How Accurate Is A 430fps HPA Gel Blaster?
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- It's a common belief that the higher velocity a gel blaster has, the worse the accuracy gets. Today I seek to test that theory by using a 430fps HPA M4 gel blaster lent to me by Safari Zoomer Tactical here in South Australia!
Safari Zoomer Tactical links:
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Find the gel balls I use here: www.ihobby.com.au/products/fr... - บันเทิง
Thank you everyone who have pointed out the correct pronunciation of the German name Geissele.
Find the gel balls I use here: www.ihobby.com.au/products/frosted-white-gas-gel-balls-ihobby-orange/?ref=Oc391-ayqVec7l
Safari Zoomer Tactical links:
safarizoomertactical.com
facebook.com/safarizoomer
It's actually not a German company. They're based out of Pennsylvania
😆 😂 I'm glad I stopped and read this first. I actually prefer your way.
I know that you won't get a chance, but that company makes some of the best gun parts in the world.
Man, I know airsoft isn't available or legal in a lot of parts of the world, but man this makes me happy to know that it is. That $800 setup on a gel blaster shoots WAY worse than even a $120 airsoft AEG. They are pretty different things after all, but it's just sad to know you guys are limited to that garbage 😭
Whether it is an aeg or HPA has nothing to do with the precision. An AEG usually has very stable FPS.
But I agree that it is very imprecise compared to airsoft. I usually use .4g bbs and shoot about 1.6j with my MWS(GBBR) and it is a loot more accurate at 50m than this gel gun is at 20m and GBBR which is not very accurate compared to HPA.
@@MKAnr1 well, yeah, HPA and AEG use the same barrel/hop system and are consistent.
And yeah, GBB is so much less consistent.
Gel blasters are just crazy inaccurate no matter what though, which was my point. A $100 Cyma M4 is more accurate than even these $600-$900 gel setups. That's all I was saying
These were my thoughts exactly. The fact that gel blasters have come so far and the technology is where it’s at, Australia might as well just allow airsoft. What’s crazy to me is the fact that gel blasters are less accurate but can shoot at the same FPS which in my opinion is actually more dangerous than an airsoft gun. I’m glad they have gel blasters at least but realistically just let them have airsoft 😂
FPS just doesn't say much about how hard you shoot, unless you also know the bullet weight = joule. Gel balls probably don't weigh very much. And I guess they're softer too or what?
Shoots worse than a $30 Airsoft gun
The thought of a polarstar build topping out at 45m hurts my heart. I feel for our Aussie brethren.
I always copped some grief on the old GBF Forum for a couple of my high 4-500 FPS experimental blaster builds in regards to accuracy, and I never really found any major issues other than the life span of the nylon Gen8 gearboxes! 😮😂👍
Doc! Glad to hear a familiar name. Can't believe the forum vanished over night..
@@Ryno69ification Been dead for a while now.. Discord is where it's at.
In america gel blasters are only just starting to be popular can't wait for things like this in our market
Yeah, seems like a perfect hobby for me, easy to play and nothing to clean it's just amazing
You do know we have paintball and Airsoft right??? Why do you wanna move backwards, might as well start playing finger air pistols again 😂
@@staticsrt8 Gel blasters have their advantage besides, we got more stuff to shot each other with so that's always good and fun
@@revil12337 valid point
I have a krytac spr. It was an aeg but when it broke I went hpa. It is night and day difference. Also this year I’m using different mags. This should let me shoot at a higher rps but I’ll wait and see. My krytac mags could handle 45 rps but my new epm1 mags can supposedly handle 60-70rps
bradley i think you should make a video about how to preserve and treat the battery with every kind of battery form 7.4 to 11.1
The accuracy problem with gel blasters is due the gels itself I believe a company will succesfully develop some type of gel ball with a lil bit harder shell and weight is just a matter of time we just have to wait
Even if they did that, the inconsistent growth of each individual gel would still make accuracy subpar to airsoft.
You mean... Paintball?
@@brodar2232 No Paintball is bigger and plastic.
they sell hardened gal balls
A Muzzletech hop up would sigificantly tighten up the grouping & distance. You should really do a review on them, I promise you'll not want to use any other hop up. No need for an allen key for adjustments, simply turn the front of the Muzzletech clockwise or counter clockwise to adjust. Make sure you have 10 to 12mm of the inner barrel sticking out of the outer barrel so that it works properly. I dont use anything else. It 100% changed my game play from hoping some gels hit to knowing they will.
