ok so one major thing that i left out and wish i talked about here was the class schedule. in episode 2 we are introduced to class schedules meaning rosemary and sage have to take seperate classes for the sake of forced drama. the second it stops being relevant to the story the class schedules are dropped entirely so sage and rosemary could take the same classes together. this is a prime example of the writers setting up somthing and breaking their own worldbuilding just for the sake of making their plot happen. Almost everything they set up is just arbitrary nonsense just for the sake of making things they want to happen happen even if it breaks previously established rules.
Yeesh, that seems like a very big flaw to me. My only excuse for this could probably be that class schedules probably have changed off-screen or something. But even that wouldn’t make sense when theres no scene that would involve the changing of class schedules. If class schedules really changed, students should know and there could even be an announcement or something. But, according to your comment, yeah Rose & Sage are just suddenly in the same class. No context. No explanation. Not a single pixel that has the slightest bit of ability to offer a tiny piece of context involving why the two suddenly end up in the same class. I don’t know if I make a good point since I’m still an amateur with making stories, but I hope people can understand.
@@confusedjello7292 not the case as we see sage take carraways class without rosemary and later they both take carraways class together. Either way it makes no sense for someone on a track made specifically for magic to be taking warrior classes when they aren’t ever shown needing to use those skills
@@guardianHQ I see what you mean Man, to think that even I, an amateur & barely experienced storymaker & worldbuilder could see whats wrong here, it’s a huge fuck-up if even I can see the flaws of this show.
Also why Rosemary, Sage and Parsley need to use dorms? Parsley LIVES in the city and Rosemary and Sage can just stay at her cousin's place. And the teachers ignore and laughs at bullying and Parsley should have been suspended for "dropping" her hammer at Aster's foot.
I feel like maybe the story could be more interesting if the girls actually notice all the things _wrong_ with the school and they become trapped or smth or are trying to stop the corrupt teachers.
ikr, i mean i know every magical show that has a school has murders and messed up teachers and stuff, just look at OWL House or Harry potter, maybe the school is actually to weed out all the weaklings before sending them to the actually guardian school 😅😅
Honestly when I first heard about the show I kinda didn’t have much interest. But after seeing how weird and yoyoy the tone is I kinda wanna out of morbid curiosity. From what Ive seen I honestly love the idea of it going full surreal horror where the characters and audience have two completely different perceptions of reality. From what Ive seen you can already drive a line between the super violent parts and the normal magical school parts so just use that extreme dissonance for some unique horror. tldr: everyone in the school basically has pyro vision on and we the audience see what their actions actually are ^^
If Slime Boy we're like a DND bard, he'd be able to heal whatever party he is assigned to in the class, but they don't explain anything about what he does aside from singing.
or hell, the Owl house has warrior bards that are cool as shit, imagine if slime boy was one of those! He could sing, be chill, _and_ murder the shit out of monsters with all the warrior magic that he learns at school.
Or deal damage with vicious mockery, or increase power output, or a myriad of other bard powers. Bards are fun! Also let the "blacksmithing" class be for artificers or something similar.
@@somedragonbastard yeah like they even straight up look and act the same it's insane. Not to mention the show actually *makes it a point* to portray Snapdragon as an evil bitch whereas this show tries to brush off a whole class nearly being murdered by the teacher.
I feel like the potions teacher could have been fun if they had taken the time to show that she was just messing with them. Like not having the kids actually be in danger , have kids from the older years comment on her to the characters like “ oh her ? Yeh she’s crazy but she’s harmless ... mostly “ Maybe give a method to the madness , like she thinks you learn faster when doing ‘field work ‘ or something. But they don’t they’re just like ‘ ha ha child murder ‘
Yeah, I agree! Make it so that during the poisoning scene, the students weren't actually going to die. The teacher was just trolling them as an exercise.
Just like Aizawa from My Hero Academia (minus the being mad part). He constantly threatens his students that he would expel them if they did things that should be left for the heroes (since they're still students!). Then it's revealed that he doesn't really expel them, he just wanted them to experience a "one-time death" so that they learn that they shouldn't be sacrificing their lives thoughtlessly.
It infuriated me when the writers said that this was "something that we hadn't seen before." But when I thought about it, they're right, no one has made a complete mess of a cartoon like they did.
Hogwarts is meant to be parody (to an extent) of how awful British boarding schools can be. Harry Potter might not be the best written thing out there but all the quirks are uniquely British. What's HGS' excuse?
@@BlackGateofMordor And even then, GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATIONS happened in later books specifically because of things like Hagrid's class endangering students (which he had to go on the run for) and the high fatality rate of DaDA teachers. Cedric's highly publicized death in particular was a major reason for Umbridge being sent in. Funny how nobody seems to remember these things.
Here are two things that should have been established early on first that a guardian is a person extensively trained to be able to deal with a myriad of dangerous situations that ordinary people would be helpless in, second is that such problems are common enough that going to these lengths to forge these children's into guardians is warranted. One review I saw had a proposed rewrite where in the first episode, the train the girls on are gets attacked by monsters. I want to jump off of that and have it, so Sage and Rose manage to hold off the monsters saving quite a few lives but are slowly getting overwhelmed either by how many monsters there are or by one partially strong monster. Then just when they are about the fold, they get saved by a full-fledged guardian, perhaps one of the teachers, who ends up dispatching the monsters with much more ease than the two girls had. This would have gotten across the idea that guardians are needed to protect the general populace and that while the girls are capable, they still have a long way to go before they reach the level of one.
Yeah normal I wouldn’t say this but the series actually needs power scaling. By episode one of an action focused series , the audience should have a decent grasp of your main characters abilities and how strong they are at the moment. But here they spent most of the episode chasing some magic creatures with no relevance outside of the episode. As bad as it is now , RWBY gave us a glimpse of how strong characters could be , in episode one we see Ruby able to force one of the biggest crime bosses in the kingdom to retreat , then we get Cinder who is able to keep Ruby at bay. Before cinder could kill Ruby, Glynda came in to defend the girl while almost being able to capture the criminals. In a literally fraction of the time we understand that Ruby is pretty strong but there are bigger fishes out there with even some villains as strong as a top ranked huntresses
I actually rewrote the train scene where Sages broom crashes and then a bunch of fire mages from Witch's country when they on-boarded the train showed up suddenly, three train cars burned down and because of the overwhelming of Rosemary and Sage a guardian called Linada shows up who's Sages idol btw helps them with cutting the mages. Then they talk about the guardian school and the classes and what guardians do.
