What if the USSR Defended Czechoslovakia in 1938?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- Historically Czechoslovakia was famously partitioned in 1938, where they lost the Sudetenland to Germany in the Munich conference. I want to raise a question regarding what if the Soviet Union decided to help the seemingly lonely Czechoslovakia against the German aggressor.
This was possible, as the two countries had good relations, as seen on the 16th of May 1935, when the Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance was signed between the two governments. Allegedly, Stalin pledged to help Czechoslovakia in the event of an attack by Germany or Poland, but only if France decides to help first.
You will soon find out how the Soviet Union supporting Czechoslovakia would affect German morale and what effect it would have on events in Europe. Let me show you what I came up with.
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I love your content❤❤❤❤ and I have Idea for video:
What if was Prague capital city of Habsburg monarchy in 1526 (What if Ferdinand 1. fulfilled the promises made to him by the Czech nobles in 1526)
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Czechoslovakia being saved instead of invaded by the Soviets. What a timeline
Well the Soviets would still benefit from it, just in other ways
They were technically "saved" in both, just in a different way
Imagine thinking Czeckoslovakia was better under the 3rd Reich's ocupation than with an independent socialist government
I mean they were also saved in our timeline, they elected a communist government post war because they saw the west as having abandoned them.
Same thing happened irl, just 7 years too late
Correct title if Poland ALLOWED USSR troops to pass to help Czechoslovakia
But Poland didn't allow them, the Soviets invaded
Thank God they didn't. Ask the Baltic countries what happened when they let the red army "pass" into their countries to defend them from Germany. They were all met with annexation referrendums a month later
@@noeltlalka6476У них развилась промышленность, а граждане СССР знали, что в этих странах один из лучших отдыхов, а также качественная продукция. Я уже молчу про рост уровня жизни и рост численности населения на протяжении всей "оккупации". Зато сейчас, когда страны Балтии в ЕС, они себя очень хорошо чувствуют в виде экономических мигрантов ЕС. Промышленность Балтии полностью убита, а население сокращается год от года, растут нацисткие движения. Круто
@@user-rl5ec2mw3kты не понимаешь, вот при советском союзе было плохо, а сейчас хорошо. А то, что до ссср Прибалтика была одной огромной деревней без промышленности, это не сильно важно.
@@user-rl5ec2mw3kaverage communist
Raah Czechoslovakia mentioned wtf is losing in Hockey
Czechoslovakia was mentioned, but not hockey. What's the reference?
@@rewriting-historyIt’s a joke similar to american "What the F is a kilometer". Americans don't use the metric system and Czechs are very good at hockey
Czechia won the Hockey World Championship this year which was also hosted at home, it was peak
rahhh czechoslovakia is mentioned wtf is even something unique in it
french virgin vs soviet chad
Based
Soviet lost cold war
@@germanonion7269 Lol how offended are you to write such a meaningless comment?
@@mrji9605 I mean hes a german onion so what did you expect🤷
@@germanonion7269 jerries lost WW2
"Send dudes"
-Chekoslovakia+Rewriting History
Based?
I think this is an interesting timeline if the USSR helped Czechoslovakia, that thumbnail is wild and i like it.
Really glad that you liked the thumbnail and the video!
Send -N-Dudes
Oop mistype
so are you gonna send dudes?
@@DvNAssaultMain maybe
Based on what I was reading yesterday Stalin offered to defend Czechoslovakia while or immediately before the Sudatenland conference was going on, but neither Romania or Poland allowed Soviet troops through (due to the obvious risk of the Soviets using this as an easy opportunity to get a new puppet state). However, I don’t think it’s impossible that Romania could have been convinced, and that is probably what I would use as a POD.
So I got it pretty right, but didn't cover Romania
Romania had repeatedly said contradictory things but King Carol II in October 1937 told French General Gamelin that he would allow the Soviet troops to pass through Romanian territory if the key moment arrived in the future.
The Soviets wouldn't have dared touch Poland at the time because of Poland's value for Britain, who was a soviet enemy. The USSR causing trouble in Poland, even in just the eastern parts would have led to war with Poland, Germany, the UK and possibly even more countries.
@@gnas1897 Certainly, but Stalin’s idea was to convince Britain to be his ally in a untied front against the Germans, if that happened he probably thought, keeping the Soviets as an ally would be important enough to Britain and France overlook any Spanish style meddling in the governments of Romania or Poland.
This better not be removed, this is a great video
I waited so long to release it, it took TH-cam 3 days to approve it, so you know it's good!
