kamo sucks but she did heal quite a bit in the time he gave her.
Dosent matter if he can cut through souls if he is too slow to see what he is cutting
@@shaine9968 if Maki=Toji and Maki could keep up with Sukuna that could dominate Kashimo who using his technique becomes lightning, Toji is definitely faster than DS characters
@@EvillAnime the sukuna that maki was fighting didnt have his original body and kashimo technique does not turn him into lightning
@@EvillAnimeyeah kashimo didn't become lightning, he cloaked himself in his electrified curse energy to enhance his agility
@@shaine9968bro toji five sense is enhanced to peak that he won't have problem with muzan
One note I have for the speed section for Toji that I feel was unfair is that the the top tiers of the JJK verse are not hypersonic+. Characters such as Kashimo directly use lightning based attacks and Hikari is able to react (not dodge) to said attack and provide counrer measures to stay alive. This means that characters thay scale to them (awakened maki, FP Yuta, Yuki, Kenjaku etc) should all also scale relatively to this. Depending on how you scale Toji, the majority of the community can range from "Toji can put up a good fight against these top tiers" to "Toji wins against these top tiers" so take from this what you will. Just wanted to say, even aside from Sukuna and Gojo, there are massively hypersonic characters in JJK.
He knows that but when he says they are hypersonic+ he means how quickly they can move, not how quickly they can react. Speed and reaction time are not the same thing.
Reacting to an attack to put up a defense does not need you to be anywhere close to as fast as the attack. For example, in real life professional baseball players regularly throw balls at over 90mph and the batters can react to that and hit the ball but, given that the fastest ever recorded dash from a human was approximately 23mph, they are nowhere near as fast as what they reacted to.
Hikari reacted so fast, that he reacted after he was hit; that's fast thinking not reaction speed, but who am I to say? not to say that you're wrong, but the speeds your putting them at is ridiculously bad (maybe not inaccurate).
Isn't toji said to be sukanas physical equal at some point tho
@@nathanc5108 No they have basically never compared Toji to anyone on a strength basis
@@thejinxedcat3616 ah must be someone else's comparison of him
I’m so glad you stressed how silly power scaling can get, people really do act like you stole their first born if you say their favorite character isn’t as strong as someone else’s lol
How u figure it’s silly. Ps is based of science/math which is how you solve most of the questions in the shows?
@@GBHD7414 what’s silly is how bent out of shape people get, not necessarily the power scaling itself. Also most manga/anime are not written by PhDs, so your math and science probably aren’t going to practically answer anything outside of power scaling lol
@@GBHD7414 most numbers you get on powerscaling are scientifically impossible
I know someone who got into a fistfight because another guy wouldn’t agree with him that “Goku solos Thanos even with a full infinity gauntlet” the other guy just said no because of the reality stone. Thanos just needs to close his fist and erase Goku from existence. The one guy defending Goku got so mad he wouldn’t agree with him that he sucker punched him and ended up getting his ass kicked lol.
@@GBHD7414It’s silly because each universe follows it’s own set of rules and trying to compare 2 characters that each follow a different set of rules is just straight up dumb because you have to break both set of rules to have a decent chance at judging them fairly because, guess what, their power scaling is different. And what’s the point of to even compare them then since you already broke the rules of their power and made up new rules to compare them.
Just gonna put this out: the mach 3 statement is _extremely_ contentious in the JJK scaling community, since a _hilariously_ weaker and slower Maki was able to catch a bullet that was, at the time, somewhere around _point-blank range from her._ This was calced to be _substantially_ faster than mach 3 (I think it was something like mach 27, but I don't recall exactly), so similarly to Frieza hyping up planet busting in the Tournament of Power, it's mostly just considered an outlier statement.
The people that scale that point-blank shot to make her mach 27 are deluded. That scaling only works if she only started reacting the very moment the bullet was fired, but she is so skilled in combat and has such fast reactions that she definitely reacted to the person moving their finger to fire the gun which makes her actual speed substantially slower
@@shinycaterpie4443 Thing is, she also only _moved_ once the bullet was at point-blank range
@@shinycaterpie4443makis senses at that point arent as refined as toji. The simple fact she wasnt aware of another bullet can be used to say she wasn't awate of it until it wwa near her face.
@shinycaterpie4443 just for context it was a shot from a revolver the had already fired 6 shots the character who shot it has the ability to materialise a 7th bullet so its quite possible that she reacted to the bullet itself and not the trigger pull
@@shinycaterpie4443she moved once the bullet was fired and was already an inch give it take from her face.
Are we forgetting they could literally sense demons across the city? Daylight is easy to abuse when the demons have no method of hiding. The MC needed to be able to smell movement to even stand up lol. Heavenly restriction is that Times 100
You have no argument, video already accounted heavenly restrictions sense, but still it's not enough.
Tanjiro already avoiding speed of sound before he even learn sun breathing, let alone character like UM2 that can instantly freeze large area or generate actual lighting without drawback.
@@overcomingsins6334 video absolutely did not cover the fact that heaven restriction would enable the use of the original breathing style sun breathing the SECOND it was seen or sensed the methods worked.
Meaning they would literally just be demon slayers with super learning abilities.
Do... you read jjk?
Heavenly restriction post enlightenment allows near perfect control over the entire body ..
@@overcomingsins6334 tanjiro was not being hit by 3-600lbs moving at mach three.
You miss that part.
Nor can he heal internal injuries in arguably seconds. At all.
They would literally have no way of knowing that sunlight are a demons weakness…
@@Old_Demon04 you have no idea who toji is?
He's one of the single most deadly characters in his verse without having powers even half that of the main cast.
He's literally got batman level planning. He would absolutely not even let himself be seen by a demon until he knew how they died.
