Comparisons between Mist and Fogger systems please. Have you done any grow cycles using both systems simultaneously using the same exact clones, nutrient solutions, and schedule? What temperature do you generally keep your reservoirs at? I've heard the foggers will get clogged from salts in nutrient solutions. As well as not providing as much oxygen.
Hi, I have comparison charts for specs on my site. I haven't done any side by side comparisons, but I personally used the 12 disc mist maker for fogponics. I used the large black tub and an 80mm fan set on low to push a heavy flow of fog. The discs we use are lightweight ceramic, with a teflon coating. They have higher output, and resist buildup. They can be easily cleaned with vinegar allowing them to last 5000+ hours. The buildup happens on the heavy brass discs. Everything sticks to the brass like a magnet. I think a lot of the people that have problems with fogponics is inexperienced with fog. You need a lot, and you need to pump it in with fresh air. Alot of people try to run the unit inside the root zone, and this creates heat which leads to low oxygen levels. If you pipe the fog in, you get fresh oxygen, and cool air.... The roots love it! Alot of people also try to "experiment" with smaller units, and don't get adequate fog for full term growing. Thats why nutramist supplements with a drip. If you have any other questions, just let me know! Stay foggy, John
The House of Hydro Connoisseurs of fine fogs Thanks a lot for a hasty reply. Yah I read about the teflon coating helping to resist salt buildups. Thanks for elaborating.
Hi there - my question is somewhat in line with Mr Kipp's, and you've already partially answered it (thanks!). I've been doing some research into the design of aeroponic systems. One claim I've seen repeatedly on the internet is that NASA research has shown that plant roots absorb nutrients optimally when the droplet size is between 5 and 50 microns. Additionally, when the droplet size gets smaller than 5 microns, the roots do not develop well. This is the claim. I have not been able to find any published research corroborating this, or even the NASA tech report where it is stated. It could be that I just suck at this sort of research, but have a couple reasons not to take the claim at face value. First, I have seen these claims primarily on web pages where they sell the nozzles and pumps for this kind of mist generation. Second, when I do see this claim, the verbiage (which I have only paraphrased above) is nearly identical. That is, it appears to be more or less copy-pasted where ever I see it used. Since you have used fog systems, have you seen any growth problems?
squirrelflight I have definitely read an article about this from NASA. I remember the picture in the article had a fogponics setup using a tent ^ shaped unit. I did a quick search, but didn't see it.
Hi, if cloning with it, make sure you have a good amount of water in your reservoir, and reduce the airspace as much as possible so the water holds the fog near the roots. Also, use a timer to cycle the unit on and off as needed. All these will help reduce the temps for you. Thanks!
omg I'm just order one of this the same yesterday. I love watch the fogger in the plants, special in the morning or night, I hope it is going work for my medium Greenhouse inside and the winter and outside in the summer
I see your order, David. You got the 12 disc, so you should be able to take care of most greenhouses! The biggest factors are air exchange, current/target humidity, and heat/AC. If you have any other questions, just shoot me an email at John@thehouseofhydro.com Thanks!
heh cool..was planning to build the same thing. ordered a fogger disk for $4CAD a while back..figured if it lasts a month i could keep swapping them. how long do they last?
They last ALOT longer than the cheap Ebay ones. 2-5 years on avg. I have a lot of customers that have tried to go that route, but it's not worth the hassle.
Ironically, the plant root hairs that actually do the nutrient and water uptake (I just read) range between 15-17 micrometers... so it looks as if you could come up with a fogger in that droplet range you'd have a more effective product.
they may be that long, or wide, or whatever the measure was, but maybe the bigger droplets attach to the hairs differently if they are too small, like 15-17um it may not coincidentally prefer droplets the same size as the hairs, but maybe bigger as the research suggests... but if anything new comes up ide much enjoy if you could update me and anyone else finding this
It really depends on the amount of fog effect that you want. A single disc mismaker will cover the top of a standard size Halloween cauldron with fog and some of it will whisp over the edge. You could go all the way up to a 12 disc unit, and you will have fog pouring out all over the place and across the ground :-)
Can you use one of these atomizers for watering a simple potted plant on a timer? If you have any experience with this then what sort of setup and timing would I use?
just to clarify I'm growing mimosa pudica in a basement apartment, the seeds are from the philippines, having been there I'm sure it wants a lot of humidity.