Yes, exactly! Guardians seem kinda pointless in the story... They exist, but for what? Do they even have any responsibilities? Sage's cousins doesn't look like they have, yet they are graduates... But they are there just to telling that they are a couple, so... Wait, they purpose could have been to show how the life of mature guardian looks like. How they are on duty, in danger, or trace of some conspiracy. But it isn't.
@@a.w.4708 Although I've greatly lost respect for the creator of Attack on Titan, he certainly knew how to portray both the significance of soldiers within the face of danger, and they're relatively personal moments off-duty. If there was just one scene where Sage's cousin has to go on a mission in the beginning of an episode and we see she hasn't come back yet, leaving her girlfriend tearfully worrying in the apartment alone, it could've driven home that they're characters with depth.
That wouldnt explain why doctors need special forces training though, maybe if they had more limited courses available for students that want to specialize that would help
For me, writing has nothing to do with budget, you don't automatically get better if you have more money, you are either experienced or not. Look at the fanfictions, some are very good that I wish it was in the show, and they do it for free.
My guess is that excuse was meant to read as "good writers charge more for their services than what we could afford", but the excuse still falls short because if their budget was so limited that they had to choose between decent writing and moving pictures, _they should have prioritized the writing._ Audiences can overlook lackluster art when the writing is solid (look at the first dozen or so volumes of _Attack on Titan-_ that's some middle school level art); they're less willing to overlook shit writing regardless of the visuals.
More money doesn't make better writers, but troubled development can retroactively make writing worse, and troubled development is often a problem of not enough money. Writing is something that can take weeks or months of experimenting and studying your drafts, and a big change in direction from on high can lave you forced to either re-do a lot of it or try to make the new stuff work with the old. If you make a happy, low-stress kid's show and then the suits say it needs blood and swearing, well now what? You've already written all the dialogue, you can either spend a few days going over all of it to see if some profanity can fit in, or you can ctrl+r a few "fucks" in in five minutes. At best, a bunch of time that would have been spent on polish is now being spent on adding vulgarity you didn't need. The blood is worse, if your story is built around violence being soft and low-consequence then that's going to clash horribly with having monsters shower your protagonists in gore. You basically have to re-write the entire story if you have a kid's show and then the suits say you need blood, and remember, you were already on a deadline when you were writing it the first time. Imagine if you were an architect designing a house and once your contractors had already started working, the manager came in and said that the design is mostly fine but the garage needs to be on the other side. It shouldn't be an issue since it's all the same concepts, you've already purchased the materials, and really you're only moving one room, right? Well, no, that actually changes everything, and if you had gotten this edit before work began you could have adjusted it but now you don't have time to undo and redo a bunch. Depending on how pressed you are, the house might be sold with a big concrete slab on the right side from where the garage was supposed to go, a door cut into a bathroom for where the garage actually went, no windows on the right side since they were going to be blocked by the garage anyways and windows that can only see your car on the left because the garage wasn't supposed to be in the way, horrible imbalance in the house's visuals since the garage was supposed to be an organic part of the design but then got moved to another part of the house, and the garage isn't actually built right, and don't forget that you had to pay the contractors extra to re-do work they'd already done except this time it's worse and sixty feet away. That's what it's like to be a writer in a project with development issues.
@@jerrycan1756 Exactly, people really oversimplify the writing process and I think the bad writing being a budget issue is the one thing I'm willing to agree with. People think you just fart out a complete story, twelve episodes of plot and dialogue and characterization, as if thats some effortless feat you do in a sunday afternoon. But writing also includes a lot of rewriting, making changes that require you to go back through the entire story and rewrite everything effected by those changes. It takes a lot of work, and the idea that writers should be expected to push through it all despite minimal pay or else they are 'bad' is an unfair assertion to make. And that's not even taking time into account People try to argue against this by saying better writers have made compelling stories with even less money, but it's weird that that's the reaction, instead of reflecting on the idea that... maybe writers deserve to be paid more? Like instead of appreciating the work of writers who pour their hearts and souls into a project and get only a fraction of the pay that their writing quality deserves, we decide to use them as an example that ALL writers should be putting everything they have into a project even if the payment is not worth it, or else they are shitty writers.
In the early episodes of Naruto, after graduating from Ninja school and becoming full Ninjas a big question was always on my mind: "Why? why are kids doing this?" That was answered by the 3rd Hokage during the chunin Exam by how its a form of income for the village and a show of military strength. You also see the teachers/Instructors have regular meetings and collectively decide what to do with the students and how to further proceed in lesson planning. HGS feel like teachers were selected and they all have different ideals on what a guardian is and don't have any unified school board. I haven't see the full series but dose any of the teachers talk to one another?
Naruto also made it more believable that prepubescent kids were being sent out to do dangerous, higher ranked missions when their city-state got ganged up by two rival villages and subsequently suffered adult casulalties that forced them to relly on the kids to pick up the slack that Chunin and Jonin would normally handle - which ended up with them becoming stronger and mlre battletested as a result.
They do kinda talk to each other (at least I remember them sharing drinks at one point so that they could be taken out of the story for a bit because antagonist dude poisoned them)
Not to mention that the first missions that they do are basically just Chores, busywork to help out a bit around the village while they continue their training under a jonin. Not suddenly being entrusted with a diplomatic mission where their seniors basically just leans back and watch them screw up.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the cult behavior in this show. The fact that the creators never caught on shows how either incompetent or indifferent they are.
