NEVER blame the horse. We are the ones who put the tack on, who ride, who train, if the horse has a problem WE are the problem. Whether it was past abuse or dodgy training, or a present change of tack or a new rider, we have done something to cause the problem. Blaming the horse will only lead down a path of frustration, pain, anger, and sadness for horse and rider. Example: I ride classic dressage and 5 months ago I bought a gelding. He's pretty much the perfect horse! He can go on trails, be near traffic, gets along great with other horses, tacks up well, no buck, no rear, no bolt or bite. When our training took us to going on the vertical and starting the basics of collection he did well! We did a week of just walking and doing circles and bending then working on transitions to a halt and stretching more. The next week my trainer got on and my gelding went on the vertical and walked around with no problem. My trainer suggested using a flash to keep his mouth shut while riding and that's when problems started. We changed his bridle and my trainer adjusted it. First time on with the flash and new bridle, my horse ran back and spun around( he used to do this when mounting so I stayed on) and from there it was 3 weeks of small bucks, attempted rears, backing up quickly, running off, and he eventually stopped coming to me in his pasture. My trainer told me he was just grumpy but I didnt trust thay because my gut told me otherwise. I KNEW that bridle had something to do with it so I adjusted it myself. I put his bit down one and that helped alot, I mean ALOT. I then removed the flash and at the end of a ride asked him to go on the vertical and he did it with no hesitation. We walked two laps like that and when I got off I gave him so many scratches and treats and I praised him and promised him to never make him ride with flash ever again. Since then we've had no problems and the relationship between us has started to repair.
This is the best explanation I have seen of a horse that hasn't bucked before, suddenly putting you on the ground. My story is almost identical to your client's, except I have had this sensitive horse since he was 2. He had a couple bad trainers, well not a good match, that made him more sensitive and terrified. I pulled him from one when I walked in the barn to watch and she had him lunging at Mach 9 and as soon as he heard my voice he stopped and trotted over to me and put his head on my chest. I'm pretty sure I heard him say "please take me home". I made the mistake of thinking trainers know more than I do. Not all of them. I got him to an excellent trainer in Arizona for 60 days and rode him all summer out on trails and in the outdoor arena. Winter in Alberta hit, and he had 5 months off. Pretty fresh come April and I kinda lost my confidence so he went back to a trainer for a tune up. They were supposed to be all around training, but he got cowhorse training which was lope in circles fast, stop, backup, and rollback and off at a lope, all with Martingales or some weird tie down with a chain across his forehead. I didn't have the confidence to pull him outa there and they kept making the promises they had made in the beginning. Drag a log, ride in the field, put pressure on and release at the right time. After 30 days I started riding him again, and was glad to have him to myself in the arena, back to transitions and slow lope, no head gear gimmicks. He was good, but we never did get out on the trail. So I took him to the mountains with friends as I had planned months ahead. "They always come back better from the mountains", at least that has been my experience in the past. I pushed him beyond what he could handle. First morning hurried tacking up, didn't lunge long, got a distracting message from home, everyone waiting, so I got on and he WAS elevated. He told me not to get on yet. His neck was rigid, but I ignored. So we walked in little circles to keep his feet moving as everyone else mounted up. I pulled his head over, asked for his hind quarters and this was always his calm down que. Bucked 3 times before I hit the ground. He bucked twice more. I wasn't hurt so I lunged him, got back on and we went for a 3 hour ride. He was good. I was nervous. Hitting the ground rocked my confidence. So by next morning my friends convinced me we were too far from a hospital to ride him again. So we came home and I have gone back to ground, liberty and ponying him on the trails. I have been so close to getting on and am sure he would be fine, but with no one else on the yard I am hesitant. I cant wait to see video 3. For all those that have commented that the horse in your video is a killer or a bucker, I don't believe any horse should hold that label. With the right trainer, that bay in your video, and mine too can get past this. There is no way I will sell a horse that bucked. He is not safe to sell, so he has to be trained. That is my responsibility. I am glad there are trainers like you out there, and I am determined to find one. They are about to open the US border for Canadians to travel again so perhaps I can get him back to Arizona for training and lots of miles of trails without ice and snow.
As you wrote this a year ago, I hope things have improved. I think you need to REALLY vet a trainer before entrusting a horse to them. Otherwise you're really just paying to have horse taught the wrong things and get worse. The only time I have ever srnt a horse out for training, my horse came down with pigeon fever. In contrast, if you trailer in weekly and do a lesson with your horse, or watch the trainer train him and then they help you incorporate the lesson into your riding for the next week, there's steady progress. It can be frustrating when you have to delay the kind of riding you want to do because horse isn't there yet, but a year of weekly training makes huge difference. Most of my horses have been capable of bucking under the right (wrong) circumstances, such as being laid off for months and me not doing sufficient ground prep, being lazy or rushed. I don't think that is unusual in a horse that is still greenish.
@@evelynwaugh4053I was just thinking be nice to get an update. One thing my grandaddy taught me was ask for the tight circle BEFORE you ever get on a horse. Look for the back legs to cross over which is a decent indicator of how relaxed they are. Tense horses won't cross back legs. Make sure they'll give you their head easily. This has never failed me getting on a horse, but I've had them break in two a little while later. When I've done what I should I've been able to turn that head to butt it's hard to buck like that.
This is exactly what I needed. I have an extremely touchy mare. She’s never resorted to bucking but gets to cruising around and jumping sideways or forwards. She’s made 3 people bite the dust...when she gets scared, if she can’t bolt she starts running these tight circles that end up with the rider left behind. She’s very well aware of who’s riding her. She’s been good with me. While she never has the attitude of wanting to get others off her, her anxiety just builds and builds until she overflows, esp. a green rider or one that doesn’t have much feel. Interestingly, she’s my favorite. She tries real hard and is very responsive. Also real interesting to me is she’s one of my least spooky horses to outside stimuli. But anytime she thinks it might be a threat to herself, she’ll go crazy. If you barely bump her side when she’s distracted she’ll jump forwards. I’ll try this with her and hopefully it helps. I haven’t been sneaky around her…just quiet and calm like normal, but this might be a good idea for her.
Love Warrick.. Beware of 13th rabbit is now a saying I use when friends complain "but he walked by that 5 times already and was fine".. No, he wasn't. You just weren't paying attention.
I'm sure everyone will be throwing popcorn at me for this, but Jasper is very pretty; a really good looking boy. Yeah, maybe he could loose a few pounds, but he is a quarter horse people. I'm sure you're going to end with a great horse, Mam, and the clue to that is that you've gone to an expert once you realized the true extent of your problem. Jasper is lucky he isn't just being sold on with his problem(s) in tact. Great video, sir. Looking forward to Part 2 & 3. Thank you both for sharing your experiences with us.
Yes. I enjoyed watching this video and listening to your assessment. And he certainly is a beautiful looking bay. Some loving work and TLC wow. I think he would be well worth it.♥️ I like his energy.🐎
I do really like that the frame of mind when troubleshooting/analyzing a problematic situation isn't immediately "blame the horse". I also really like how respectful everyone is of the horses' instincts, because we are asking something really unnatural to them. In nature, if something is on their back, they would be in danger. We're asking them to suppress that reaction, and for some horses, it's a lot more difficult than others. But it's so nice to see people who're willing to give him time and patience and not just throw up their hands, call him a bad horse, and pass him off or put him down. EDIT: Besides, people lie, horses don't. For all we know he could've been abused, and that may be why he's so flinchy around humans. Maybe he's expecting pain due to past experience.
