@@RobbieStacks90 Or maybe... just maybe... you live in a police state? Maybe the reason why there is so much crime is because America overpolices poor communities, which keeps them poor and drives them towards more crime... No country has even close to the police presence of America, and yet the country has insane ammounts of crime. It's almost as if police presence if making crime worse and not the contrary. It's almost as if America needs urgent police reform and funding of welfare systems to actually lower crime. If only Americans could see what is so obvious to every other developed country...
Gang mentality. They feel safe with their buddies around, but can't understand why a person feels unsafe with 6 armed people known for abuse of power surrounding them.
@@hashbrown4781 Cops are literally trained to think that EVERYBODY is a dangerous criminal and they're CONSTANTLY surrounded by threats. Also, they can't even wipe their butts without half the department for backup. And yes, cops are indeed a gang, the biggest, most dangerous gang of all (and often even cartels).
@@hashbrown4781 Yes. The lack of self-awareness of these cops is astounding. They exist in their own little bubble, cut off from the reality that the rest of us normal people live in.
I’m from Newark. I can personally testify that the young men and women on this force are absolute goof balls with no real understanding of their duties to protect and uphold constitutional rights. They are used to being over aggressive because they usually deal with more serious crimes. I’ll give an example: if they’re dealing with a drug dealer or a murderer, they’re fine, but dealing with innocent citizens isn’t their strong suit. They’re like over aggressive dogs. Great when they bite an intruder in the ass, horrible when they bite your neighbors kid for no reason.
@@justicedemocrat9357 he's quite literally denouncing newark cops lmao. just because he says that they're good in some circumstances doesn't mean that he's saying that they're good in all, as you can tell from quite literally the second sentence.
Even if the officer knows that they are not allowed to ask they will still keep trying because if they run you and get something they win. They will then put you in the system and then anytime they are close they will get you. They will find your car, house and they will try and get you. They hold grudges. When a video like this happens people need to make the call out to bring 100s if not thousands of auditors out and about and show a force that will piss off the police and train them and teach them that you can not request ID. For every audit or for every video in major cities you could ideally get 100s of people to show up. Use social media to get people to show up in force.
@@steverogers7601 They don't because its all the same script they use for everyone. Just more I need you ID because I am investigating. Even if they know they can not get an ID they still push over and over till a supervisor tells them to stop. Keep in mind it does not matter to them because they have qualified immunity.
What's so frustrating about this is, "we need your ID for the report"... no, you don't. In reports "subject unknown to me" is fully acceptable and holds legal merit
The real reason they want that ID is so they can check if you have active warrants and so they can have you on file as a possible suspect if something happens in that area during the day they interacted with you in that area. This is why its important that you don’t ID yourself if you don’t have to.
@@UnkleRuckusNoRelationMy understanding for the reason they insist on ID is to check for warrants, they use the reason of putting it on a report because if they told you they want to check you for warrants you might be less likely to give your ID. Either way we have a constitutional right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures which this one falls under so the reasoning for not giving the ID is really of no consequence, we have the right to not ID and we don't even have to explain ourself. The burden of proof is on the officers, but notice how they switch it and want you to prove yourself. Not all of them but it seems to be a common tactic which has an effect on how people view officers. It's tyrannical behavior like this that puts a disconnect between officers and the people they serve
This gentleman deserves an A plus, imo. He maintained his composure and articulated his argument quite well. The publisher of this video has to appreciate the level of stress being imposed. These officers may deal with this type of stop and detention every day. The general public are typically not trained to politely argue and mitigate a traffic stop.
Considering that Newark is the most dangerous city in New Jersey and was the car theft capital of the world not too long ago, I'd say the cops were justified in their actions. The cameraman appeared to be up to no good.
The cop literally said at 5:15 "our suspicion is dispelled, but we still need to identify the person you are speaking with." You give the citizen a B+ for contesting reasonable suspicion (he had not committed a crime), but the cop admitted this fact to him at 5:15.
The cops own words turned this one. They WOULD have had grounds if they asked first, but to late and having such a big mouth tool that lol! If they'd asked him from jump , before they dispelled suspicion, they'd have had grounds and made the citizen within their right to ask or even demand id
That’s the thing with auditors some times. They could just leave the scene if they wanted to or deescalate but they want to milk the situation as much as possible, which I understand some times if the cops just look super bad and you’re pursuing the lawsuit route.
@@Jesuspaid4oursinsfree to leave free to stay. Don’t make it anything it’s not unless you’re just bias and have some sort of hero complex. If so you need to find real heroes
In fact they care _only_ about their report. In most cases we see on TH-cam it's obvious that the cops know from the get-go that the guy is no threat to anything, there's no law enforcement problem they are going to address, and nothing to "investigate". Looking at their body language you can see that they don't even listen and could not care less. The only thing they care about is their report they need to close by reporting that they checked someone's ID and thus solved the problem. Their whole existence and pretense that they somehow provide security is one big lie. Whenever the situation becomes really "insecure", "officer safety" immediately comes into picture, and "the scene" becomes completely clear of any cops, as we see in one school shooting after another.
I live in Newark, NJ. The cops here do this all the time. They are constantly harassing residents here for no reason. They pulled the same line on my husband and detained him for 3 hours! They will stop you and detain you on "suspicion of someone that matches your description that they are investigating" bc they don't like the way you look. But when I called the police bc someone was trying to mug me, they hung up on me and never called back or showed up to the scene. I, along with other Newark residents, have pics on my Facebook account of officers asleep in their cruiser while on duty! Several officers have been fired bc of this! There are several precincts in Newark that all NEED to be investigated!!! The cops here are out of control. Citizens here are genuinely afraid of the police. They need to be stopped!!!
I have an overwhelming respect for KB for grading himself on this matter. I feel a lot of people do not take the time for self reflection and understand what they did wrong and KB shows that he is a very responsible person for the self reflection and wanting to learn from his mistakes and grow to become a better person. Hats off to you man!
Why can't you see these frauditors for what they really are? They are not "Journalists" fighting for imaginary rights. What they do has nothing to do with education. It has nothing to do with auditing. It has nothing to do with the constitution . What it IS about is harassing and smart mouthing the police, staff and public at these sites trying to provoke a confrontation to impress their loathsome followers for more likes and views for the TH-cam dollars.Simple as that.
Arguably they are required to per the 4th amendment. Otherwise, what is being argued, is that it is completely reasonable for any armed person to hold someone without giving any reason and citizens must always obey any order given by such armed person, or else be subject to violence including but not limited to lethal force. That means, IMO, per the 4th amendment all detainments and especially arrests without giving RAS/PC and citing/quoting law being enforced is criminal conduct and should result in criminal charges. Especially in cases like this where they are violating 4th amendment rights purely because someone called and told the cops that they believed someone might be exercising their 2a rights. That is both felony conspiracy against rights and felony deprivation of rights under USC 18.13.241 and 242. Multiple counts for every, single, officer.
Do you want to reduce violence or do you want nice sound bites? We need to go into high crime areas and institute stop and frisk to get illegal guns off the streets and arrest people with warrants. This "tying the hands of police" results in more crime.
As long as they face no punishment for violating our rights, they have no incentive to change that practice. "We got a call ..." "Then you need to go arrest whoever submitted that false report."
Well that might make people less likely to call police if something actual is happening. I’d rather the police know how to do their actual job and once they Dispel the suspicion they let people go, no asking ID, none of that BS. Just a quick “Alright sir/m’am have a nice day/night.” Over in 3-5 minutes.