in this fight Toji could just use his arsenal (Inverted Spear of Heaven, Split Soul Katana, Chain of a Thousand Miles, Playful Cloud, etc) soul spliting katana could be very deadly or even a one shot and if we go a step foward and say that inverted spear of heavan could cancel the blood demon arts (via verse equalization) neither their regen nor demon arts would be funtional making this very quick on Toji's favor since he is quite the strategist
They would definitely be one shots, which is why the speed scaling was so important. He very much highlighted that Toji can hit hard enough to kill the demons if he can land a blow, but he also showed how much slower he is than them so wouldn't be able to land a blow, or even wait for them to tire out so he can land a blow (they have unlimited stamina)
@@shinycaterpie4443 I doubt that to be the case, slower slayers with proper strategy have been able to keep up with oponents far faster than themselves, even though most die, i feel like it would be enough to give Toji an edge specially with the Uper moons mostly arrogant personalities, even the calmest Kokushibo and Muzan dont finish fights outright even if they can
@@dragon-ye2mw as great as his arsenal may be not having the speed is still the biggest factor I mean most of the demons can blitz toji without him being able to get one weapon out of his cursed worm, also he didn't even full go over demons hax I mean we have demons who skin is extremely tough I mean upper 5 had skin hard as diamond imagine what upper 1 skin is like with the huge power gap plus other factors such a douma who froze the air around him toji and maki don't have special breathing to stop there lungs frezzeing plus one thing he did not mention is that tanjiro and uziz in the fight against upper moon lasted so long cause they slowed down the poison in there system toji and maki cant do that as great as a soul splitting sword is if u first cant hit the target but cant even counter the amazing haxs some of the demons have what is toji or maki going to do Upper 5 can punch things and they turn into fish how will toji durability help him against that
@@mkfunney538 he might not have the speed but he has the instincts, slight regeneration, senses, resilience (he can take severe punished and even died standing) and reflexes to compensate, keep in mind this man is not supposed to even see cursed spirits yet his senses alone allow him to perceive it, and if it needs be his body can react instinctively without conscious input from him like it did in Shibuya and how it tried to warn him about Gojo, and about his spirit along side his fly heads he stores inside his body, being invisible to the demons due to being curses so he has plenty and quick access to his arsenal , soul splitter and inverted spear ignore durability so that would be an easy fix specially the inverted spear of heaven shutting down whatever regeneration and demon art they have, if they are in character they're personalities and his tactical mind it will give Toji the edge he needs, at least in a one v one gauntlet scenario, as a group the demons stand a chance, one v one not so much
And if this happens in the demon slayer universe you could make the argument that if pushed Toji could awaken the demon slayer mark
The major threat's are upper 5, Muzan and Upper 6 who with hacks have a chance of beating Toji
Edit: Grammar I don't speak well English
@@dragon-ye2mw wait but who said that it would disable there blood arts or regen I mean it stops cursed energy but demons don’t have access to that plus other demon have other haha I mean as I said upper 2 literally freezes the air around him how would Toji be able to stop his lungs from freezing and the lack of oxygen he would not have play being able to persevere something does not mean u can react to it I mean I see a bullet fly at me that does not mean I’m fast enough to dodge even if Toji can sense the attack he would probably have to have some form of foresight or future seeing to be able to react to it cause let’s say akaza fist is flying straight to him he may be able to sense it but he is nowhere the speed to dodge so he would need to know the attack before it happens to compensate the lack of speed and Toji being able to fight things that are invisible is very impressive but if Toji is speed blitzing those same invisible curses he still won’t able to react to stuff he is way to slow to react too if u get me
Also don’t worry about grammer or spelling I’m just as bad hahah
That sign off sums it up perfectly man, respect. Love both of these stories, so I definitely love the idea of seeing how the scale up, but it has no impact on how much I enjoy either one. Hope you enjoyed making it
Toji has lots of speed tbh, he caught and threw hundreds of tiny pieces of debris to destory a swarm or rabbit shikigami from megumi
And again thats around hypersonic
@@starsilvaX hypersonic is Mach 5+ while yorichii is Mach 3 is he outspeeds yorichii who outsped muzan who >>> all moons
@@Dino.001 nope
@@starsilvaX how 💀
@@Dino.001 remember muzan was nerfed muzan prime would max around lightning speeds or faster because hes the strongest demons and can and will blitz toji
Toji is massively faster than 600km/h, unawakened maki caught a point-blank bullet that was fired when she was off-guard
where is the proof of toji being faster than 600km
@@shaine9968because maki caught a bullet abd she was massively weaker than toji.
This is an explanation original commentor said, tho this isn't a good scaling because even gege(jjk author) said that he might have pushed makis abilities a bit to far, so i personally do not scale characters from this feat, but there is another much more reasonable and acknowledged scaling poin of maki fighting vengeful spirit naoya whom she outspeed who moves at speeds of mach3 and at this point maki 1 still implied to be weaker than toji, 2 has suffered a lot of damage and so is not at her 100%
@@forgot-to-log-outI mean geto also reacted to gun fire and he was massively slower than toji, and maki should be relative to teen geto when she was weaker in terms of speed.
Upper 1 2 3 are much faster than bullets though so 🤷
@@Cosmic_Uranusand Toji can be scaled to Massively Hypersonic through calculations
Bro understands JJK like I understand organic chemistry.
he doesn't :( the recent chapters show new speed feats for the verse
@@feulxx4676 Thats what he meant as he surely doesn't understand O.C
So he doesnt understand shit?( i too dont understand chemistry)
doesn't matter even if they did get pass kai the 3 upper moons stomp and thoes two vs muzan, muzan claps
Explain how the fractional column works
I love this type of content, Ik it’s not your normal kind of content, but hearing someone who genuinely knows what they’re talking about somewhat “Scaling” anime fights is amazing and really refreshing.
I was looking for this comment.😂
but it was not really correct
He makes alot of mistakes tho alot ppl have pointwd this out be he is a good power scaler
except he doesn't know what he's talking about lol
@@esheanarumainathan2053and you’re exactly why he doesn’t make videos like this, if your character doesn’t win you assume he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Cross universe scaling is so fucking stupid.
Never has clickbait infuriated me more than this. Good job.
I don’t think I ever really overestimated JJK
I think it was me underestimating Demon Slayer.
because the knowledge that they aren’t using elements in their swords and it’s just visual effects the readers sees
Causes me to think that oh the entirety of the things they do is physical and they can’t grow much further than the real world human limit, like by running they would only be able to just barely beat the fastest human irl, and vice versa for the other things.
I never took into account that physically demon slayers are actually strong and it’s not just the way they cut but also strength, speed, and durability too.
I think Toji/Maki could do better than Nick thinks when you factor in the personality of everybody. Because most of the demons are like typical villians and underestimate they opponent not going out literally playing wit they food this could allow Toji/Maki to grab some kills they otherwise wouldnt have. Especially for Maki she don't play around once she get the chance you are dead. I do agree that once you get to a certain point the upper demons are just to fast and strong even without their demon blood arcs.
Yeah but we also gotta make the argument that they’re gonna be dropped into a verse they know nothing about. No information on demons and their abilities, no information on the geography that could potentially help in a fight either. But yeah the upper moons are too fast
yeah but considering toji personality, he wouldn't be the type to just jump into a fight like what he did with gojo prepping all the different possibilities doing research and tiring him out before fighting@@Old_Demon04
The interpretation of the kimetsu verse as hypersonic has always seemed very inconsistent to me. We have the hashiras being hit by attacks at the speed of sound. Tanjiro, who had been able to dodge lightning in the Blacksmith Village saga at the end of this one, doing an imitation of thunder breath makes a sonic boom, something he couldn't do before (he is also seen being clearly slower than sound waves). Top tiers like the rock hashira, have to use sonic as a method to detect their opponent. Yorriichi in his fight against Muzan listening to the sound behind him. Akaza's power is based on generating shock waves (sonic booms) to damage his opponent, we do not see the rest of the characters generate shock waves (except characters like kokushibo or muzan). among other examples. I also say that the interpretation that the drum demon's attacks move at the speed of sound seems wrong to me. Tanjiro says that the movement of the room and the cuts is very fast. But it is never shown to be as fast as the sound, in fact the symbol of the drum sound is always shown and then the attack or the turn of the room
In short,the speed of characters from kny is very inconsistent
ignore, it is anime science
ADDING ON TO YOUR POINT SIR.
In the final fight of the Hashira vs Muzan, just after the Hashira get access to the STW, Gyomei states that it helps him fight, by specifically helping him hear more clearly.
If people are moving around at speeds massively faster than sound, then you wouldn’t be reacting to sounds to fight would you.
I still love the series, but gosh ain’t this bitch inconsistent.
Yeah I don't get it because if that tanjiro is able to be speed of sound (❗️I GOT SOUND MIXED UP WITH LIGHT❗️) beat kyogai and yet that same tanjiro not even a day before was grabbed and almost died to susamaru,yahaba and the swamp demon it honestly seems to inconsistent and in my opinion only kokushibo,yorrichi and muzan could reach speeds that fast
@@theEDITOR961 I don't ever wanna know what you're smokin because no character in kny is light speed💀.
Fastest they can go at is just above the speed of sound,I don't believe that Zenitsu and anyone above him is Lightning speed since all those lightning around him are just sfx and he uses thunder breathing not lightning.