I've used muzzletek hopups before, they don't really have any noticeable difference to them compared to any other gel blaster hopup. And their most recent one was an absolute flop of a product.
Nice rig you got there
Just a thought but would adding sugar or something water soluble help with the weight?
so what about if you let them gels absorb a heavier Liquid ? so for an example what would happen to the gel balls if they sat in Sodium Hydroxide or something has had more densities then water would it then improve the range i would be interested in finding the best liquid maybe it would end up that water is the best. and would they be able to aborse something like Sulfur Dichloride. Why am i so interested in this
As far as I'm aware, they can only absorb water.
I would love to see all the settings on the fcu
Can the gellets soak up denser fluids other than water. Alternatively, if we dissolve any solvents (e.g.:sugar for instance) in the same water and let the gellets absorb it, will it make it heavier?
you could use D20 instead of normal water
its around 10% heavier
but i dont know where you could get it
Of course you could do them heavier. All you need to do is to take a fluid with a higher mass than water. You could try salad oil for an example. Maby the soak up time increases also. Could you give it a try? I would like to see the improvements those gels would make.
That's usually one of the first things people try before realising it doesn't work. They only absorb water unfortunately.
@@BradleyPhillipsYTeven if they would absorb oil, water is heavier than oil. Glycerine is may work.
freeze the gel balls
kann man das Hopup bei Gelblastern nicht umstellen ?
We’re did you buy the gun
Hey mate is that a adjustable trigger in that and are they available at safari zoomer
I believe so, and yes
Cheers Brad, slightly different to the gbu versions
Hey brad can you do a video on the Spitfire Mega Ranger?
Sure, when a half length dart version is available.
Cool! I can't wait for it! I heard it's supposed to hit 450!
As an airsoft player, I’ll add that many people do actually use .20g BBs for ordinary play. It’s extremely common. As an advanced player, who builds and tunes his own replicas, I typically use either .25g or .30g. .30g is considered very heavy in many (if not most) airsoft environments. It helps that airsoft s are inherently far, far more accurate than gel blasters. For example, a well built airsoft rifle using good quality .20g BBs and shooting under 400 FPS will reach 50 meters FLAT, without tilting the gun upwards, and keeping all shots within a 2 foot circle. Using .25g BBs that range can extend up to 65 meters, and I have made occasional 80 meter shots using .30g or .32g BBs. This is under ideal wind conditions, of course.
It helps that BBs are heavier for their size (6mm vs 7mm) and are manufactured of plastic rather than a polymer grown in water with inconsistent shape and size.
This is true. I even have some 0.12gram airsoft bbs
.25 is conmsidered heavy? might have been a good fields to play
In my country 0.25 is the most common bbs to use and pretty much a standard bbs for rifles (.25 is standard because my country had a wind problem most of the time)
0.28 is considered standard for AEG's
0.28 - 0.30 is considered standard for GBB
0.32 is the standard bb to use for Snipers
0.36 is uncommon but a lot of people use it on specific fields that have a windy weather
0.40 - 0.46 is highly uncommon and banned for short - medium range, only use it on long-range such as more than 100m (Snipers mostly)
But headshots are highly prohibited, no headshot or any vital organs are allowed to be shot in almost all fields.
@@SamWeed420 There is a lot of difference between your filds and my fields can hear. Where I play most, the field doesn't sell anything below .3g
I myself use at least .4g and I play what you call short - medium range shoots about 1.6 joules.
You may shoot with up to 5 joules on most fields here, but only bolt action snipers.
1.6j can never hit harder than 1.6j regardless of bullet weight. When you get chrono with the ball weight you play with.
Here you are welcome to shoot in the head, it is your own responsibility to use protection, but there is a requirement that the eyes and teeth must be protected. However, most people don't shoot for the head if they can hit something else
@@MKAnr1 oof, that's rough
Bet the is a lot of accidents, such as bleeding, etc.
Any gbbr blaster m4s avail yet?
Realizan envíos a Mexico?
if you use heavy water?