@@Sondan1988 actually they do... if you demand to speak with a lawyer and they refuse, and continue the conversation, it can all be thrown out. Learn at least the VERY basics of law before you talk out of your ass, mmm'k???
@Sondan1988 not meaning to disagree. Where I'm from that when invoking an attorney during investigation, interviews or interrogates. They have to stop or they violate the constitution of right to counsel
@@Sondan1988 No I'm afraid that you are wrong. When you invoke your right to remain silent the police officers do not have to stop questioning you or even talking. If you slip up and start answering questions then you've just waved the right to remain silent that you initially invoked. However, when you ask for an attorney the cops must stop asking questions and cannot demand that you sign anything. Furthermore, if you slip up and answer a question it is inadmissible because it should not have happened without your attorney present to begin with.
The manipulation and extended illegal detention should automatically make this a D or F. Not to mention, they weren't professional and were being selfish. Not being loud and obnoxious doesn't constitute professional. They were unprofessional bullies. I agree with the B+ mainly because of him talking too much. He should've called his supervisor and remained quiet until they crossed the line for violating his rights (easier said than done). It's wild that we can suggest all these things but, until you're in that situation, you don't know how you will respond.
If you give these guys an F, then what do you give the guys that do x10 worse? The interaction was fine, and they allowed the citizen to leave without much resistance in the end. They obviously have things they need to brush up on, but they didn't escalate like a lot of police normally do. As far as interactions go, I'd be perfectly fine with having an interaction like this.
I hate how entitled cops are. Genuinely get so upset when people refuse and request for which they have every right not to comply. Currently reading we own this city.... Yikes
@@RobbieStacks90 PIgs are more likely to get problems due to their attitude. Tell your pigs to behave or someone will treat them as they deserved. Remember what happened in Dulles.
@@RobbieStacks90Why don't the officers start by showing respect? If they respected peoples rights then they would get respected in return. They know that citizens are not required by law to identify themselves if they aren't under legal arrest so why do they keep pushing for id? What part of them lying to him to see his id was respectful? What part of him seeing through their lies and legally declining was disrespectful? Its not hard to see the truth.
Has anybody noticed that these cops by stopping a government worker while he was trying to do his job they are actually comitting obstruction of a government worker by physical force. The government of Newark should file a lawsuit against itself.
What do you expect out of a police department in New Jersey? They already violate numerous other rights as a state, like "shall not be infringed". They are tyrants, and we all know how tyrants should be dealt with.
As an on -duty city worker, the police "obstructed... a government function... by physical interference..." And notice how they form and maintain a ring around him in an intimidating way, despite having immediately concluding he's not suspected of any crime. End of the video also clearly shows that the police blocked the street, so not only was the stop extended, but they were impeding traffic. Police should not be above the law.
Cops should be forced to watch every video on this channel as part of their training. It’s ridiculous how many cops are running around in the streets not knowing that exactly their “powers” are and what aren’t.
See, believing that would change anything is why they've been allowed to run amok like they have. These aren't behaviours that can be trained out of police. These are people who have become police to exercise these abuses over people. Until there are repercussions for their actions you can spend all the training money in the world on police and you'll still see daily videos of new abuses.
Yes, please. Ive seen too many videos where the officers think their feelings are the law. Also serious mental testing to weed out the psychopaths and narcissist out in early stages of training is a must, that alone would make huge difference.
It's not a false report, they just detained the first black guy they saw. It could've been worse, like that cop who lied about not being issued cards who rolled up hot and just arrested the first two people he saw where there wasn't even a description at all.
(a) the caller was unidentified (b) if the caller made the call in good faith, then it's not a false report. It's false only if the caller knowingly lied to 9-1-1.
"You're making it harder! You're making it harder!" No, the constitution is making it harder *on you.* It's making it very easy for him. And that's exactly why those rights are guaranteed to him.
That dude is the most dangerous kind of bad cop. Cuz he's not raging, he stays calm, and tries to make you think he IS respecting your rights (and probably thinks he is) while he continues to violate them. It's disarming and leads to people allowing their rights to be violated.
It's a reflex. All they do is traffic stops until they get a false call like this - because of that, they have the muscle memory metaphorically speaking to ID the contacted person no matter what because during a traffic stop you must identify and prove you have a license to operate a motor vehicle unless the stop is unlawful, but then again as another commenter said we are expected to be lawyers and judges and hope we don't get assaulted in the event that we are brought to a robed bundle of sticks with a gavel that often goes where the Sun don't shine who then judges whether or not we were right. The time for discussions and debate is over when the stupidity of the programmed individual is in play.
@@sa-amirel-hayeed699 BS excuse, muscle memory doesn't work for 20 minutes ... Let's apply what you said to idk a machine operator in a factory, here we go: 'Sorry for killing that dude, usually I move only 20 lbs at a time but today I was moving 19000 lbs ... hehe oops muscle memory'
@@iCortex1 tell that to the special operators who fight for days on end on autopilot, who are barely conscious without sleep and injuries but can perform their injury drills under extreme duress... Because they have trained their mind and their body to such an extent it is automatic. Do 10,000 traffic stops where everyone IDs you will have a neurotic fixation on the one that didn't.
Great Job Sir, I wish more people would defy them and put cops in their place. He didn't have to answer any questions. He did not even need to talk to them.
Wow! I cannot WAIT to see the outcome of this. We the People need to make sure they are held accountable. Please post the number to Gaylor’s office so that we can call and demand accountability.
There was controversy a few years back when it was discovered that certain police stations deny applicants who score too high on the IQ test. Sounds ridiculous but one Google search will show. They want dumb.
Hopefully he files a lawsuit and it teaches all police that their policies aren’t the law of the land and they don’t have the right to violate protections because they feel they’re entitled to
Demand to see that report. I bet that even if an actual report exists, there will be huge discrepancies in the actual description of the purported suspect and this man.
When that officer said "We've been respectful too." I would've said "Oh yeah, I feel completely respected while being surrounded by officers without being told why I'm being stopped....."
Just thanking you for your amazing service and for bringing awareness of their rights to citizens and especially for your legal references to explain explain the law and court cases!!
These cops literally cannot fathom having a conversation with citizens without demanding I.D. Literally incapable of functioning without all of your information in their possession. Pathetic.
Manipulating the ID refusal into a "Obstruction" charge is for one thing and one thing only, giving the false reason as "completing their paperwork" the real reason is to run the ID through the data bases for wants and warrants. Then they have someone to arrest if there is a warrant justifying their jobs.
Obstruction is nice and vague and easily exploitable to ruin lives with impunity. That's why bad cops love it. (Along with "resisting" and "disorderly"; those are the three magic-spells cops love to cast to poof people away to the dungeon. 😠)
and you are saying you dont want people with a warrant out arrested? and you are saying this guy is specifically not giving the guys his ID because he has a warrant out aka he broke the law... are you stupid?
It’s a particular damning indictment of the system when we’re grading police based on what they didn’t do rather than what they did do. They get a C for misunderstanding the law and violating civil rights, but not using violence. “They failed at their job but didn’t physically harm anyone, therefore earning a passing grade” tells us how unreasonably low our expectations for LE are.
Well said. While the citizens are also graded on what they should have done if they didn't act a certain way, despite being correct about not having to comply etc.
This nation wide addiction epidemic to ID’s is getting out of control. Rehab facilities need to be opened up for these poor addicted souls, so they can receive they help they so desperately need.