Know this is old but a 15$ tried and true fog machine would work better since it’s that short time it shouldn’t bother anyone with breathing problems and no risk of frying an amp or board laying on the ground/ slip hazard for you. Also look into just dropping a couple cubes of dry ice into a bucket for an effect more like this just depends on ventilation
Heat is controlled through using a timer with an oversized unit to prevent long run times. Using a fan to move the fog into the root zone helps keep the temps down by intoducing cool air into the flow. Here is some info I give all my fogponic growers to help get you started... Choosing the right size isn't always easy. Everyone's setup is different, and judging the amount of fog you are seeing isn't as easy as judging water. For 100% fogponic grows, the biggest mistake is buying too small of a unit and not getting enough fog. It has to be VERY thick. Just because you see fog, doesn't mean that you have enough to feed a plant. It's always hard to give an exact model to use, but bigger is almost always better. I always recommend buying the largest unit you are comfortable affording, and here's why... The bigger units put out the fog very fast, and reduce the required run time, thus reducing your water temps and creating a very dense fog. To get the fog thick, you need to run the fan as slow as possible to get the fog into the root zone. The more air you add into the fog, the more diluted/ thinner your fog is. I almost always recommend our 80mm fan for fogponics. The 120mm is overkill unless you have a very large setup. You can also use our auto fill float to allow your system to hook directly up to a water source. A 6-12 disc unit is typically advised for 100% fogponic grows with multiple sites. You can use a smaller unit if you have a water chiller or large reservoir (so you can extend your run times) or if you do a hybrid grow such as fog with a shallow DWC or NFT. In other words, the bottom 25% of the root is in nutrient water, and the top 75% is in fog. You can use a smaller unit with this method Typically a 3-5 disc for multiple sites, or a single disc for a 5 gallon bucket type grow. To get a starting point for cycle times, turn on your Mist Maker and run it until the fog is as dense as possible in the root zone. This is your on-time. Shut off your Mist Maker and see how long it takes for most of the fog to dissipate. This is your off time. This will give you a good starting point for your cycle times. It is hard to give you exact times as every setup is so different. thehouseofhydro.com/fog-blog.html has alot of FAQ's and our DIY videos will show you how to put together a machine for fogponic grows. A larger unit will require a setup like the video here. If you have any other questions, just let me know!
How much does the temperature rise in that exact box, with that unit? Also can one of those 12 head units grow a bell pepper or tomato plant in that size box?
Nicholas Plesko it depends on so many different things, the amount of time you're letting it run, whether or not you have one of our autofill floats, how much water is in the container to start, what the temperature of your external environment is at when you bring in air to push the fog out... So many things.
Nicholas Plesko as far as Peppers go, yes you could grow in that box, but you don't want to grow in the same container that you are Mist maker is in. You need a separate container to feed the fog into. That's how you can avoid the temperature issue.
The House of Hydro Ultrasonic Mist Maker Supply Do you have a reference for how long to run the fogger for a basic 6 plant set up? I know the high pressure systems do a 3 second spray every 5 minutes. Since this isn’t high pressure would this need a longer spray?
Hello, I have a ochids greenhouse. 4x4x4 meters. How many of these hydro ultrasonic mist maker I need? I must to keep humidity around 70%. I live in Argentina but I can buy for you? sorry with my bad english!! Daniel
I'm sorry, I must have missed this message along time ago! There are a lot of different variables, but you will probably need a 6-12 disk unit. If you're still interested, send me an email at john@thehouseofhydro.com
If you are using it as a humidifier, I don't forsee any problems.. unless you are using dirty water. They create water in the air, just like any other humidifier would....only MUCH more.
