Never understood why viewers question how you do your work when you tell them over and over do it your way if you wish. I am always interested in doing things simpler and I appreciate someone sharing their way which I have the choice to use or not. 👍👍
Tinman, you saying you haven't given anything away is false! You have gave us (especially me) more knowledge than you know man, I now have confidence to port my own saws and do full rebuilds on blown up ones with zero hesitation. The shared knowledge is greatly appreciated big dog! It's always a great day when I get that new Tinman video notification :)
@tinmanssaws I hear what your saying man, I'm just reassuring you that you give plenty! But I guarantee we all are excited for the chance at winning a saw :)
Tin, as far as I’m concerned, I don’t know $hit from a shoeshine when it comes to the inner workings of a saw, and my mom used to tell me to go with your gut. So do what you feel is right for you. When I was teaching guys to weld, I used to tell them “ you ask 10 different welders the same question and get 10 different answers with the same end result”. Thanks you for giving us the information and knowledge that have probably come with many trials and tribulations. Much love to you brother. And it’s been in the high 90’s here in NC for the last couple of weeks. I’ll trade you some of that Canadian “heat” for some of our North Carolina Sweltering heat and humidity. We finally got some rain today for the first time in a few weeks. Normally I cut my yard weekly, now it’s been almost 4 weeks. Have a great weekend man. Much love 🤙🤙
Tinman, Please keep on providing great options for fellas like me who just like to explore ways to improve our power saws or simply bring old ones back into service. I do most of my "tinkering" on the tailgate of my pickup so I appreciate simple methods to get a task accomplished. Well done as always!!!
Add a little zip, but make it reliable. Piston work, tickle the timing a bit, basic stuff to make it run better and cooler. No need for orangutan mode. You can do that to the 261.... Great video sir! Y'all have a great day!
Really enjoying this series. I like the way you think and this is gonna help me when I bring my 026 back to its former glory. I don't think some realize that when you have a bearing with a plastic cage, you can't freeze it without risking damage to the cage during install. Plastic gets brittle and fragile at low temps and one good jar can cause that plastic cage to break or crack (maybe in a place you can't see you broke it). Best install would be no heat on the bearing and no freezing either. Heating the case (like you did) is the safest choice IMO and that's exactly how I'm going to do my 026. It'd be interesting to see the difference between the 2 ring and single ring piston weights. That piston you showed looks like it has a nice domed top already though. I think a good cleanup on the transfers maybe go a tad wider in places would be more than enough to make this one a runner. Good stuff!
Man I'm so excited to see how this turns out😁 I'll vote for å lightened piston, modified ring and only straight tool on the upper transfers. The most mean firewood machine with the simplest tools possible🤞 Have a good one!
Just finished my first port job thanks to your inspiration! I actually sent you a video of the first cuts lol. Now I'm doing a Husky 50 with a 55 closed port topend and a popup. Gonna follow this build pretty close.
Hey Tinman, the 026 is even stock an awesome little powerhouse. Recently ran mine head to head with a 261. what I would love to have is the snappiness of the 261 in a 026… maybe with a little timing advance by a modified key?? Single ring but with a second 024 ring just filling up the ring groove (you remember our leakage debate?) And of course all the little moves that are often overlooked: piston work… some carb tweaks. And for sure a rad looking pipe 😍
Hey Tinman, thanks for the great videos. I just got an 026 from an auction. I don't know anything about it, I'll find out tomorrow when I pick it up. I plan on doing some porting, making it run good and give it to a family member.