The problem with your grading system is you hold citizens to a hirer standard than our police. We are expected to be lawyers to exist without our rights being infringed but police don't even need a basic understanding of the laws they enforce.
He holds them both to the same standard. The law is the standard. One would hope the cop is more learned in the law, but it doesn't seem to be the reality of the world, based on these videos. Also, many times the cop knows the law really well, to a degree they manipulate it. Often times they are playing stupid, because ignorance of the law IS a valid excuse, in a hearing about stripping QI from an officer, because intent to deny rights has to be established in the case. It's performative; they know the real law, they are just abusing the system.
Facts! I keep saying that we the people are not trained on anything about laws and order unless we actively seek the training. While 6 months is not enough training to enforce the law, it is much more than any average citizen receives.
*"VIDEO EVERYTHING AND SAY NOTHING!"* If you must speak.... Ask Questions but never answer questions! It's certainly not a consensual conversation with Cops, if they are interrogating you! Ask "what is your name and badge number?" "Am I free to go or am I being detained?" "What Crime do you suspect me of committing?"
That's is not completely true. It depends on the State. About half the States have ,"stop and ID laws". It is unfortunate that people do not always live by the law and therefore Police or Someone is necessary to enforce the Rules. To have order in society we all have agreed to trade a little of our personal freedom for safety and security. That is part of the social contract.
Besides it’s twat waffles like these frauditors that perpetuate these laws , if you can’t see that you need help. We are losing freedoms because of twat waffles throwing little tantrums
This universal belief by police across the country that once they stop someone then that person is compelled to identify themselves is frightening and is a major cause of police misconduct. This is a major issue nationwide and needs to be addressed. This country is in dire need of criminal justice reform to standardize and train all levels of law enforcement to the same level of knowledge and accountability. They all need to know what they can and can’t do by law to stop videos like these from appearing.
The police fully expect everyone around them to be disarmed. How can anyone legally determine how close someone has to be to a cop to expect to be patted down and disarmed? 5 feet? 10 feet? Everyone within a 1 mile radius? 2? It's ridiculous. They shouldn't be allowed to disarm anyone until they're actually under arrest. I know there's some bad people out there, and they might draw on a cop, but, oh well. They volunteered for that job and knew the risks involved beforehand.
@@GregBurchThe second amendment was specifically written with cops like this in mind. It is specifically there *to kill tyrants* Hunting and the like is just a happy accident
uh they do if it wasnt gotten illegally. you cant just find a weapon and be like its mine. dumbass and in some places is completely justified. dont like having to say it but cops are way more likely to be shot in a place like this. and by people with darker skin. its not even close.
People are legally allowed and disallowed to do many things, and then there is long list of exceptions and modifications for every one of those things :D And usually none of those laws are totally conclusive so you finally have to interpret it at court taking into account actual individual situation. So no, you are totally wrong. It's just not how law or even constitution has ever worked.
The only corny thing I see in this video is someone thinking it’s corny to enforce your constitutional rights while at the same time allegedly swearing an oath to protect them
Regrettably this is so...as 2023 has had more mass shooting than there have days gone by this year, I'm really getting discouraged that these good guys with guns are nothing but myths
@@koberyan2880 Cops kill 3 people per day, many unarmed and innocent of any crimes. Law abiding gun owners kill or shoot 0 zero innocent people per day.
@@archieg8009no, there are criteria that cops look for to know if you're about to bolt or pull a weapon. Target glancing, looking around for cover, taking inventory of the positions of nearby cops to decide which to shoot first by target glancing each cop... Just searching through your bag slowly after asking to look through it and given permission is not a reason to pull their guns or prepare to draw
Well they did get a call saying the guy had a hand gun, so they were most likely on edge in case he pulled out a gun. Not saying they should do that but I could understand why they might be ready for something bad to go down.
@@davebowman5152 if you're ready for something to go down, you don't spend thirty minutes repeating the same phrases expecting a different outcome OR cause something to happen. The man was standing, he was surrounded, was speaking clearly, had his hands out of his pockets, immediately identified himself as a public city worker and offered to call his supervisor at the office to verify that he was under employment with the city, didn't attempt to leave or run whatsoever, stood exactly on the same spot while speaking respectfully. None of those things indicate danger, intent of danger, or the cops feeling that there was impending danger. When things go down, it takes seconds. The police know when they are in danger, and when they are not. They also know when they packed their fishing rods for their expedition. A compliant citizen can easily be intimidated into forfeiting their rights. That's why their ego gets involved so deeply in these types of stops. They cannot handle someone who just stands up for themselves and their rights. That's why they surround you with more armed thugs.
@@davebowman5152 if they're scared something's gonna go down for a "man with a gun call" they pull up 20 deep with the swat team, the Bearcat truck and rifles and serious armor.
Oh no they know but they DEFINITELY WERE PRETENDING TO NOT BE RACIST PIECES OF SH!+ ! I almost never bring up race or the word Racist but no other word for it.
That last part always grinds my gears. I know some of these aholes know the law but play stupid to double down. Makes me sick these manchildren are armed and protected by the badge
If this man is a city worker in the sanitation department, just like the police officers, he is a public servant. As such, when approached by a police officer, the same reason he identifies himself in the service of his duties, this sanitation worker should have been obligated to do the same. Mr. KB deserves a C- as well.
As a manager, any time someone "self grades" themselves lower that I would, it shows a real honest assessment and understanding they can do better. Often, people are blind to their own mistakes, this shows he's not only aware of them but also understood their potential impact.
"I'm not trying to intimidate you" while eight gestapo are surrounding him. 🙄 It is astonishing in this day and age of videos and publicized cases that the Gestapo STILL are so ignorant, or just plain liars and don't care since qualified immunity will protect them.
5:08 U ROLLED UP ON HIM WITH 4-5 OTHER GUYS DEMANDING INFORMATION AND REFUSED UP TIL NOW TO DISCLOSE WHAT U WERE HERE FOR, THEN ACCUSE HIM OF BEING DIFFICULT FOR LEGALLY NOT DISCLOSING HIS NAME, THEN ACCUSED HIM OF ESCALATING THE SITUATION FOR CALL HIS SUPERVISOR TO VOUCHE FOR HIM. WTF DO U MEAN??
Every single police encounter turns into a fishing expedition, this one was no different. They are hoping to discover warrants or something in his background check they can arrest him for.
*There's a LOT to like here:* 1:57 _"Don't be disrespecting me, don't tell me to be quiet"_ - set the tone early, might have been better to declare his right to comment. 4:46 _"You telling me I'm not free to leave, you're not getting my ID"_ - challenging the extension of the detention if they aren't actively advancing the investigation, would have been a little better to declare this more directly. 5:14 _"Our suspicion is dispelled"_ - he got what he needed, extending the detention is illegal, nobody has any responsibility to provide info for their paperwork.
Regardless of who's "right" about whether he needed to show ID, as soon as the cop said that they no longer had suspension there was no reason for half a department to stand there wasting our money.
The problem is today, too many people do not know the law, and this is why police officers take advantage of citizens or people. This is why it's good to know something what's going on. And this way, then the more you know, the less the cops can take advantage of you.
Isn’t it nice that police don’t need to articulate the actual source of their suspicions during a stop so it it is firmly unclear if someone can leave.