@@om3ga109 this is just my opinion based by clips I've seen on youtube, I never watched the show. 1) the trans principal guy convincing snapdragon he's trans when he could possibly be just feminine. many femboys are forced to be trans or gay, or if they are straight they are convinced that they are just "confused". 2) the old lady close to murder a student with corrosive plant, but it's okay because she's "white and useless". this is internal rasicm taught very quietly especially since many people still believe white people can't and won't experience racism. 3) another white boy appeared supposed to be the reason of rosemary hatred for men for her "gay awakening". he was portrayed to be dumb, useless and misogynistic like a typical stereotype white boy. at the end of the episode, he admitted in his own way that girls can be left on their own, but HE was the one seen as evil just because he's white and a boy. He was also hurted for no reason and even the teachers laugh. 4) students aren't being monitored by supposed teachers or seniors. in a school full with powerful magician, dangerous potions and spells, not to mention encounters with monsters, they were left alone to learn by themselves to use their abilities. understandable in a way, but this is A SCHOOL, not a goddamn witch hut in the middle of nowhere. 5) the white girl having panic attacks, and yet dismissed and ignored prompting her to leave. they are basically telling the audience that this spoiled white girl is a coward, judging by her dialogue, "I'm too young and too beautiful to die!" 6) they were killing mythical creatures. I'm not sure how westerners see the dragons, but in most Asian culture dragons are powerful creatures that brings wealth, good omen and rains. With the kids killing them won't it cause some kind of war between human world and fairy world? Or in HGS world, dragons are evil and allowed to be killed? This show is just a bunch of angry people playing saint.
@@saenekokun2723 im with you, except for one, femboys are not usually force to be trans that’s a myth, people blow that out of proportion and overestimate how often that happens.
Something that might have made Redbud more of an interesting character and less psychopathic is if she announced the tea was poisoned, and when everyone was freaking out that they were going to die, she'd specify that not all poisons are lethal, to show that she teaches her class with hands-on experience forced on them because she believes that's the best way they'll learn. And when one student starts to react far worse than everyone else, she quickly gives him an antidote and asks him if he forgot to list any allergies on his personal info in the application. This would show that she not only cares about their wellbeing, but studied their information to get to know them before they even met her.
I’ve also wondered this: Why are there modern things involved in this supposed “fantasy” world? Like, I don’t know, firefighters? Modern casual clothing? Hell, even that octopus mech. I know I sound nitpicky, but come on. If you’re trying to do a fantasy world, make sure everything fits in the time period.
Akazukin ChaCha does this as well, but with that one it's essentially a hilarious comedy that mostly doesn't really take itself seriously except when it really needs to. Not to mention they make good uses of them as well. Oh what you do know, more proof of it being an Akazukin ChaCha ripoff... just wow, they really thought they could get away with it.
Here's the thing that always bugs me about the school. These students are being handpicked because they have 'exceptional qualities', (words directly from the maiden and I will be emphasizing a lot) qualities that we actually don't know even till now. Then why are they still learning basic stuff like ethics and sacred languages? These students should have been intermediate to expert levels by the time they enrol. It's like college students going back to study elementary, it makes no sense. They don't even know what they want to become, this is literally summer camp for these kids. Come to think of it, it makes some sort of sense why the school is operating like that, but the writers forgot that these students were selected for their 'exceptional qualities' halfway through. Which furthers your point on just having no consistency throughout the whole series The blacksmithing class for example, those students look like they have never crafted anything before and the only person who is pretty much an expert is parsley. So is the school lying that they picked those students for their 'exceptional qualities.' Why are they wasting their time learning basic stuff of their profession? Potions class, I actually understood now why Redbud began the first day poisoning the students. Because according to the triad, they should have 'exceptional qualities' already. They should be able to craft an antidote on the spot. But no, they don't know anything, and half of those infected students just legit gave up. They send them to their death in the cave because these students have exceptional qualities, they will figure it out how to get out of there. But no, the writers have to pull the most convoluted nonsense out of their ass to progress the story for their main characters Then some students like thyme can go study warrior and magic classes like a red mage. Pardon my ignorance and throwing this off a tangent because I view red mages only from the early Final Fantasy entries, and I freaking hate red mages. You just can't master magic and physical weaponry like that, you're just going to be average at both. So Thyme is just wasting her exceptional qualities in this school. Why is Sage learning weaponry when she is all about magic? If they want to incorporate real life college into a fantasy world, have Thyme major in physical weaponry with minors in magic. Parsley in this case would be major in blacksmithing and minors in weaponry. Sage, major in magic and minors in potions, Rosemary is just major in weaponry, no other minors And you're also telling me a seasoned warrior like rosemary can't even take down a baby dragon? Acts like a complete buffoon, has toxic relationships with her friend sage. Cannot judge situations to save her life, her mother just appeared in a dungeon under the school after so many years, and she just eats that shit up. Was spared her life because the writers literally had to nerf mandrake and make him dumb. Not self aware to know that she was vulnerable at that point, all she wanted was to get that asshole. Remember...exceptional qualities we're dealing with here. The corruption and nepotism in this school is really a league of it's own
Red Mages in Final Fantasy do have limited use of both physical and magic capabilities. Their weaponry is mostly swords, rapier, or staffs, while their magic usually caps out at mid-tier spells that become outclassed by late game, often by mid game. They are hardly masters at either. The rest of your points are very good, though.
Pressed for time: had 4 years to make it, and wouldn't be as bad if it was an organized effort Pressed for budget: shouldn't have even HAD a budget given its source Hiring storyboard artists b4 script was done: should've told the artists to take some time acquainting themselves with designs, practicing sketches of them, playing around with throwaway gag/blooper ideas, etc. until the script is done, so they'd get better/more efficient at sketching AND possibly get some ideas/motivation out of it for the writers An adult show instead of a kid show? So what? The opposite would require many revisions, but as long as a show is ENTERTAINING adults won't care if it lacks gore and innuendo.
@@guardianHQ Yes. Also, many inconveniences would have also been solved if the writers focused on outlining the episode's plot before anything else. Then it would've only been a matter of making the plot outline for the ep. happen with dialogue and actions. That would make it faster, and more solid, which would streamline the whole production process as a consequence.
