Italo is everything that European highspeed rail should be. They're excellent. Both the AGV and Evo sets. Let's hope they can get into France and Germany 😆 Great video mate 👌🏻
I rode that train the other direction, originating in Milan to Florence this past January. We splurged on Club Executive. We ended up being super happy we did. It was the end of he holiday season and the train was packed with travelers for a weekend get-a-way for the end of the epiphany weekend. The best part of Club Exec was lounge access in Milan. My wife has mobility challenges, so getting the train station early and having a comfortable place to wait was worth the extra cost (free snacks and drinks as well). The the train being packed full, having a lower capacity section meant there was still room for our luggage. Florence was busy with mostly Italians that weekend. By Sunday afternoon the city get super quiet. The next leg of our journey was Florence to Naples also on Italio. Again lounge access was a good place to fill the hour before our departure time. Then there were technical issues as we had a near 2 hour delay. We were comfortable in the lounge so no big deal. Great service and still remarkably inexpensive for what you get.
Nice video, but please learn that when panning your camera from left to right or right to left that you need to pan very slowly. Some of the pans were so fast that the images are blurry and it can make the viewer dizzy.
Wonder why Alstom’s AGV hasn’t really sold outside of Italo, maybe the articulated bogies eating into space? - though the rest of the lineup is doing great
No the articulated bogies take less space under the train as they replace 2 bogies, they also offer higher stiffness, thus better safety, in case of derailment. The AGV was designed for SNCF but they don't want EMU's (*) and Alstom didn't make much effort to market the AGV after SNCF rejection. They concentrated on SNCF's new train, the TGV M. That's sad because AGV's are fantastic and I think they are the best looking high-speed trains. (*) Well, it's not really that SNCF don't want EMU's per se, but they absolutely want the highest capacity, which means double decker trains, and the AGV would have been a downgrade in capacity. There's no way to comfortably carry more than 900 or 1000 passengers on a 400 meter long single deck train. Plus, double decker high-speed EMU's are a nightmare to produce and maintain. Only Japan produced one model of double decker Shinkansen, and it wasn't really a success (limitations, space "eaten" by motors and cabling, complex maintenance, they eventually dropped it). EMU's require a lot more cabling, which takes space, adds weight and complexity, motors also take space and add weight. While a current TGV Duplex is roughly equivalent and often *inferior* in weight (empty), compared to a single deck high-speed train, thanks to the articulated bogies and ultra lightweight structure. That's because the Duplex had to remain under 17 metric tons per axle while keeping the articulated bogies, thus with a much lower number of axles than on a train with conventional bogies. Almost the entire volume of the cross section is dedicated to passenger space. So, if Alstom one day succeeds at producing a double decker high-speed EMU, SNCF will surely buy it. (Alstom apparently are doing research to develop such a double decker HS EMU even though that seems extremely difficult). But they'll have to overcome the cabling, complexity, space and weight issues for that. The new TGV M is almost a hybrid train : shortened motor cars, powered bogies under the first / last passenger cars, and they have up to 740 / 1480 seats (single / double formation). While at the same time reducing power consumption by up to over 30%. That's what is needed for SNCF as their network is saturated, with some French HSL's seeing a train passing every 3 minutes in each direction during rush hours. To the point that the infrastructure manager is studying the implementation of a CBTC "centralized remote autopilot" system on the busiest lines to increase the number of trains per hour.
How fast does the train go in tunnels? Can it really reach 300kmh in a tunnnel? the air pressure would be tremoundous on a long tunnel. Motive power in each car gives good acceleration but has many challenges because if you have to support multiple voltages, you either need to canibalize space in a passenger car for the conversion and then distribute univied power to all cars or duplicate conversion in each car. Jacobs bogies are more efficient and keep train together i case of accident but have maximum weight limits and can't be used for traction. Jacobs also keep floor lower to make twin deck possible compared to conventional bogies. In the toilet, you look a lot like your brother bear :-)
@@Thom-TRA Absolutely! I'm going to Italy in a few weeks, and I have a Eurail Pass, so I had to be careful to book only TranItalia. We used to call that F.S., but maybe they don't use that anymore?
Italo is everything that European highspeed rail should be. They're excellent. Both the AGV and Evo sets. Let's hope they can get into France and Germany 😆 Great video mate 👌🏻
I can't believe I see you literally everywhere on youtube. WHAT HAVE I DONE WRONG?
I love seeing different trains in Europe. Every train I've ever been on there is head and shoulders above what we have here in the US.