It really doesn’t matter what they believe they’ve already admitted that their suspicion has been dispelled. You are not in a stop and ID state and the statute regarding detention. There doesn’t give them the authority to ID you unless they’re making an arrest or writing a citation. So their 91 call doesn’t matter their beliefs. Don’t matter their suspicions have already been dispelled.
Any public servant who tries to enforce their versions of law (IDEOLOGICAL GOALS) with use/threat of unlawful arrest aka VIOLENCE is guilty of Domestic terrorism - "Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." - FBI definition. You can bet good money that every unhinged tyrant would soon learn to respect rights and uphold actual laws when they know they can face prison time for this
Trying to educate officers is largely a useless task because they are institutionally incapable of learning from citizens. Non-auditors should insist and restate your unwillingness to ID or otherwise cooperate, protest and state the desire to be free to go and protest the extension of the stop. Just repeat endlessly until the police get tired of listening to you. For auditors, you should be well apprised of the law to make you point on camera. The actual law, not the TH-cam version of the law.
How long was he held in total? It'd be nice if you talked more about "de facto arrests". The case law seems a little split when a detainment turns into a de facto arrest. Moving the individual to a different location definitely triggers it, but when it comes to purely time, it seems like ~30 minutes is the sweet spot but again I don't think there's any definitive case law based solely on duration of detainment.
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 “In his book Three Felonies a Day, civil-liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate estimates that the average person unknowingly breaks at least three federal criminal laws every day” so have you
This must be the most convoluted job outside of their political bosses which is who they work for (not us). It’s just far too much to describe in text format. 👮🏻♂️
when you have 8 cops for no crime you have too many cops on payroll.
It's a dangerous city, and the suspect could easily have friends nearby who are looking to harm cops. There are a lot of gangstas around.
@@RobbieStacks90so everybody is treated as a gangster unless proven otherwise ?
@@RobbieStacks90 Or maybe... just maybe... you live in a police state? Maybe the reason why there is so much crime is because America overpolices poor communities, which keeps them poor and drives them towards more crime... No country has even close to the police presence of America, and yet the country has insane ammounts of crime. It's almost as if police presence if making crime worse and not the contrary. It's almost as if America needs urgent police reform and funding of welfare systems to actually lower crime. If only Americans could see what is so obvious to every other developed country...
@@RobbieStacks90So anyone and everyone should be treated as a criminal devoid of constitutional rights? What a tool.
@@RobbieStacks90are you one of those coward cops?
they really called him “corny” for knowing his constitutional rights. that’s wild.
Cops respect absolutely nothing. They are pathetic and should have psych evaluated quarterly.
Their bag of tricks didn’t seem to be working, so they decided to jump to the ridiculous.
😂l00😂0
Anything they can do to feel more powerful. Remember, these are predator animals, they prey on victims who cannot defend themselves.
Even if he had a gun is that against the law? 🙄
"we didnt come at you crazy"
Bro there is like six of you surrounding this one person, seems kind of crazy to me.
Gang mentality. They feel safe with their buddies around, but can't understand why a person feels unsafe with 6 armed people known for abuse of power surrounding them.
He meant they didn't step on his neck immediately because of the camera
@@hashbrown4781 Cops are literally trained to think that EVERYBODY is a dangerous criminal and they're CONSTANTLY surrounded by threats. Also, they can't even wipe their butts without half the department for backup. And yes, cops are indeed a gang, the biggest, most dangerous gang of all (and often even cartels).
@@hashbrown4781 Yes. The lack of self-awareness of these cops is astounding. They exist in their own little bubble, cut off from the reality that the rest of us normal people live in.
@@theflixcapacitor1372 that’s exactly what he meant 😂 in his head it came out as “you’re lucky we didn’t beat your ass”
I’m from Newark. I can personally testify that the young men and women on this force are absolute goof balls with no real understanding of their duties to protect and uphold constitutional rights. They are used to being over aggressive because they usually deal with more serious crimes. I’ll give an example: if they’re dealing with a drug dealer or a murderer, they’re fine, but dealing with innocent citizens isn’t their strong suit. They’re like over aggressive dogs. Great when they bite an intruder in the ass, horrible when they bite your neighbors kid for no reason.
Did you and the newark cops kiss on the lips?
@@justicedemocrat9357 no but me and your mom did in your bed
@@justicedemocrat9357 he's quite literally denouncing newark cops lmao. just because he says that they're good in some circumstances doesn't mean that he's saying that they're good in all, as you can tell from quite literally the second sentence.
Good point. If these cops are that amped up, they should work in the gang unit
Being a fan of hiphop culture and being a cop doesn’t go hand in hand. These guys could be on the corner slanging dope judging by their attitude
Stood up for himself without throwing a fit, stayed respectful great job.
Mf being respectful they are trying to harass and collect. Then violate and arrest. They are not respectful.
@@wood-wheel-wizardWere you impaired when reading this comment?
The cops admit that they want his ID because of their protocol. Those policies that violate the constitution need to go.
Municipal cops are a policy that violates the Constitution.
It's not even part of their protocol either, he's straight up lying ...
Even if the officer knows that they are not allowed to ask they will still keep trying because if they run you and get something they win. They will then put you in the system and then anytime they are close they will get you. They will find your car, house and they will try and get you. They hold grudges.
When a video like this happens people need to make the call out to bring 100s if not thousands of auditors out and about and show a force that will piss off the police and train them and teach them that you can not request ID.
For every audit or for every video in major cities you could ideally get 100s of people to show up. Use social media to get people to show up in force.
I wonder how many cops watch this channel and take notes on how to change up.
@@steverogers7601 They don't because its all the same script they use for everyone. Just more I need you ID because I am investigating. Even if they know they can not get an ID they still push over and over till a supervisor tells them to stop. Keep in mind it does not matter to them because they have qualified immunity.
What's so frustrating about this is, "we need your ID for the report"... no, you don't. In reports "subject unknown to me" is fully acceptable and holds legal merit
Exactly, it's not the responsibility nor obligations of Americans to assist cops!
The real reason they want that ID is so they can check if you have active warrants and so they can have you on file as a possible suspect if something happens in that area during the day they interacted with you in that area. This is why its important that you don’t ID yourself if you don’t have to.
I see this over and over and it seems the police requiring their reports have someone's name on there legal or not is the problem.
No what is frustrating is that some state are so out of aline with the Constitution that someone can't carry a firearm in this state.
@@UnkleRuckusNoRelationMy understanding for the reason they insist on ID is to check for warrants, they use the reason of putting it on a report because if they told you they want to check you for warrants you might be less likely to give your ID. Either way we have a constitutional right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures which this one falls under so the reasoning for not giving the ID is really of no consequence, we have the right to not ID and we don't even have to explain ourself. The burden of proof is on the officers, but notice how they switch it and want you to prove yourself. Not all of them but it seems to be a common tactic which has an effect on how people view officers. It's tyrannical behavior like this that puts a disconnect between officers and the people they serve
When the officer said his suspicion has been dispelled, the encounter should have ended.
B-b-b-but paperwooooooooork. 🤷
Exactly. The stop immediately turned into armed kidnapping at that instant.
Bingo!
At that point Mr KB would have been within his rights to bid them good day and walk away. Probably wouldn't have been wise to do so though.
Yeah he's entitled to a big ass check from being illegally detained at this point.
That guy deserved a triple A for the way he handled that.
This gentleman deserves an A plus, imo. He maintained his composure and articulated his argument quite well. The publisher of this video has to appreciate the level of stress being imposed. These officers may deal with this type of stop and detention every day.
