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I could see the soldering assistant being useful for training someone new, who has never soldered anything in their life. I don't see much value in it for someone who is already experienced with making joints, but I can see it being quite valuable to assess someone still in training. The assistant itself seems very limited in what it can actually tell you about solder joint quality, since it is determined by setting a reference thermal profile, which will ultimately differ from workpiece to workpiece. A heavy ground pad for example would of course have a very different looking graph than a NC pad. However, your demonstration on the test board at 16:00 is a perfect scenario for how I believe the assistant would best be used. The benefit of this scenario is someone who's completely new to soldering can not only visually see what makes a _good_ joint, they can see the thermal profile of what _makes_ it good, too. I see many technical issues with people who are new to soldering, but the most significant one is they struggle to understand how to give the work enough heat. Whether it's using an inadequate tip, a lack of thermal linkage, or straight up using the iron incorrectly. Many people are also entirely unaware that tip temperature is just one piece of the puzzle, and that even if their iron is set to 360C, they often fail to understand that the work they're putting heat into will drop that temperature. The graph presented on the JBC does a really good job of showing you exactly _how_ the iron is working, and what it does when it touches a thermal load. I could see a system like this being very beneficial for training purposes, because they can get feedback on whether or not their work is truly close to the reference, and also show them how the iron itself performs when touching different kinds of thermal masses. The Metcal CV seems to be much better in this regard, since it's not strictly determined by setting references. However, the CV system requires a computer, right? I can see this being an issue, at least for training purposes. The JBC is more elegant in this regard, because the feedback is right there on the station, nothing else needed.
So you basically paying for the brand and technology as there’s nothing going on inside, Metcal stations there’s alot going on inside, and for metcal you pay for the technology but also everything going on inside
Damn, talk about a price increase, seeing what they cost now, at least in the EU. Would the T210 handle work on this unit, since JBC seems to sell this model with the T210 handle, or does it have a different firmware?
Hi Steve, It's a bit disappointing that it's taken so long to come to market even though you've had that for quite a while. I find the Metcal system of checking whether or not you have a good solder joint is far superior to that of JBC's. They do seem to have the More aesthetically pleasing base. as the Metcal Is more like a brick. A highly intelligent brick. but brick looking non the less. Both stations have their positives and negatives, but it has been Interesting looking at them. Thanks for sharing.
Hey Steve, can you make a video trying the JBC nano tweezers on different stations? I'd like to know if it works on some stations like the T420D etc...
Hey Steve, do you remember how much you paid for this station? I had bought it a couple of years ago for around 400 euros plus VAT, but since then, its price has increased by a lot. As a matter of fact, i think that all JBC products have seen a steep increase in price, making them much less appealing to me.
I had it returned after 2 days it's not good at all if the battery is hot it will charge very slow so you have to wait 30min to solder again. I tried liking it the iron feels good in the hand but unfortunately it's not good enough. The LCD is like the cheapest tablet on the market it has a plastic screen, slow response and bad resolution
Yeah, it looks like the cheap chrome plated plastic. The Metcal is at the other extreme. I thought it was plastic, but it's actually a cast aluminum housing.
PCBWay 3D Printing and Fabrication: www.pcbway.com/rapid-prototyping/
JBC CDE-B Solder Station: kaisertech.co.uk/jbc-cdeb-premium-soldering-station
Metcal CV store.metcal.com/en-uk/shop/soldering-desoldering/soldering-desoldering-systems/cv-series/
Picoscope 5000 Series: www.picotech.com/oscilloscope/5000/flexible-resolution-oscilloscope
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I could see the soldering assistant being useful for training someone new, who has never soldered anything in their life. I don't see much value in it for someone who is already experienced with making joints, but I can see it being quite valuable to assess someone still in training.
The assistant itself seems very limited in what it can actually tell you about solder joint quality, since it is determined by setting a reference thermal profile, which will ultimately differ from workpiece to workpiece. A heavy ground pad for example would of course have a very different looking graph than a NC pad.
However, your demonstration on the test board at 16:00 is a perfect scenario for how I believe the assistant would best be used. The benefit of this scenario is someone who's completely new to soldering can not only visually see what makes a _good_ joint, they can see the thermal profile of what _makes_ it good, too.
I see many technical issues with people who are new to soldering, but the most significant one is they struggle to understand how to give the work enough heat. Whether it's using an inadequate tip, a lack of thermal linkage, or straight up using the iron incorrectly. Many people are also entirely unaware that tip temperature is just one piece of the puzzle, and that even if their iron is set to 360C, they often fail to understand that the work they're putting heat into will drop that temperature.
The graph presented on the JBC does a really good job of showing you exactly _how_ the iron is working, and what it does when it touches a thermal load. I could see a system like this being very beneficial for training purposes, because they can get feedback on whether or not their work is truly close to the reference, and also show them how the iron itself performs when touching different kinds of thermal masses.
The Metcal CV seems to be much better in this regard, since it's not strictly determined by setting references. However, the CV system requires a computer, right? I can see this being an issue, at least for training purposes. The JBC is more elegant in this regard, because the feedback is right there on the station, nothing else needed.
JBC is awesome, top notch with unfortunately always the exception of their software...
Seems they’re always counting on the pc software as these things would be connected over Ethernet to hundreds of units.
I used the JBC station at work, really like them.
So you basically paying for the brand and technology as there’s nothing going on inside, Metcal stations there’s alot going on inside, and for metcal you pay for the technology but also everything going on inside
I had mine DOA, it was boot-looping the whole time. Got a it replaced, no questions asked, that one was fine.
Damn, talk about a price increase, seeing what they cost now, at least in the EU. Would the T210 handle work on this unit, since JBC seems to sell this model with the T210 handle, or does it have a different firmware?
Hi Steve, It's a bit disappointing that it's taken so long to come to market even though you've had that for quite a while. I find the Metcal system of checking whether or not you have a good solder joint is far superior to that of JBC's. They do seem to have the More aesthetically pleasing base. as the Metcal Is more like a brick. A highly intelligent brick. but brick looking non the less. Both stations have their positives and negatives, but it has been Interesting looking at them. Thanks for sharing.
Hey @brianwood5220 which Metcal soldering station would you recommend under $400?
Hey Steve, can you make a video trying the JBC nano tweezers on different stations? I'd like to know if it works on some stations like the T420D etc...
metcal all day long
The audio level was fine (normal) for me...
Does setting/changing tip type affect temperature calibration?
Hey Steve, do you remember how much you paid for this station? I had bought it a couple of years ago for around 400 euros plus VAT, but since then, its price has increased by a lot. As a matter of fact, i think that all JBC products have seen a steep increase in price, making them much less appealing to me.
Looks like it was on for around £450 plus vat at the time
After getting one at work, i got one for myself. Couldn't stand the "old" tip style ones any more.
Do you have plans to check out the JBC wireless "B-iRON 210"?
No, I tried it at an electronics conference, but it didn't really make much sense as a product.
I had it returned after 2 days it's not good at all if the battery is hot it will charge very slow so you have to wait 30min to solder again. I tried liking it the iron feels good in the hand but unfortunately it's not good enough. The LCD is like the cheapest tablet on the market it has a plastic screen, slow response and bad resolution
@@MrKevin920 oof that sounds really bad. maybe they should've used supercaps and an integrated screen.
@supernumex yea maybe. I think it's a good idea for the future though I'm sure it's going that way
The audio level is really low.
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Looks kind of cheap, not like a high end product.
Yeah, it looks like the cheap chrome plated plastic. The Metcal is at the other extreme. I thought it was plastic, but it's actually a cast aluminum housing.