Its just a speaker that vibrate at ultasonic frequency soo no it wont do anything beside changing water into air (and root will take nutrient from those air)
hi, I'm sorry I didn't see this until now. If you check out our Facebook page, or maybe the blog on our website, we have a picture of a customer that made a ghost Rider costume. He has fog flames coming out of the top of his head.
weepingod I'm not sure, but I would assume that if food coloring is water soluble, there would be no reason why it wouldn't. We currently have waste fog at a lab for testing, I will let you know how it goes. Stay foggy, John
The House of Hydro Ultrasonic Mist Maker Supply What is the performance if recycled water is used (water will sediments 10-15%)? What are the sizes of the droplets? Thinking of using this as dust suppression in mining industries.
The size of the mist makers droplets is between 3-5 microns. Mist Makers work very well for dust suppression. I have a pet store that is a dealer of mine. They have open top pens with shredder newspaper for all the puppies. He was having a big dust problem, and we installed a 12 head unit with a fan, and it worked perfectly. I'm not sure what you mean about the recycled water... will it be 15% sediment? They will operate well in dirty ponds though. Regards, John
I'm not sure the exact size of this tub. If you are using a 9 disc or larger unit, you will probably want the 27 gallon tub. I think this one is probably 15
Any chance House of Hydro will be running special discounts for Black Friday? I'm set on the 12 disc kit plus all the controls, fan, and humidity probe.
We have success without chillers using oversized units on a timer. As well as smaller units with a Kratchy-like method with the top 2/3 of the root in fog, and the bottom in DWC.
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Still coming back to this 10 years later.
0:32 with notes on. "We have big things going on"
Comparisons between Mist and Fogger systems please. Have you done any grow cycles using both systems simultaneously using the same exact clones, nutrient solutions, and schedule? What temperature do you generally keep your reservoirs at? I've heard the foggers will get clogged from salts in nutrient solutions. As well as not providing as much oxygen.
Hi,
I have comparison charts for specs on my site. I haven't done any side by side comparisons, but I personally used the 12 disc mist maker for fogponics. I used the large black tub and an 80mm fan set on low to push a heavy flow of fog.
The discs we use are lightweight ceramic, with a teflon coating. They have higher output, and resist buildup. They can be easily cleaned with vinegar allowing them to last 5000+ hours. The buildup happens on the heavy brass discs. Everything sticks to the brass like a magnet.
I think a lot of the people that have problems with fogponics is inexperienced with fog. You need a lot, and you need to pump it in with fresh air. Alot of people try to run the unit inside the root zone, and this creates heat which leads to low oxygen levels. If you pipe the fog in, you get fresh oxygen, and cool air.... The roots love it! Alot of people also try to "experiment" with smaller units, and don't get adequate fog for full term growing. Thats why nutramist supplements with a drip.
If you have any other questions, just let me know!
Stay foggy,
John
The House of Hydro Connoisseurs of fine fogs
Thanks a lot for a hasty reply. Yah I read about the teflon coating helping to resist salt buildups. Thanks for elaborating.
John Kipp any time!
Hi there - my question is somewhat in line with Mr Kipp's, and you've already partially answered it (thanks!).
I've been doing some research into the design of aeroponic systems. One claim I've seen repeatedly on the internet is that NASA research has shown that plant roots absorb nutrients optimally when the droplet size is between 5 and 50 microns. Additionally, when the droplet size gets smaller than 5 microns, the roots do not develop well. This is the claim. I have not been able to find any published research corroborating this, or even the NASA tech report where it is stated.
It could be that I just suck at this sort of research, but have a couple reasons not to take the claim at face value. First, I have seen these claims primarily on web pages where they sell the nozzles and pumps for this kind of mist generation. Second, when I do see this claim, the verbiage (which I have only paraphrased above) is nearly identical. That is, it appears to be more or less copy-pasted where ever I see it used.