He was really head shy when he arrived- flinched with even subtle hand movements around his face. I spent a lot of time trying to make him feel comfortable with me and my movements- maybe I was being too passive as Ryan suggested?
@@jenniferbaker5338 G’day hope you have healed and repaired nicely. Jasper is a beautiful horse, am looking forward to seeing his re-education by Ryan Rose. As potentially one day Jasper his deep sensitivity just may save your life, preferably while keeping you safe too. With many source blessings with truth clarity love light laughter happiness joy fun play creativity adventures abundance wisdom and may peace be with you all! Victoria Australia xoxo
Great explanation about pressure and trail riding most people think it’s not a big deal there’s a lot out there to secure a horse and make them nervous
Ugh yes, if a horse cant handle you swinging your arms around on the ground, don't get on! Learned that one the hard way. I recently have gotten into training, my previous instructor trained ponies and assigned me with one named eve, there was an instant pressure to get on her and ride, but I should have trusted my gut and stayed on the ground. She ended up spooking at a bush shaking after a dog ran out from under it, she took off around the round pen and being the long legged rider I am, accidentally curled my feet up into her flank instead, she kept running until I bailed off the side and stupidly grabbed the fence, that was months ago and my arm is still messed up a bit! For anyone who is trying to get into riding greener horses/ponies, always trust your gut, don't listen to the pressure that you need to impress whoever your riding with. If the horse isn't ready, its not ready. A good trainer should know that!
"There's a bunch of little tight spots that all added up...it wasn't one big thing...He's got to have higher tolerances. His tolerances we're too low which made him unsafe to ride." 👏👏👏 Change the associations
QHs can very spooky, and they are FAST when they spook. QHs are not necessarily laid back. The spookiest horse I own is a QH mare, she's only 14hh, she's well educated and we have done a lot of desensitizing with her, but she always reverts to "brain-fade panic" after a week or so. She has certain sound triggers like branches breaking, whipper snippers etc that make her spin and leap and snort like a maniac. She's 20 years old, age has not gentled her at all :)
@@mihakabercic4457 I have owned a lot of horses. This mare has had hours of desensitizing to tarps, bags, noises and traffic (during which she relaxes and is fine), has been ridden and handled for 17 years in all environments, busy roads, stock work, pony club and comps. She still flips out and has major brain-fade panic moments to things she was previously fine with. Some horses are just that way
@@mihakabercic4457 I have very little experience with horses but even I know a horse is not a computer code you can change to get the correct results, many a horses were killed or sold cheap because their genetics/nature were not up to par, our ancestors who fought wars on horses would not have tolerated such skittish behavior, horses were not designed to let humans ride them the ones that were most acceptable to it were the ones that bred
Harry Whitney would talk about the horse's "WORRY CUP" and how it over flows if we don't empty it every once in a while, He says "If we don't pay attention to what happens before what happens, happens (Tom Dorrance)... just about any horses can blow." Your videos (3) are excellent! You do a great job of building 'Acceptance with Awareness'. (Some would say desensitizing but I don't think we can ever really desensitize - nor do we want to - a horse.)
Very interesting that you consider bending him as being another form of pressure. That makes perfect sense to me. Another excellent trainer that I follow thinks that bending horses and keeping them moving in a tight bend is calming. That has never made sense to me. Idk which is right but I feel better not being the only one who doesn't think bending is calming.
I think a lot of people doing 'home training' can forget to check for signs of bending being/for calming purposes (Or bringing the horse back to you), they bend for a physical response rather then wait for the emotional/mind response that can come after time. So bending ends up just being another pressure/cue/demand rather then the hopeful follow up of the horse coming back to you or remembering that this position should invoke 'calm down'. If you get what I mean. Like asking for something and horse does said thing and you release pressure, but didn't wait for them to relax into it or truly except/understand the cue being asked of them (Which isn't just to bend their head but calm down/accept what's happening). Horses can stay really tense with bending, so unless your looking for it, you may have taught your horse nothing else but another movement (Which doesn't come in handy at all for a future melt down). ;)
Horse trainer here - Bending is pressure, absolutely. Especially with a bit. Bucking is often caused by forward energy from the horse being met with backwards energy from the bit. When there is force going forward and force going backward (or sideways in the case of bending), the energy can only go upwards (hence bucking and rearing). However, by starting them properly with bending in hand with just a halter, we teach them that this cue is asking for relaxation. A lot of people only expect the horse to stop their feet, what you actually want to wait for before you release the pressure is an ear/eye on you and then work up to only releasing when the horse relaxes. This trains the horse to think "relax" the moment that touch comes on with the bridle or halter. Teaching the stop and backup should be the same, pressure in the mouth shouldn't mean pain, we want it to mean "relax, everything is going to be okay" which will get our horses thinking about it when that bit comes on. It doesn't just immediately mean the horse is relaxed when we put them in a bend, people have gotten very confused about that, it means you train them to understand that cue as "relax".
Regarding sneaky- one time the barn cat came slinking down the aisle and my horse watched him like he was a cougar. It was funny. He's not afraid of cats - he's not afraid of coyotes for crying out loud! It was the sneaky.
@@ryanrosehorsemanship Thank you, I do enjoy watching your clips. Especially your attitude and understanding towards and for these beautiful creatures!
@@jenniferbaker5338 Thanks for coming back to the video for more background info. I guess one silver lining to the mysterious reason for the blow up is that now you get to learn a wide range of possible issues
I have horse trail ride and no problems. We were going down hill slow .. in dirt befit to trot up hill and changed to deep sand. I thought she was about to lope… the realize full blown buck - only thing I can thing of was deep sand going up hill -- never been in deep sand. Thankfully I landed in sand
Seeing her in the back brace....I am 5 weeks out after a very hard fall off a green horse, and my back is still healing. I was also doing a tight turn to the right at a walk, his butt hit the fence, it scared him and he spooked/bolted at a high velocity. I had been too lazy to put my saddle on that day and before I knew it I was airborne and landed on my back. He is a highly sensitive and reactive Paint. I don’t think he wanted me off, I think he got scared. I am very interested in watching the next installments with this Quarter Horse. I am about to start training mine again and I need to help him be less jumpy!
@@ryanrosehorsemanship thanks. It’s been a painful recovery, and I’m 66. But I can walk and do horse chores again, and tomorrow’s my BD and I’m getting Shadow out and doing some ground work for the first time since the injury. I’m looking forward to the next parts of this video series .
This IS interesting! The lariat used in this way is something I do to teach foals to lead - from the time they are two days old and going out to the field following their dams. I use a tea-towel - and then a lead rope - around the neck to restrain forward movement when it gets a bit TOO exuberant. IME, all foals buck - on the way out and then on the way in - for the first 2-3 days. And then they stop and walk like well mannered foals! Only one bucked all the way out and all the way in for 3 weeks - and at 4 - and a young stallion - he WAS the easiest to back ever!