The general public are typically not trained to politely argue and mitigate a traffic stop.
He doesn't always grade some people on the same curve.
Lots of pressure to do as he did while facing this many stupid pigs.
Yeah..he was fearless. The commentators voice is irritating, he sounds like a karen. 😊
@@bobcat4100I love his voice. It’s so nice. 😊
More cops who keep demanding ID.This is what 6 months of training gets you.
cop: "the suspicion has been dispelled but we still need your id" HOW ARE ALL THESE COPS SO BRAINDEAD
Considering that Newark is the most dangerous city in New Jersey and was the car theft capital of the world not too long ago, I'd say the cops were justified in their actions. The cameraman appeared to be up to no good.
@@RobbieStacks90smh
@@RobbieStacks90either bad trolling or you love those boots
@@RobbieStacks90bruhhh
The cop literally said at 5:15 "our suspicion is dispelled, but we still need to identify the person you are speaking with." You give the citizen a B+ for contesting reasonable suspicion (he had not committed a crime), but the cop admitted this fact to him at 5:15.
The cops own words turned this one. They WOULD have had grounds if they asked first, but to late and having such a big mouth tool that lol! If they'd asked him from jump , before they dispelled suspicion, they'd have had grounds and made the citizen within their right to ask or even demand id
EXACTLY !! BOOM !! No ID and bye bye.
That’s the thing with auditors some times. They could just leave the scene if they wanted to or deescalate but they want to milk the situation as much as possible, which I understand some times if the cops just look super bad and you’re pursuing the lawsuit route.
@@Jesuspaid4oursinsfree to leave free to stay. Don’t make it anything it’s not unless you’re just bias and have some sort of hero complex. If so you need to find real heroes
Cops are glorified meter maids. They cause trouble for you to extract money outta you for the city. It’s disgusting really.
These cops care more about their report than anything else. It’s ridiculous.
It's their excuse to bully people and get an arrest
Nah man. You got it wrong. What they care about, is putting hands on people. They want ID in case there is a warrant.
They don't care about the report man lol they are just saying that
The more paperwork they do helps them charge up their overtime.
In fact they care _only_ about their report. In most cases we see on TH-cam it's obvious that the cops know from the get-go that the guy is no threat to anything, there's no law enforcement problem they are going to address, and nothing to "investigate". Looking at their body language you can see that they don't even listen and could not care less. The only thing they care about is their report they need to close by reporting that they checked someone's ID and thus solved the problem. Their whole existence and pretense that they somehow provide security is one big lie. Whenever the situation becomes really "insecure", "officer safety" immediately comes into picture, and "the scene" becomes completely clear of any cops, as we see in one school shooting after another.
I live in Newark, NJ. The cops here do this all the time. They are constantly harassing residents here for no reason. They pulled the same line on my husband and detained him for 3 hours! They will stop you and detain you on "suspicion of someone that matches your description that they are investigating" bc they don't like the way you look. But when I called the police bc someone was trying to mug me, they hung up on me and never called back or showed up to the scene. I, along with other Newark residents, have pics on my Facebook account of officers asleep in their cruiser while on duty! Several officers have been fired bc of this! There are several precincts in Newark that all NEED to be investigated!!! The cops here are out of control. Citizens here are genuinely afraid of the police. They need to be stopped!!!
Did he sue?
I have an overwhelming respect for KB for grading himself on this matter. I feel a lot of people do not take the time for self reflection and understand what they did wrong and KB shows that he is a very responsible person for the self reflection and wanting to learn from his mistakes and grow to become a better person. Hats off to you man!
Why can't you see these frauditors for what they really are? They are not "Journalists" fighting for imaginary rights. What they do has nothing to do with education. It has nothing to do with auditing. It has nothing to do with the constitution . What it IS about is harassing and smart mouthing the police, staff and public at these sites trying to provoke a confrontation to impress their loathsome followers for more likes and views for the TH-cam dollars.Simple as that.
NO CRIME NO ID. I appreciate the fact that he stood his ground
@@jebbait1669 how would getting his ID determine if he was the unidentified suspect?
@aarontuplin His ID wouldn't. How do you suggest they go about if he had/has a gun?
@@aarontuplin I guess they'd just have to ask him and take his word for it.
@@aarontuplin I think them patting him down without him giving his ID would be the best option, but I'm sure that's not legal, also.
@@jebbait1669 the cop said the caller 'believed he had a weapon' so the person calling didn't even see a firearm.
We should require that cops must articulate their supposed suspicions
Arguably they are required to per the 4th amendment. Otherwise, what is being argued, is that it is completely reasonable for any armed person to hold someone without giving any reason and citizens must always obey any order given by such armed person, or else be subject to violence including but not limited to lethal force.
That means, IMO, per the 4th amendment all detainments and especially arrests without giving RAS/PC and citing/quoting law being enforced is criminal conduct and should result in criminal charges.
Especially in cases like this where they are violating 4th amendment rights purely because someone called and told the cops that they believed someone might be exercising their 2a rights. That is both felony conspiracy against rights and felony deprivation of rights under USC 18.13.241 and 242. Multiple counts for every, single, officer.
Do you want to reduce violence or do you want nice sound bites? We need to go into high crime areas and institute stop and frisk to get illegal guns off the streets and arrest people with warrants. This "tying the hands of police" results in more crime.
They are but they don't give a fuck
@@sackeshi🤡
@@sackeshiyea cause cops totally wouldn't abuse that and create crimes of their own
How cops determine if you have a gun or not.
"Gimme your ID"
As long as they face no punishment for violating our rights, they have no incentive to change that practice.
"We got a call ..."
"Then you need to go arrest whoever submitted that false report."
Exactly!!!
Well that might make people less likely to call police if something actual is happening. I’d rather the police know how to do their actual job and once they Dispel the suspicion they let people go, no asking ID, none of that BS. Just a quick “Alright sir/m’am have a nice day/night.” Over in 3-5 minutes.
Oh my goodness I'm in love with this man...I wish more people would stand up to cops (bullies) like this❤
Citizens need to learn to invoke their 5th amendment right immediately during any police encounter.
Also invoke their right to an attorney. As soon as invoke an attorney, all questions must cease
@@Ace0076 that is not true !! The police don't have to stop questioning you.
@@Sondan1988 actually they do... if you demand to speak with a lawyer and they refuse, and continue the conversation, it can all be thrown out. Learn at least the VERY basics of law before you talk out of your ass, mmm'k???
@Sondan1988 not meaning to disagree. Where I'm from that when invoking an attorney during investigation, interviews or interrogates. They have to stop or they violate the constitution of right to counsel
@@Sondan1988 No I'm afraid that you are wrong. When you invoke your right to remain silent the police officers do not have to stop questioning you or even talking.
If you slip up and start answering questions then you've just waved the right to remain silent that you initially invoked.
However, when you ask for an attorney the cops must stop asking questions and cannot demand that you sign anything. Furthermore, if you slip up and answer a question it is inadmissible because it should not have happened without your attorney present to begin with.
The manipulation and extended illegal detention should automatically make this a D or F. Not to mention, they weren't professional and were being selfish. Not being loud and obnoxious doesn't constitute professional. They were unprofessional bullies. I agree with the B+ mainly because of him talking too much. He should've called his supervisor and remained quiet until they crossed the line for violating his rights (easier said than done). It's wild that we can suggest all these things but, until you're in that situation, you don't know how you will respond.