Toji/Maki would be op in the demon slayer world, if they practice fighting with weaker demons first, and learn a breathe style
Lmao then what’s the point of the damn comparison? That’s like saying anyone can solo the verse as long as they get training, yeah no shit sherlock
And if the demons in the demon slayer verse learned curse techniques and a domain asking with their blood demon art they’d also be op lol. This statement is pointless. “Yes let’s give character A some prep time and knowledge of the verse while also letting them practice on weaker combatants in the verse so they can get stronger” tf kind of statement is this 😭
@@keys5595 however the odds of being able to use curse energy, while breathing techniques are highly learnable
@@keys5595demon would be same as sorcerer since very powerful sorcerers would strike their soul and damage them
@@keys5595 Except cursed techniques are innate/hereditary. You can't just learn something that can't be learned lol
Scaling Toji’s speed is relatively easy by looking at Naobito. Naobito’s cursed technique is that he can set 24-frames and then do all of the actions in said frames in 1 second and yes Naobito is able to react to his own movements. And we see that Toji is faster than him. Another way is that in the manga
MANGA SPOILERS
Curse Naoya is theorised to able to move at 2300mph and Maki is able to speed blits him completely and with Toji seemingly being faster than Maki we can assume he atleast faster than 2300mph. I also think just giving Toji a normal Nichirin is unfair. Cursed tools are one of Toji’s greatest assets and to take them all away and not just making his tools made of nichirin is kinda unfair. In the anime it’s shown that Toji is fast enough to jumpscare Dagon after Dagon blinks. Toji’s iq and biq are not to be underestimated either. He’s shown to be able to send Dagon ( who is like 6’3 6’4 and weighs like 240 pounds I couldn’t find exact measurements) flying with a single hit. The split-soul katana would also work as the demons in demon slayer have souls( this is shown by them being able to go to hell) and this would make them able to be killed by the split-soul katana as it can bi-pass healing
Overall Toji would absolutely clear all of demon slayer by himself and I doubt it’d be a challenge for him.
I love your videos and they usually are completely true but you really missed the mark on this one for me.
You realise Toji doing this to dagon is just considered perception blitzing which ds characters Have done hundreds of times? Not to mention He gave Toji a nichirin blade to Be able to Stop demons from regenerating... Below akaza at least.
He kinda lowballed The upper moons ap As well In this video
@@GotamaFusionSoul splitting katana targets the soul. No demons can protect their soul. Toji is capable of fighting beings that could take down entire cities and can use perception blitz better than any Demon Slayer character. Plus the man was jesus for a while. Can't get any better.
@@pootispow3232he didn't have it in Shibuya so I say he doesn't have it in ds
@@redtime701Why does it matter if he didn't even have it in Shibuya? It is still considered to be a part of his arsenal as he uses it a lot.
I can't lie I wit you on this one, feel like nick Def nerfed toji a little on this one.
I’d like to point out that the speed system works like this:
Supersonic (Speed of sound and above)
Hypersonic (Mach 5+)
Sub relativistic (1% speed of light or about Mach 872705)
Relativistic (10% speed of light)
Speed of light
Hakari dodged lighting POINT BLANK and maki scales near hakari so they no diff demon slayer
@@criptamintlance103 doesn't really make sense, Zenitsu did almost the exact same thing and he scales below Akaza in everything, probably including speed since Kaigaku for the most part kept up with him. Koku casually blitzed Akaza at the meeting and Gyomei, Sanemi and Muichiro (Muichiro should scale below Giyu and therefore Akaza and Douma.) Were capable of reacting to and dodging his attacks. So dodging lightning point blank when characters that demon slayers top tiers would no diff stomp can react to lightning from a similar distance is definitely not a no diff.
Nah he can low diff all 12 moons
Demon slayer killed them with nichirin and psuedo superhuman body their breathing techniques doesn't give them elemental powers but create condition for peak human performance
Toji can do that in default plus he has 6th sense and knows the flow of nature
If he has some curse tool that can replicate sun then he can mid diff muzan too
Demon slayer verse is way weaker than JJKverse
Plus Toji is like a ninja he doesn't need to fight them fairly
He just need to assassinate them
Where exactly where would he get that, your way of it happening has a lot of ifs and buts with 0 guarantees
You mean the same jjk where one of the fastest characters (maki) had trouble keeping up with mach 3 movement? The same jjk where lightning is considered near undodgable? Whereas things that speed are considered light work by high tiers in demon slayer having multiple characters able to move and even dodge lightning that arent even the best of the best
@@jerrickriddick6436 you gonna ignore when the same maki speed blitz and caught the guy moving at mach 3 ?
@@jerrickriddick6436 you mean the guy who is flying and instantly turning at mach 3? you mean the Maki that then caught the guy in mid-air after she realized how it works?
you mean the lighting (1/3rd speed of light) that is QUARANTEED to hit you? that one? yea?
@@jerrickriddick6436 who has dodged lightning? The lightning effects aren’t real lightning. Plus characters like Toji have a sixth sense that allowed them to perceive slight changes in the world around them to enhance their overall perception
isn't toji/maki and yorichi represents the pinnacle of humans in both of their verses??...in fact their powers are also similar like see through world which is similar to HR users can see the difference in temp and pressure in environment...imo HR is basically equivalent to marked yorichi..
Nah HR might be better their five sense enhance to the peak that they can interact with curse
Yes, but they dont have the stats and tools to beat an inf regen, way faster than them, cant get tierd demon. It dus not mater how potent your senses are, if somone is one gorillion times faster than you, they will win.
@@virnimthe demon slayer characters arent that much faster than jjk characters. Most of them can dodge lightning but at the same stime, atill be caught by sound based attacks. This shows that their reaction speed can go up to faster than lightning but their movement speed doesn't match up with that reaction speed well. Also the soul split katana solos demon slayer
@@Blackmustache870 But so far he has only gone over all 3 upper 6 saying that they are over lighting level espaially kaigaku with his lighting ability but then think about character such as akaza douma and kokoshibo but then also think about the demons hax such as gyotro with his poison, the only reason tanjior lasted so long was due to him slowing the blood round his body with his breath, toji does not have that sort of training or upper 2 who freezes the air around him normal human die instantly just by breathing, and being near douma, slayer river came that with there breathing but how can toji over come that he would not only be slowed by the cold but would die very quickly he may be durable, but the lack of oxygen would simply kill him off.
@mkfunney538 @mkfunney538 characters that r not nearly has physically powerful or had senses honed as toji reacted to lightning in jjk already. There is not a single implication of the series that gyutaros poison is instant death. Toji can also heal his organs. He scales far above gyutaro so he'd kill him before the poison becomes vital. And the fact toji can regurgitate things right from his stomach would mean he has experience dealing with things in his body. Ur assuming toji is a normal human vs douma. No human in real life can even perform the physical feats Maki before her awakening does. Yuji is stronger than that and toji is far above that. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume toji has enhanced lungs as well.
Another solid video as always! I kinda liked the perspectives you gave on it too. I never even THOUGHT of JJK characters fighting in Demon Slayer and how similar their worlds are. But you also made me realize how quick the Demon Slayer universe is too!
Toji has already shown himself capable of out-pacing people with attacks moving faster than the speed of sound, Toji and Maki can scale to characters like Hakari, who can react to Kashimo's lightning strikes.
Just putting that out there.
These demonslayer fans are wack as hell. Toji easily clears the verse with only two notable exceptions muzan and the guy who defeated muzan who i forgot his name. Those two can give him some trouble but even then, Toji is just too ridiculous. Mfs was running on water like it was nothing to him.
@@rafaelsantiago1651not clears, I’d say toji can beat nearly all the hashira, minus yoriichi, but I think he’s a direct match for douma
@@kaydenwalker3696 i think he beats yoriichi as well though extremely diff. It could be 50/50 who knows but everyone else? He definitely clears.
@@rafaelsantiago1651 stop the cap, hes not beating shit weak ass grbanzo
And some of the slowest hashira are faster than lightning too soo
So what I'm hearing is that Toji and Maki punchy harder but are so slow that the hit wouldn't land.
exactly
But the thing is they are faster if you look at their feats
quiet litterally what muichiro said. It dosent matter how strong an attack is if it dosent land
@@GalaxyHashira toji speed blitz a ton of people in a fight
Idk I feel like with the right cursed weapons and maybe a little knowledge of the demon beforehand he could deff kill more than a couple of the twelve moons. But honestly he’d get turned by Muzan and be happy about it. Edit: Hey we agree for once lmao
If he can be turned given how Heavenly restriction works against foreign energies (if we’re balancing the verses)
the split soul katana durability negs so he could literally oneshot every character in DS
I think WAY too many people undrestimate the Demon Slayer universe.