The budget thing is also a lie considering they got famous voice actor Cam Clarke(who is openly gay, meaning they missed an opportunity to at least make a gay man character, like have him voice Slime Boy, but NOOOO they decided to have him voice the straight buff cat) & also famous musician Steven Argila to compose the soundtrack.
@@sophiagonzales8974 EXACTLY! Yeah, they got DR Movie which definitely means they were lying! If it were AKOM, then I would at least believe that the "animating" part of the show was low budget, but DR Movie!? Really!?!? Now THAT'S suspicious(or should I say, "sus")!
With the fact that tjis was originally a webcomic by Raye, along with him having used the characters as a university project, both long before production for this train wreck began, it's bizarre with how broken the show actually is. Fundamentally, the problems with the show come down to just one thing...poor management. All the problems stem from there, as Raye said they started boarding before the first script even came in, then when you see how many storyboard artists (I use that term veeery loosely) worked on the eps, you wonder why they were even hired and question why so many, as most shows (even highly financed ones) really only have 1 or 2 on staff, sometimes three, here, up to eight! And they wondered where all the budget was getting spent... poor management!
Creative writing just doesn't seem to be Raye's thing. I'm not saying this out of spite mind you, but it makes me wonder if he missed any kind of writing classes that would've helped him get the talent and skill to have his series related projects even remotely work. Also, to add on to what you said with the needless amount of storyboard artists, did you know that this show has *six* directors? Seriously wtf SIX DIRECTORS for a series that is MERELY TWELVE EPISODES?? Has Raye EVER heard of the saying "too many cooks spoil the broth?" No wonder why this series has such an unclear AF vision...
@@darkfrost-star6317 I disagree Raye has at least decent writing if you look at his calarts plot of tressure island with Rosemary it just he didn't use his time wisely to write a proper story honestly I don't know what this guy does on his free time and why he didn't take the time to write a proper story. Also I agree too many directors one or two is enough if he hires a director make it someone with at least decent writing capabilities.
Authors want school-setting and spirit of dangerous adventure but dont want think. So instead of creating conditions to adventures happen with students of magical school they just remove any safety from the school
"All female writing staff" when that is the first and major description you give your own staff, it doesn't bode well. Their gender shouldn't have more impact than their actual contributions to the literal world. I can only imagine how some of the writers felt... having accomplished so much and probably worked in the writing field for years... yet when their own company describes them the only thing they mention is their gender.
And its to things like that that people nowadays asociate female writers with bad products, they asociate their gender so much with their souless product that when it fails people will obviously use the gender stuff as an excuse. Even sadder considering that people Like Hiromu Arakawa exist, that woman msde FMA arguably THE best shonen, she honestly doesn't recieve the recognition she deserves
That was actually Crunchyroll being stupid and cutting people's lines up, with the people working on the show not knowing how the clips would be taken out of context. Doesn't excuse the rest of the show, but that's one of the few things the show itself isn't at fault for imo.
All female writing staff I normally wouldn’t care, but these days where all they care about is superficial nonsense it automatically sends up red flags. It only got worse when I saw pictures of what they looked like. Stupid haircuts, neon dyed hair, no sense of professionalism in their demeanor or attire. They didn’t hire writers, they hired activists.
Are we sure Redbud wasn't intended to be a villain at some point before being turned into a teacher, but they forget to remove her villainous traits for some reason?
I mean I don't see how Rosemary got in unless it was pure nepotism from her mom being famous, so maybe Aster got in that way too. Heck, we don't even know what kind of entry exam they have, rosemary and sage live out in nowhere and had apparently never left their hometown before, so it's either nepotism, some kind of college style application, or there are just roving talent scouts from the school that recruit you based on whatever you can show them at the time.
Ahem, magic school, ever since the days of Harry Potter, magic schools have been presented with their crazy out of world experiences, typically viewed by someone who is not from the world. Thus "otherworldly." Their function is to teach us how life works while also keeping it natural to those who reside in the area. HGS does this by.... not doing it at all. What's a guardian? What's the difference between new and old magic? Why is this school special? I'm not am expert at magic schools, I only did it once, but if I can do a better job, then we have a problem. And don't anyone blame the budget because I see those YT animated projects with the budget of a poptart and they do better. I don't delve into magic schools, but I assume the process isn't that hard. It has to be one of the most common settings for a reason. It shouldn't be rocket science to take a real life school and mix magic into it, right? I don't know, I specialize in fantasy rebellions, kingdoms, and governments. Anyway, magic school should be well defined no matter what, I don't even know how you fail at describing it to the audience because a school is literally the place where lore dumps happen. And someone tell me why the teachers are trying to kill the students. I need to know.
If Hogwart is a safer school, that says a lot. It was always joked about being unsafe. The difference is, at some points parents even started pulling their kids out of there, because they were scared about their lives. Dumbledore was powerful and kept people relatively safe, but not everyone trusted him even before Voldemort came back. And HP has A LOT of issues, like, it's not good, but it at least had some nuance when it came to safety. I don't think all of it was addressed, but the effort was made. Here? Here it has no real effect on anyone. Characters are like a jellyfish, floating in water - whatever happens around it, it doesn't really care, because it has no fucking brain
@@kamilululu2515 Hogwarts is so unsafe, American kids reading it never blinked an eye at Filch "punting" students across the swamp. (Punting means something entirely different in England. lol)
They literally teach them super powerful “new magic“ that can get out of controll first. If anything old magic had to be taught first before they started to learn a few weaker new magic spells and then how to combine these two together. That's like starting chemistry lessons by experimenting with sulfur acid before the teacher even explained savety procedures
Honestly, it isnt that hard. Generally, a school like that is good for getting a lot of characters together and introducing the world, but you generally arent going to be focused on the school itself after the first few chapters because its done its job. So, you use the lessons to establish your world, magic system where approprate and introduce and begin establishing your characters. After that, the school becomes more of a backdrop.
@@tultsi93 Furthermore, in Harry Potter it is shown clearly that there are forces out in the world that are a genuine threat to both students of the school and people in general, which legitimizes the sometimes dangerous curriculum. It's clear that the show is highly inspired by Harry Potter (though the writers would never admit tht today because... you know), but they just don't know how to write anything decent.