AtA's grading scale doesn't have a D, so it goes from C- to F
Yeah this channel is always giving cops a C for blatently illegal shit. It's absurd.
The cop commenting that defending his rights is "corny" should've given them an immediate F. They're in the wrong profession
His grading system is a joke. Period.
Hats Off to Mr. KB for Standing up for his rights!!! We NEED more Mr. KB in this Country!!!
It's a shame that "protocol" is to violate people's rights 😔
It actually is! That’s just sad.
@E3TV: YOU SUCK
When protocol violates the Constitution people can say f your protocol.
Violating the 4th amendment and you give them a C????? I'd give them a F
They keep giving these oath breakers more in more leniency lately. I don't get it.
Most police have set the bar so low that just the fact no one ended up in handcuffs is practically a good outcome.
If you give these guys an F, then what do you give the guys that do x10 worse? The interaction was fine, and they allowed the citizen to leave without much resistance in the end. They obviously have things they need to brush up on, but they didn't escalate like a lot of police normally do. As far as interactions go, I'd be perfectly fine with having an interaction like this.
I generally like the analysis on this channel, but the grades at the end are always way too kind to the cops
F’s are likely reserved for the hands on cops that escalate to yelling and threatening arrest.
I hate how entitled cops are. Genuinely get so upset when people refuse and request for which they have every right not to comply. Currently reading we own this city.... Yikes
These cops work in one of the most dangerous cities in the tri-state area. Stop disrespecting police in general. You could never do what they do.
@@RobbieStacks90 PIgs are more likely to get problems due to their attitude. Tell your pigs to behave or someone will treat them as they deserved. Remember what happened in Dulles.
@@RobbieStacks90Why don't the officers start by showing respect? If they respected peoples rights then they would get respected in return. They know that citizens are not required by law to identify themselves if they aren't under legal arrest so why do they keep pushing for id? What part of them lying to him to see his id was respectful? What part of him seeing through their lies and legally declining was disrespectful? Its not hard to see the truth.
@@RobbieStacks90 oh just a few comments ago it was the most dangerous city in New Jersey? Just making shit up huh? Typical kapo bootlicker
Gang mentality
Has anybody noticed that these cops by stopping a government worker while he was trying to do his job they are actually comitting obstruction of a government worker by physical force. The government of Newark should file a lawsuit against itself.
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Bingo
Then counter sue itself which would trigger a binary star merger and end the universe.
Good idea.
What do you expect out of a police department in New Jersey? They already violate numerous other rights as a state, like "shall not be infringed". They are tyrants, and we all know how tyrants should be dealt with.
As an on -duty city worker, the police "obstructed... a government function... by physical interference..."
And notice how they form and maintain a ring around him in an intimidating way, despite having immediately concluding he's not suspected of any crime.
End of the video also clearly shows that the police blocked the street, so not only was the stop extended, but they were impeding traffic. Police should not be above the law.
Cops should be forced to watch every video on this channel as part of their training. It’s ridiculous how many cops are running around in the streets not knowing that exactly their “powers” are and what aren’t.
See, believing that would change anything is why they've been allowed to run amok like they have.
These aren't behaviours that can be trained out of police.
These are people who have become police to exercise these abuses over people.
Until there are repercussions for their actions you can spend all the training money in the world on police and you'll still see daily videos of new abuses.
Yes, please. Ive seen too many videos where the officers think their feelings are the law. Also serious mental testing to weed out the psychopaths and narcissist out in early stages of training is a must, that alone would make huge difference.
@@janemiettinen5176The System will never do this. It is up to everyone else.
Do cops even come to channel?
I wonder if these cops come to this channel and take notes on how to change up.
@@steverogers7601 Probably to spy on public perception and sensitive info.
The cops should be going after the person who made the false report of him having a hand gun! I.D the false caller.
It will never happen
Too much work, cops are reactive, not proactive
It's not a false report, they just detained the first black guy they saw. It could've been worse, like that cop who lied about not being issued cards who rolled up hot and just arrested the first two people he saw where there wasn't even a description at all.
@@I.____.....__...__ that's funny, the cops are too, no RC here.
(a) the caller was unidentified
(b) if the caller made the call in good faith, then it's not a false report. It's false only if the caller knowingly lied to 9-1-1.
"You're making it harder! You're making it harder!"
No, the constitution is making it harder *on you.* It's making it very easy for him. And that's exactly why those rights are guaranteed to him.
“We got a call about a guy that fits your description ” gambit
Your videos are fantastic. Thank you for your hard work to get these to the quality they are share with us.
Cop: "...suspicions have been dispelled...". It was at this moment the cop actually f'ed up when the next words where not "you are free to leave".
That dude is the most dangerous kind of bad cop. Cuz he's not raging, he stays calm, and tries to make you think he IS respecting your rights (and probably thinks he is) while he continues to violate them. It's disarming and leads to people allowing their rights to be violated.
a cop that curb stomps old dudes who are already complying is a little more dangerous goober
I find it highly unlikely that it’s coincidence that so many cops confuse a traffic stop with stopping someone in public.
It's a reflex. All they do is traffic stops until they get a false call like this - because of that, they have the muscle memory metaphorically speaking to ID the contacted person no matter what because during a traffic stop you must identify and prove you have a license to operate a motor vehicle unless the stop is unlawful, but then again as another commenter said we are expected to be lawyers and judges and hope we don't get assaulted in the event that we are brought to a robed bundle of sticks with a gavel that often goes where the Sun don't shine who then judges whether or not we were right. The time for discussions and debate is over when the stupidity of the programmed individual is in play.
@@sa-amirel-hayeed699 BS excuse, muscle memory doesn't work for 20 minutes ...
Let's apply what you said to idk a machine operator in a factory, here we go:
'Sorry for killing that dude, usually I move only 20 lbs at a time but today I was moving 19000 lbs ... hehe oops muscle memory'
@@iCortex1 not true, that’s why you can ride a bike without riding a bike for 20 years
@@brkbtjunkie i don't think you understood my comment correctly
@@iCortex1 tell that to the special operators who fight for days on end on autopilot, who are barely conscious without sleep and injuries but can perform their injury drills under extreme duress... Because they have trained their mind and their body to such an extent it is automatic. Do 10,000 traffic stops where everyone IDs you will have a neurotic fixation on the one that didn't.
Great Job Sir, I wish more people would defy them and put cops in their place. He didn't have to answer any questions. He did not even need to talk to them.
Wow! I cannot WAIT to see the outcome of this. We the People need to make sure they are held accountable. Please post the number to Gaylor’s office so that we can call and demand accountability.
"show me your papers!!"
Where has history heard that before?
You meet the description, a black man between 5’4” and 6’8”.
I know that guy. He has short long hair and a clean shaved beard
Lol yeah the Puerto Ricans are on the hunt in N.J.
Mmm thats sounds pretty suspicious to me....
A black man you say?
Oh hell yes he sounds guilty already....
@@Xlllth 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
The staggering amount of stupidity in the force..is unbearable.
@babskaz74 And forearm flame tattoos.
There was controversy a few years back when it was discovered that certain police stations deny applicants who score too high on the IQ test.
Sounds ridiculous but one Google search will show. They want dumb.
They don't hire intelligent people, that's proven.
I love when you’re explaining something and you say However😂
Hopefully he files a lawsuit and it teaches all police that their policies aren’t the law of the land and they don’t have the right to violate protections because they feel they’re entitled to
Demand to see that report. I bet that even if an actual report exists, there will be huge discrepancies in the actual description of the purported suspect and this man.