@@rewriting-history all your content is good regardless, but apparently TH-cam doesn't like Historical stuff so it needs to be censored or rewritten (no pun intended)
@@SearcherBoishut up nerd
Agreed
”If compliance exceeds resistance” A hoi4 player might understand that but what does that actually mean?
More people choose to collaborate than to resist
Not even 1 minute in but i can already tell its very good! Your videos are always good.
Thank you so much 😀 I appreciate that a whole lot!
@@rewriting-historyonly 23.9k subs? You need 1m!!!
Suggestion: What if Otto von Habsburg recovered the Austrian throne after WW2 ended
Good idea
Not really differences from our history, maybe in jugoslavian wars, but I don't think
You always make the wildest borders man
Yes, and I love that! It's better than some minor border adjustments. Like imagine watching a 20 minute video just for a small border change... that would be so boring imo
@@rewriting-history But still should be little realistic. What if scenario is good but total
Fiction is pointless in this situation
@@remigiuszkempa9888my brother in christ, all alt history is totally fictional
@@2EntireLegs it is, but you should add a little realism intro consider
@@2EntireLegs not for long
This scenario seems compatible with Trotsky replacing Stalin
That would be cool, like if the USSR blunders so badly. Germany will seize to be ultranationalist because they lost, but also the USSR. The 1940s without Hitler and Stalin would be very different
Saxony-Anhalt and Brandenburg mentioned, great video ❤
Appreciate that!
@@rewriting-historyPál Teleki mentioned, finally he’s not mentioned for his death note
Cool Video I'm waiting for another one
Coming soon! Next one will be very interesting and will be worth the wait!
Interesting video, keep it up!
Thanks, will do!
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Yea i was on holiday and I was busy so i was not able to watch some of ur videos but I now i have time to watch them
Great video, I love those maps and the scenario. Also hi from Czechia.
Ayoo appreciate that! Never knew you were Czech!
@@rewriting-history Yeah, I also like how you included that Carpathian-Ruthenia was independent for few days.
@@Aurelian277 Lol i am from west Carpathian-Ruthenia
@@AnimatedEdits-nj7kg Hi, our old friend
Poland would likely not interveen really
They pursued politics of being strictly neutral with both USSR and Germany having multiple pacts with both.
It was part of broader strategy in Poland that no matter what, Poland must not take part in anticipated German-Soviet war, or at least not at the beggining of it
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I appreciate that!
I love your content❤❤❤❤ and I have Idea for video:
What if was Prague capital city of Habsburg monarchy in 1526 (What if Ferdinand 1. fulfilled the promises made to him by the Czech nobles in 1526)
this is literally in the hoi4 focus tree
From the Soviets? I haven't played it, but I didn't copy it lol
@@rewriting-history its the czechoslovak communist tree
@@user-bq9cz9xl3m This may have been fixed but I remember that if Czechoslovakia went down the communist path and joined the comintern, the Soviet Union would instantly kick Czechoslovakia out.
@@ChaseAu oh
@@ChaseAu hoi4 ussr simply ain't nearly as based as the one in this scenario
Nice video
Appreciate that!
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Finally someone did this alt history!
Hope you liked it!
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I have a feeling that this video will gain a ton of views
I sure hope so!
Do you use for your base map, modified hoi4 game map? Generaly I spotted a couple mistakes or simmilarities to hoi4 map, for example when you show Poland split in WW2 suwałki is part of the soviet occupation, like in hoi4, while it was German, simmilarly borders of zaolzie are the exact same as in hoi4 even though they are slightly innacurate. Map projecetion of hoi4 is also used which is kinda weird since most maps don't use it, and the borders have the same accuracy of hoi4 even in places where hoi gets the borders slightly off when other maps do not.
Good vid
Really appreciate that!
Great thumbnail.
15:00 That communist Poland flag is cursed
It is, but kind of cool ngl
The Little Entente will likely help Czechoslovakia too because with a strong Ally like Soviet Union they are more brave to help Czechoslovakia.
Romania joining against the USSR would be scary, so I don't think they will do it. Yugoslavia joining against Germany via their border in Austria is something that was not wanted too. I really don't know if the Little Entente would join, but is a cool topic for another video!
@@rewriting-history it is probable that romania would make pressure to hungary so they wont join, but there would be little entente volunteers coming to slovakia
so, basically what happened in harry turtledove's book series "the war that came early"?
I did take inspiration from "If the Allies Had Fallen" ecpecially 1B on the 7th page of the book
Nice video! I suggest another idea: what if Greater Romania survived and wasn't partitioned by the Axis
18:07 i think that even mars would be more hospitable...