By 6-7 all our horses are broke in the bridle, Started as coming 3 year olds. I'm not saying this to say I'm right you are wrong and start that drama lol, just throwing out it is very possible. By 6 ours can move off of seat and leg, doctor cattle and be put to work! Whatever works for the person though! Have a good day.
@@andrewcastillo9558 I know there are lots of people and horses doing it just like you describe. I think plenty of them are doing it well and as long as the horse being rushed, then they can absolutely develop into well balanced, even tempered horses. Unfortunately, there are a lot of horses who say otherwise. We can tell by their behavior or their reactions in certain situations that they have been rushed and that they have holes in their training. Obviously, you sound like you know what you’re doing and if you’re on this channel then you’re probably doing right by your horse. I agree, for the most part and I think you bring up a good point. I’m just saying, any six year old horse, even if they were started at two years old( which isn’t always a good thing) at best only has four years of experience. Aside from that, every horse and every person is an individual and it’s often just about people not understanding how to match themselves with the right horse for their ability and skill set. Thanks for commenting😊
Just a suggestion, I'd advise that you invest in dual microphones as there is a substantial difference in audio that inhibits the enjoyment of your presentation.
How do you know the horse isn’t experiencing pain? My horse bucked me off under similar circumstances - I discovered from a trainer he had subtle structural issues in his back and shoulders. Note: I also bought him with only a video reference. No in person meet / interaction before hand. Big mistake on my part. If a horse is in pain, they can only be so stoic about it - if they want the rider off to stop / avoid the pain - the rider is (likely) coming off. He is now a 10 year old, retired, pasture pet.
Excellent point. Yes, pain should always be the first thing to be ruled out. It's been my experience that ULCERS are also the #1 culprit to bucking, next to ill-fitting tack. Easiest money I ever made. I went to a lady's house who had a horse that kept bucking off everybody. She just bought the horse and her husband and his friends were taking turns getting on and getting promptly bucked off. Until her husband broke his wrist on a fall. Then they called me. The horse was in a round pen, saddled and bug-eyed scared. I took one look at the saddle, and noticed the gullet had a narrow angle that dug into the withers. Thus, soon as anyone set foot in the stirrup and sat in the saddle, the horse bucked and the rider would fly off. I changed the saddle to mine, which had a much wider, more forgiving angle. Then I moved the horse around to prove to her the saddle was not going to hurt anymore. She relaxed. Then I got on and walked, trotted and loped. She was fine. The previous owner had sworn the horse never bucked. So the bucking was a shock. But it was simply due to a bad fitting saddle. The new owner got a new saddle and the horse never bucked again. So, YES! Pain can be a cause for bucking. Take care of the pain, and if that's the issue, the bucking stops immediately.
@@Schiffon If you know that woman, maybe suggest she drug test that horse with hair samples. Since the horse nearly killed her or put her in a wheelchair, she may have a case she can take to court. These unscrupulous sellers really piss me off. They'll sell a drugged up dangerous horse to someone who wants a kid horse.
@@scottiehall8695 thats why you always take drug test and if they say a 5 year old can ride it,get their 5 year on it.if they say its a good jumper ask them to jump etc
Ryan - I have a very nervous 14 yo mare for trail riding on a free lease. I'm trying to decide whether to buy her. I like her. But she is chronically anxious, walks a trench into her paddock nonstop, can be buddy sour out of anxiety, etc. Under saddle she is always scanning her environment to the right, left, and behind. A trainer told me to correct her every single time she looks side to side. The trainer says that by reminding her to face forward and refocus, you are communicating that the rider is alpha and monitoring her safety, that her only worry is to refocus on the task. The trainer says that this calms the horse to feel like she is being so closely monitored. Do you agree with this? I've been doing this. She is getting easier and easier to correct. On the other hand, she gave a huge buck when she was thwarted from running through my hands to catch up and runs backwards when she is asked to separate from her pasture mate. Can an anxious horse like this become reliably safe? She goes out alone. I love how she is forward going and confident over trail obstacles, willing, and has lovely gaits. Also, she tends to be highly reactive without thinking. When the rider is nonreactive and gives her a moment to think, she makes cooperative choices. Thank you for your thoughts.
I'm not Ryan, obviously, lol, but I am a trainer and I've retrained horses, just like the one you described, because the owners decide to buy these kinds of horses when they should not have done so. So I tell you what I have told clients who have the chance to buy such a horse: DO NOT BUY. That horse NEEDS to be RESTARTED. What you're doing now is "stealing rides." That horse has too many holes in the training for you to simply think you can get away with just riding and "correcting" and all that... So, if you want to retrain from the GROUND up... groundwork, etc... then go to riding... go ahead. But figure on a 6 month to a year deal before you see a truly confident horse. If you are not able to put in that kind of time, daily training sessions, then forget it. It just takes one good buck to put you in the hospital. Just one. Is it worth it? There's a reason why she's a free lease and why she's for sale. The owner is hoping to unload this horse onto anyone willing to risk their health. There are tons of well-trained horses available. Get one of those.
An anxious horse will never be reliably safe, that being said! Just because she has anxiety doesn't mean she can't learn to trust you, it'll just be alot of hard work and will be frustrating and scary sometimes but she CAN learn. My advice? Build trust with her on the ground first. If she's buddy sour then you need to tackle that first before you can even think of hopping on and riding around. Build trust on the ground by doing little things like just grooming her in her pasture(pasture because if she spooks or freaks you have space to get away), giving her some treats and petting her while talking so she learns your voice and associates you with comfort. The anxiety will always be there and just correcting her won't fix it. This is something that has to be tackled on the ground THEN the saddle. I wouldn't buy her and instead come up with a concrete lease contract stating you'll do a trial for a few months and if she isn't for you then return her. This mare does need restarting and trust. I would also switch trainers and find someone with a gentle method. If you want this horse then expect to put an immense amount of money, time, effort, and love into her. She will be HARD HARD work and if you can't put in 5-7 days a week of training or can't afford a decent trainer then you shouldn't buy or lease her. If you don't lease or buy her it would be worth your time to let anyone else you know who's interested in her that she's alot of horse.
Hi Ryan I found this series very interesting. Is there a cinch position on the horse that will lessen the claustrophobic feeling? Talking about the position being the leg not how tight
I have 5 different cinches, the one I use most is actually meant for roping and is very wide in the center portion. I also use a slimmer version of that and then a common cinch with wider strands, a 'skinny' cinch with a sheepskin cover and a reinforced sides and center strands type that works well with a shorter or barrel racing type saddle. Tighten the cinch, walk the horse a few steps and re-tighten, walk a few steps and check the cinch strap, then back the horse a few steps. You don't want any skin being pinched where the cinch goes. Just because a cinch came with the saddle doesn't mean it's a good one or even the right type for your riding style. Sometimes adding a breast collar helps by stabilizing the saddle more so it isn't moving on the horse. I'd also check the saddle pad or blanket to make sure there's nothing on them that can irritate the skin.