To be fair, “Everything Hour” makes me think of what study hall was like in high school. Study hall was just the school’s way of saying “free time” but with a more academic tone, LOL Except in my school you didn’t go outside and do random goofy $#*t. But I went to regular normal high school in this dimension, y’know. LOL I did a lot of tutoring. I also did lots of drawing & reading comics. I had friends who’d hang out and play D&D or other non-school fun hobbies like that.
The problems with the series has less to do with production and more to do with Raye’s decisions. If he bothered to come more prepared, CR’s meddling would have been minor setbacks.
An ethics class in a warrior school is perfectly sound: the other courses teach the students how to commit violence, or teach skills relating to the committing of violence, and the ethics class teaches them when and why to apply violence and how much and what sort to apply. Not that the HGA faculty qualifies to teach such things.
IKR. Even weird stuff like pottery would kinda make sense for infiltration or spying - if somebody would get caught, they could just say that they are just a humble craftsman and make wooden toys for living or whatever and they would be even able to prove it. Blacksmithing is a good skill to know for arsenal's maintenance purposes and music could be used as a means to heighten students' senses (hearing in particular). Potion class is a must-have even for warriors - in case of a long trip you will be able to create simple potions/balsams just by looking around you which could be detrimental in case of emergency. If you think about it, a lot of this bullshit could be explained just by adding just a tad bit of lore behind it - like, for example, you need to study sacred languages because of the different religions present in the world, because of how important to know the texts (cuz' a lot of stuff in those books actually happened and it is more of some sort of chronicles by that point) and abundance of the cults of all sorts which could be or could not be harmful to society. Imagine, somebody found something like Grail but had no clue what the hell it was and just threw it away or would ridicule Dalai-Lama for not being able to speak English. It's counterproductive or even could be dangerous. The only question is... Why the fuck am I the one who is thinking about that, show? Isn't this whole worldbuilding shit is your job? I don't want 100% explanation, but give me at the very least some fucking base to move from. Gimme a fucking reason for these classes to exist and don't make me fucking invent it. Just give me a hint. Like, one fucking line about how somebody just got in trouble with some missionaries, because they didn't understood that he wasn't trying to harm them and actually came to their rescue. That would be more than enough. This show is inspiringly bad. I cant just comprehend what a graveyard of ideas it is. It's both very sad but very beautiful in it's own, twisted way
Blacksmithing probably also has at least a unit or two on weapons care and maintenance, which is useful when you’re trekking miles into wilderness to battle some foe and can’t get to an actual blacksmith. Or perhaps they have a unit or subunit on how to make weapons from other things, like stone, clay, wood (how to carve/laminate a bow would certainly be included), in the event they need one.
There is also the issue with the society of Lyngarth(I’m guessing this is how you spell it). Think about it, guardians are supposed to be something seemingly important to this world and yet there has been no other guardians in Lyngarth besides the teachers and Lavender. It’s especially infuriating in that one scene with all the people bidding the students farewell to their mission through that murder mountain: you’re telling me not one of any of those people are guardians that went to high guardian academy where it is located and they couldn’t bother to chaperone? Not to mention that if they do exist, they never contribute to the plot or to the characters as examples for what they should thrive to be.
For any aspiring writer out there dreaming of making a magical school setting, remember this: what will the students do when they graduate your school? RWBY (for all the issues it had) tackles this masterfully: the whole purpose of the Huntsmen Academies is to create Huntsmen and Huntresses, essentially the police force that fights big scary monsters that normal humans, and even the police force, are unprepared for; they use specialized weapons, learn to use superpowers effectively in battle, and survival techniques among other skills necessary for combat against the creatures of Grimm. Compare that to The Asterisk War or that other subpar magical school anime where the protagonist's name is Thor and the entrance exam is a completely arbitrary battle against the person next to you without any prior warnings whose name I forgot. In these animes, the magical school setting only exists - teens go to those schools, they fight each other for some reason, then they fight terrorists for some reason, then they fight in a tournament for some reason, but we never know WHY they are going through that. What's the point of these schools, what will the students achieve by studying there, what kind of future are they investing on for themselves?
Thank you; I shall keep this in mind for future reference if I ever decide to write a story about a magic school! I don't think enough works with this premise establish exactly what the students will be doing post-graduation (I know there are some out there, though, like with RWBY, as you mentioned!). Like, okay, congratulations, you have mastered the art of magic!...Now what? Are you just gonna be an accountant some five years down the road?
Depends on teh setting really. If its a world where Magic is the norm, like Harry Potter, it becomes less important because they are basically just going through the equivalent of highschool. Although, I dont...quite see where you are coming from with the Absolute Duo point because, well, wouldnt superpowered fighters be rather useful when trying to deal with terrorists? I could be wrong, but I'm also pretty sure that they were pretty much experiments in the sense that they were trying to improve the technology that gave them powers in the first place.
@@marcusreading3783 On one hand, yes, from a child's perspective we go to school because that's the norm, so in a world where magic is the norm, going to a magical school without any goal is just the norm. But that's from the child's perspective! From the adults', we know the foundation for what they will need to know in the future for their career paths of choice needs to be laid down, thus they teach the kids the basics of spellcasting which is the core of their society, potion making for medicine, handling and caring for magical creatures in the case of aurors and magical zoo staff, flying in brooms in the case of sports, etc. The kids may not have a purpose to going to school at first, but their society is structured in a way that grants when they find their purpose, they will have all of the basics covered up. That's what I meant. The teachers aren't teaching the kids how to fight each other simply because it's an action story and they're going to fight in the future. Hell, they don't start teaching the kids defensive spells and the duel format until they believe Hogwarts isn't safe anymore and change the curriculum out of necessity. As for the Absolute Duo and Asterisk War (and other generic magical fighting school anime), the protagonists never go out of their way to fight terrorists, they're always *caught up* in terrorist attacks instead. But those attacks are never meant to challenge the protagonists, because the 1st year students who just got enrolled are already far stronger than the adults around them and can easily dispatch of said terrorists in one or two episodes tops, if there even is a shred of tension or conflict to begin with. "wouldnt superpowered fighters be rather useful when trying to deal with terrorists?" YES, yes they would! But in a world where kids supposedly go to magical school to learn to fight terrorists, you would assume they would begin weak and get gradually stronger, while the ADULTS who have GRADUATED FROM THEIR SCHOOL AND HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR YEARS IN THE FIELD would be the overpowered ones instead. Why are the kids going to school to learn to fight and be strong if they are already the strongest fighters that can deal with terrorist threats on a casual playdate after school?