Your videos are the best, this vid better not get taken Down. For me your are the best history youtuber, much support❤❤❤
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Rather Dead than red is the only thing I will say to this really fun alternative history
BRO THE THUMBNAIL CAUGHT MY EYE!!!!
Glad it did lol! My thumbnail game has inproven!
@@rewriting-history that’s good marketing
Stalin had more “important matters” than helping Czechoslovakia 😅
Czechoslovakia mentioned! :D very cool "what if" video!
9:45 Yes, Rewriting history, that was indeed a very based reference
Glad you liked it!
Hi from Czechia. I have a few Czechoslovak Passports, out of which the closest to the year this scenario takes place is a Passport from The Czechoslovak Republic that was issued in 1923
Yoo this is very cool! Thank you for sharing
Suggestion: What if the Bolshevik revolution occurred before World War I?
Great video but i have a feeling that you underrestimated the czechoslovak army, i personaly think that they would perform better.
Well, they would resist Germany until the Oster coup, so I think I gave them fair credit
That Is a fair point
Is it mean to say that he sounds like he's constantly gurgling water?
Can you do a scenario about what if the Little Entente defended Czechoslovakia
Yes, but not soon
@@rewriting-history ok
Very interesting
Glad you think so!
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I think Czechoslovakia in this timeline would've gained the entire Silesia and Lusatia and maybe some other disputed territories on the Slovakian side as war reparations
I think it's possible for some gains, but not too much
Czechoslovakia would have had the same fate as the Baltic states.
Look... Poland had around 120,000 Active duty soldiers in 1938 and Czechoslovakia had 1 250 000. Not to mention that every Czechoslovakia division was equipped with machine guns, and had one of the best-equipped infantry divisions in the world. Poland would have been wiped out in a couple days, if for whatever reason they were in war against Soviet and Czechoslovakia... There were forts on the borders with Germany, so Czechoslovakia had enough to visit Poland... The "conquered territories"(that you draw) were literary random blobs... Hitler himself mentioned in his book, that his plan was to attack Brno and Ostrava to cut Bohemia from Slovakia. Not to mention, that you didn't mention at all, that Hungary also seized territory. For the reasons above, Poland didn't want a conflict with Czechoslovakia. Certainly, it couldn't afford to get into conflict, considering they had a 6-year plan and enemies on both east and west. Realistically speaking, if Czechoslovakia declined, then Hungary and Germany would attack them. They would use airspace advantage and bombard Prague and Ostrava. Considering Soviet interference, they would probably be sent to handle Hungaria, considering they divisions were worse in both experience and equipment. Czechoslovakia would probably try to surprise Hungaria at some point and get them capitulated with dominant ltz. Still, then again, Germany would probably help them and such a plan would have failed. I don't think there is a single point that you made, that would have made sense... which is probably caused by you getting knowledge from hoi4, but it might be something else. Either way, you seem to over-sympathize the power of the Soviets. Their army was at best third behind Germany and Czechoslovakia (of active parties), but considering their lack of equipment even Poland would probably caused quite a dense in the early days. In the end, Czechoslovakia couldn't win, cause Germany could just flatten it with ground.
In the north of Moravia there are mountains and at the same time there is the best fortified part of the border with Germany, a lot of heavy fortifications and a lot of other fortifications (light fortifications) for the whole Czechoslovakia there were 263 heavy objects and 10014 light objects. Moreover, the czechoslovak mobilized army in 1938 had 1 250 000 men, and Germany had 1600 000, and as we know, for a attacking army, needs 3 times superiority. so the north would probably not have been completely won, it would have been more like the south of Moravia where there are lowlands, but there would have been deployed again a number of our tanks lt-35 which far exceeded the German Pzkpfw II.
Thanks for the video!
My main complaint is the Poland-Soviet peace makes no sense…. The Soviets walk in, annex southern Poland and they are just like “👍🏼” ??? 😂
The Soviets and polish fought a massive war in the 20’s already, I don’t think they were gonna be okay with it.
Well the Soviets win against Poland in one scenario, but lose in the other. What is the problem exactly? I gave you 2 scenarios and you prefer the one where the Soviets lose, which is fair, but such scenario was already given to you. After that I clearly mentioned that I'm going unrealistic
@@rewriting-history Sorry I meant the part of Poland and the Soviets signing a peace treaty after the territory was taken, my fault for being unclear
Can you do the scenario where Germany was divided from south catholic and north Protestant
Great video today
funny thumbnail lol
Glad you think so!
Lovely thumbnail
As Czech historian not approved (if you want i can send some photos of Czechoslovak-Soviet military friendship 1934-38)
Everyone knows Czechoslovakia had a mutual assistance pact with the Soviets since 1935.