Gel blaster or airsoft, unrealistic aiming, compared to nerf. (Advanced nerf)
One shot or 10 shot, the right set up will give you excellent grouping. Gel,airsoft and paintball, the rounds are spherical, they can go off target sometimes. (Think knuckleball)
If you have the money to dump 3k or 4k would you recommend buying a HPA?
If you don't mind having to refill your tank each week, sure. More reliable than an AEG and faster trigger response.
Use heawy water from a reactor.
They use destilled water witch have even less weight
Hey there, I’m a Modified Nerf creator here in the US and I had someone reach out to me claiming to be you, do you know a Gage Milner?
I don't recall doing so, what do you create?
Modified Stryfe’s
Look like the up hop make it worst in therm of precision ... sure you gain on distance but not sur on how straight the ball exit the barrel
Why don't they manufacture gel blasters chambered in a higher caliber gel ball? I'm very curious
Because the weight is from the water inside, the larger you go, the greater the effect of size compared to weight.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Oh, so a bigger gel ball wouldn't improve that much in terms of range huh? hmmm, well it still be kinda fun to have like a slug shotgun that fired like a 27mm gel ball or something crazy like that, anyway thank you for the reply
Like .50 and .68 caliber paintball? The paint is a jelly consistency
Ngl that huge as spread makes the game look you could just hold gel bbs and throw them for the same accuracy
why did u test acuracy with auto mode ?
that full auto is scary
Everything else being mostly equal, I’m sure that extra 100 + fps at least punishes the other team at close range more 🤷♂️😅
Definitely haha
Hey mate, have you tried using heavier water?
Heavy water is only about 10.6% heavier than water, thus you'd go from 0.2g to 0.23 grams approximately. Not enough to make a real difference. The biggest cause of inaccuracy is the shape of the gel in flight, as it's non-spherical during flight.
@@EmberfireKitsune Lmao I'm taking the absolute piss mate 😂
I was also under the impression that the inaccuracy was due to it essentially being a co2 gel musket
@@microwavegommmm916My bad, didn't realise that :p
As to accuracy, gel blasters all have smooth barrels and there's only two real things that affect accuracy outside of the user, a hopup and how well the gel maintains a consistent spherical shape in flight
How do you refill the hpa tanks?
You need an air compressor, most people take theirs to a gel blaster store to refill. Some fields also offer free refills.
A special air compressor for scuba rated at 3000 - 4500psi not your average workshop compressor
hey I have one of those burner style gel blasters it's a hydro pulsar, and I'm telling you right now if you take it easy on one of those and like let it break in.. I modded and put another 7.4 volt spliced battery on it, and I keep that in my car so when I see some of my friends, because I have this whole gel blaster thing blow it up out here in Medford oregon... I I have 15 volts running through that one and I promise you when I say this dude it spits hot fire I mean it really really freaking spits LMAO I mean it really really really freaking goes ballistic dude and it's hella accurate it shoots within like a 4 to 6 ft area after it gets to about 25 30 ft it starts to kind of spread out a little bit but it still hits everything you need to have it hit kind of almost like a shotgun like a automatic shotgun in a way.. I wonder how much power I'm pushing out of that running 15 volts to 7.4 volt battery spliced in and connected! I have three different styles I have the lightning blaster with two batteries, cuz one of my gear boxes that presses and rotates the plunger broke on one of mine so I opened it up was seeing if I can fix it I busted a few down and fixed them and put them back together, but there was no fix in the gears were stripped.. and I have a splatter ball one with the drum on it that holds 1200 or whatever, just some throwaways for right now until I get these jobs done then I'm going to buy one of what you have like a 6 $700 FAL or one of them badass ones bro what do you recommend, by the way?? for like six $700? I'm going to start a Joe blaster arena, down here it all started with helping out a homeless friend and seeing one of those surge blasters buying it making a TH-cam video all the sudden everybody in Medford is running around with these things, but we're all pretty safe as far as not shooting innocent people but we do ignorantly shoot each other I have four different automatics in my truck right now that are fully loaded with bucket, a 5 gallon paint bucket full of gel blaster beads! but anyway I just wanted to let you know that, I've been subscribed to your channel for quite some time I plan to buy a badass one sorry for the novel bro I love your channel everything you do is amazing you explain it and bust it down all the way to the nitty-gritty and I appreciate you very much, I'll let you know what I got going I'm going to start a TH-cam channel pretty soon myself too bro so I hope to keep in contact with you and I'm in contact with Barry the CEO and a few other splatter ball guys, I mean jail blaster guys from all around the world and I would like to stay in contact with all you guys you guys are amazing your contacts amazing I'll continue liking the videos and watching as many as I possibly can
Hi, so the gel blasters available in the USA tend to be either really old ones that aren't sold in Australia anymore, or completely different ones that are too weak to be sold here. Unfortunately that means I can't really recommend one for you that you could actually obtain.