@@marcusreading3783 I loved Harry Potter, but that was my biggest gripe about Rowling's Universe. What do these people do once they are out of school? Outside of working for the ministry, opening up shops in Diagon Alley, and teaching at Hogwarts (or other similar schools), what else is there career-wise? I don't know. It felt just a bit limiting.
@@troybaxter Its a childrens series, so the more general worldbuilding is less nessersary, but I generally assumed that those who didnt end up in the shops or Ministry work as skilled artisan types, doing things like brew potions or make enchanted objects. Theres also the various Wizarding media sources to consider as well, but the Ministry does seem to be the biggest employer. Its also worth noting how small the Wizarding population really is when you think about it. As far as we know, Hogwarts is the only Wizarding school in the UK and Harry's year consisted of enough students to fill about two classes worth of 30 students. Even assuming that the war caused a sharp drop in population, that is utterly miniscule.
Saying it now, this show COULD'VE worked having been "For the children" but rather train them to be stonecold killers, with the villains being the ACTUAL "Good guys" trying to stop the academy from creating more ruthless soldiers. That being, if the writing and dialog wasn't ass, there was some level of consistency (*Rosebud*), and cut out the pointless bullshit they add in for filler. This would've been an amazing commentary on how cults can affect even young minds and prove to be VERY dangerous with false promises and conditioning. But alas, we have whatever the hell this is, most likely never to continue or be touched upon. Though I'm sure no matter how many seasons, this show can't be saved due to it establishing zero fundamentals.
I know the cult like environment of the school was unintentional but could imagine a dark fantasy story using the premise of this show? Here's a quick summary of the idea I got. For example the school boasts about being exclusive, but that's just it's hook to get the kids/families interested and keep them loyal. Who wants to be a disgrace who lost such an opportunity, right? Maybe reason the first year is so unorganized and sent on death missions is to thin the herd. Also to get the kids accustomed/desensitized to death. The reason direct student-on-student violence would be punished so the teachers can keep them in line. Can't have you're soldiers-in-training get too much freedom. As the students get closer to graduation they lose empathy towards those who fail, like the teachers. While getting stronger but also more conditioned to to accept the restrictions their vows puts on them. Finding purpose and freedom in carrying out dangerous missions their given. Essentially the school is a candy-coated cult/military-ish place that churns out highly skilled fiercely loyal, but ultimately broken guardians for the country. But it's so ingrained in the culture that no one views it as wrong.
So basically... We have a bunch of girls who look and talk and act like middle-schoolers who attend classes that are elementary school level (like, Harry Potter Books 1 and 2 stuff) but then we sprinkle in some blood and high-school-esque swearing. Are these characters 10 or 14 or 17? They can't be all three at once.
Professor Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters= teaches mutants how to control and manage their powers. Hogwarts= trains future wizards in the art of magic. Acme Looniversity= Teaching young toons on how to be funny. High Guardian Spice= ??? (your guess is as good as mine) :/
Let's face it, most of the faculty members are villainous in some way, barring Phlox and the Centaur lady, since neither of them had much time to be shown to be truly awful teachers. Redbud: Clear sadistic tendencies and possible psychopathic tendencies Triad: Incompetence/negligence towards actual threats to Lyngarth/The Acadamy/The World, especially in regards to the Triumvirate's activities. Hakome: Sexism, favoritism, and negligence to actual problems Dretch: A LITERAL DEMON AS THE ETHICS TEACHER Caraway: Grossly incompetent as well as the whole interaction with Snap in 11.
@@TatsunoKoori I'm rewriting HGS, and the portrayal of the entire cast is different. The villains are Redbud, Dretch, and the Triad. Hakone is a minor antagonist, Phlox and Centaur Teacher are removed, and Caraway is made more likable.
@@d.j.mulcahy1657 Speak of the devil! I'm working on something similar with this show, 'cept it'll be more of an rpg, if anything. Still hammering out mechanics, art, and the like.
I think if the show had early on established that "guardians" are basically D&D adventurers / dungeon groups it would have worked to have different classes like mage, healer, even bards etc. I think it's what they wanted to go for, but they didn't explain it well. The idea of a school explicitly educating people to allow them to form an effective dungeon group is kinda fun in a meta, self-referencing geeky way tbh.
I feel like High Guardian Spice had potential to be like a "Madoka Magica" if it was aimed at a mature audience, where they would learn the school is abusing children and sending them to suicide missions for their own entertainement.
If you read the second Harry Potter book there is a moment in potion class where Harry caused a scene by splashing the potion they were making at the time all over everyone. Snape is then shown that he had already prepped an antidote for that very potion before and handed it out right then and there. Snape doesn’t fuck around with class safety. That is a good characterisation of Snape, showing him to be more complex than just a typical bully. It would seem HG takes a lot of inspiration from the Hogwarts teachers to write their own, but they only watched the first two movie and never bothered to read the books. In fact you can see a lot of half-concepts in HG, as in they remind you of something that has been done better elsewhere, and would have done well if the writers had a better understanding of that concept. For example elves in fantasy settings are often aloof and proud, because of their longevity and storied culture. So in HG they made Thyme to be an edgy bitch because she is an elf. She is also paired with the dwarf because of course LoTR did it with Gimli and Legolas, but LoTR showed more of the racial traits of both character and how slowly it was chipped away through adventures making them good friends. HG couldn’t set up the character properly despite using their races or show any progression. The problem with HG is that the writers rely too much on pop culture fantasy without dwelling deeper into their inspiration.
