Tinman! Thanks for the good footage! Even these silly auction saws are the coolest ever! Just because most guys have this size saw and what happened to these is basically what has happened to all of them out there just from being used and years of good service, and no one is to blame. And then, you show some guys some guidance on how to make them run and what "could" have cause the issue. Some people who just don't know can make head or tales of what is going on in a saw, but by your videos and Ironhorse and BBR and DJ etc... Plus, all of you make it that much safer by removing the frustration factor of a dull chain or other problem, that can distract from the experience or 'situational awareness' that takes place in a person when trying to get the job done.
I have a friend that works for DCNR and we go dumpster diving and you'd be surprised wit they throw away, i just brought home 3 jonsered 2171 complete running saws , like you said they have budgets and old stuff gets tosed in the trash and they go buy all new saws so im lucky to be the one he gets there old saws
Traded for a 2100 off of a guy who had gotten some saws from an estate sale. It felt like compression was good and it fired up and sounded ok but once home the muffler came off and sure enough the piston was pretty badly scored. The saw went back and I got mine back. Just because they feel good Dosent mean they are good. Takes a second to yank the exhaust off and take a look inside so well worth to do so. Keep up the great videos.
It's only the last couple of years that I started getting into saws. I have always had my dads stihl009l around but during covid I started out buying a whole bunch of poulan bubblesaws. 3314s 3816s, 4018s etc. Then I got into the old micros. I like their aesthetic but what an inconvenience to work on. Eventually I got a Stihl ms250 that was badly cooked. I rebuilt it with Chinese parts and still put too much into it but it was a great learning experience. Now I have an ms260 that was badly abused. Oddly enough the piston and cylinder were okay but everything fuel related was crispy. the bearings were shot. Mainly because of the poly baler twine wrapped in the clutch. it also need a filter cover and a few other things. Once again built with farmertec parts because I am a broke ass. something that I have noticed along the way was that the bubblesaw crowd within the chainsaw community was the most supportive and positive overall. They know they are low cost junk and embrace that. The typical brand hoor race saw types make it very difficult to ask basic questions about practical solutions. That is why I love this channel so much. No b.s.
Love your analogy of the 550xp. Husky built a ported saw for the public. 4 HP, 10,200 rpm. When I bought one, dealer read me the rules. DO NOT RUN A DULL CHAIN ON THIS SAW. He had a piston on the counter from a blown up 550. Literally melted, couldn't see the ring on the exhaust side. He said, guys are blowing these up left and right, because they don't know! No warranty coverage! Deemed to be operator fault. The narrow kerf .325 chain dulls pretty quick. The X-CUT chain is semi chisel, doesn't help matters much. Keeps on cutting when dull. Full chisel just quits cutting. Can't even use the dull chain override feature. Haha.
Hmmm, one smoked, one almost smoked, one not so smoked... if the price was right good saws for parts. The 261 would be the one I'd focus on but that's just me. Would still like to see a husqvarna 55 ported. TC Mahalo Tinman 🤙🤙🤙
YES please plug that 550xp saw in at the dealer and find out how many hours are on that saw. I have a 550xp mine runs great since I bought it new around 2016. I probably have like 30 hours on my saw still pretty much brand new. I Run a sharp chain and use good oil. I hear people say bad things about the 550xp, that I thought about buying a 550xp Mark II for back up just in case my 550xp crashes. The Mark II i do like, more hp - .25hp and the Air Filter is better.
I'm all for porting your saw if you want to, but I never needed one in my days of firewood or landscaping and nothing in my area needed more than my stock MS460. I got a very cheap Stihl saw one time for parts and the piston actually had the whole front melted off, like from a detonation. The cylinder, unbelievably was perfectly fine with just slight transfer removal!
MS261 has durable surface in the original cylinder. I think you can get away with a new piston and rings. I had one with the pistonskirt worn trough, cylinder was still like new.
I buy saws from the state when they have there auctions to the general public, those saws look just like that they run them hot , to lean or to rich and use cheap two cycle oils and cheap fuel,
I bought an old poulan for $25. Had all kinds of compression. Thought it was a runner then I pulled the muffler and it looked a lot like your 261. Used the rim sprocket, recoil, good carb, and air filter off it. Got my money’s worth. Poulan 3300 if your wondering but like yours, it thumped when pulled over
I have a 550xp original and it runs great. Love that saw. I keep it maintained and keep my chains sharp and it treats me well. Not sure where the bad rep comes from, but I have a sample size of 1.
Tinman let me know if you can’t source a 441 jug and piston I know aftermarket is hit and miss on those saws and I believe I have a good set in the parts bins.
I don't care what type of saw I'm running as long as it starts runs and is sharp. If you treat your saw right it will treat you right. And that's an everyday life lesson.
I would love to see you port that, not to the max but reasonably snotty. I have a new one that is non autotune and want to port it and would like some ideas on which path to take onthat model.