Yeah true about speed/accuracy. My home made blaster does over 990fps and is all over the shop over 15metres. But it shoots 277 gels per second so it still gets a shipload on target. Ranges out at about 120 meters.
Please make a video of it
l m f a o
Yes, please please make a video of that cuz I call bs 😂
990fps is almost the speed of a .22LR what the heck? Theres no way that gel ball can reach that speed without breaking apart due to the sheer amount of force needed to reach that amount of speed
I always thought barrel length played a part in accuracy.
Less barrel length and more barrel x cylinder ratio. You don't want to over pressure your gels as they leave the barrel by having it too short for example.
Why not compare the accuracy of the same blaster at 300, 350 and 400+???
Mostly because it wasn't necessary to do so. Every blaster I've tested in the past two years shoots 300-350fps.
Also I had issues getting this blaster to shoot 300fps reliably with such a long barrel, it was definitely optimised for higher velocities. So that would have shown the higher velocity is actually better, when it just wasn't optimised for that.
20metres and...a very big rose is born
It will still definitely mess with the accuracy a little bit. Even airsoft bbs warp at really high speeds
Did you even watch the video? Lmfao
@@Daniel-vu4qu yea but I don’t play with splatrball guns so not a concern lil jitt
why dont just shoot 7mm bbs? i ve seen 7mm bbs before u can get it online
Because then you'll get yourself arrested because Airsoft is illegal here
@@BradleyPhillipsYT i mean have u yried shooting 7mm bbs using a gel blaster? can it be shot accurately?
I am an airsofter and was wondering if gel had HPA. I was like cool they do. But seeing how inconsistent and inaccurate they are I feel bad for guys just trying to enjoy a harmless hobby. Now I need to look up gel snipers.
Man the accuracy of gel blasters is so bad, I know here in Australia we dont have Airsoft. However to go thru all the headfuk of getting a Gun license and storage and other associated fees, even spending alot of money on a Gel blaster and this is the performance you get.
Cheap airsoft springer pistols perform better these these modded blasters, i really hope we get Airsoft here one day soon.
I however wonder if u used 8mm BBs in these Blasters if that would improve the accuracy and performance
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If you used BBs in a gel blaster you'd be breaking firearms laws.
I still don't get why airsoft is not allowed where gel blasters are allowed
I ask the same question myself
Your welcome
Why aren't there heavier gels?
Because the majority of the mass comes from the water inside
Could do a review for acr j10?
That blaster is like 5yrs old at this point
@@BradleyPhillipsYT what really? With the gen 9 gearbox?
@@masoumi12 at least 3 years with that configuration
@@BradleyPhillipsYT so same as the cqb slr?,and i have a question IM thinking of buying one of them,what do you suggest? The acr or the cqb slr?
@@masoumi12 both were very popular when they came out, honestly either one is a good choice for a cheap blaster
Gel Blaster? is airsoft Banned in Australia? actually i have no idea
This statement is actually correct. When the gelball reach over 90m/s or 300fps, the gel ball aerodynamic start to fuck us alot...
The 3 reasons of this are:
+ Gel balls are 7.5mm diameter, thus the contact to the air is more compared to the 6mm diameter bbs.
+ The gel balls are light weight entities, 0.2g is too light compared to 0.28 or 0.32 grams bb.
+ When the gel ball travels within the inner barrel. The chamber pressure pushes the gel ball into "Oval Shape". When the gel ball hits the hop up unit, it then changes its shape 1 more time. The higher pressure and velocity, the greater the deformation.