I feel like this show falls into a problem alot of shows do with its magic school. Its written like a high-school, but with everything they have, it would have worked better as a college. Rune reading class won't mean much if your job is to hack, slash, and sometimes raise a shield. But for some people who might go into the more knowledge based skill sets it would. Highschools make generalists, college is for specialists. Have this be a college!
I kinda wished that they build up on the school being so messed up with how they end up treating their students. It could lead to a much more smoother dark plot that would say something about the kind of community that surrounds them. Maybe that Doyle character would be revealed to be the one who learned the true meaning of being a guardian by leaving the school and this twisted society as a whole to live on his own and forge his own path. And that evil society that was shown at the end of the series is actually a group of outcasted rebels that strive to fight for human rights. With our main cast learning that everything they knew was a lie thanks to Doyle and make a plan to hopefully set things right Oh and then the climax would be their plan going horribly wrong and receiving cruel and unusual punishments!! Rosemary would be the most devastated as she helplessly watches everyone she loved being separated from her as she’s endlessly tortured in a prison Maybe later down the line an attack by the rebels would be ensued on the city. A valiant knight would break into the prison killing all the the tormentors and freeing as many people as they could. That is until they got to Rosemary’s cell. She would be almost unrecognizable at this point. Her hair being all messy and torn up, clothes almost ripped completely off, bruises, cuts, and nasty burns everywhere. With a tired and shaky voice she asks who the knight is. This causes them to step forward. Reaching their hand out. And in a soft familiar voice. “...Rosemary...?” Rosemary gasped at her name being called by the knight. But before she could even think about it. The knight takes off their helmet. Revealing her mother’s face right behind it. And after all these years of suddenly being absent for her life. After all these years of hoping to one day be a guardian to simply look for her. Rosemary finally gets the chance to meet face to face with her dearest mother again. And embrace her at Rosemary’s lowest point when she is released from her restraints. In mere seconds. The little girl falls into her lap as she completely breaks and starts crying. Shouting that she was wrong. She doesn’t actually want to be a guardian anymore like how she thought she wanted to. She was just scared. And wanted to go home. Her mother would look absolutely heartbroken hearing this come out of her once cheerful and aspiring daughter. She holds onto her like it’s the last time she ever would. As she repeatedly apologizes to Rosemary for ever leaving her behind. She didn’t want things to end up this way. She starts to quietly sob with her in the end. Still apologizing.
Bwabbhbh. Thank you to both of these replies for enjoying my little comment! I’ve been doing a lot of writing lately for a bunch of stories that I’m hoping to animate on TH-cam one day so I’m glad my practice seems to be paying off :D
What's interesting is that technically this could actually be a happy ending since Rosemary eventually reunites with her mother which is something she clearly wants. What happens after her mother frees her?
at 3:17 i wished they kept sages design. she wouldnt have looked so bland is she had the little belts and petticoat under her dress. its a better look then what we got. doesnt make up for the writing but i care a bit for the bad designs then the writing i suppose
The main thing that bothered me was the vows part "HERE'S HOW YOU MAKE A REAL VOW" They could have used this as a character development waypoint that shows how much the characters have changed when they can renew their vows in the future but NOOPPE
I feel like the different classes could work if there was different types of guardians with roles and jobs that are explicitly stated. A school about guardians should say what a guardians is and show how different hypothetical branches work together to do whatever they're supposed to do. It might also give the show an excuse to show how the main characters are exceptional and the varying reasons they were able to get in the school.
I actually had a thought similar to that, about going into different types of Guardians and what they could be. In my idea -- which, for disclaimer, comes from an idiot with no writing experience -- there would be two different categories of Guardian: Defenders and Exemplars. Defenders are basically adventurers/heroes, warriors with well-rounded skill sets that serve the people in many ways. Mostly through fighting, but they could also be small time craftsmen, diplomats, what have you. They can choose a certain province or town or kingdom to focus on, or they can travel the world to help where they are needed most. Exemplars are Guardians who pick some particular thing, and dedicate their career to being a master of that thing. So, for example, a Blacksmithing Exemplar would be a master of all things smithing. They would learn how to make weapons or armor of every sort, they would travel the world to learn the crafting and smithing methods of many cultures, they'd learn how to use every material to its fullest, that kind of thing. Or a Magic Exemplar, studying all things magic, learning the spells and how each one functions, mastering many different kinds of magic, maybe even being able to create new spells of their own, etc. Exemplars can also choose what they do with their mastery of their craft, though becoming qualified as one takes many years of study and training beyond what they would get at the Academy. As for the classes, beginning classes at the school would involve choosing what kind of Guardian you want to be, then arranging classes accordingly. Defender-type Guardians usually take a wide range of classes, due to the varied abilities they are expected to possess, and situations they would be expected to handle; a tough program, to forge a proper Guardian. Exemplar-type Guardians mostly take classes directly related to their chosen path, but can choose a few extras depending on what the student thinks would help (so, a Blacksmith Exemplar can take combat classes, both for self-defense and to help learn how to use weapons/armor for smithing ideas; a Potions/Medicine Exemplar could take ethics classes to make sure their concoctions are being made for the right people and reasons; etc.). Qualifications for entry... I have yet to come up with a good idea for that one. I haven't sat on this idea quite enough yet. Just wanted to vomit some thoughts into the void.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 That sounds pretty cool, and the show would've benefited greatly if it had a system like this. I don't have a good idea on how students could qualify either, but I think they might have to have previous knowledge on their field of study? I'm not really sure, but I feel like it'd make more sense for the school to sharpen already existing skills and broaden a few horizons.
@@kiwimellon5104 Thanks! I just kind of thought of this system while trying to create a reason to include Parsley in the group and at the academy. One thought led to another and this happened. And I guess as for qualifications... for Defenders, either an aptitude test or a recommendation from someone (either another Guardian or some province ruler). Exemplars would be a bit more like real life education programs, showing some education and expertise in their field before being accepted. And this system in place would include lots of room for character development... but I've already put too much thought into this. Thanks for hearing me out, and hope you have some good times!
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 Your welcome! And I'd find it hard to believe you have no writing experience because everything you wrote is so fleshed out. It's a shame we won't be able to see something like this play out in the show. You have a crazy amount of potential when it comes to making your own stories! Thanks for improving some random thought of mine, and I hope you have good times too!