Couldn’t imagine getting thrown off a horse and immediately taking him to a trainer. She should’ve got back on and kept riding him. That teaches a horse that bucking won’t help a thing. Even when you get thrown, you hav ego get back on or else you just taught your horse they should buck every time.
Buys a horse without doing the proper things needed to make sure the horse is sound and gets bucked off. I AM SHOCKED!! Someone needs to do more videos on people buying the "pretty" animal cuz hes cute syndrome.. My woman did that. From day one of her teaching me about horsing it was drilled into me.. NEVER BUY A HORSE WITHOUT CHECKING IT OUT A LOT! When she made the choice to get the horse I threw her own words back at her. You told me to never buy a horse without going to check it out and then check it more. Show up unannounced to check it because bute etc.. She had been talking to the rescue lady for over a year about finding a husband horse. She trusted her.. I said.. YOU TOLD ME TO NEVER DO THAT! Needless to say she got Willow and she was a fine specimen of a horse but.. The rescue lady lied as usual. Never trust anyone involved in horsing. Always do the homework needed. You cannot trust anyone. Its your life at stake. Willow was eventually sold to someone who was able to finish her and make her safe. We didnt want to invest the time... DONT GET A HORSE CUZ THEYRE PRETTY OR CUTE. LEARN ABOUT HORSING FIRST. Its a serious commitment to do this.
Yep a friend of mine sent me an add a friend of hers had advertising 2 horses for sale.. She was honest with their faults it seemed said she didn't have time to ride was why she was getting rid of them then at the end of the add said "would swap for the right horse" RED FLAG
Yeah. My mom was helping me shop and she wanted to cut all the corners and buy whatever horse was cheapest because "you can't be picky, Im buying you a horse". FYI, me being "picky" was not buying an OTTB because I didnt have the experience to train one and I didn't trust someone when they said their 4yo was a solid mount and well trained and I wouldnt have any problems with him. Well, I was getting so fed up with my mom and frustrated that we had been looking for 3 months and hadn't even seen a horse yet that when my mom came in and told me a woman had a 20yo arabian for sale that was 15.2hhs and had been trained for 10+ yrs in dressage I wasn't quick to question anything. TLDR: the woman hadnt ever rode the horse, the horse was her daughter's who hadnt ridden him in 2 years, she lied about him alot. He didn't catch well, he didn't stand at all to mount, instead he'd trot or canter away, he didnt groom easily, he was a pasture puff for 2+ years and there was no way we were paying 5 grand for him.
@@gapcreekonline948 And ad my mom sent me said "Hadn't been ridden since october so no test rides" why did they stop riding the horse? Why did that mean no test rides? Why wouldn't you ride her again to be ready for selling? It was a huge red flag.
Bad mistake, never never buy a horse sight unseen especially a green horse that is not fully trained. Once you purchase a difficult horse you are stuck with it, they are hard to resell. I always suggest leasing a prospect first.
While I'm a big advocate of roping horses and acknowledge that you have a very high skill level, I wanted to address some points for those who may try this after seeing you do this in a very short video. You never want to purposely put a horse in a situation where it is impossible to give it release. For this reason it is best to do this in a round pen which has a diameter smaller than the length rope you are using. Even if you do this, things can get exciting. You just have a greater chance of remaining in control of the rope. Another thought is don't try this for the first time with a saddle on. There are too many saddle parts where a rope can get hung up and you won't be able to give the uninitiated horse some release.
My Qtr has developed a bolt n buck response to pressure because each time he has put me into hospital and I havent had a chance to address it on the ground.. so my bad for sure BUT Im sorry.. I fully believe some behaviours in horses are intentional.. feel free to bash me for it..
What could it be if the opposite happens? I e . My boy suddenly stops dead without warning so sharp that my upper body moves forward bit like whiplash.
I've only watched 2 of your videos, both about horses that buck. The palomino and now this one. They both look in way too good condition...lol Is this because they get too much good food and not enough exercise?
Those quarter horses look so tiny….more with Americans being big. It’s like a grown man riding a mini-motorcycle. Ride every day and your horse will learn to live to please you.
Lady you got scammed this sounds like a Craigslist buy, just like you don't trust Craigslist horse sale descriptions you don't trust any horse description. Fact if a horse was great it would not be for sale. Unless the only reason for sale is moving or finances but that is often not the case. Just like you have to find this horse a new home. The last person pawned him off to you. The horse is fine, he just needs some real training and a horseman to own him for a year or three. All good horses were owned by good horsemen at some point in their life. No horse is born a good horse it 100% is the trainer. Who started the horse means more than the age, the breed means more than any other stat. I don't mean who as it was it famous person it just has to be a good horse someone that truly knows horses it can be a person that has only owned 3 horses but they just have a great understanding and ability to read and work with horses. When Ryan starts with this horse he said that was a reaction for a 6yo horse. The age of the horse means nothing a 20-year-old horse would have the same problem if it was owned and handled by people who did not know what they were doing. Again it is who owned or who started the horse that plays the biggest part in who the horse is throughout its life.
It is most often due to the girth to Tight over their Ribs. Its not around The belly but The chest. If they are excited it Will help to longue them for 5 minutes. Dont pull The girth so hard. You SEE on their Eyes that they PANIC. THANKS
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Very cool, but just wanted to mention, that’s not how a “frost free” hydrant works.
NEVER blame the horse. We are the ones who put the tack on, who ride, who train, if the horse has a problem WE are the problem. Whether it was past abuse or dodgy training, or a present change of tack or a new rider, we have done something to cause the problem. Blaming the horse will only lead down a path of frustration, pain, anger, and sadness for horse and rider.
Example:
I ride classic dressage and 5 months ago I bought a gelding. He's pretty much the perfect horse! He can go on trails, be near traffic, gets along great with other horses, tacks up well, no buck, no rear, no bolt or bite. When our training took us to going on the vertical and starting the basics of collection he did well! We did a week of just walking and doing circles and bending then working on transitions to a halt and stretching more. The next week my trainer got on and my gelding went on the vertical and walked around with no problem. My trainer suggested using a flash to keep his mouth shut while riding and that's when problems started. We changed his bridle and my trainer adjusted it. First time on with the flash and new bridle, my horse ran back and spun around( he used to do this when mounting so I stayed on) and from there it was 3 weeks of small bucks, attempted rears, backing up quickly, running off, and he eventually stopped coming to me in his pasture. My trainer told me he was just grumpy but I didnt trust thay because my gut told me otherwise. I KNEW that bridle had something to do with it so I adjusted it myself. I put his bit down one and that helped alot, I mean ALOT. I then removed the flash and at the end of a ride asked him to go on the vertical and he did it with no hesitation. We walked two laps like that and when I got off I gave him so many scratches and treats and I praised him and promised him to never make him ride with flash ever again.
Since then we've had no problems and the relationship between us has started to repair.