Hey tinman love the work you do and enjoy your humble energy, maybe someday down the road I would like to see you make an absolute monster on the racing level, I'll leave to you to pick make and model, thanks again for being a awesome example of a good and humble man
This was the first saw I messed with after watching your videos a couple years ago base gasket delete different carb and big port exhaust and it’s a ripper don’t know numbers on it never put a wheel on it definitely big improvement on acceleration and hold in the wood
Great channel! What about just working the piston without touching the barrel. Putting gullies in the piston top for transfers or exhaust and doing the intake timing on the intake skirt. Thinking that you can get more focused or directional flow plus pistons are much cheaper than barrels wen things go south. Widening ports is more risky for catching rings on a work saw to me. Reliability, good flow and a sharp chain won't cause pain. South African opinion :)
Love this build thanks to you I got a stihl 036 that was blown up completely rebuilt from the ground up really happy with it. With the 026 lighten piston open up transfers agree with wanting to run lighter saws, thanks for all you share with us it’s a great adventure.
Who you calling a old man ! I run a saw almost every day this last year , my 365X-Torq isn’t too heavy . I was looking at a 395 but it’s a bit too heavy for me to run all day . I’m sixty four . 👍🇨🇦
Hey Tinman , thats the first 026 ive seen with more than 98 on the Exaust. Maybe caused by a to narrow squishband. Well see. I also wondered about the Intake duration on these 026ses. Its a high revinn Prosaw and that with 134 deg. Its always a magic how saws act with total different Numbers. So Numbers are just Numbers of a System.
New subscriber here from texas. Thanks for the content. I'm about to dig into a 034 this is very informative to me personally. I don't cut much but I love to bring life back to these things. Your saw will be a pattern for mine. Thanks
Iffn it ain’t broke, don’t fix it? 😂😊😂😊😂Tinman- at 72 I run saws myself more than at any time in my life. Lighter saws for branches are a must! Why would you punish yourself with a lond bar heavy saw ( I have spent days recovering from this) when a small responsive saw will cut down on the effort and possibly pain, to prove that you still have it? Great project!😊
I'm going to stick to my guns and my first comment a couple videos ago when I would love to see this as a solid, reliable work saw with just some "Tinman touches." By the way, I had to chuckle because I'm right in the age category you mentioned.😂😂😂😂😂😂
Match piston window to cylinder transfer, leave transfers stock. Maybe a little on exhaust side. Would not do much on intake side. Vacuum reasons. 2 rings
Two rings, like Stihl designed it, like the combustion chamber and piston. Smooth the piston and windows. I understand your premis, it would be interesting to know the squish and the thickness of that base gasket, a thinner gasket is an option and an easy alternative for most folks. Different thickness of gaskets were offered by Stihl for some of the older saws as well as custom aftermarket options. I have not had an issue with any of my builds using only gasket sealer. Make sure the mating surfaces are clean and give the gasket maker proper time to cure and you won't have an issue doing a base gasket delete were squish permits.
How about this.. Intake -73° Exhaust- same #s but cleaned up nice. Uppers- nothing more than a chamfer. Lowers- a little Tinman flow Piston - lighten, flow, one ring
Don't go gangbusters. The anti vibe in those earlier Stihl's is not exactly great. And remember, those saws really wake up with mods, but hold yourself back a little, the carb size limitations are very easy to outpace. Great saws though!! Incredibly lightweight and reliable. I still have two with hundreds of hours.
I say 140 intake duration, 101 exhaust roof definitely widen too, just blend in the entrance to the transfers and leave them mostly stock, heavily flow the piston really taper down the end of the wrist pin bosses, try to keep crankcase volume minimal, gut the muffler run a piece of 1 inch emt for an outlet, I am of the opinion that larger crankcase volumes mostly help the top end with an expansion chamber exhaust. In those engines the pipe pulls the charge in were on non expansion chamber engines are reliant on crankcase pressure to push in the charge. Try a low crank case volume build see how it goes.
The numbers I have on a 026 44.7mm Hyway cyl I have are Ex opens @104 atdc Ex closes @87 Transfers open @134 atdc Transfers closed @59 Intake open @75 Intake closed @78 atdc Squish was at .17 I am still trying to get my head around port numbers, I feel like I screwed up somewhere... Depending on the piston size, I have read of people using a 028 (I think it was) piston in an 026, it has a wider skirt and a flat top so you could widen the ports and get the squish more accurate.