No name equals no report sadly
He ain’t give no ID, no report for thee
When that officer said "We've been respectful too." I would've said "Oh yeah, I feel completely respected while being surrounded by officers without being told why I'm being stopped....."
then everyone would come outside and clap, right?
Wish cops like them would be fired on the spot for wasting time and money.
They look like thugs themselves.
If they were we wouldn't have any police left
@respectmyauthoritah1875 that would be a good thing
@@respectmyauthoritah1875 Or maybe we wouldn't have people that shouldn't be police left.
Ah yes “we got a call” “somebody suspicious…” “for the report”.
Just thanking you for your amazing service and for bringing awareness of their rights to citizens and especially for your legal references to explain explain the law and court cases!!
“Our suspicion is dispelled.”
Case closed and qualified immunity gone.
These cops literally cannot fathom having a conversation with citizens without demanding I.D. Literally incapable of functioning without all of your information in their possession. Pathetic.
Filler adverbs are awesome.
@@pdrey100 Literally.
@@pdrey100 lmao, I literally didn’t even notice I did that😂😉
Manipulating the ID refusal into a "Obstruction" charge is for one thing and one thing only, giving the false reason as "completing their paperwork" the real reason is to run the ID through the data bases for wants and warrants. Then they have someone to arrest if there is a warrant justifying their jobs.
Obstruction is nice and vague and easily exploitable to ruin lives with impunity. That's why bad cops love it. (Along with "resisting" and "disorderly"; those are the three magic-spells cops love to cast to poof people away to the dungeon. 😠)
and you are saying you dont want people with a warrant out arrested?
and you are saying this guy is specifically not giving the guys his ID because he has a warrant out aka he broke the law... are you stupid?
The statement “our suspicions have been dispelled” says it all. That’s a wrap!
My opinion of law enforcement has changed SO much since i have seen audits. It’s truly sad.
It’s a particular damning indictment of the system when we’re grading police based on what they didn’t do rather than what they did do. They get a C for misunderstanding the law and violating civil rights, but not using violence. “They failed at their job but didn’t physically harm anyone, therefore earning a passing grade” tells us how unreasonably low our expectations for LE are.
Well said. While the citizens are also graded on what they should have done if they didn't act a certain way, despite being correct about not having to comply etc.
Perfectly stated…. The bar is that low
Yeah, ATA's "well he could've murdered him and he didn't so... C." thing is getting in my nerves.
This nation wide addiction epidemic to ID’s is getting out of control. Rehab facilities need to be opened up for these poor addicted souls, so they can receive they help they so desperately need.
I hear Ely The People's Guy is opening one up in NYC. Yah Hurd !!!
The problem with your grading system is you hold citizens to a hirer standard than our police.
We are expected to be lawyers to exist without our rights being infringed but police don't even need a basic understanding of the laws they enforce.
He holds them both to the same standard. The law is the standard. One would hope the cop is more learned in the law, but it doesn't seem to be the reality of the world, based on these videos. Also, many times the cop knows the law really well, to a degree they manipulate it. Often times they are playing stupid, because ignorance of the law IS a valid excuse, in a hearing about stripping QI from an officer, because intent to deny rights has to be established in the case. It's performative; they know the real law, they are just abusing the system.
You make an excellent point.
Facts! I keep saying that we the people are not trained on anything about laws and order unless we actively seek the training. While 6 months is not enough training to enforce the law, it is much more than any average citizen receives.
*higher
The only way to have most of your rights is to invoke them.
Such as the right to be protected from self incrimination.
So now that Ohio has constitutional carry, officers cannot detain me for having a firearm? Since I do not require a permit.
6 officers all breaking the law, what a waste of public funds
Giving orders to demand ID when it is not legally required gets an F in my book every time
*"VIDEO EVERYTHING AND SAY NOTHING!"* If you must speak.... Ask Questions but never answer questions! It's certainly not a consensual conversation with Cops, if they are interrogating you! Ask "what is your name and badge number?" "Am I free to go or am I being detained?" "What Crime do you suspect me of committing?"
This is insane. A cop can walk up to someone and demand ID for NO reason.
That's is not completely true. It depends on the State. About half the States have ,"stop and ID laws". It is unfortunate that people do not always live by the law and therefore Police or Someone is necessary to enforce the Rules. To have order in society we all have agreed to trade a little of our personal freedom for safety and security. That is part of the social contract.
You have no idea what their reasons might be!
Besides it’s twat waffles like these frauditors that perpetuate these laws , if you can’t see that you need help. We are losing freedoms because of twat waffles throwing little tantrums
so? give it to them. bam then you leave.
In the land of the free.😂
Cops need to learn how to write "Name Not Given" on their report
This video should be sent to the Newark police department for educational purposes they need it bad
Dude told em "to kick rocks!" Thats an automatic A in my book 😂
This universal belief by police across the country that once they stop someone then that person is compelled to identify themselves is frightening and is a major cause of police misconduct. This is a major issue nationwide and needs to be addressed. This country is in dire need of criminal justice reform to standardize and train all levels of law enforcement to the same level of knowledge and accountability. They all need to know what they can and can’t do by law to stop videos like these from appearing.
Citizens are legally allowed to carry a firearm and to carry weapons. These BS pat down laws need to be re-addressed by the courts
The police fully expect everyone around them to be disarmed. How can anyone legally determine how close someone has to be to a cop to expect to be patted down and disarmed? 5 feet? 10 feet? Everyone within a 1 mile radius? 2?
It's ridiculous. They shouldn't be allowed to disarm anyone until they're actually under arrest. I know there's some bad people out there, and they might draw on a cop, but, oh well. They volunteered for that job and knew the risks involved beforehand.
@@valentinius62right. The 2nd amendment applies to us too.
@@GregBurchThe second amendment was specifically written with cops like this in mind.
It is specifically there *to kill tyrants*
Hunting and the like is just a happy accident
uh they do if it wasnt gotten illegally. you cant just find a weapon and be like its mine. dumbass
and in some places is completely justified. dont like having to say it but cops are way more likely to be shot in a place like this. and by people with darker skin. its not even close.
People are legally allowed and disallowed to do many things, and then there is long list of exceptions and modifications for every one of those things :D And usually none of those laws are totally conclusive so you finally have to interpret it at court taking into account actual individual situation. So no, you are totally wrong. It's just not how law or even constitution has ever worked.
What good would a complaint do?
They didn't arrest him or beat him up, would probably go nowhere with that...
The only corny thing I see in this video is someone thinking it’s corny to enforce your constitutional rights while at the same time allegedly swearing an oath to protect them
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We got a call that you are an American citizen who has RIGHTs!!!
Having a gun is a RIGHT!!!!
Regrettably this is so...as 2023 has had more mass shooting than there have days gone by this year, I'm really getting discouraged that these good guys with guns are nothing but myths
People with guns get jumpy around other people who might have a gun. Oh the irony.
@@Poptart133git's not Chicago bro. It's Newark.
@@koberyan2880 Cops kill 3 people per day, many unarmed and innocent of any crimes.
Law abiding gun owners kill or shoot 0 zero innocent people per day.
Not if the Democrats have anything to say about it.
The cop grabbed his gun . That clearly is a deadly threat . When looking at these videos always watch the cops hands
To be fair, dude was looking through his bag which was probably perceived by the cops that he was possibly going for a gun.