Since you have used fog systems, have you seen any growth problems?
squirrelflight I have definitely read an article about this from NASA. I remember the picture in the article had a fogponics setup using a tent ^ shaped unit. I did a quick search, but didn't see it.
I hate to admit I didn't even notice the very quality fogger in this video. I watched this a few times, I just can't draw my eyes away to the fogger.
How do I keep the water temperature down. I've just bought the 5 disc model. The water temperature is way to high for cloning
Hi, if cloning with it, make sure you have a good amount of water in your reservoir, and reduce the airspace as much as possible so the water holds the fog near the roots. Also, use a timer to cycle the unit on and off as needed. All these will help reduce the temps for you. Thanks!
Like the intro! I admire people who can draw
Thank you! It's about 50/50 with the intro... some people hate it...lol
This looks really cool! Can you grow vegetables all the way to harvest with this method and does it work with all varieties?
Any idea how much water this particular model evaporates per hour?
How does one know how much fog is needed? Are spray nozzles also required?
Hi, we have more info here! thehouseofhydro.com/pages/mist-maker-faqs-html
omg I'm just order one of this the same yesterday. I love watch the fogger in the plants, special in the morning or night, I hope it is going work for my medium Greenhouse inside and the winter and outside in the summer
I see your order, David. You got the 12 disc, so you should be able to take care of most greenhouses! The biggest factors are air exchange, current/target humidity, and heat/AC. If you have any other questions, just shoot me an email at John@thehouseofhydro.com
Thanks!
The House of Hydro Ultrasonic Mist Maker Supply. Ok, Cool thank you.
What is the name and where did you order..
heh cool..was planning to build the same thing. ordered a fogger disk for $4CAD a while back..figured if it lasts a month i could keep swapping them. how long do they last?
They last ALOT longer than the cheap Ebay ones. 2-5 years on avg. I have a lot of customers that have tried to go that route, but it's not worth the hassle.
Hello, I have a butterfly greenhouse and I need the air to be more humid. Will this thing work? Or its only for decoration? + Will fog go up or not?
Nasa recommends 30-50 micron droplets for growing veg through fogponics and most ultrasonic foggers do between 5-10 microns. What are your specs?
Ironically, the plant root hairs that actually do the nutrient and water uptake (I just read) range between 15-17 micrometers... so it looks as if you could come up with a fogger in that droplet range you'd have a more effective product.
they may be that long, or wide, or whatever the measure was, but maybe the bigger droplets attach to the hairs differently if they are too small, like 15-17um
it may not coincidentally prefer droplets the same size as the hairs, but maybe bigger as the research suggests... but if anything new comes up ide much enjoy if you could update me and anyone else finding this
these are the kinds of fine-toothed comb stats that make a difference in the fine art of perfection
I am looking to do a Halloween Prop of a witches cauldron that will be outside. What mist/fog machine would you recommend?
It really depends on the amount of fog effect that you want. A single disc mismaker will cover the top of a standard size Halloween cauldron with fog and some of it will whisp over the edge. You could go all the way up to a 12 disc unit, and you will have fog pouring out all over the place and across the ground :-)
Is it possible to make larger single piece ultrasonic generators? Larger piezo wafers?
We are currently experimenting with 25 mm disks. Keep an eye on our website or subscribe for future updates!
Cool! I look forward to seeing the results.
Can you use one of these atomizers for watering a simple potted plant on a timer? If you have any experience with this then what sort of setup and timing would I use?
just to clarify I'm growing mimosa pudica in a basement apartment, the seeds are from the philippines, having been there I'm sure it wants a lot of humidity.
You can use these to raise humidity, but they will not water plants growing in dirt. You can grow hydroponically with them though.
Thats the way to humidify a room fast.
Would it damage the humidifier to add colloidal liquid silver to the water?
you gonna reverse a whole room lol :)
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Sheesh
I am looking for something that will give me enough fog for a stage performance for about 5 minutes, will this provide enough fog?