18:18 as a czech i can confirm this is infact ´´what ´´ momment
So based, right?
@@rewriting-history yeah lmao
i like the thumbnail
Glad you liked it!
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Pin dis pls
You're fine, hope you liked the video!
@@rewriting-history Can u just make the vid where I rise, you get the point
Czechia is awesome.
They are based! Also good beer!
@@rewriting-history VERY based!
We are like dwarfs. Surrounded by mountains, making top class weapons and brewing one of the best beers in the world.
@@saiien2 best summary of Czechia ngl
Good alternative story more realistic!
Glad you liked it! I went for a more realistic path, it was just that at the end I wanted to show something more unrealistic, but super interesting
you should make a video abaut what if germany didn´t start ww2 but still demanding the sudentenland and anchlussing austria
Video idea: what if ww2 ended with no victory like ether the axis and allied forces winning.
Swedish empire video when?
Thinking of something, but maybe next month!
@@rewriting-history cool!
Czech/Slovak here?
I do have a couple watching, let's make a czech and slovak thread here
@@rewriting-history im Czech :D ahoj also that last edit in video was perfect
The comintern wasnt a military alliance it was a political one
The ussr wasnt a "member" of the comintern, the bolshevik party was
Many countries at this time had parties that were members of the comintern
day 3 of asking please make a what if the US entered the german side isntead of the british on the WW1 in 1917 (btw in this cenario italy will still join france/british side on 1915)
That likely means throughout the war the U.S. was more neutral to German leaning meaning basically the same thing. By time the U.S. joins the entente would be bankrupt and have almost no chance of beating the USA, this also likely means American Canada. 🦅🦅🦅🦅. Oh yeah and Germany dominates Europe for atleast a few years and the USA is going to crush Japan if they try anything.
The French would not be allowed to occupy all of the Rhineland as Britain would oppose it. They might occupy the Saarland again.
16:53 The USSR occupied the Baltics after demanding that the Baltics have Soviet garrisons within them, then helped to install Communist governments loyal to Moscow to be part of the USSR. The occupation of the Baltics and annexation has always been deemed illegal.
10:21 In geopolitics the first thing one does is look at their neighbor. The USSR did not have that big a stake in Spain as they did with Poland and Germany.
I agree about France, as I just think that the peace treaty would be slightly more harsh.
As for the USSR I believe they can still send troops to "protect" the Baltics, but force a communist government.
@@rewriting-history yes, but I seriously doubt that the communists in the Baltics could have willingly adopted a Communist government without Soviet muscle backing them.
nice
Thanks! Hope you liked the video so far!
Great video, you should have Oversimplified's amount of followers
What if Ferdinand the I returned to the bulgarian throne instead of Simeon the III (if im not wrong Ferdinand the I was still alive at that time)
He was alive, I can make it into a short, but I don't think anything would change
Poland once pushed bolsheiviks already in 1920, i think they would do it again in 1938, its worth mentioning that polish army was made specificly to fight agaisnt woods of USSR
great scenario
Well I released it 10 minutes ago, so the video still hasn't ended unless you're watching it at 2x speed! Still I appreciate that!
@@rewriting-history lol
"send dudes" 💀💀💀
Yeah lol
What if you took a hoi4 non-historical game and tried to turn it into a somewhat realistic scenario, if you get what I mean. That would be fun!
Well that's terrifying
Great video, but wouldn't france and Britain intervene to prevent the USSR from dismantling them?
Well wouldn't Britain and France intervene against Germany to prevent them from dismantling them? No. The same appeasement strategy would most likely carry over to the Soviet Union, at least up until 1939.
@rewriting-history great point but wasn't appeasement of the nazis expansion allowed for them gaining time to build up their military and also to prevent the ussr from expanding? Also, weren't the allies more afraid of the USSR than the nazis until the invasion of poland?
@@rewriting-history the soviet union would not have had the same sympathy the germans had with the pretext of the treaty of versailles and reunification of the german people.
@@rewriting-history I'm certain that it would have meant war. British-German relations were warm until 1939. British-Soviet relations on the other hand were terrible.
Well. the Polish didn't let the Soviets come through their territory to defend Czechoslovakia, since they got a piece of it too
7:04 maybe allies could agree but not Poland. Poland would likely refuse any teritorial demands from Soviets
Pettition for rewriting history to get all the balkan people to subscribe! Lets get him to 50mil subs!
Imagine getting all the Balkan people to agree on something, and this is to subscribe to me. It would be based!