This is the best explanation I have seen of a horse that hasn't bucked before, suddenly putting you on the ground. My story is almost identical to your client's, except I have had this sensitive horse since he was 2. He had a couple bad trainers, well not a good match, that made him more sensitive and terrified. I pulled him from one when I walked in the barn to watch and she had him lunging at Mach 9 and as soon as he heard my voice he stopped and trotted over to me and put his head on my chest. I'm pretty sure I heard him say "please take me home". I made the mistake of thinking trainers know more than I do. Not all of them. I got him to an excellent trainer in Arizona for 60 days and rode him all summer out on trails and in the outdoor arena. Winter in Alberta hit, and he had 5 months off. Pretty fresh come April and I kinda lost my confidence so he went back to a trainer for a tune up. They were supposed to be all around training, but he got cowhorse training which was lope in circles fast, stop, backup, and rollback and off at a lope, all with Martingales or some weird tie down with a chain across his forehead. I didn't have the confidence to pull him outa there and they kept making the promises they had made in the beginning. Drag a log, ride in the field, put pressure on and release at the right time. After 30 days I started riding him again, and was glad to have him to myself in the arena, back to transitions and slow lope, no head gear gimmicks. He was good, but we never did get out on the trail. So I took him to the mountains with friends as I had planned months ahead. "They always come back better from the mountains", at least that has been my experience in the past. I pushed him beyond what he could handle. First morning hurried tacking up, didn't lunge long, got a distracting message from home, everyone waiting, so I got on and he WAS elevated. He told me not to get on yet. His neck was rigid, but I ignored. So we walked in little circles to keep his feet moving as everyone else mounted up. I pulled his head over, asked for his hind quarters and this was always his calm down que. Bucked 3 times before I hit the ground. He bucked twice more. I wasn't hurt so I lunged him, got back on and we went for a 3 hour ride. He was good. I was nervous. Hitting the ground rocked my confidence. So by next morning my friends convinced me we were too far from a hospital to ride him again. So we came home and I have gone back to ground, liberty and ponying him on the trails. I have been so close to getting on and am sure he would be fine, but with no one else on the yard I am hesitant. I cant wait to see video 3. For all those that have commented that the horse in your video is a killer or a bucker, I don't believe any horse should hold that label. With the right trainer, that bay in your video, and mine too can get past this. There is no way I will sell a horse that bucked. He is not safe to sell, so he has to be trained. That is my responsibility. I am glad there are trainers like you out there, and I am determined to find one. They are about to open the US border for Canadians to travel again so perhaps I can get him back to Arizona for training and lots of miles of trails without ice and snow.
As you wrote this a year ago, I hope things have improved. I think you need to REALLY vet a trainer before entrusting a horse to them. Otherwise you're really just paying to have horse taught the wrong things and get worse. The only time I have ever srnt a horse out for training, my horse came down with pigeon fever. In contrast, if you trailer in weekly and do a lesson with your horse, or watch the trainer train him and then they help you incorporate the lesson into your riding for the next week, there's steady progress. It can be frustrating when you have to delay the kind of riding you want to do because horse isn't there yet, but a year of weekly training makes huge difference. Most of my horses have been capable of bucking under the right (wrong) circumstances, such as being laid off for months and me not doing sufficient ground prep, being lazy or rushed. I don't think that is unusual in a horse that is still greenish.
@@evelynwaugh4053I was just thinking be nice to get an update. One thing my grandaddy taught me was ask for the tight circle BEFORE you ever get on a horse. Look for the back legs to cross over which is a decent indicator of how relaxed they are. Tense horses won't cross back legs. Make sure they'll give you their head easily. This has never failed me getting on a horse, but I've had them break in two a little while later.
When I've done what I should I've been able to turn that head to butt it's hard to buck like that.
This is exactly what I needed. I have an extremely touchy mare. She’s never resorted to bucking but gets to cruising around and jumping sideways or forwards. She’s made 3 people bite the dust...when she gets scared, if she can’t bolt she starts running these tight circles that end up with the rider left behind. She’s very well aware of who’s riding her. She’s been good with me. While she never has the attitude of wanting to get others off her, her anxiety just builds and builds until she overflows, esp. a green rider or one that doesn’t have much feel. Interestingly, she’s my favorite. She tries real hard and is very responsive. Also real interesting to me is she’s one of my least spooky horses to outside stimuli. But anytime she thinks it might be a threat to herself, she’ll go crazy. If you barely bump her side when she’s distracted she’ll jump forwards.
I’ll try this with her and hopefully it helps. I haven’t been sneaky around her…just quiet and calm like normal, but this might be a good idea for her.
@warickschiller calls it the 13th rabbit. The accumulation of 12 rabbits of stress that just needs one last rabbit to reach the tipping point..
Love Warrick.. Beware of 13th rabbit is now a saying I use when friends complain "but he walked by that 5 times already and was fine".. No, he wasn't. You just weren't paying attention.
I'm sure everyone will be throwing popcorn at me for this, but Jasper is very pretty; a really good looking boy. Yeah, maybe he could loose a few pounds, but he is a quarter horse people. I'm sure you're going to end with a great horse, Mam, and the clue to that is that you've gone to an expert once you realized the true extent of your problem. Jasper is lucky he isn't just being sold on with his problem(s) in tact. Great video, sir. Looking forward to Part 2 & 3. Thank you both for sharing your experiences with us.
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Yes. I enjoyed watching this video and listening to your assessment. And he certainly is a beautiful looking bay. Some loving work and TLC wow. I think he would be well worth it.♥️ I like his energy.🐎
I honestly am not a fan of bays but man he’s gorgeous
Ryan Rose is a very good trainer. I love that you see the process with him and his videos aren't filled up with mostly marketing fluff.
Really great explanation about the distinction between a horse bolting when they spook vs, bucking when they feel trapped
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Rather they bolt or jump
I do really like that the frame of mind when troubleshooting/analyzing a problematic situation isn't immediately "blame the horse". I also really like how respectful everyone is of the horses' instincts, because we are asking something really unnatural to them. In nature, if something is on their back, they would be in danger. We're asking them to suppress that reaction, and for some horses, it's a lot more difficult than others. But it's so nice to see people who're willing to give him time and patience and not just throw up their hands, call him a bad horse, and pass him off or put him down.
EDIT: Besides, people lie, horses don't. For all we know he could've been abused, and that may be why he's so flinchy around humans. Maybe he's expecting pain due to past experience.
Thanks! I appreciate your perspective.
He was really head shy when he arrived- flinched with even subtle hand movements around his face. I spent a lot of time trying to make him feel comfortable with me and my movements- maybe I was being too passive as Ryan suggested?
@@jenniferbaker5338 G’day hope you have healed and repaired nicely.
Jasper is a beautiful horse, am looking forward to seeing his re-education by Ryan Rose.
As potentially one day Jasper his deep sensitivity just may save your life, preferably while keeping you safe too.
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Great explanation about pressure and trail riding most people think it’s not a big deal there’s a lot out there to secure a horse and make them nervous
Definitely
What a chunk! He’s a beauty! Hope he gets the training he needs he looks like a keeper.
Ugh yes, if a horse cant handle you swinging your arms around on the ground, don't get on! Learned that one the hard way. I recently have gotten into training, my previous instructor trained ponies and assigned me with one named eve, there was an instant pressure to get on her and ride, but I should have trusted my gut and stayed on the ground. She ended up spooking at a bush shaking after a dog ran out from under it, she took off around the round pen and being the long legged rider I am, accidentally curled my feet up into her flank instead, she kept running until I bailed off the side and stupidly grabbed the fence, that was months ago and my arm is still messed up a bit! For anyone who is trying to get into riding greener horses/ponies, always trust your gut, don't listen to the pressure that you need to impress whoever your riding with. If the horse isn't ready, its not ready. A good trainer should know that!