Measure port timing in duration from port opening to port closing, its much easier to understand and no need to find TDC. Looking those numbers what you have i think the transfers would need to be raised some to shorten the blowdown timing and to give it more transfer time/area.
I'm only pushing 40 and tool/boot weight, and lifting heavy things is something that I think about often. That way hopefully I will be able to run saws as a senior. That is going to be an awesome saw. I was wondering about decompression on these smaller saws, Is it for the benefit of the user or the saw? The reason I ask is 1980 Honda xr200 bikes had one. A lot of people laughed at the thought and would disregard it. the teeth on the kickstarter would round off and the bike engine would need to be split to fix it. I obviously didn't learn this the hard way. haha. I think the trick with firewood saws is to build it so it resists heat, will start easily and doesn't need constant tuning.
Hey Tinman, how's things. Neil here, Sunshine Coast Queensland. Been using chainsaws for years both for work and play, new to porting/modifying saws, pardon my ignorance, why is a single ring better than two?
I have a mini fridge in my shop that has a shoebox size freezer section. Never knew how handy it would be lol If building a high rpm screamer, my vote is single ring. Otherwise, I like both rings. For teaching the average beginner porters, I'd say leave the upper transfers stock, not always necessary to make decent power and not everyone has a right angle head. As always, thank you for sharing your time and knowledge with us!
Definitely clean up the piston, lower transfers, 140 duration, one ring and a UFO pipe from Morgan lol (if possible). Tickle the intake as well and open up and polish the exhaust. Have you ever thought of modifying the fins on the flywheel for improve air flow to the cylinder? Or is this just a late night crazy thought? Also definitely sign and decal it. If I was so lucky I would most certainly want people to know it was your build. TC Mahalo Tinman 🤙🤙🤙
I have a pretty old homelite chainsaw that I'm trying to sell it's a kind that has a pump pump oiler if you have any email address I can send you a picture I just don't know how we could work it out
I’d like to see you go to 155 intake but not do anything else besides lower transfers as it allows. I have done two 026s @ 158 intake and they are snappy still.
Never understood why viewers question how you do your work when you tell them over and over do it your way if you wish. I am always interested in doing things simpler and I appreciate someone sharing their way which I have the choice to use or not. 👍👍
Tinman, you saying you haven't given anything away is false! You have gave us (especially me) more knowledge than you know man, I now have confidence to port my own saws and do full rebuilds on blown up ones with zero hesitation. The shared knowledge is greatly appreciated big dog! It's always a great day when I get that new Tinman video notification :)
I just feel like I could give more. It's hard to explain
@tinmanssaws I hear what your saying man, I'm just reassuring you that you give plenty! But I guarantee we all are excited for the chance at winning a saw :)
Jus my opinion, u give plenty with sharing your knowledge. A give away is above and beyond. Ty 4 what u do.
Tin, as far as I’m concerned, I don’t know $hit from a shoeshine when it comes to the inner workings of a saw, and my mom used to tell me to go with your gut. So do what you feel is right for you. When I was teaching guys to weld, I used to tell them “ you ask 10 different welders the same question and get 10 different answers with the same end result”. Thanks you for giving us the information and knowledge that have probably come with many trials and tribulations. Much love to you brother. And it’s been in the high 90’s here in NC for the last couple of weeks. I’ll trade you some of that Canadian “heat” for some of our North Carolina Sweltering heat and humidity. We finally got some rain today for the first time in a few weeks. Normally I cut my yard weekly, now it’s been almost 4 weeks. Have a great weekend man. Much love 🤙🤙
Tinman, Please keep on providing great options for fellas like me who just like to explore ways to improve our power saws or simply bring old ones back into service. I do most of my "tinkering" on the tailgate of my pickup so I appreciate simple methods to get a task accomplished. Well done as always!!!