Overestimate* Muzan got paralyzed by a low level explosion and he is easily the most durable character in the verse
@@Buraq786-bm1uh did you forget that, that explosion was specifically made to slow muzan down by hiding nichirin Caltrops in them? Or are we ignoring that...
The explosion had shit in there that made him paralyzed bro how bout you actually watch the show
Demon slayer universe caps at city block level Toji solos the verse no diff
@@Jackson-l1f no he really doesn’t but alright
Did that drum demon really attack at the speed of sound? Didn’t tanjiro hear the drum beat before the attack ever came? Wasn’t that how he knew when to react? So the attack is obviously way slower
Quite just let them suck DS meat
Easily sos [speed of sound] is wayyy to high for the verse of demon slayer seeing how a inexperienced tanjiro can be "speed of sound" according to the video yet susamaru and yahaba almost killed him the speed is inconsistent along with that toji literally cut through a dragon and a teen gojo and geto no hate to the power scalers but demon slayer always looked a little slow until the final arc and yuki said toji was super human and in demon slayer gyomei reached peak human physique so it is safe to say super human scales above peak human as super human is above that of which a human could achieve along with that toji and maki have a number of over powered hax weapons and abilities like the split soul katana literally being able to do soul damage which no demon slayer charecter can do along with the chain of one thousand miles that can literally extend on for eternity and infinity in my opinion toji Is over kill for the verse
ds verse is easily realvistic
He doesn't need to hear the beat he was able to react to it coz he saw when the drum was going to be struck and reacted just before it hit him
@@reuben7562 could have sworn I remember a scene where they show tanjiro’s ear, the sound and then he dodges. Am I making that up? I feel like that was a pretty good indication of him dodging after it was struck
You did an awesome job with this video. Thanks for the content
I’m always excited when I open TH-cam and you have a new video. This one I had no excitement. “WHAT IF” “WHO WOULD WIN” hypothetical fights are never fair and nobody will agree to a scale and a base line. Hope it doesn’t become a too reoccurring. You are the man, keep it up!
That’s true because all shows have their own logic and physics. It’s hard enough to compare speeds within the same universe
Idk man you’re already wrong about the drum demons speed of attack those slashes literally appear after the sound of the drum which means they’re slower than sound and by watching the scene they’re much slower than sound. On top of that you did note how intelligent Maki and Toji are but you still underestimate it. There’s no way they would just Daki to hit them, they would maneuver and try to outsmart her and her brother. Also Toji and Maki’s reaction speeds have been shown to be better than their physical speeds as Maki was able to eventually dodge Naoya once she calmed down.
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What? Just because they appear after the sound, doesn’t mean is slower… it just means the attack initiates after the sound of the drum.
What? Just because they appear after the sound, doesn’t mean is slower… it just means the attack initiates after the sound of the drum.
A Toji/Maki vs Akaza or kokushibo fight would be insane
Toji and maki wold be speed blitzed, and with the healing that akaza and koku got, they win prity ez.
even if they didn't get speed blitz Akaza can adapt like crazy
They’ll get one shot instantly
Walk in the park for akaza and koku😂
I like listening to you talk about stuff but I can never get over the power scaling terms lol I love what you're doing in general though, thanks for what you do
Thats what you jjk fans do deny facts
PLEASE DO MORE OF THESE!!!! I think your the most sane power scaler I’ve ever seen 😂😂😂
Bruh, I started following about a month ago. And the lack of content over the last week made me realize...I love you never leave me again
This is genuinely a really interesting way of talking about two anime
Idc what anyone says pinning different universes against each other is beyond fun! Everyone is beyond passionate with their takes and I always learn so much when I jump into one of these!
Yeah same. I love it when people debate fights with different universes.
Watch jjk season 2 episode 16 and say he isn’t speed blitzing every single demon slayer character
I love how you can take a topic you dislike and still make a captivating video that was an incredible watch, keep it up, and hope to see more content on this channel (although preferably content that you like doing). Haven't seen a video I didn´t love yet.
ppl be underestimating the Upper moons. Before toxic jjk fans get on my tail, pls shut up and listen
advantages that upper moons have
1. unlimited stamina so getting tired rlly isnt an option for them
2. they are crazy fast. considering Daki(whos not even technically an upper moon) was able to keep up with zenitsu(faster than lightning by the way) and the upper moons in ascending order EASILY BEAT EACH OTHER IN SPEED. my conclusion is they are all massively hypersonic and can more or less keep up with the powerhouses of jjk in terms of speed.
3. they can spam their powers since limitless stamina means no overuse of powers and can keep fighting forever(domas demon art is ESPECIALLY lethal to humans while akazas blood demon art is like the perfect counter to yuji) NOTE: I KNOW WHAT SOME PPL WILL SAY AND THAT THE JJK SORCERERS ARE STILL HUMAN with increased physical specs and some hax
4. unless your weapon is solar-related or the SUN itself, they WILL NOT DIE. hell their regeneration is near instantaneous.
Your toxic glazing too lmao I’m not even a jjk fan it’s common knowledge to know how much better toji is than uppermoons
Mf said all demons are massively hypersonic😭🙏 only yoricchi and zenitsu are
@@Matti___O jjk glazers always riding do your research before complaining
@@RansomIsMid so u say ur not a jjk fan but thanks to common knowledge you think toji is just better even tho hes much slower than them? waste of breath sometimes
@@otitoekwueme4271 keep quiet now bum
I disagree.
Since Toji and Maki can literally sense even the density of air i think hed have every one of Muzan's brains sliced in one second.
They aren’t fast enough
I agree with the speed take. Demon Slayer is incredibly fast compared to jjk. At best you can scale reaction speed with Toji and Maki to be hypersonic, maybe. They still can't catch up to the higher moons to deal damage.
Haha Maki before her awakening catches a bullet fired from a gun, and after her awakening she dodges mid air curse Naoya who moves at speed of 3 Mach's ++
@@senjusan6359and yet DS carakters are faster, Hakari reakted to lightning but zenistu are faster than lightning and zenitsu is not as fast as a good amount of upper moons. Nomater what highballs you hive toji and maki they are not as fast as DS.
This video is filled with comments from people with JJK avatars. You can like a piece of media without needing it to be stronger than some other manga you know@@senjusan6359
@@virnimzenitsu has never been stated to reach lightning speeds. Tge breathing techniques r just that. Tho we can assume lightning breathing is rlly fast, its never confirmed actually lightning speed. A majority of tge hashira can be caught by sound based attacks despite dodging lightning, this proves that their reaction speed camn go up to faster tgan lightning, butbtheir movement speed doesn't match up quite as well. Ds characters arent that much faster than jjk characters
virnim u can't spell for shit lmao
The argument is, the drum demons attack wasnt traveling at speed of sound. Tanjiro can hear the sound of a drum first before it lands a slash, if it travels at the speed of sound, tanjiro would get slash the same time he hears the sound. The same case as tengen vs gyutaro, tengen was able to hear the vibration on the air first before gyutaro's attack meaning gyutaro's slashes wasnt traveling at the speed of sound, gyomei relays on his sense of hearing, if kokushibo could travel faster the speed of sound casually, he could neg diff gyomei. So by that logic most of the characters on demon slayer couldnt move at the speed of sound.