Know this is old but a 15$ tried and true fog machine would work better since it’s that short time it shouldn’t bother anyone with breathing problems and no risk of frying an amp or board laying on the ground/ slip hazard for you. Also look into just dropping a couple cubes of dry ice into a bucket for an effect more like this just depends on ventilation
I need help troubleshooting my digital programmer
Hi, shoot me an email with more details to john@thehouseofhydro.com
I guess I'm the only one who actually came here for the fogger
Can we put candy inside a mist maker
Awesome! How much $$$ does the 12 head unit cost?
Check our website store… ThehouseofHydro.com
Do you need special plant nutrients to use with the mister, or can you use things like General Hydroponics flora?
Any clear, water soluble fertilizer will work fine.
How much does the temperature rise when using this type of equipment?
Cathy Cutler it depends on the size of the fogger and your run times. It also depends on the amount of water that you are using.
Hi can i buy it..how much is it ?
How do you control the heat??
Heat is controlled through using a timer with an oversized unit to prevent long run times. Using a fan to move the fog into the root zone helps keep the temps down by intoducing cool air into the flow. Here is some info I give all my fogponic growers to help get you started...
Choosing the right size isn't always easy. Everyone's setup is different, and judging the amount of fog you are seeing isn't as easy as judging water. For 100% fogponic grows, the biggest mistake is buying too small of a unit and not getting enough fog. It has to be VERY thick. Just because you see fog, doesn't mean that you have enough to feed a plant. It's always hard to give an exact model to use, but bigger is almost always better. I always recommend buying the largest unit you are comfortable affording, and here's why...
The bigger units put out the fog very fast, and reduce the required run time, thus reducing your water temps and creating a very dense fog. To get the fog thick, you need to run the fan as slow as possible to get the fog into the root zone. The more air you add into the fog, the more diluted/ thinner your fog is. I almost always recommend our 80mm fan for fogponics. The 120mm is overkill unless you have a very large setup. You can also use our auto fill float to allow your system to hook directly up to a water source.
A 6-12 disc unit is typically advised for 100% fogponic grows with multiple sites. You can use a smaller unit if you have a water chiller or large reservoir (so you can extend your run times) or if you do a hybrid grow such as fog with a shallow DWC or NFT. In other words, the bottom 25% of the root is in nutrient water, and the top 75% is in fog. You can use a smaller unit with this method Typically a 3-5 disc for multiple sites, or a single disc for a 5 gallon bucket type grow. To get a starting point for cycle times, turn on your Mist Maker and run it until the fog is as dense as possible in the root zone. This is your on-time. Shut off your Mist Maker and see how long it takes for most of the fog to dissipate. This is your off time. This will give you a good starting point for your cycle times. It is hard to give you exact times as every setup is so different.
thehouseofhydro.com/fog-blog.html has alot of FAQ's and our DIY videos will show you how to put together a machine for fogponic grows. A larger unit will require a setup like the video here.
If you have any other questions, just let me know!
How much does the temperature rise in that exact box, with that unit? Also can one of those 12 head units grow a bell pepper or tomato plant in that size box?
Nicholas Plesko it depends on so many different things, the amount of time you're letting it run, whether or not you have one of our autofill floats, how much water is in the container to start, what the temperature of your external environment is at when you bring in air to push the fog out... So many things.
Nicholas Plesko as far as Peppers go, yes you could grow in that box, but you don't want to grow in the same container that you are Mist maker is in. You need a separate container to feed the fog into. That's how you can avoid the temperature issue.
The House of Hydro Ultrasonic Mist Maker Supply Do you have a reference for how long to run the fogger for a basic 6 plant set up? I know the high pressure systems do a 3 second spray every 5 minutes. Since this isn’t high pressure would this need a longer spray?
Nicholas Plesko it's a bit different than an aeroponic setup. Shoot me an email at john@thehouseofhydro.com
And I'll get you set up.
Are foggers safe for use in koi ponds?
Yes, the are safe in fish tanks also! Check out our other videos.