Add a little zip, but make it reliable. Piston work, tickle the timing a bit, basic stuff to make it run better and cooler. No need for orangutan mode. You can do that to the 261....
Great video sir! Y'all have a great day!
THANKS RYAN FROM WOLF CREEK SAW SHOP FOR YOUR SUPPORT YOUR A GOOD MAN ,,,HI TINMAN HOPE ALL IS WELL BUDDY
Really enjoying this series. I like the way you think and this is gonna help me when I bring my 026 back to its former glory. I don't think some realize that when you have a bearing with a plastic cage, you can't freeze it without risking damage to the cage during install. Plastic gets brittle and fragile at low temps and one good jar can cause that plastic cage to break or crack (maybe in a place you can't see you broke it). Best install would be no heat on the bearing and no freezing either. Heating the case (like you did) is the safest choice IMO and that's exactly how I'm going to do my 026. It'd be interesting to see the difference between the 2 ring and single ring piston weights. That piston you showed looks like it has a nice domed top already though. I think a good cleanup on the transfers maybe go a tad wider in places would be more than enough to make this one a runner. Good stuff!
Man I'm so excited to see how this turns out😁 I'll vote for å lightened piston, modified ring and only straight tool on the upper transfers. The most mean firewood machine with the simplest tools possible🤞
Have a good one!
Very much enjoying this, following along with a Husqvarna 55. Thanks for what you do 😊
Just finished my first port job thanks to your inspiration! I actually sent you a video of the first cuts lol.
Now I'm doing a Husky 50 with a 55 closed port topend and a popup. Gonna follow this build pretty close.
Hey Tinman, the 026 is even stock an awesome little powerhouse. Recently ran mine head to head with a 261. what I would love to have is the snappiness of the 261 in a 026… maybe with a little timing advance by a modified key??
Single ring but with a second 024 ring just filling up the ring groove (you remember our leakage debate?)
And of course all the little moves that are often overlooked: piston work… some carb tweaks.
And for sure a rad looking pipe 😍
Hey Tinman, thanks for the great videos. I just got an 026 from an auction. I don't know anything about it, I'll find out tomorrow when I pick it up. I plan on doing some porting, making it run good and give it to a family member.
Hey tinman love the work you do and enjoy your humble energy, maybe someday down the road I would like to see you make an absolute monster on the racing level, I'll leave to you to pick make and model, thanks again for being a awesome example of a good and humble man
I love Ryan at Wolf Creek. I have five different people ordering parts for me so that the wife does not know how much I’m spending.😂😂😂
I like where you're going with this....go double ring!
This was the first saw I messed with after watching your videos a couple years ago base gasket delete different carb and big port exhaust and it’s a ripper don’t know numbers on it never put a wheel on it definitely big improvement on acceleration and hold in the wood
Great video as usual sir,
I hope you and the family are doing well.
I would like to see 2 rings and a lighter piston. Widen the lower transfers.
Great channel! What about just working the piston without touching the barrel. Putting gullies in the piston top for transfers or exhaust and doing the intake timing on the intake skirt. Thinking that you can get more focused or directional flow plus pistons are much cheaper than barrels wen things go south. Widening ports is more risky for catching rings on a work saw to me. Reliability, good flow and a sharp chain won't cause pain. South African opinion :)
I would say keep two rings, since that's what it was designed for. Work the piston to open the windows for better intake efficiency.
Love this build thanks to you I got a stihl 036 that was blown up completely rebuilt from the ground up really happy with it. With the 026 lighten piston open up transfers agree with wanting to run lighter saws, thanks for all you share with us it’s a great adventure.
Who you calling a old man !