Fr that’s proof that the scaling is off because that would mean that if maki and Toji where inserted into they would scale very many times stronger than everyone due to breathing styles enhancing the user’s speed
@@player2605also inverted spear of heaven negating the demons regen and stoping their blood demon arts then soul splitting katana doing damage to the soul which no one in kny has defence against meaning demons would have to basically be fighting straight hands meanwhile toji has weaponds that do permanent soul damage and basically can one shot anyone without soul defence
the insane speed downplay bullshit you guys come up with always humors me, but pray do tell when did you get this
>Tanjiro can hear the sound of a drum first before it lands a slash
when was it ever stated and when was it ever a thing?
you just pulled it out of your ass, how he sensed it was never shown, what was shown/what we do know, is that the attacks are as fast as the sound of the drum beat,nothing more, nothing less
>The same case as tengen vs gyutaro, tengen was able to hear the vibration on the air first before gyutaro's attack meaning gyutaro's slashes wasnt traveling at the speed of sound
this never happened
>gyomei relays on his sense of hearing, if kokushibo could travel faster the speed of sound casually
and this is just a bs anime trope, the ammount of mental gymnastics you have to pull to even remotely make a case of demon slayer characters being slower than sound is stupid, BOS zenitsy using 6 fold thunder clap and flash created a sonic boom, kyogai has explict mach 1 attacks that you use your random bullshit to disprove wrong with a bunch of yes men pating your back because that's all they can do rengoku gaiden shows rengoku parrying bullets tanjiro dodges a sonic attack in season 3 seconds after he was injured numbed and on the vergse of losing consciousness muichiro slashed 10 thousand while mid air aka before he cae even starts to fall etc
you want to know what gyomei can "hear" as well?
how strong someone is and wether or not someone told truth or falsehood theur senses are literally magic, with your logic you might as well claim superman is slower than sound even whe he is having a conversation with the flash as they're running
fucking idiots
yea that's what im saying
For those who say that Toji wins against the Upper Moons, read this
Toji with the Spilt Soul Katana is OP as hell and yes no doubt if he has it, he will be able to cut through all of the Upper Moons however it won't be able kill them
The Split Soul Katana isn't made of crimson iron ore which is what Nichirin Weapons are made of and the ore absorbs sunlight which is why it can kill demons. Even if Toji gets a Nichirin Sword with the design of the Split Soul Katana it won't be imbued with the cursed technique that allows it to ignore all forms of durability since the demon Slayer world doesn't have cursed energy or cursed techniques
Same with the Inverted Spear of Heaven; key note it nullifies CURSED TECHNIQUES, and Demons don't use cursed techniques they use Blood Demon Arts which are essentially blood magic and are used by the users blood. Demons don't imbue their techniques with cursed energy, everything from Domas ice, Kaigakus lightning, Nezukos flames and Kokushibos crescent shaped moon blades are made from their blood and flesh
The Upper Moons are also much faster than lightning reaching above mach 364 while Toji's speed is hypersonic which is Mach 5 so that's a MASSIVE difference in terms of speed. And the Upper Moon's strength is beyond Toji's Heavenly Restriction, Akaza is capable of creating craters with a single strike and sending the Water Hashira flying with a single strike causing massive damage to the rooms. Akaza was able to easily decapitate Doma's head with a swing and Doma possesses durability so powerful that even when poisoned by Shinobi while he entire body was melting, it still wouldn't be cut. Kokushibo Upper Moon one was able to sneak up on Akaza and slash his hand off in mere seconds despite being far away from him and Akaza didn't even notice Kokushibo standing near him until he spoke.
On top of that the Upper Moons are able to regenerate endlessly without the consumption of stamina while Toji or Maki can't even use the reverse curse technique
And why wold he have the soul spliter, he is in the demon slayer vers and he stated that in the vid that toji wold have s normal sword and shotgun if he wanted one.
@@virnim Just in case if he was brought there with his inventory curse. I'm pretty sure if he was in Demon Slayer he would like to have an arsenal of weapons and he would most likely keep them in his inventory curse
@darksoul7548 still would do nothing though since as explained no one in DS has cursed engery but even they did him and his weapons still would do nothing as they would just very quickly regenerate even if landed. Due to the fact DS don't have cursed energy therefore no cursed techniques, the inverted spear of heaven would be completely useless because there's nothing to cancel out. His other weapons would be absolutely useless against the upper moons because they and himself are no match for the speed they have. Even if tojo were to be same level speed, the weapons would be useless cuz they would regenerate
@@Cosmic_Uranus Exactly
Nah but the whole point of mentioning the soul splitter is we dont know if they would be able to heal from soul damage.@@Cosmic_Uranus
Everyone Gangsta untill toji says "Toji Fushigiro" in a chill voice
The strongest demon slayer of the current generation is depicted as being strong for being able to push a massive bolder Toji is fucking kicking cars down the street moving faster than the six eye can keep up with and is smart as fuck I dont see why we cant make the comparison.
So, not a Toji stan, but no one in the DS universe stands up to Toji. The demons are dying to regular dudes with swords and Toji is the human body perfected, because that’s what he gets for having no cursed energy.
It is what it is
ngl i think the top 4 (Yorouichi, Muzan, kokoshibu and Doma) would give Toji quite a fight
Unless its a slice of life or somebody is directly stated to be on par with a avarage human, nobody in any anime ever is just "regular dudes". Gon (12 years old) from HxH without nen is able to casually fight monsters and break other Hunters arms by simply squazing them. The slayer are far from normal humans.
The demon slayers are far from regular lol, you clearly don’t know shit about the DS verse
@@matijasostojic4288literally stated humans from the demon Slayer universe are regular with blades
Toji is certainly faster than many people think, he speed blitzed everyone he faced with the exception of awakend gojo, and in that fight he was double nerfed. We have never seen toji actually pump out his max speed
Plus the Toji we saw was rusty. Prime toji was probably even faster
But like he said people in the JJK verse are not that fast.
They are massively slower than demon slayer characters.
no offense but i dont think you understand power scalling way too well.
1. Rui is stated to be as strong as lm1 in databook ( he didn't care about ranking ) .
2. Maki was able to attack a stationary naoyo and naoya actually has to accelerate and just doesn't instantly moves at mach 3 .
3. Daki destroyed an entire city block just after getting her full power .
4. Gyutaro didn't destroy some buildings but rather he destroyed the entire town which shown in the next episode .
5. When did gojo tank explosion ?
6. If a character uses sharp objects then their attack potency is somewhat ignored as sharp objects concentrate all energy in a small point .
I've read people that as as Toji was able to react to red/blue, which are light speed attacks, he has LIGHT SPEED REACTION TIME, totally ignoring the fact that Gojo has to point at you and collect his CE BEFORE throwing the attack, that's crazy. If we follow that logic then that man that could multiply himself and had a bag in his head has also light speed reaction time, as we saw how he was covering himself before teen Gojo was about to blast him with a red, but failed, like wtf
PD: And it's not a few rtard people, it's almost a generally accepted fact, smh
17:14 hypersonic means 5 times the speed of sound, anime community doesnt know how to scale. Learn some physics, open books.
its a shame you dont wanna do more videos like this. Id love to hear your style of in depth analysis on other cross-universe battles
Shut up cross universe battles are stupid
I think the mach 500 thing about zenitsu is kinda inconsistent cause if bro was that fast or anywhere near that fast he would be able to travel japan i just a couple of minutes or in an instant.
i think its more or else attack speed than travel speed, then again i dont really know much about powerscaling and all that
He’s not even close to Mach 500 if he talking about travel speed attack speed with a sword swing who knows
thats true for alot of characters like if someone like goku has infinite speed how does he even fight at that speed in a tiny ass arena against JIREN. Like would one misstep send him across the entire universe
That logic can be applied to hundreds of anime characters so you cant use it to downplay ds lol
@@alpha.4723 true. luffy is apperantly faster than lightspeed so the dude wont even need a fuckin boat he could find the one peice in a minute or two.
Toji is a force of nature in human form and practically a demi god hes clapping everithing in the demon slayer verse . if hes ever allowed into that universe hes going on a killing spree .