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I buy them online! :D
Baden-Wurtenberg was a Cold War invention. Back then, they were the state of Baden & the state of Wurtenberg, the successors of the grand duchy & the kingdom respectively.
This is for sure what happened in the 40's of the Red world HOI4 mod.
Wow, amazing video! I love that you try and do realistic scenarios based on facts and then do ones that are a little outlandish, its really cool and Im glad I found your channel
I'm really glad that you found my channel! Hope I can entertain you a lot more in the future!
Idea for vid what if poland revolted aginst germany in ww1
3:54 The Germans would not go through the north. Czechoslovakia was building forts at the German border. After the anschluss of Austria Czechoslovakia had new southern border with Germany, but didnt had time to fortify it. So Germans would most likely push through the south. I think Germans would still get past the forts on north just not so fast. (As a Czech I visited the Forts myself and the big forts on north are like little Maginot line)
7:04 Bro said Volyn and added Ternopil instead...
I have commited a big sin!
I tried to do this in HOI4 by aiding a communist revolt in Czechoslovakia, but Germany took Bohemia and Moravia so my ally was reduced to Slovakia. I at least had Yugoslavia and Romania in the Comintern as well.
Skill issue. Jk bro, hope you had a fun game!
No Molotov-Ribbentrop pact here...
If you wanna criticize the video. Molotov Ribbentrop was signed in 1939. . . .
Well obviously, the Soviets and Germans are on opposing sides. I even mentioned in the video that there is not going to be such pact lol
@@Kliver13It wasn't a critique
@@rewriting-historyI know it was obvious, it was largely a placeholder comment so I would remember to comment after I have watched the video.
No need for one. Molotov ribbentrop was signed so the Soviets could survive a couple more years to finish army reform. It was signed after the allies ignored soviet calls for an anti facist alliance.
What if the Intermarium project was a sucess?
I think we would deny it anyway, we were capitalist country and our politicians knew that help from USSR now = communism later.
In case of at least little help in 1938 and finishing our fortifications in time, history would be completely different, Germany was not THAT strong in 1938 and our army was pretty modern and we have more than 1 milion men mobilised in 1938 and defenders have always advantage, if we fought and western countries admitted that we are victims, Hitler would be beaten already in 1938 or 1939.
The biggest fail of our politics was to not getting Poland on our side, they had 20 years for that after WWI and they failed. If Poles believed to us that Hitler will be danger for everyone, we would totally smash him together in 1938, history is b**ch.
You explained it actually pretty well, we were ordered to not fight by western countries and our allies France and UK, if we resisted in 1938, we could be seen as aggressors and those who are against peace, but Poles still believe that we just joined nazis, their version of history is always weird when I am confronted with that, they have no clue what actually happened in 1938 and 1939, they just learn Poland good, everyone else bad. Their point of view is actually pretty similar to how Russians see their history.
BTW, I like Poland and Poles, don't take me wrong, but never speak about history with them, they really have no clue what actually happened in many historical events.
Another thing that is needed to be mentioned is that Russians absolutely hated Czechs and Slovaks before WWII, because of our legions in Russia fighting against both - tsarists and reds and they also blame us from stealing their national gold. If Soviets helped us, it would not be actual help, but just occupation from other side.
Also I forgot to mention the Czechoslovak legion, I 100% should have mentioned it at least. Thank you for the further information, I love learning new stuff!
@@rewriting-history But don't take my very limited point of view and knowledge of history as facts, I know nothing actually. 😀
18:07 D@MN! I never knew you were *that* BASED!
Hahah appreciate that!
@@rewriting-history seriously most history teachers i had were socialist. Thank you for having a HUMAN BRAIN! But thank you for all of your videos that keeps us entertained!
can you make a video about Serbia or Yugoslavia? If you make a video about Yugoslavia it should be what would happen if yugoslavia and soviet union went to war when Tito and Stalin hated eachother
I have already made a video on the two, check these out:
th-cam.com/video/NBaWg_5pFRY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=RewritingHistory
th-cam.com/video/0VoO70Qg74k/w-d-xo.html
ok thank you
btw i alredy wached the first one its very interesting good job
@rewriting-history also abt yugoslavia after ww2 in 1948 stalin sent some ppl to kill tito so tito sent everyone who liked stalin to a Croatian Island of Goli Otok. Many People were falsely accused and sent there.
18:17 SUSHI JUMPSCARE
Hahahha yeah!
Soviet union mentioned🇺🇸🇹🇲💯
No way
What if the bagrationi monarchy was restored in Georgia and Armenia after the Fall collapse of the Soviet union and both countries united