I run a saw almost every day this last year , my 365X-Torq isn’t too heavy . I was looking at a 395 but it’s a bit too heavy for me to run all day . I’m sixty four . 👍🇨🇦
My vote is for single ring, do some work to lower transfers, leave top transfers alone, leave piston alone, pipe it, and give it a little more intake
Hey Tinman , thats the first 026 ive seen with more than 98 on the Exaust. Maybe caused by a to narrow squishband. Well see.
I also wondered about the Intake duration on these 026ses. Its a high revinn Prosaw and that with 134 deg. Its always a magic how saws act with total different Numbers. So Numbers are just Numbers of a System.
New subscriber here from texas. Thanks for the content. I'm about to dig into a 034 this is very informative to me personally. I don't cut much but I love to bring life back to these things. Your saw will be a pattern for mine. Thanks
Iffn it ain’t broke, don’t fix it? 😂😊😂😊😂Tinman- at 72 I run saws myself more than at any time in my life. Lighter saws for branches are a must! Why would you punish yourself with a lond bar heavy saw ( I have spent days recovering from this) when a small responsive saw will cut down on the effort and possibly pain, to prove that you still have it? Great project!😊
I'm going to stick to my guns and my first comment a couple videos ago when I would love to see this as a solid, reliable work saw with just some "Tinman touches."
By the way, I had to chuckle because I'm right in the age category you mentioned.😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just a bit off the exhaust. It is going to be a firewood saw, a nice pipe and she will have a bit more grunt and will have a nice bark.
Match piston window to cylinder transfer, leave transfers stock. Maybe a little on exhaust side. Would not do much on intake side. Vacuum reasons. 2 rings
keep the good videos coming, 2 rings open the intake ant lowers widen the exhaust
Two rings, like Stihl designed it, like the combustion chamber and piston. Smooth the piston and windows. I understand your premis, it would be interesting to know the squish and the thickness of that base gasket, a thinner gasket is an option and an easy alternative for most folks. Different thickness of gaskets were offered by Stihl for some of the older saws as well as custom aftermarket options. I have not had an issue with any of my builds using only gasket sealer. Make sure the mating surfaces are clean and give the gasket maker proper time to cure and you won't have an issue doing a base gasket delete were squish permits.
How about this..
Intake -73°
Exhaust- same #s but cleaned up nice.
Uppers- nothing more than a chamfer.
Lowers- a little Tinman flow
Piston - lighten, flow, one ring
Don't go gangbusters. The anti vibe in those earlier Stihl's is not exactly great.
And remember, those saws really wake up with mods, but hold yourself back a little, the carb size limitations are very easy to outpace.
Great saws though!! Incredibly lightweight and reliable. I still have two with hundreds of hours.
Lucky for you I know jack about how to take apart a saw . Ignorance is bliss. 🤣
I personally would like you to try to get as much out of that saw as you can and still have a reliable saw without machining and right angle tools.
Personally I think lightning and flowing the Piston is a must
I say 140 intake duration, 101 exhaust roof definitely widen too, just blend in the entrance to the transfers and leave them mostly stock, heavily flow the piston really taper down the end of the wrist pin bosses, try to keep crankcase volume minimal, gut the muffler run a piece of 1 inch emt for an outlet,
I am of the opinion that larger crankcase volumes mostly help the top end with an expansion chamber exhaust. In those engines the pipe pulls the charge in were on non expansion chamber engines are reliant on crankcase pressure to push in the charge. Try a low crank case volume build see how it goes.
G'day Tinman, I'd like to see you expand on why you think freeporting on the exhaust is a good thing.
2 rings plz
Never hurts to lighten the piston up add little more flow pipe the snot out of it and have fun with it.
notch top of piston so transfer port feed faster
The numbers I have on a 026 44.7mm Hyway cyl I have are
Ex opens @104 atdc
Ex closes @87
Transfers open @134 atdc
Transfers closed @59
Intake open @75
Intake closed @78 atdc
Squish was at .17
I am still trying to get my head around port numbers, I feel like I screwed up somewhere...