Nahh the glazing on the upper moons is crazy 😂
cry toji meatrider
From being into both these anime’s I think personally Toji could easily handle everyone up to the top 4 just because of regeneration factors maki as much as I love her I can see her hanging with the first few five but I’d put her around the main characters level in the actual show just because of her regeneration abilities are superhuman abilities one think I’ll say is Maki is going to ended up stronger then toji if gege doesn’t kill her off so we just gotta wait and see he writes female characters pretty well besides the fact he likes killing everyone so I’d say this comparison would need more research into all combatants
Nah they both stop at 5 they have no way to stop of get out of its pots plus it’s fish are pretty problematic edit: upper moon 5 not lower moon 5 but they all get neged by kagura bachi
@@Whydidtheymakehandlesif toji has inverted spear of heaven and soul splitting katana he could for sure at least beat up to akaza
nuh uh big bro they stop at daki dead as s
@@Whydidtheymakehandles That wall victim? and his name is Chihiro not "Kagura Bachi"
Yall forgetting tojis soul splitting sword that attacks the soul and ignores the hardness of all things. Gyokko ain't fast enough to catch toji
I personally think you've missed on this one. Even with just a normal katana Toji just outscales them in speed because is maki can keep up with sukuna which scales in speed next to kashimo which can send lightning and electromagnetic waves, then Toji just speed blitzes all of them.
Maki kept up with a 15 finger sukuna briefly who was having his curse energy output restricted by 90%. Maki doesn't scale to current sukuna that is why she was not in the battle alongside gojo who said not to enter unless Sukuna became weaker than them 🫠
Btw Maki was then outsped by uraume who is around Hakari's speed who can very rarely move ever so slightly before inevitably being hit by base Kashimo lmao
Think about it like this: all the upper moons had to be defeated by human characters that are around the same league as Toji and Maki. Even the top three had to be killed off basically on their own accord. Cause all the damage they had gotten was being regenerated and they were close to evolving beyond their original levels. Even Muzan spent 2 hours fighting off people of Maki and Toji levels and only lost because two characters made very specific drugs to counter his abilities. Even if he wasn’t weakened like that, both him and Kokushibo have fought and survived against Yoriichi. Toji won his first match against Gojo because he came up with a very elaborated plan to tire him out and he had specific tools that countered his abilities. Maki went toe to toe with Sukuna with Megumi’s body because Megumi was holding him back enough so that he couldn’t use his cursed technique. That’s not taking in to account of Akaza and his ability to see a fighter’s movements and predict them or how Doma can just freeze the entire battle field in a matter of seconds or even make a clone of himself that is just as strong as he is.
Alright but the Soul Splitting katana negates regen...
@@crackers5422also the inverted spear of heaven negates their abilities...
@@criptamintlance103they don't have cursed energy
And, Let's say it negates, they won't get tired
@@crackers5422negates regen with rct
But their regeneration is biologic
Like muzan can make new appendages
Or grow skin to protect him from the sun
@@crackers5422No only red blade does dont create your own plot
toji:"I got the power, I got the speed, WHO'S GONNA STOP ME!"
average toji quote that doesnt get said by toji
What I have gathered from this is there is no way you read the manga
I'm quite literally the heaviest jjk fan there is. AND YA'LL OVERESTIMATE jjk like we know Toji is really fast, but upper ranks are fast af too. Kokushibo was so fast it barely looked like he moved an inch during the meeting. And we know Kokushibo is extremely skilled, and wasn't even giving it his all during the fight with the strongest hashiras. Not even the disaster curses would be able to defeat Kokushibo, and that's a straight up fact.
THANK YOU TO THIS VIDEO, IVE BEEN ARGUING WITH JJK FANS FOR SO LONG ABOUT HOW TOJI GETS DONUTTED BY UPPERMOONS😭😭🙏🏾
Toji is actually Massively Hypersonic+ since he scales way past hakari who has a feat of Mach 4760.05830904 in his fight with kashimo, the mach 3 feat with maki was added because the word "mach" sounds cool. Sukuna also dodges a point blank light speed attack from kashimo. Although sukuna is faster than toji, toji would scale somewhere between Mach 4760- light speed
fax, brotha. Keep spittin
@@Axerty403 Black flash does not chose who to bless. Cursed energy is sometimes a struggle to control and no one has mastered it, even Sukuna. Even Gojo couldn't perform one every hit, nor can Yuji who used it the most.
toji aint near light speed nor is he above mach 100K. Upper moons and muzan idk exactly what mach they are but if this is true then im assuming they would be at upper moon 1 to maybe weakend muzan level. HOWEVER, prime muzan is wayyy too fast for toji, and dont even get me started on yorrichi i did a quick google search and it says yorrichi is mach 300,000+. So assuming kinetic energy works i dont think it would be too hard for yorrichi to turn toji into sashimi
Umm excuse me but maki got blitzed by a Mach 4 fodder
@@spaghettimaghetti5042 exactly
Bro im a heavy demon slayer fan and even i know it’d be a slaughter for anyone whos in tojis presence
If you were a heavy demon slayer fan then you'd know Toji can't touch the verse for crap.
Have you seen what this man does?? He violated gojo, geto, dagon, bro even his own son so whats stopping him from slaughtering the upper moons?
@EliasCruz-wl1qz He beat a worn-out Gojo due to having prior info and the right cursed weapons/tools. Toji pulled a "Batman with prep" move, so it's not too impressive.
Secondly I don't think I'm that far in the manga yet where Geto and Toji fight. So I'm not speaking on that part.
Thirdly and lastly,Dagon isn't anything special. He,Jogo and Hanami are all around the same level and Jogo got bodied by a 15 finger sukuna who was toying and only displaying large building levels of power. AT BEST city block so UM's are still easily on Dagons level in terms of AP and Dura. Toji isn't at that level at least in the part of the manga that I'm in.
Even if he was,Toji's speed is far too slow to compete against Upper moons.
Yea sure but he still violated dagon in HIS domain which should have a boost on his power even if the sure hit effect was disabled and the upper moons dont even have domains or any great feats like compared to toji and other jjk characters
@EliasCruz-wl1qz the uppermoons have little feats because they held back even when things got a bit more serious.
The feats we do see,easily put Uppermoons superior to Dagon.
Keep up the awesome work and videos Nick love the video
Toji soloes the verse 🙏
get of your knees
i think the sound from the drum first tanjiro bearly dodges it and it takes time for it to get there he isnt fighting right beside him
so tanjiro is slower then actually mach 1 by that fight
he isnt shown to be vastly faster and most of his power increase is in power and not speed he does get faster but by an unknown amount as characters later in the series gets tagged by bullets
bullets are not like mach 50
when muzan split to escape yorrichi (i believe it was 3000 pieces) yorrichi cut about 1500 while yes it cought him by suprice so lets say he could cut all 3000 if he could and lets say it was in 1 second
that would be about 3000/sec if the avrage distance per cut was 10m that would be 30 000m/s(meters per second) speed of sound is 343 m/s mach 1 is just the speed of sound that would make yorrichi less then mach 90 (87,46) that would make him High Hypersonic+
and none of the upper moons would be faster then this
the 10k fish projectiles first not all would hit 2nd would not need to move and 3rd could block multiple this would not be faster then the previous one which i gave leeway so again this would be slower then the last one
the lightning well i dont know could be not real lightning or it could be even if it is lightning speed vary alot
one number i saw would be around mach 350 but the lightning moves way faster than the characters speed
also this lightning seems to move a bit slow compared to the sound attack i guess the higher scale would be around mach 500 for demon slayer lower scales would be lower then the mach 90 i wrote being a few times faster then bullets so lets say around mach 10
also i dont really care for any of them i just disagree with the speed given in it
Bro thank you, I was like this man ain't making no sense
>he isnt shown to be vastly faster and most of his power increase is in power and not speed he does get faster but by an unknown amount as characters later in the series gets tagged by bullets
bullets are not like mach 50
the gun was made out of nichirin metal and blew a demon'e neck off, a neck that even boulder splitting blades would soonder shatter than even scratch the paint off of, the speed at which they shoot the bullets is largely unkown
>when muzan split to escape yorrichi (i believe it was 3000 pieces) yorrichi cut about 1500 while yes it cought him by suprice so lets say he could cut all 3000 if he could and lets say it was in 1 second
that would be about 3000/sec if the avrage distance per cut was 10m that would be 30 000m/s(meters per second) speed of sound is 343 m/s mach 1 is just the speed of sound that would make yorrichi less then mach 90 (87,46) that would make him High Hypersonic+
and none of the upper moons would be faster then this
@@saifsaif8352 no you really didnt say anything that would prove he is faster
what i ment by 10 m is the avrage travle distance and most of those chunks would be lower than 2m apart from one another so i knowingly overestimated it but not just in that part the part of him if he wasnt suprised could cut all 3000 pieces is also kinda rediculous and also upscales it
if i where to make it more accurate i would have to slow this down by several times to what he actually did
but you want to know what even if take my numbers which is already an overestimation and add the in a millisec which there is nothing to show
he still wouldnt be faster
@@L_______ everyone in this comment section should really work on their reading comprehension skills
>no you really didnt say anything that would prove he is faster
*besides the fucking vastly shorter* *timeframe you mean?*
your entire calc and it's premises are bullshir to begin with, those were omndirectional peices of flesh constantly moving from yoriichi at an unkown speed that's greater than mach 1 be several orders of magnitudes to an unknown degree, the very idea of calcing this feat as a "ceiling" is brain dead, because there is no way to accurately quanitfy it
so
>what i ment by 10 m is the avrage travle distance and most of those chunks would be lower than 2m
where and how the fuck did you get this?