For the first saw that has "decent compression" could that be confused with friction? Is there a good way to make sure you can tell the difference! Love your channel keep up the great saw work 💯
First rule of public administration. Always spend all your budget and ask for 4% more next year. Repairs are also in maintenance line but new equipment goes to capital expenditures. Money can’t cross lines on the spreadsheet. Your tax dollars at work. 😂
Hey tinman, I'm seriously considering starting a TH-cam channel. Not necessarily chainsaw related but garage related. I'm into old cars and trucks and I'm pretty good at it. My question is how do you edit your videos and what camera and mic do you use. Thanks friend
JUST TO PROVE HOW TOUGH SAWS ARE I HAD A 365 MY BUDDY GAVE ME HE COULDNT GET IT TO RUN PROPERLY,, SO I GOT IT TO RUN BUT NOT THE GREATEST,SO I ORDERED SOME CRANKSEALS FIGURING IT HAD A SMALL AIRLEAK,,,WHEN I REMOVED THE CRANKSEALS IT HAD 3 MISSING BALLS OUT OF THE BEARING ON THE FLYWHEEL SIDE ,I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW IT RAN,,, SO I SPLIT THE CASE HALVES AND SHE GOT NEW SKF BEARINGS RAN GREAT AFTER THAT 😆😆😆😆😆
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Tinman! Thanks for the good footage! Even these silly auction saws are the coolest ever! Just because most guys have this size saw and what happened to these is basically what has happened to all of them out there just from being used and years of good service, and no one is to blame. And then, you show some guys some guidance on how to make them run and what "could" have cause the issue. Some people who just don't know can make head or tales of what is going on in a saw, but by your videos and Ironhorse and BBR and DJ etc... Plus, all of you make it that much safer by removing the frustration factor of a dull chain or other problem, that can distract from the experience or 'situational awareness' that takes place in a person when trying to get the job done.
I have a friend that works for DCNR and we go dumpster diving and you'd be surprised wit they throw away, i just brought home 3 jonsered 2171 complete running saws , like you said they have budgets and old stuff gets tosed in the trash and they go buy all new saws so im lucky to be the one he gets there old saws
When you showed the piston on the 441, I screamed, covered my eyes, and turned my head.😱😱😱
Lol
It was scary John 😂😂
Hi bud how ya doing
@donnywalker4691 Hoping your recovery is going well! I am here if you need me!
Traded for a 2100 off of a guy who had gotten some saws from an estate sale. It felt like compression was good and it fired up and sounded ok but once home the muffler came off and sure enough the piston was pretty badly scored. The saw went back and I got mine back. Just because they feel good Dosent mean they are good. Takes a second to yank the exhaust off and take a look inside so well worth to do so.
Keep up the great videos.
It's only the last couple of years that I started getting into saws. I have always had my dads stihl009l around but during covid I started out buying a whole bunch of poulan bubblesaws. 3314s 3816s, 4018s etc. Then I got into the old micros. I like their aesthetic but what an inconvenience to work on. Eventually I got a Stihl ms250 that was badly cooked. I rebuilt it with Chinese parts and still put too much into it but it was a great learning experience. Now I have an ms260 that was badly abused. Oddly enough the piston and cylinder were okay but everything fuel related was crispy. the bearings were shot. Mainly because of the poly baler twine wrapped in the clutch. it also need a filter cover and a few other things. Once again built with farmertec parts because I am a broke ass. something that I have noticed along the way was that the bubblesaw crowd within the chainsaw community was the most supportive and positive overall. They know they are low cost junk and embrace that. The typical brand hoor race saw types make it very difficult to ask basic questions about practical solutions. That is why I love this channel so much. No b.s.
Love your analogy of the 550xp.
Husky built a ported saw for the public. 4 HP, 10,200 rpm. When I bought one, dealer read me the rules. DO NOT RUN A DULL CHAIN ON THIS SAW. He had a piston on the counter from a blown up 550.
Literally melted, couldn't see the ring on the exhaust side. He said, guys are blowing these up left and right, because they don't know!
No warranty coverage! Deemed to be operator fault. The narrow kerf .325 chain dulls pretty quick. The X-CUT chain is semi chisel, doesn't help matters much. Keeps on cutting when dull. Full chisel just quits cutting. Can't even use the dull chain override feature. Haha.
My 550 mk2 is the hottest saw I’ve ever run!
The 550s are warm for sure
The 441 saws are weird but have great power
Hmmm, one smoked, one almost smoked, one not so smoked... if the price was right good saws for parts. The 261 would be the one I'd focus on but that's just me. Would still like to see a husqvarna 55 ported. TC Mahalo Tinman 🤙🤙🤙
Looking forward to the 261 work and what your thoughts are. They appear to be hotrods off the shelf.
YES please plug that 550xp saw in at the dealer and find out how many hours are on that saw. I have a 550xp mine runs great since I bought it new around 2016. I probably have like 30 hours on my saw still pretty much brand new. I Run a sharp chain and use good oil. I hear people say bad things about the 550xp, that I thought about buying a 550xp Mark II for back up just in case my 550xp crashes. The Mark II i do like, more hp - .25hp and the Air Filter is better.
If you can fix them yourself you've already saved money in the long run, they all look like good saws and worth repairing. Thanks buddy nice video.