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So to fix this, you can either use heavier gel balls and the harder version gel balls to reduce deformation.
At this time there are no heavier gel balls. Most of the weight comes from the water inside.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Yes, so we're currently stuck now...
how much money
Ngl it can shoot 50 meters away and that's kinda impressive for a gel blaster😅
Gelsoft & accuracy?? Is that a thing?
Haha. Na seriously, I zero most of my milsim rifles to 25M. Simple. Snipers on the other hand, well, it gets frustrating because the accuracy just doesn't exist. I've spent too much time trying to get a decent performance out of my AWM, the sweet spot seems to be around 35M 430fps. Going above 430fps at longer ranges and I do belive the gells distort & vibrate more and they become less accurate. (I was using a 21cm archery target. Not a 1M target) It really is a shame but in my opinion the Gelsoft sniper rifle is pretty much redundant. (We need an Aussie Donald Trump (can belive im saying that) to bring back the biff, & legalise AIRSOFT. I love Gelsoft but after playing Airsoft in Europe, snipping successfully at range. I tried with Gelsoft. It's just not there.
Interesting test Bradley. Nice hardware. Get well.
For a sniper, have you seen the Milsig blaster TacEdge are selling? Those are a legal alternative with better accuracy.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Love the look of the VSR-10 . So if TacticalEdge is watching, can you pass one of the Double Bells on to Brad for a review please. 👍
For sniping, get a foam dart blaster like Bradley does.
I still think airsoft is better more realism with gun attachments and overall feel of full metal body like a real gun would
Gelsoft has full metal blasters with realistic weights and for any blaster which has the rails, you can attach any attachment you could normally attach to a real gun (Scopes, sights, torches, etc).
@@EmberfireKitsune didn’t know that thanks for the info
try Bb steel 7mm
I swear the modern AR-15 is the best looking rifle/carbine. Nothing else comes close
It does look very clean, though because it's so common I usually like to use other blasters myself.
Wrong...
@@JackMeHoff789 know your role and shut your mouth.
Would these hurt you if they hit you?
Yes
Just spray into the enemy territory when the game starts and pray.
Im new to this so i assume this is somthing that has already been explored but, could the gel balls be soaked in a more dense liquid (e.g. Oil) to increase the weight? Keep up the good work bud, videos are very infromative!
Nah
oil is less dense than water but its more viscous
@@Bauson I just looked that up. Completely blew my mind.
@@CollinsAE86 yeah because of the viscosity and how “stringy” is is when you touch it it gives the impression of being heavier. The opposite situation is even stranger if you’ve ever tried picking up a piece of tungsten it’s the opposite of when you go to pick up a can or bottle of milk you thought was full and instead u launch it to the sky cause it’s empty
What's the point od doing this in your country?
It's not like you can upgrade to real bullets some day.
Shooting players with it and they don't die?
Is that a BB, not a gel???
No it's gel
Just for future reference that is not how you say Geissele, they are a very established company that sells real firearm components.
How do you pronounce the name?
@@BradleyPhillipsYT guys-Lee, known for there ar/m4 hand guards and triggers here in the US
holyshit this is crazy，the highest fps we got here in China is like 280 something
I feel so sorry for you Aussies.
It's guys lee
Looks about as acurate as me throwing them at you.
Why can’t we just have air soft already
Couldn't agree with you more!
I love your channel but Jesus it sucks whatching this when I live in Melbourne!
I target shoot with long guns and support our gun laws but I wish we could find a middle ground to let us use airsoft/gel ball etc.
Bro there's no way people actually take gel blasters this far
People definitely do when Airsoft is outlawed.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT exactly, I’ve seen blokes with $10,000+ loadouts.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT wait where is airsoft outlawed?
@@user-qv7rw7dq1d i believe Australia. German also have some extreme regulations on guns, bows, airguns, etc, idk about airsoft. But is not rare to some countries to ban or extreme regulate airsoft.
In Brazil, until 2017 you could not have a GBB, unless you had the license to have a firearm, lol.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT it's like some people think their country's laws are the same for everyone else 🤦.
Gel blasting the best thing to come to Australia.
U guys afraid of airsoft pellets?
Airsoft is illegal here
There literally IS a movement between a handguard and a receiver, you can even see it on a video for fuchs sake!