i know this is unsubstantied bullshit but pray do tell care to explain how and why this "overestimation" is accurate?
>cut all 3000 pieces is also kinda rediculous and also upscales it
there were 1800 peices, and he could have slashed them all, the 300 that escapedwere just too small
>if i where to make it more accurate i would have to slow this down by several times to what he actually did
..slow what down?
>but you want to know what even if take my numbers which is already an overestimation and add the in a millisec which there is nothing to show
he still wouldnt be faster
............
...if all that happened in a millisecond, the speed would have been 10% the speed od light, it's the time frame in which the feat happens that dertermine the feat, saod time frame varries with speed of the flesh projectiles that we have no idea how fast tthey are, and in your stupid calc not only did you assume a stupid time frame you pulled multiple unsubstantiated assumptions and presented them as evidence of something you had no idea about
it's honestly amazing
I the issue when a lot of people scaling jjk is they take the statement and don’t look at actual feats.
Mach 3 Naoya was with just his boosters no projection sorcery and even at that speed kamo was able to block and fight him someone’s who’s only grade one and way weaker than the likes of toji or full power maki. At full power she was able to fodderize naoya who was now using PS to amplify his speed.
In shibuya yuji dodged piercing blood which was said to “exceed the speed of sound” a feat already calced at over Mach 3 and 15f sukuna dodged on top of meteor enhanced by special grade level cursed energy at the last second with EASE and was able to blink across the entire city in an instant to save shigemo and megumi
In the culling games yuji and crew easily dodged machine gun fire (hypersonic feat by people far weaker than maki) hakari was able to eject the lightning from his nose the moment it hit him to prevent his death a feat that definitely took atleast lightning level reaction time. These are all feats from characters relative to them. There are even pre shibuya maki feats that would place her in hypersonic+ so the Mach 3 statement for full power toji is null
Nicks the type of guy to say “he’s right behind me isn’t he”
Damn I have never seen so many comments poliety inform someone on misinformation how refreshing
i think comparing verses without equlizing them is just plain stupid. if make make power systems sort of equal doesnt that mean that Toji could pick up breathing techniques really damn fast considering physical abilties of that man. i mean maki is able to use any weapon perfectly almost instantly, what makes you think that she cant pick up physical techniques like breathing right after seeing them, and well if maki can do it mean Toji can probably too
Of course toji is extremely smart too
I think Toji would crush ds universe
Toji dogged gojos blue and blocked his red , death battle just did an analysis on how much power and fast those are , toji would solo the demon slayer verse , maki moved at the speed of sound to fight Naoya , yoriichi had Muzan scared in his boots as a regular human , maki and Toji are well beyond that of a regular human they would body the whole verse like I said
She didn’t move at the speed of sound, she was able to perceive him so she was able to get out of the way
naoya moved at the speed of sound regardless of which way you want to put it to dodge that she had to have the brain power to precieve it and the ability to dodge you can know somethings comming and still not be able to get out of the way, and my point still stands about toji , ive read both mangas and completed ds im telling you jjk verse bodys ds @@onlychasegreen8478
good sir yorrichi isnt a normal human. He is a mach 300,00+ monster. plus we already have proven the weaker stage of tanjiro "tanjiro vs kyogai" is already mach 1. And the difference between an ex kisuki, ngl an ex lower moon 6 which is the weakest kizuki is around mach 1, then the upper moons are on a whole nother level
That's such a random pair bro
The toji moves so fast and he teleports those demons head would be rolling on the floor before they knew what happened people be over hyping demon slayer characters
The speed of sound is supersonic not hypersonic… just wanted to point that out
Super sonic refers to the medium between or the cap of the speed of sound, hyper sonic refers to what is above the speed of sound and tanjiro is able to react to lightning which is easily faster then sound
Just wanted to point that out
Jjk and ds are in the same universe i have a theory
okay cook
He did not cook at all
I definitely think the bottom 3 Upper Moons would lose to Toji and Maki as their abilities would far outway the demon's speed. Toji would likely stop at Hantengu or Kaigaku depending on how you scale them. Personally I scale the important moons as
Rui, Ubume, Enmu, Daki, Daki & Gyutaro, Gyokko, Nakime, Kaigaku, Hantengu/or/Gyutaro, Akaza, Douma, Kokoushibo, Muzan
This is just objectively false, maybe they’d be able to do a good job against them but they wouldn’t win
@boogus1670 maybe subjectively but Gojo is large mountain level, which is basically confirmed that this is where he goes in recent chapters, Toji nearly killed a young Gojo who may have been far weaker but Toji is still killing characters who'd rival the Supreme grades like Mahoraga. Toji easily mountain level and has soul cutting which basically is a one shot to any demon in any body part, now if this was pure power this wouldn't be enough but because of how characters act aswell its an extreme difficulty fight in each
@@justadel2 gojo is objectively also exempt from comparison, literally nothing can touch him lol
@boogus1670 unless you overpower it or deplete his stamin
@@justadel2 maybe muzan could beat him
Final form by just running but probly not
Maki caught a bullet at point blank range. Doesn't that mean she is faster than the drum demon before she got toji level
MUCH faster. Plus Genya's bullets/pellets travel at a high-ball of 1/2 the speed of modern weapons but ig his attacks don't count or something
He still isnt faster than demon slayer scaling.
Also one thing he miss is tanjiro was reacting to which drum the demon is going to use and what slash will come at him 😂
Also powerscaling videos are pretty whack ngl especially when it comes to crossverse fights
@@nathanking2098 exactly
@@virnim the only real speed feat we can bring up is a character (the fastest character in the verse zenestsu) going at lightening speed. Toji vision blitzed gojo. A man who can process information so fast he requires an eye mask not to have a constant migraine due to over stimulation. I don't wanna pull a power scale cheese here but if Gojo's reaction time is is the strongest in his verse and toji can just appear behind him. I think he can keep up with the people who are clearly slower than the sleepy yellow boy.
I normally don’t like this type of content but you did it super well and wouldn’t mind seeing it again. You clearly did a ton of research
He definitely will not do this again or at least any time soon, just read the comments of all the JJK simps crying because he doesn’t agree that their characters solo a whole different verse. I know dislikes aren’t visible but i can bet this one has a lot
@@alvaroquintero620cause he calculation are weird af
If you able to hear the attack before it coming then it slower than speed of sound like drum demon claw
Especially when the sound travel through air not solid object that mean the attack is even slower
And when gyomei able to react upper moon attack by using ear is already proof that all demon in demon slayer are move slower than speed of sound when even blind dude able to react to ur attack through sound
Clear and concise. If they hate it's because they have nothing better to do...
...SMH...I see the fodder have shown up and are trying to explain how Toji can do anything in any universe...LMMFAO...