"There's a bunch of little tight spots that all added up...it wasn't one big thing...He's got to have higher tolerances. His tolerances we're too low which made him unsafe to ride." 👏👏👏 Change the associations
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QHs can very spooky, and they are FAST when they spook. QHs are not necessarily laid back. The spookiest horse I own is a QH mare, she's only 14hh, she's well educated and we have done a lot of desensitizing with her, but she always reverts to "brain-fade panic" after a week or so. She has certain sound triggers like branches breaking, whipper snippers etc that make her spin and leap and snort like a maniac. She's 20 years old, age has not gentled her at all :)
you need to work on desentizing more
@@mihakabercic4457 I have owned a lot of horses. This mare has had hours of desensitizing to tarps, bags, noises and traffic (during which she relaxes and is fine), has been ridden and handled for 17 years in all environments, busy roads, stock work, pony club and comps. She still flips out and has major brain-fade panic moments to things she was previously fine with. Some horses are just that way
@@kidstuff44555 oh ok
@@mihakabercic4457 I have very little experience with horses but even I know a horse is not a computer code you can change to get the correct results, many a horses were killed or sold cheap because their genetics/nature were not up to par, our ancestors who fought wars on horses would not have tolerated such skittish behavior, horses were not designed to let humans ride them the ones that were most acceptable to it were the ones that bred
Harry Whitney would talk about the horse's "WORRY CUP" and how it over flows if we don't empty it every once in a while, He says "If we don't pay attention to what happens before what happens, happens (Tom Dorrance)... just about any horses can blow." Your videos (3) are excellent! You do a great job of building 'Acceptance with Awareness'. (Some would say desensitizing but I don't think we can ever really desensitize - nor do we want to - a horse.)
Very interesting that you consider bending him as being another form of pressure. That makes perfect sense to me. Another excellent trainer that I follow thinks that bending horses and keeping them moving in a tight bend is calming. That has never made sense to me. Idk which is right but I feel better not being the only one who doesn't think bending is calming.
I think a lot of people doing 'home training' can forget to check for signs of bending being/for calming purposes (Or bringing the horse back to you), they bend for a physical response rather then wait for the emotional/mind response that can come after time. So bending ends up just being another pressure/cue/demand rather then the hopeful follow up of the horse coming back to you or remembering that this position should invoke 'calm down'. If you get what I mean. Like asking for something and horse does said thing and you release pressure, but didn't wait for them to relax into it or truly except/understand the cue being asked of them (Which isn't just to bend their head but calm down/accept what's happening). Horses can stay really tense with bending, so unless your looking for it, you may have taught your horse nothing else but another movement (Which doesn't come in handy at all for a future melt down). ;)
Horse trainer here - Bending is pressure, absolutely. Especially with a bit. Bucking is often caused by forward energy from the horse being met with backwards energy from the bit. When there is force going forward and force going backward (or sideways in the case of bending), the energy can only go upwards (hence bucking and rearing). However, by starting them properly with bending in hand with just a halter, we teach them that this cue is asking for relaxation. A lot of people only expect the horse to stop their feet, what you actually want to wait for before you release the pressure is an ear/eye on you and then work up to only releasing when the horse relaxes. This trains the horse to think "relax" the moment that touch comes on with the bridle or halter. Teaching the stop and backup should be the same, pressure in the mouth shouldn't mean pain, we want it to mean "relax, everything is going to be okay" which will get our horses thinking about it when that bit comes on. It doesn't just immediately mean the horse is relaxed when we put them in a bend, people have gotten very confused about that, it means you train them to understand that cue as "relax".
Regarding sneaky- one time the barn cat came slinking down the aisle and my horse watched him like he was a cougar. It was funny. He's not afraid of cats - he's not afraid of coyotes for crying out loud! It was the sneaky.
Hi, I am from Germany, often when horses show strange of seemingly agressive behavior, they are in pain, often the teeth, wrong saddle perhaps both.
This is true
@@ryanrosehorsemanship Thank you, I do enjoy watching your clips. Especially your attitude and understanding towards and for these beautiful creatures!
I had his teeth floated as soon as he came to my farm- saddle always had good sweat pattern after riding- it is always possible though-
@@jenniferbaker5338 Thanks for coming back to the video for more background info. I guess one silver lining to the mysterious reason for the blow up is that now you get to learn a wide range of possible issues
Couldn't hear what the owner said at 7:20 that you found interesting. Maybe write it on the screen?
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I have horse trail ride and no problems. We were going down hill slow .. in dirt befit to trot up hill and changed to deep sand. I thought she was about to lope… the realize full blown buck - only thing I can thing of was deep sand going up hill -- never been in deep sand. Thankfully I landed in sand
Seeing her in the back brace....I am 5 weeks out after a very hard fall off a green horse, and my back is still healing. I was also doing a tight turn to the right at a walk, his butt hit the fence, it scared him and he spooked/bolted at a high velocity. I had been too lazy to put my saddle on that day and before I knew it I was airborne and landed on my back. He is a highly sensitive and reactive Paint. I don’t think he wanted me off, I think he got scared.
I am very interested in watching the next installments with this Quarter Horse. I am about to start training mine again and I need to help him be less jumpy!
Ouch, glad your ok.
@@ryanrosehorsemanship thanks. It’s been a painful recovery, and I’m 66. But I can walk and do horse chores again, and tomorrow’s my BD and I’m getting Shadow out and doing some ground work for the first time since the injury. I’m looking forward to the next parts of this video series .
My horse is the exact same way, thank you so much for the info!!
This IS interesting! The lariat used in this way is something I do to teach foals to lead - from the time they are two days old and going out to the field following their dams. I use a tea-towel - and then a lead rope - around the neck to restrain forward movement when it gets a bit TOO exuberant. IME, all foals buck - on the way out and then on the way in - for the first 2-3 days. And then they stop and walk like well mannered foals! Only one bucked all the way out and all the way in for 3 weeks - and at 4 - and a young stallion - he WAS the easiest to back ever!
Rhyme I love your videos are so helpful.
Also, I’m no expert but I would not consider any/or most 6 year old horses as seasoned trail horses or seasoned anything.
They are still so young
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By 6-7 all our horses are broke in the bridle, Started as coming 3 year olds. I'm not saying this to say I'm right you are wrong and start that drama lol, just throwing out it is very possible. By 6 ours can move off of seat and leg, doctor cattle and be put to work! Whatever works for the person though! Have a good day.
@@ryanrosehorsemanship I like how you rope the feet. Good video!
@@andrewcastillo9558 I know there are lots of people and horses doing it just like you describe. I think plenty of them are doing it well and as long as the horse being rushed, then they can absolutely develop into well balanced, even tempered horses.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of horses who say otherwise. We can tell by their behavior or their reactions in certain situations that they have been rushed and that they have holes in their training. Obviously, you sound like you know what you’re doing and if you’re on this channel then you’re probably doing right by your horse. I agree, for the most part and I think you bring up a good point. I’m just saying, any six year old horse, even if they were started at two years old( which isn’t always a good thing) at best only has four years of experience.