Hello, I have a ochids greenhouse. 4x4x4 meters. How many of these hydro ultrasonic mist maker I need? I must to keep humidity around 70%. I live in Argentina but I can buy for you? sorry with my bad english!! Daniel
I'm sorry, I must have missed this message along time ago! There are a lot of different variables, but you will probably need a 6-12 disk unit. If you're still interested, send me an email at john@thehouseofhydro.com
are there any health hazards from these mist generators?
If you are using it as a humidifier, I don't forsee any problems.. unless you are using dirty water. They create water in the air, just like any other humidifier would....only MUCH more.
Zagisa no i don't think so
What are they made of? Aluminium, particularly, isnot good near food.
@@seacook42 are you stupid
Its just a speaker that vibrate at ultasonic frequency soo no it wont do anything beside changing water into air (and root will take nutrient from those air)
Any chance you guys could make a custom one for costume FX? I would love to get realistic flame fx using this and lighting techniques
hi, I'm sorry I didn't see this until now. If you check out our Facebook page, or maybe the blog on our website, we have a picture of a customer that made a ghost Rider costume. He has fog flames coming out of the top of his head.
what about the fertz in the water, i mean wouldn't they separate with the water when it turns to mist?
Not at all. The fertilizer is water soluble and is carried by the mist just as well as the water. I'm sure of it! :-)
John Broadhead so if i were to put food coloring in the water then the fog wud change color too? wud that be a fair test?
weepingod I'm not sure, but I would assume that if food coloring is water soluble, there would be no reason why it wouldn't. We currently have waste fog at a lab for testing, I will let you know how it goes.
Stay foggy,
John
weepingod i was thinking the same shit the other day...
Honda Travis the real prob is the increase in temperature, it will end up cooking the roots and plants wont grow
Great Cans! ♥️
It's time to get foggy.....
how much?
We sell them here. Cost of shipping is included with purchase. Thanks!
thehouseofhydro.com/store1.html
Just seeing the video, I'm impressed at how quickly the fog covered the water.
hey thems the 1.7 mhz speakers I saw rebuilt on another channel
can it be used in seawater?
Yes it can. The denser the water, the lower the output though.
The House of Hydro Ultrasonic Mist Maker Supply What is the performance if recycled water is used (water will sediments 10-15%)? What are the sizes of the droplets? Thinking of using this as dust suppression in mining industries.
The size of the mist makers droplets is between 3-5 microns. Mist Makers work very well for dust suppression. I have a pet store that is a dealer of mine. They have open top pens with shredder newspaper for all the puppies. He was having a big dust problem, and we installed a 12 head unit with a fan, and it worked perfectly.
I'm not sure what you mean about the recycled water... will it be 15% sediment? They will operate well in dirty ponds though.
Regards, John
What size tub is this?
I'm not sure the exact size of this tub. If you are using a 9 disc or larger unit, you will probably want the 27 gallon tub. I think this one is probably 15
@@TheHouseofHydro ok thanks. The 27 is what I have.
Any chance House of Hydro will be running special discounts for Black Friday? I'm set on the 12 disc kit plus all the controls, fan, and humidity probe.
what stores do u get that?
Holy cow, I don't know how this has slipped by me for two years! You can purchase them at thehouseofhydro.com
Without a Big Chiller Fogponic is a Nightmare. This huge Fogger will heat the Nutrient solution very fast.
We have success without chillers using oversized units on a timer. As well as smaller units with a Kratchy-like method with the top 2/3 of the root in fog, and the bottom in DWC.
@@TheHouseofHydro how many ppm of nutrients can the 12 disc model carry in the fog ??
Will system work without boobies?
Flash Retro definitely! But they do make everything better.
mama!
Where's the "how to" !?
Check out our page at www.thehouseofhydro.com/fogponics.html for instructions on making a fan powered mist maker for fogponics.
was she wearing lingerie?
Surely you're not complaining!
dont call him sherley.
Baigle1 you dumb