Depending on the piston size, I have read of people using a 028 (I think it was) piston in an 026, it has a wider skirt and a flat top so you could widen the ports and get the squish more accurate.
Measure port timing in duration from port opening to port closing, its much easier to understand and no need to find TDC. Looking those numbers what you have i think the transfers would need to be raised some to shorten the blowdown timing and to give it more transfer time/area.
@@Ketis1985 Thanks, so I am told the Hyway cylinders shouldn't be ported, the coating in the cylinder could chip off.
I'm interested to see how just transfer and piston work would perform. Just my two cents
I'm only pushing 40 and tool/boot weight, and lifting heavy things is something that I think about often. That way hopefully I will be able to run saws as a senior. That is going to be an awesome saw. I was wondering about decompression on these smaller saws, Is it for the benefit of the user or the saw? The reason I ask is 1980 Honda xr200 bikes had one. A lot of people laughed at the thought and would disregard it. the teeth on the kickstarter would round off and the bike engine would need to be split to fix it. I obviously didn't learn this the hard way. haha. I think the trick with firewood saws is to build it so it resists heat, will start easily and doesn't need constant tuning.
2 rings on the piston. Open up the bottom transfers. Have a good day.
Does the tinman code still work at wolfcreek?
Question for you, does a two ring setup help keep piston squared up to the bore, an less skirt wear? Stay cool it's hot in Ohio!
If both the rings are already in the intake I don't think I'd go single ring...
Im curious what is the squish with the base gasket, might still be tight given it was hitting without gasket.
It's a nice machine that just needs some TLC
I would open the windows lighten it up.
Single ring
My 026 had a bad OEM cylinder so I got the 44.7 mm Meteor one from Ryan and couldn’t be happier!
do a stage 1 and stage 2 , literaly what you want
Single ring that little dude. We want you to tell us the ACTUAL squish measurement as well: 16,17,20,24…?
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Lighten the piston, make sure the piston windows aren't blocked. Should be a ripper.
Light weight piston with a single ring with stock transfers?
Hey Tinman, how's things. Neil here, Sunshine Coast Queensland. Been using chainsaws for years both for work and play, new to porting/modifying saws, pardon my ignorance, why is a single ring better than two?
Тим, существует аналог проставки карбюратора хускварна 266 se в моем трещина от268 не подошёл он другой, чем заклеить?
If you work the piston and use a single ring, how much weight will it remove, and what performance change do we get?
It will make a the saw a bit snappier and keep heat down. Or should
Slightly spicy would be nice!
I have a mini fridge in my shop that has a shoebox size freezer section. Never knew how handy it would be lol
If building a high rpm screamer, my vote is single ring. Otherwise, I like both rings.
For teaching the average beginner porters, I'd say leave the upper transfers stock, not always necessary to make decent power and not everyone has a right angle head.
As always, thank you for sharing your time and knowledge with us!
How's the Tinman and family
Single ring
Tinman some may say
"You're out of touch
I'm out of time, time
But I'm out of my head when you're not around"
Stipple the intake and make it a kidney shape. I've had good luck with that combo. Thanks for the content TM!
Port it then lets compare it to my stock one.
Definitely clean up the piston, lower transfers, 140 duration, one ring and a UFO pipe from Morgan lol (if possible). Tickle the intake as well and open up and polish the exhaust. Have you ever thought of modifying the fins on the flywheel for improve air flow to the cylinder? Or is this just a late night crazy thought? Also definitely sign and decal it. If I was so lucky I would most certainly want people to know it was your build. TC Mahalo Tinman 🤙🤙🤙
I have a pretty old homelite chainsaw that I'm trying to sell it's a kind that has a pump pump oiler if you have any email address I can send you a picture I just don't know how we could work it out
I’d like to see you go to 155 intake but not do anything else besides lower transfers as it allows. I have done two 026s @ 158 intake and they are snappy still.
These are heavy and underpowered for 50cc even when ported decent.