@@archieg8009no, there are criteria that cops look for to know if you're about to bolt or pull a weapon. Target glancing, looking around for cover, taking inventory of the positions of nearby cops to decide which to shoot first by target glancing each cop... Just searching through your bag slowly after asking to look through it and given permission is not a reason to pull their guns or prepare to draw
Well they did get a call saying the guy had a hand gun, so they were most likely on edge in case he pulled out a gun. Not saying they should do that but I could understand why they might be ready for something bad to go down.
@@davebowman5152 if you're ready for something to go down, you don't spend thirty minutes repeating the same phrases expecting a different outcome OR cause something to happen. The man was standing, he was surrounded, was speaking clearly, had his hands out of his pockets, immediately identified himself as a public city worker and offered to call his supervisor at the office to verify that he was under employment with the city, didn't attempt to leave or run whatsoever, stood exactly on the same spot while speaking respectfully.
None of those things indicate danger, intent of danger, or the cops feeling that there was impending danger. When things go down, it takes seconds. The police know when they are in danger, and when they are not.
They also know when they packed their fishing rods for their expedition. A compliant citizen can easily be intimidated into forfeiting their rights. That's why their ego gets involved so deeply in these types of stops. They cannot handle someone who just stands up for themselves and their rights. That's why they surround you with more armed thugs.
@@davebowman5152 if they're scared something's gonna go down for a "man with a gun call" they pull up 20 deep with the swat team, the Bearcat truck and rifles and serious armor.
Proof those cops are bullies on a power trip.
The citizen is correct.
ALWAYS KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.
It's scary how many officers are there including a supervisor, that don't know, or pretend to not know the law.
Oh no they know but they DEFINITELY WERE PRETENDING TO NOT BE RACIST PIECES OF SH!+ ! I almost never bring up race or the word Racist but no other word for it.
That last part always grinds my gears. I know some of these aholes know the law but play stupid to double down. Makes me sick these manchildren are armed and protected by the badge
If this man is a city worker in the sanitation department, just like the police officers, he is a public servant.
As such, when approached by a police officer, the same reason he identifies himself in the service of his duties, this sanitation worker should have been obligated to do the same.
Mr. KB deserves a C- as well.
As a manager, any time someone "self grades" themselves lower that I would, it shows a real honest assessment and understanding they can do better. Often, people are blind to their own mistakes, this shows he's not only aware of them but also understood their potential impact.
"I'm not trying to intimidate you" while eight gestapo are surrounding him. 🙄 It is astonishing in this day and age of videos and publicized cases that the Gestapo STILL are so ignorant, or just plain liars and don't care since qualified immunity will protect them.
The irony is…the guy identified himself when he posted the video and the cops were able to finish their reports. 😂
5:08 U ROLLED UP ON HIM WITH 4-5 OTHER GUYS DEMANDING INFORMATION AND REFUSED UP TIL NOW TO DISCLOSE WHAT U WERE HERE FOR, THEN ACCUSE HIM OF BEING DIFFICULT FOR LEGALLY NOT DISCLOSING HIS NAME, THEN ACCUSED HIM OF ESCALATING THE SITUATION FOR CALL HIS SUPERVISOR TO VOUCHE FOR HIM.
WTF DO U MEAN??
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Every single police encounter turns into a fishing expedition, this one was no different. They are hoping to discover warrants or something in his background check they can arrest him for.
It seems like every cop misuses the offense of “obstruction”.
Generally, Obstructions only use is for misuse
And disorderly conduct
And then add on "resisting arrest" regardless of how cooperative a person is.
@@dongilleo9743 In the cops defense, that elbow did resist bending in a reverse 90 degree angle.
*There's a LOT to like here:*
1:57 _"Don't be disrespecting me, don't tell me to be quiet"_ - set the tone early, might have been better to declare his right to comment.
4:46 _"You telling me I'm not free to leave, you're not getting my ID"_ - challenging the extension of the detention if they aren't actively advancing the investigation, would have been a little better to declare this more directly.
5:14 _"Our suspicion is dispelled"_ - he got what he needed, extending the detention is illegal, nobody has any responsibility to provide info for their paperwork.
Regardless of who's "right" about whether he needed to show ID, as soon as the cop said that they no longer had suspension there was no reason for half a department to stand there wasting our money.
The problem is today, too many people do not know the law, and this is why police officers take advantage of citizens or people. This is why it's good to know something what's going on. And this way, then the more you know, the less the cops can take advantage of you.
Nah, they get an F.. they don't get a C just because they didn't escalate further than they did. That was a clear fail.
It’s obvious every departments number one priority is to ID first. Protecting and serving come second.
Protecting and serving was never on the table to begin with.
If he’s not engaged in illegal activity then the cops needs to leave him ALONE!
Isn’t it nice that police don’t need to articulate the actual source of their suspicions during a stop so it it is firmly unclear if someone can leave.
It really doesn’t matter what they believe they’ve already admitted that their suspicion has been dispelled. You are not in a stop and ID state and the statute regarding detention. There doesn’t give them the authority to ID you unless they’re making an arrest or writing a citation. So their 91 call doesn’t matter their beliefs. Don’t matter their suspicions have already been dispelled.
Any public servant who tries to enforce their versions of law (IDEOLOGICAL GOALS) with use/threat of unlawful arrest aka VIOLENCE is guilty of Domestic terrorism - "Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." - FBI definition.
You can bet good money that every unhinged tyrant would soon learn to respect rights and uphold actual laws when they know they can face prison time for this
Trying to educate officers is largely a useless task because they are institutionally incapable of learning from citizens. Non-auditors should insist and restate your unwillingness to ID or otherwise cooperate, protest and state the desire to be free to go and protest the extension of the stop. Just repeat endlessly until the police get tired of listening to you. For auditors, you should be well apprised of the law to make you point on camera. The actual law, not the TH-cam version of the law.
It's worse than that, this is how they're specifically trained. More training can't fix a bad system or bad policy. 😕
Unlawful detentions that hinder a productive investigation should get an automatic F
How long was he held in total? It'd be nice if you talked more about "de facto arrests". The case law seems a little split when a detainment turns into a de facto arrest. Moving the individual to a different location definitely triggers it, but when it comes to purely time, it seems like ~30 minutes is the sweet spot but again I don't think there's any definitive case law based solely on duration of detainment.
🤦🏾♂️They obviously LIED about the 911 call. If they really thought a 👨🏾 Black Man had a gun, they would have ATTACKED him.
This is Newark NJ This version of the Good Squad is dangerous. Since he got out of there alive, I’m giving this gentleman an A+.
The problem is we have policemen who don't know the law.
They know it. This is an act.
@rogerwilliams4493 based on the videos from this channel, I strongly believe that they really don't.
Innocent man 1 - 0 Cops 😂😂
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 “In his book Three Felonies a Day, civil-liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate estimates that the average person unknowingly breaks at least three federal criminal laws every day” so have you
@@ryno583 💯👍
@@Xlllth Completely Blitzed!
@UltraMAGA420 what does that matter?
@@TheDogGoesWoof69why are you making that assumption in the first place?
This must be the most convoluted job outside of their political bosses which is who they work for (not us). It’s just far too much to describe in text format. 👮🏻♂️
One cop even said, in the video, their suspicion was dispelled.l making further detention unconstitutional and possibly an attempt to entrap KB.
"Our suspicion has been dispelled" and that should have been the end of the police interaction. He literally admitted, still 10 minutes left.
And then they use that call as evidence but their suspicion was already allayed. The bullshit these officers talk is amazing