Thought I was the only one that noticed 😂
goes great in a marauder PCP air rifle hahaa
If you take that in public wouldn’t someone think it a real gun
Absolutely. But why would you take it in public?
@@BradleyPhillipsYTI sold 1 of my Airsoft rifles and met the guy at a grocery store parking lot. The look on this ladies face when I pulled it out of my trunk was hilarious.
Need to try this same test with some ammo from Nekminnut Called GoatBalls, they are 80g each gel and extremely hard. The top brand of gel we use here in Qld.
80grams each ball? What?
1:05 no movement at all? We can literally see the hilarious amout of wooble that sh** has...
Add salt to the water when prepping gells then freeze them..thank me later
Yes the deadly anti-metal causes rust thing to put inside of a metal barreled toy gun genius that won't end badly
@@dankdaze42069 i use stainless steel resl steel parts
@@jjohnson9822 isn't salt salt doesn't it eventually rust everything I mean I'm sure it doesn't really make much of a difference but it's got a jam-up gears and stuff eventually with the little chunks of rust
@@dankdaze42069 not with stainless steel
What's the salt for
Y’all know airsoft exists right ?
Nah, never heard of it. Isn't that the one banned in Australia?
@@BradleyPhillipsYT ahh my fault
Problem with accuracy is the lack of hop up for the gel blasters. The magnus effect proved keep the round flying straight and provide lift to allow distance.
Even with the rival nerf guns have a type of static hop up..if you look I. The barrels you will find a rubber ridge in them. One of the reason for the accuracy and distance foe the rival ball nerf guns
Geissele (guyz-lee)
Yeah it's German, didn't know that before hand but would have been helpful 😉
Feels bad for Australia to have Airsoft banned, after watching a situation in Australia is kinda Understandable, a lot of dumbasses walking around trying to be funny with gel blasters out on the streets/public, which makes it to be difficult to even legalize it, and a lot of old people running the government as well.
Even my $26 Spring Airsoft (320fps with 0.25gr bb) and $100 Spring Sniper Airsoft (420 -/+ fps with 0.36gr bb) perform (accuracy, fps, and range) better than this 430 FPS HPA Gel Blasters
Wish Australia legalize Airsoft soon, it must be a pain to shoot that thing on long range accurately. I Can imagine how happy the Gel Blasters community is to have airsoft legalized.
Where is this legal paintball dropped to 280fps
Those pigs feel any?
I feel bad for Australia having to deal with all the dumb laws that restrict their ability to have fun
Wow. There’s a gel blaster community. Sad.
Sadder when you learn why.
My God, compare to airsoft, buying expensive gel blaster just wasting money...
No one gonna talk about the pig and donkey when he shoting 50m they could of been hit 😂😢
The gels didn't even make it 50m
Geissele is pronounced “GUYS-LEE”
Not true over a certain fps dose lose accuracy I can shoot to 50m at 300fps don’t think you have enough knowledge as I’ve built over 2,500 repairs high fps losses accuracy
My nickname is bradley
My real name is Bradley
Hpa was made for paintball and airsoft I hate seeing things like this and you probably don’t know how to tune the FCU and your using a speed trigger and didn’t even tune it
I do understand some parts of the world can’t have airsoft but at my local field. There’s too many people talking about air soft needs to be shut down, and they need to change this to gel blasters it pisses me off
It's pronounced "Guy-slee"!
Why ban Airsoft then? Aesthetically no difference. Looks just like any other replica firearm and still shoots a decently solid projectile. Makes no sense.
This things is less accurate than a low end speedball gun.
Correct
Who the hell would buy a gel blaster when its less accurate than a $30 Airsoft gun?
Because Airsoft is illegal here
@BradleyPhillipsYT man that sucks. Why would airsoft be illegal but Gelsoft with realistic looking guns be legal? The guns look the same
@@Lefishnit's only legal in one state in AUS too
airsoft betta
Correct. Airsoft is illegal here though.
looks awesome but man.... NSW is lame hahah
Have you kids contemplated making a barrel from Stainless Steel with a polygonal rifling to impart spin on your balls... The polygonal rifling is not sharp edged like conventional rifling..
take that shit hopup off at higher fps'
Wtf xD
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