I rode that train the other direction, originating in Milan to Florence this past January. We splurged on Club Executive. We ended up being super happy we did. It was the end of he holiday season and the train was packed with travelers for a weekend get-a-way for the end of the epiphany weekend. The best part of Club Exec was lounge access in Milan. My wife has mobility challenges, so getting the train station early and having a comfortable place to wait was worth the extra cost (free snacks and drinks as well). The the train being packed full, having a lower capacity section meant there was still room for our luggage. Florence was busy with mostly Italians that weekend. By Sunday afternoon the city get super quiet. The next leg of our journey was Florence to Naples also on Italio. Again lounge access was a good place to fill the hour before our departure time. Then there were technical issues as we had a near 2 hour delay. We were comfortable in the lounge so no big deal. Great service and still remarkably inexpensive for what you get.
Brings back memories from my 2018 trip to Italy. Really loved it!
I should honestly try going on this
Great to see people embracing trains over planes
Wonderful video, awesome train!!!
She's a beaut that's for sure
❤enjoyed the train 🚂 education. Tuscany Italy Wedding this May near Pisa/Lucca. Prefer trains & buses over driving...thks for great 👍 job.
Nice video, but please learn that when panning your camera from left to right or right to left that you need to pan very slowly. Some of the pans were so fast that the images are blurry and it can make the viewer dizzy.
I didn’t film this, I had someone take the footage for me
Wonder why Alstom’s AGV hasn’t really sold outside of Italo, maybe the articulated bogies eating into space? - though the rest of the lineup is doing great
No the articulated bogies take less space under the train as they replace 2 bogies, they also offer higher stiffness, thus better safety, in case of derailment.
The AGV was designed for SNCF but they don't want EMU's (*) and Alstom didn't make much effort to market the AGV after SNCF rejection.
They concentrated on SNCF's new train, the TGV M.
That's sad because AGV's are fantastic and I think they are the best looking high-speed trains.
(*) Well, it's not really that SNCF don't want EMU's per se, but they absolutely want the highest capacity, which means double decker trains, and the AGV would have been a downgrade in capacity. There's no way to comfortably carry more than 900 or 1000 passengers on a 400 meter long single deck train.
Plus, double decker high-speed EMU's are a nightmare to produce and maintain. Only Japan produced one model of double decker Shinkansen, and it wasn't really a success (limitations, space "eaten" by motors and cabling, complex maintenance, they eventually dropped it).
EMU's require a lot more cabling, which takes space, adds weight and complexity, motors also take space and add weight.
While a current TGV Duplex is roughly equivalent and often *inferior* in weight (empty), compared to a single deck high-speed train, thanks to the articulated bogies and ultra lightweight structure.
That's because the Duplex had to remain under 17 metric tons per axle while keeping the articulated bogies, thus with a much lower number of axles than on a train with conventional bogies.
Almost the entire volume of the cross section is dedicated to passenger space.
So, if Alstom one day succeeds at producing a double decker high-speed EMU, SNCF will surely buy it. (Alstom apparently are doing research to develop such a double decker HS EMU even though that seems extremely difficult).
But they'll have to overcome the cabling, complexity, space and weight issues for that.
The new TGV M is almost a hybrid train : shortened motor cars, powered bogies under the first / last passenger cars, and they have up to 740 / 1480 seats (single / double formation). While at the same time reducing power consumption by up to over 30%.
That's what is needed for SNCF as their network is saturated, with some French HSL's seeing a train passing every 3 minutes in each direction during rush hours. To the point that the infrastructure manager is studying the implementation of a CBTC "centralized remote autopilot" system on the busiest lines to increase the number of trains per hour.
Great video as always! When was this video taken?
May 2022!
How fast does the train go in tunnels? Can it really reach 300kmh in a tunnnel? the air pressure would be tremoundous on a long tunnel.
Motive power in each car gives good acceleration but has many challenges because if you have to support multiple voltages, you either need to canibalize space in a passenger car for the conversion and then distribute univied power to all cars or duplicate conversion in each car.
Jacobs bogies are more efficient and keep train together i case of accident but have maximum weight limits and can't be used for traction. Jacobs also keep floor lower to make twin deck possible compared to conventional bogies.
In the toilet, you look a lot like your brother bear :-)
The trains are sealed and pressurized!
Have you been on the Acela?
I have not yet
I've done that line and the only problem is tunnels,lots of them!,so you don't get to see so much of the pleasant Italian mountains.
Note to Eurail & Interrail Pass holders: Italo does NOT accept them! 😒
It would be so much better if they would
@@Thom-TRA Absolutely! I'm going to Italy in a few weeks, and I have a Eurail Pass, so I had to be careful to book only TranItalia.
We used to call that F.S., but maybe they don't use that anymore?
@@EElgar1857 Trenitalia is the branding for the passenger operations of FS