To all the Karen’s out there…….YOU DO YOU (interpret that how you want, 🤣). T-Man, I love your shows 👍
Great to see you on a 90 deg Monday an 72% humidity! Another great video! You are spot on about port or not port!!!!!
Same weather as here today
@@tinmanssaws It's 92 with a 108 heat index in Pennsylvania
I'm all for porting your saw if you want to, but I never needed one in my days of firewood or landscaping and nothing in my area needed more than my stock MS460. I got a very cheap Stihl saw one time for parts and the piston actually had the whole front melted off, like from a detonation. The cylinder, unbelievably was perfectly fine with just slight transfer removal!
MS261 has durable surface in the original cylinder. I think you can get away with a new piston and rings. I had one with the pistonskirt worn trough, cylinder was still like new.
Wow that saw was toast but still a good experience for the channel. Nice job 👍
Wow! Surprised that 441 had any percieveable compression!
Cant win e'm all but I'd say you still came out ahead in that auction👍🏻
Awesome video
Nice score.
I buy saws from the state when they have there auctions to the general public, those saws look just like that they run them hot , to lean or to rich and use cheap two cycle oils and cheap fuel,
I bought an old poulan for $25. Had all kinds of compression. Thought it was a runner then I pulled the muffler and it looked a lot like your 261. Used the rim sprocket, recoil, good carb, and air filter off it. Got my money’s worth. Poulan 3300 if your wondering but like yours, it thumped when pulled over
I have a 550xp original and it runs great. Love that saw. I keep it maintained and keep my chains sharp and it treats me well. Not sure where the bad rep comes from, but I have a sample size of 1.
Dull chains is what kills most of the 550s is my guess
The 550 probably stuck ring
Tinman let me know if you can’t source a 441 jug and piston I know aftermarket is hit and miss on those saws and I believe I have a good set in the parts bins.
Jst talked to Ryan about a aftermarket cylinder kit for a 261cm that we have in the shop and it sounded like no bueno. And yes the OEM is expensive
I don't care what type of saw I'm running as long as it starts runs and is sharp. If you treat your saw right it will treat you right. And that's an everyday life lesson.
Great video as usual,
I hope you and the family are having a good week.
Time to big bore the MS441
I think I'll order the big bore and see how it stacks up against a 460/461
That’ll be cool to see.
Keep um sharp clean and air tight good gas and oil ❤❤
I was always intrigued by the 441. Never ran one, though
I have one question and one question only. Where the heck can I get “SHE CUTS EH!” T-shirt please tell me! I want one badly!!!!! 👍
The stihl that you go going. Would it have been able to run if it had carburetor? Was that electronic system able to work around that damage?
5:28 STIHL HP Ultra in action here!
You can get a good used cylinder and piston for as low as $105 and a brand new OEM for like $289 US dollars! For the MS 441
I would love to see you port that, not to the max but reasonably snotty. I have a new one that is non autotune and want to port it and would like some ideas on which path to take onthat model.
I bet somebody stuck a ring in that 261 just so they could unload it
What causes these saws to blow? Im new to chainsaws. I want to keep mine in good shape.
Dull chains, not warming them up, not blowing them out are the main causes
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I've never heard of a 441 until these videos
Let us know if you experience the “hot start” issue with the 550 after you do some cutting with it on a hot day.
For the first saw that has "decent compression" could that be confused with friction? Is there a good way to make sure you can tell the difference! Love your channel keep up the great saw work 💯
I guess it could but I've pulled over a bazillion saws this is the first one that's stmped me..it thumps like a healthy saw does
@@tinmanssaws you would know better than me, I was just speculating on possible reasons for deception. 😁
First rule of public administration. Always spend all your budget and ask for 4% more next year. Repairs are also in maintenance line but new equipment goes to capital expenditures. Money can’t cross lines on the spreadsheet. Your tax dollars at work. 😂
You still scored….. Pardon the pun lol.
No such things as a to long Tinman video!
I knew a female sheet metal worker ,she had tin knockers
Hey tinman, I'm seriously considering starting a TH-cam channel. Not necessarily chainsaw related but garage related. I'm into old cars and trucks and I'm pretty good at it. My question is how do you edit your videos and what camera and mic do you use. Thanks friend
This whole channel is run off my phone, no mics or anything like that..
It either ate a bearing , or ring cought the exhaust port
How's Tinman and family
JUST TO PROVE HOW TOUGH SAWS ARE I HAD A 365 MY BUDDY GAVE ME HE COULDNT GET IT TO RUN PROPERLY,, SO I GOT IT TO RUN BUT NOT THE GREATEST,SO I ORDERED SOME CRANKSEALS FIGURING IT HAD A SMALL AIRLEAK,,,WHEN I REMOVED THE CRANKSEALS IT HAD 3 MISSING BALLS OUT OF THE BEARING ON THE FLYWHEEL SIDE ,I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW IT RAN,,, SO I SPLIT THE CASE HALVES AND SHE GOT NEW SKF BEARINGS RAN GREAT AFTER THAT 😆😆😆😆😆
The old my dad is bigger than your dad, childish in the first degree.