Aside from that, every horse and every person is an individual and it’s often just about people not understanding how to match themselves with the right horse for their ability and skill set.
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@@KingsMom831 you are right! Thank you for being a kind person in response, unlike so many others.. lol.
I love these ones! Where you help people & horses😊
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Just a suggestion, I'd advise that you invest in dual microphones as there is a substantial difference in audio that inhibits the enjoyment of your presentation.
How do you know the horse isn’t experiencing pain? My horse bucked me off under similar circumstances - I discovered from a trainer he had subtle structural issues in his back and shoulders. Note: I also bought him with only a video reference. No in person meet / interaction before hand. Big mistake on my part.
If a horse is in pain, they can only be so stoic about it - if they want the rider off to stop / avoid the pain - the rider is (likely) coming off. He is now a 10 year old, retired, pasture pet.
Excellent point. Yes, pain should always be the first thing to be ruled out. It's been my experience that ULCERS are also the #1 culprit to bucking, next to ill-fitting tack.
Easiest money I ever made. I went to a lady's house who had a horse that kept bucking off everybody. She just bought the horse and her husband and his friends were taking turns getting on and getting promptly bucked off. Until her husband broke his wrist on a fall. Then they called me. The horse was in a round pen, saddled and bug-eyed scared.
I took one look at the saddle, and noticed the gullet had a narrow angle that dug into the withers. Thus, soon as anyone set foot in the stirrup and sat in the saddle, the horse bucked and the rider would fly off.
I changed the saddle to mine, which had a much wider, more forgiving angle. Then I moved the horse around to prove to her the saddle was not going to hurt anymore. She relaxed. Then I got on and walked, trotted and loped. She was fine.
The previous owner had sworn the horse never bucked. So the bucking was a shock. But it was simply due to a bad fitting saddle. The new owner got a new saddle and the horse never bucked again.
So, YES! Pain can be a cause for bucking. Take care of the pain, and if that's the issue, the bucking stops immediately.
Congratulations on getting 27k subscribers
It wasn't the cinch or her saddle, the horse was a bucker and the seller knew it.
Agree, sellers knew, and she has been amazing with this horse that this awful an experience hasn’t happened before now.
@@Schiffon If you know that woman, maybe suggest she drug test that horse with hair samples. Since the horse nearly killed her or put her in a wheelchair, she may have a case she can take to court. These unscrupulous sellers really piss me off. They'll sell a drugged up dangerous horse to someone who wants a kid horse.
@@scottiehall8695 thats why you always take drug test and if they say a 5 year old can ride it,get their 5 year on it.if they say its a good jumper ask them to jump etc
embarrassing. Called caveat emptor. Sucker.
Not specific to this situation, but generally speaking, what is your opinion on calming suppliments?
Enjoyed this video and looking forwards to parts 2 and 3 👍
Jasper could benefit from losing a few pounds.
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No ground work before saddling and riding a horse you have bought sight unseen?
Ryan - I have a very nervous 14 yo mare for trail riding on a free lease. I'm trying to decide whether to buy her. I like her. But she is chronically anxious, walks a trench into her paddock nonstop, can be buddy sour out of anxiety, etc. Under saddle she is always scanning her environment to the right, left, and behind. A trainer told me to correct her every single time she looks side to side. The trainer says that by reminding her to face forward and refocus, you are communicating that the rider is alpha and monitoring her safety, that her only worry is to refocus on the task. The trainer says that this calms the horse to feel like she is being so closely monitored. Do you agree with this? I've been doing this. She is getting easier and easier to correct. On the other hand, she gave a huge buck when she was thwarted from running through my hands to catch up and runs backwards when she is asked to separate from her pasture mate. Can an anxious horse like this become reliably safe? She goes out alone. I love how she is forward going and confident over trail obstacles, willing, and has lovely gaits. Also, she tends to be highly reactive without thinking. When the rider is nonreactive and gives her a moment to think, she makes cooperative choices. Thank you for your thoughts.
I'm not Ryan, obviously, lol, but I am a trainer and I've retrained horses, just like the one you described, because the owners decide to buy these kinds of horses when they should not have done so. So I tell you what I have told clients who have the chance to buy such a horse: DO NOT BUY.
That horse NEEDS to be RESTARTED. What you're doing now is "stealing rides." That horse has too many holes in the training for you to simply think you can get away with just riding and "correcting" and all that...
So, if you want to retrain from the GROUND up... groundwork, etc... then go to riding... go ahead. But figure on a 6 month to a year deal before you see a truly confident horse.
If you are not able to put in that kind of time, daily training sessions, then forget it.
It just takes one good buck to put you in the hospital. Just one. Is it worth it?
There's a reason why she's a free lease and why she's for sale. The owner is hoping to unload this horse onto anyone willing to risk their health.
There are tons of well-trained horses available. Get one of those.
An anxious horse will never be reliably safe, that being said! Just because she has anxiety doesn't mean she can't learn to trust you, it'll just be alot of hard work and will be frustrating and scary sometimes but she CAN learn. My advice? Build trust with her on the ground first. If she's buddy sour then you need to tackle that first before you can even think of hopping on and riding around. Build trust on the ground by doing little things like just grooming her in her pasture(pasture because if she spooks or freaks you have space to get away), giving her some treats and petting her while talking so she learns your voice and associates you with comfort. The anxiety will always be there and just correcting her won't fix it. This is something that has to be tackled on the ground THEN the saddle.
I wouldn't buy her and instead come up with a concrete lease contract stating you'll do a trial for a few months and if she isn't for you then return her. This mare does need restarting and trust. I would also switch trainers and find someone with a gentle method. If you want this horse then expect to put an immense amount of money, time, effort, and love into her. She will be HARD HARD work and if you can't put in 5-7 days a week of training or can't afford a decent trainer then you shouldn't buy or lease her. If you don't lease or buy her it would be worth your time to let anyone else you know who's interested in her that she's alot of horse.
@@user-is6yl9wi7e couldn't agree more
Hi Ryan I found this series very interesting. Is there a cinch position on the horse that will lessen the claustrophobic feeling? Talking about the position being the leg not how tight
I have 5 different cinches, the one I use most is actually meant for roping and is very wide in the center portion. I also use a slimmer version of that and then a common cinch with wider strands, a 'skinny' cinch with a sheepskin cover and a reinforced sides and center strands type that works well with a shorter or barrel racing type saddle.
Tighten the cinch, walk the horse a few steps and re-tighten, walk a few steps and check the cinch strap, then back the horse a few steps. You don't want any skin being pinched where the cinch goes.
Just because a cinch came with the saddle doesn't mean it's a good one or even the right type for your riding style. Sometimes adding a breast collar helps by stabilizing the saddle more so it isn't moving on the horse. I'd also check the saddle pad or blanket to make sure there's nothing on them that can irritate the skin.
@Ryan Rose 🌹..
There is something wrong with the back hips of the horse ..
Full x-rays should be done ..