@@kevindeas7106I came here to agree-
Toji obliterate evryone in ds
Hell no
@@_A88_hell yes
Toji easily defeats the 12 moons, you can even throw in the entire demon slayer corps and Muzan and I'd still give it to Toji
he's got a sword that can slice souls, a sword that turns off any cursed technique (probably would work on demon arts), a chain with infinite range, he's an assassin that specializes in sneak attacks, is way faster than any DS character, has enough durability to tank anything any of the 12 moons could throw and has a 6th sense that works like observation haki
He is not faster though, agree with everything else
@@lleonidasion well you're free to disagree, but I've always felt like mach 1/2 are the peak of speed in DS
@@EvillAnimeHere are a few things that you are missing and are wrong in this statement
Toji with the Spilt Soul Katana is OP as hell and yes no doubt if he has it, he will be able to cut through all of the Upper Moons however it won't be able kill them
The Split Soul Katana isn't made of crimson iron ore which is what Nichirin Weapons are made of and the ore absorbs sunlight which is why it can kill demons. Even if Toji gets a Nichirin Sword with the design of the Split Soul Katana it won't be imbued with the cursed technique that allows it to ignore all forms of durability since the demon Slayer world doesn't have cursed energy or cursed techniques
Same with the Inverted Spear of Heaven; key note it nullifies CURSED TECHNIQUES, and Demons don't use cursed techniques they use Blood Demon Arts which are essentially blood magic and are used by the users blood. Demons don't imbue their techniques with cursed energy, everything from Domas ice, Kaigakus lightning, Nezukos flames and Kokushibos crescent shaped moon blades are made from their blood and flesh
The Upper Moons are also much faster than lightning reaching above mach 364 while Toji's speed is hypersonic which is Mach 5 so that's a MASSIVE difference in terms of speed. And the Upper Moon's strength is beyond Toji's Heavenly Restriction, Akaza is capable of creating craters with a single strike and sending the Water Hashira flying with a single strike causing massive damage to the rooms. Akaza was able to easily decapitate Doma's head with a swing and Doma possesses durability so powerful that even when poisoned by Shinobi while he entire body was melting, it still wouldn't be cut. Kokushibo Upper Moon one was able to sneak up on Akaza and slash his hand off in mere seconds despite being far away from him and Akaza didn't even notice Kokushibo standing near him until he spoke.
On top of that the Upper Moons are able to regenerate endlessly without the consumption of stamina while Toji or Maki can't even use the reverse curse technique
he massivly low balled toji speed early maki was able to catch a bullet at point blank that would be around mach 27
@@darksoul7548 soul split works on ppl with out cursed energy too it was never said that it doesn't
also early maki caught a bullet at point blank that is ezly mach 20+
also u have done inverse scaling for ap which is irrevelent
Toji slams them,muzan,and the verse😭😭😭
how ?
Bros shit crying as hell 🤣
I mean for a human to go invisible with just pure speed, they need to move at 17500 mps or 38k mph Gojo has the six eyes which also give him enhanced senses and Toji was able to out paste Gojo. Lets say Geto has senses about 2 or 3 times better than an average human. 38k x 2 = 76k mph = mach 100. Gojo has better senses than geto so lets just double it again. 152k mph which is mach 200
It’s very entertaining reading 90% of comments from people who clearly did not actually watch the video 😂🤦🏾♂️
cuz he is very wrong lmfao
Toji literally wipes every uppermoon. 🗿
Toji melts the whole KNY verse neg diff💀💀
Yorrichi destroys toji neg diff
ngl this video is a whole ass pull, toji's and maki's best feats are. keeping up with something mach 3, being strong enough to one shot everyone they come in contact with on the first encounter and having deadpool regen. in demon slayer nothing goes mach 1 or even have a demon art that would mess with him other than akaza but other than that. toji literally i built kill everything from pure strength and speed alone and not even talking about the soul split katana because that's straight unfair, it would affectively cause the demon to not be able to heal properly if at all. and if you gave him genya's kithe will have it done at the same speed as yorichii because hes literally probably as strong and fast but by far more durable due to maki healing organ damage in seconds wolverine style. and demons can onky be killed by the sun and anything that would naturally kill them. like for instance the moment he learns that the sun hurts them. hes gonna literally out iq everyone because he almost knew about the full capabilities of limitless dispite NOT being a sorcerer. he will body at least upper 4, 5 and 6 and probably get close with akaza due to compass needle but he'd probably shoot at him tbh and be like why can't he block these bullets but can block these hands until he figures it out unless toji is confident from the get go then he just won't be sensed since stealth counters akaza. then he bodies doma from his cocky ass behavior then he has a real duel with kokoshibo then bodies muzan like yorichii.
its fine to think that he stands no chance if he fights with no breathes, but im pretty sure his raw speed and strength could blitz most of the verse without a breathing style. plus demons heal slower than toji, like not by much but enough to make it obvious. like he aint regenerating a limb or some shit like that but he would be able to regen a new organ, survive being regoku'd and he'd able able to respond fast enough to protect his shit.
Especially the inverted spear of heaven cause it just would stop all blood demon arts and halt their regen to 0 also hakari dodged lighting POINT BLANK so sense makis scales close to hakari if not better maki easily is faster then lighting there for toji is faster then lighting so toji negs all including muzan
@@criptamintlance103 bro can kill all the upper moon's with his bare hands, especially since they scale to sorcerers of similar class just all in every other sense then ce which carries over and even if maki catching a bullet isn't cannon it happened when she was weak. and toji is easily super sonic and to catch noaya off guard and people under estimate the regen on heavenly restriction as well. their body heals slow but it ramps not better than reverse ct but as long as their limbs are intact he should be able to tank mostly anything as long as it doesn't severe anything plus they have stupidly high perception. where they can see stuff their not supposed to. plus steal bones affectively, so there more alot durable alot faster and tons times stronger then tanjiro and yurichii. and even without the ftl feats they have, at least the speed of sound which nothing in the verse goes faster than sound. kiogai isn't hyper sonic it happens AFTER the drum is struck along with the rooms spin and room shift. but either way toji and maki are at least mach 3 at MINIMUM and thats as direct as it is. hes gonna go faster then every demon art in the verse. and the only one that will be annoy is akaza but this man might just punch through akaza and if he has the durability ignoring katana the verse is FUCKED plus he has a gun
pretty sure toji and beat the verse with playful cloud due to its broken ass ability
(yorrichi casually being mach 300,000+. Tanjiro casually dodging mach 1 attacks. Zenitsu casually dodging lightning from kaigaku with ease)
Lmao, Halfway through the video and he finally touches on demonslayer lol. I actually appreciate how thorough your explanations are.
all the comments saying 'wrong' and not providing any proof as to why your take is wrong...is hilarious LMAOOO
blud is kinda glazing
Demon slayer and JJK scale pretty close to each other honestly
But yorrichi fodderizes most sorcerers besides sukuna, kenny, and gojo.
Kokushiho dodged bullets and yorrichi perception blitzed him (one of 4 people to ever unlock the STW). Yorrichi also sliced 1600+ chunks of flesh from an imploding muzan in under the fraction of a second it took for muzan to blow himself up. His speed is genuinely mind boggling.
Yoriichi kills everyone in the verse who isn't Gojo and Sukuna tbh, he's too fast for the verse, it's just the hax and power at the top that he can't deal with
@@unendingvoid yeah, I think people forget yorrichi manages to cut muzan 1600 times in about .2 seconds when muzan self destructed to escape. He easily out scales the verse
Toji solos stay mad. How bout you keep breathing that glazing style on demons slayer.
Stops at nakime stay mad🥱. Zip it up when ur done.
Toji killed teenage GOJO. I think gojos death made this guy go crazy...
I refuse to believe this lol. some loser said Toji would beat Hisoka. HISOKA. Just bc he killed Gojo, like bro that Gojo was so much weaker than Gojo now.