You should have saw it to, and you didn't ..
I had a brace just like that. Got bucked off and it really hurt!
Couldn’t imagine getting thrown off a horse and immediately taking him to a trainer. She should’ve got back on and kept riding him. That teaches a horse that bucking won’t help a thing. Even when you get thrown, you hav ego get back on or else you just taught your horse they should buck every time.
Buys a horse without doing the proper things needed to make sure the horse is sound and gets bucked off. I AM SHOCKED!! Someone needs to do more videos on people buying the "pretty" animal cuz hes cute syndrome..
My woman did that. From day one of her teaching me about horsing it was drilled into me.. NEVER BUY A HORSE WITHOUT CHECKING IT OUT A LOT! When she made the choice to get the horse I threw her own words back at her. You told me to never buy a horse without going to check it out and then check it more. Show up unannounced to check it because bute etc.. She had been talking to the rescue lady for over a year about finding a husband horse. She trusted her.. I said.. YOU TOLD ME TO NEVER DO THAT! Needless to say she got Willow and she was a fine specimen of a horse but..
The rescue lady lied as usual. Never trust anyone involved in horsing. Always do the homework needed. You cannot trust anyone. Its your life at stake. Willow was eventually sold to someone who was able to finish her and make her safe. We didnt want to invest the time...
DONT GET A HORSE CUZ THEYRE PRETTY OR CUTE. LEARN ABOUT HORSING FIRST. Its a serious commitment to do this.
Yep a friend of mine sent me an add a friend of hers had advertising 2 horses for sale.. She was honest with their faults it seemed said she didn't have time to ride was why she was getting rid of them then at the end of the add said "would swap for the right horse" RED FLAG
People buy horses without meeting them first?? I couldn't. It is such a personal thing imo. I didn't know people ever did that.
@@coffeegirl6854 EXACTLY worse then an arranged marriage
Yeah. My mom was helping me shop and she wanted to cut all the corners and buy whatever horse was cheapest because "you can't be picky, Im buying you a horse". FYI, me being "picky" was not buying an OTTB because I didnt have the experience to train one and I didn't trust someone when they said their 4yo was a solid mount and well trained and I wouldnt have any problems with him.
Well, I was getting so fed up with my mom and frustrated that we had been looking for 3 months and hadn't even seen a horse yet that when my mom came in and told me a woman had a 20yo arabian for sale that was 15.2hhs and had been trained for 10+ yrs in dressage I wasn't quick to question anything.
TLDR: the woman hadnt ever rode the horse, the horse was her daughter's who hadnt ridden him in 2 years, she lied about him alot. He didn't catch well, he didn't stand at all to mount, instead he'd trot or canter away, he didnt groom easily, he was a pasture puff for 2+ years and there was no way we were paying 5 grand for him.
@@gapcreekonline948 And ad my mom sent me said "Hadn't been ridden since october so no test rides" why did they stop riding the horse? Why did that mean no test rides? Why wouldn't you ride her again to be ready for selling? It was a huge red flag.
What beautiful horse ❤
Bad mistake, never never buy a horse sight unseen especially a green horse that is not fully trained. Once you purchase a difficult horse you are stuck with it, they are hard to resell. I always suggest leasing a prospect first.
Duh
That horse needs a restart.
Fantastic thankyou
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How does someone get on your show?
Why is your guests voice always muted your but yours is so clear
When is that gelding due? lol
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Ryan,
Great video! Ryan where can we buy a nice calm trail horse these days?
Would love your opinion.
Thank you so much for all your videos!
Terrible quiet here ! always is quiet but this is ridiculous, new batteries, mike ?
Love these videos but many times the client can't be heard .
While I'm a big advocate of roping horses and acknowledge that you have a very high skill level, I wanted to address some points for those who may try this after seeing you do this in a very short video. You never want to purposely put a horse in a situation where it is impossible to give it release. For this reason it is best to do this in a round pen which has a diameter smaller than the length rope you are using. Even if you do this, things can get exciting. You just have a greater chance of remaining in control of the rope. Another thought is don't try this for the first time with a saddle on. There are too many saddle parts where a rope can get hung up and you won't be able to give the uninitiated horse some release.
My Qtr has developed a bolt n buck response to pressure because each time he has put me into hospital and I havent had a chance to address it on the ground.. so my bad for sure BUT Im sorry.. I fully believe some behaviours in horses are intentional.. feel free to bash me for it..
Kissing spine will make a horse buck especially after popping over a fence or jump
PLEASE FIX THE SOUND............CANT HEAR
Nothing bucks with power like a stout QH, except maybe a stout mustang. I've never seen a gaited horse that was a power or even good bucker.
A nightlatch on your saddle isn’t a bad idea.
What could it be if the opposite happens? I e . My boy suddenly stops dead without warning so sharp that my upper body moves forward bit like whiplash.
Where is Part 2 ?
Hasn’t been released yet, coming soon.
Part two is great. Looking forward to part 3
Looks like a hell of a scar on his right shoulder.
Has pain been ruled out? Kissing spine?
I've only watched 2 of your videos, both about horses that buck. The palomino and now this one. They both look in way too good condition...lol Is this because they get too much good food and not enough exercise?
I would never ever buy a horse sight unseen.
She went from the car accident, hospital, back brace right to the horse....problem was rider...
That was scary watching you get tangled in that rope... But it happens
He might be injured
Might have bucked.. but you fell
Pretty stocky, looks like a Hancock
He is also very fat.
I tend to think the seller knew she had a problem horse and wanted to pass him on . Maybe he just needed a more experienced rider.
He’s not broke.
That is what I was thinking about.
Those quarter horses look so tiny….more with Americans being big. It’s like a grown man riding a mini-motorcycle. Ride every day and your horse will learn to live to please you.
Lady you got scammed this sounds like a Craigslist buy, just like you don't trust Craigslist horse sale descriptions you don't trust any horse description. Fact if a horse was great it would not be for sale. Unless the only reason for sale is moving or finances but that is often not the case. Just like you have to find this horse a new home. The last person pawned him off to you. The horse is fine, he just needs some real training and a horseman to own him for a year or three. All good horses were owned by good horsemen at some point in their life. No horse is born a good horse it 100% is the trainer. Who started the horse means more than the age, the breed means more than any other stat. I don't mean who as it was it famous person it just has to be a good horse someone that truly knows horses it can be a person that has only owned 3 horses but they just have a great understanding and ability to read and work with horses.
When Ryan starts with this horse he said that was a reaction for a 6yo horse. The age of the horse means nothing a 20-year-old horse would have the same problem if it was owned and handled by people who did not know what they were doing. Again it is who owned or who started the horse that plays the biggest part in who the horse is throughout its life.
I had a friend who was a professional horse trainer. He would lay this horse down. Not all trainers agree with that strategy, but I’ve seen it work.
Drinking post is junk, changed to bar bar A. When they freeze and they do there horrible to thaw
It is most often due to the girth to Tight over their Ribs. Its not around The belly but The chest.
If they are excited it Will help to longue them for 5 minutes. Dont pull The girth so hard. You SEE on their Eyes that they PANIC. THANKS
He needs a diet pen to lose 100 lbs. Just sayin.