Tbh, I wonder if the inconsistency with the school's objective as to what they want to teach to the students came from the fact that this show has polarizing inspirations. According to Raye, this show was mainly inspired by petite princess yucie, magic knight rayearth, and little witch academia. All three of these shows do have one thing in common and that is that they are all shows related to the magical girl genre. However, petite princess yucie was about a special school teaching students about how to become magical princesses essentially, and had the students do both magic related assignments and activities that resembled more of girl scout activities such as community service and the like. Magic knight rayearth was about girls becoming chosen magical warriors to defeat a big baddy and slay monsters as you would've guessed, and lwa was about an academy that well... teaches its students to become witches obviously. Raye probably couldn't decide which inspiration the school curriculum should resemble more, so he decided to go for a mixture of all of them even if it wouldn't necessarily work or make sense...
Isn't Akazukin ChaCha also a big influence because seriously the SHEER AMOUNT OF THINGS THEY RIP OFF FROM THAT SHOW IS HUGE!!! Not just in the school setting & genre, but in art style, character looks, character traits & personalities(ESPECIALLY Amaryllis compared to ACC's Yakko), plotlines, etc.
@@ExtremeWreck I actually have seen some of it before. It's just that Raye hasn't confirmed nor denied ACC being an influence to HGS... That being said tho I do definitely think it is in the realm of possibility. Tbh not only does amaryllis bear a resemblance of yako from acc but also Glenda from petite princess yucie. She's more or less a fusion between those two characters tbh.
@@darkfrost-star6317 Kind of makes me wonder how angry the Filipinos who watched ChaCha & loved it dearly(again, it's VERY POPULAR over there) would be if they find out about this crappy ripoff. Like they'd probably be really, really, REALLY angry.
I feel like, in character, Red would absolutely be willing to be the one to kill the dragon- because she wants to do it. Not for Rosemary- though she could use that excuse- but because she enjoys death. I actually like the idea of someone who has sociopathic tendencies being brought onto the staff due to a number of secondary factors and then being held back by the rest of the staff- only being unleashed when none of them are around.
Caraway is by far the biggest disappointment for me from this series. He was best friends with Rosemary's missing mother turned traitor. Why isn't he helping her try to find her mother? Though Rosemary doesn't seem to be that interested in her mother either. He could have been a really cool character who leads the team into training fights and tells them cool stories about the monsters he killed and talks to them after something scary happens and actually teach. Rosemary should not have gone to her aunt/cousin/whoever they were. She should have contacted her mother's best friend
6:16 I gave AI this : Girls go to a magical school to be guardians. They learn how to use new magic. They learn sword fighting and other skills. Keywords : Girls, magical, school The output was : Girls go to a magical school to be guardians. They learn how to use new magic. They learn sword fighting and other skills. There are 7 schools. It's a school where magic exists. Or something like that. If I knew that the girls go through school I'd have to learn something too. Which I don't. (which I'm a moron because) I have no idea what I am going to do after I graduate, or after college. Like I said before, maybe I'll go back to school and get a degree in something. But I also can't say if I will or not. Because I still have this huge question mark hanging in my brain. I just have it, that's all. You could call it an anxiety, depression, OCD thing. Maybe it's something else. Whatever, if you think about it. Just remember that it is a magic school. Not a wizard school or a witch school, a science school for wizards and witches. And girls are not wizards. We are witches and wizards with swords.
Story fix: The country where the high guardian academy is located is at war and guardians are somewhat soldiers, explaining why they need to learn weapon smithing and healing alongside fighting and itd also explain the absolute lack of guardians. But that wouldn't quite explain why the kids are so excited to become guardians and why the academy is so dangerous
I only watched till the early episodes of naruto and they have trials like this before (that's when I just stopped watching when it was at the forest trial), I remembered the stakes being so much higher and dangerous, students actually died in there. This isn't even half a pinky's worth of what those trials in naruto were.
In Naruto things are incredibly dark and gritty in many occasions. They go through these incredibly dangerous trials for clearly defined reasons and we understand why they are being trained so brutally. They don’t stop their ninja training to make pots or learn how to sing because thats not what they are there for. The tone was made very apparent early on and even though they have quite a few humorous moments it never breaks the immersion the same way high guardian spice does. Naruto isn’t exactly some top tier show writing wise but its leagues ahead of this show in almost every regard
One could pose the same question of "what does a 'hunter' do?" in the anime of Hunter x Hunter, however, they already answer it basically even before the series start in the first episodes: **Fearsome monsters... Exotic creatures... Vast riches... Hidden treasures... Evil enclaves... Unexplored lands... The world "unknown" holds magic and some incredible people are drawn to that magic,.They are known... as HUNTERS!"** In literally less than 30 seconds the viewers already have an ideia of what Hunters do, it really isn't much difficult to create something for Guardians.
22:07 You know what? I'm think this Women was a super villain they convinced to stop trying to destroy the world and keep her in check by sending her children to murder for payment.
A school with such callous disregard for the lives of its students having an ethics class could have been a really good joke. If the series was trying to be a parody of these sorts of magic school concepts, you wouldn't have to change a thing about it except for the protagonists' attitudes and you'd have something genuinely funny.
Sacred languages actually makes sense as a class for a magic school- especially when magic users, use runes. Different languages have different values. For example, direct translations might vary between "i broke the vase", to "the vase was broken because of me", to "it broke". If runes channel intent, different runes would have different effects. Meaning discovering and cataloging more would make more things possible through runic magic. Unfortunately, they clearly never thought about it at all.
2:08 (paused) at this parade, apparently celebrating trainee guardians, someone is waving a flag depicting 🧙, falling to her death in a cave and getting impaled on the stalagmites.
I'm pretty sure the poison thing was just a fake-out... I mean, they said something like "Congratulations on getting through Disorientation Day" afterwards, so that implies it was a mental test. I used to be convinced the skeleton thing was a joke meant to scare the students too, but after seeing the whole mess in the caves, I'm not so sure... though I suppose the creatures going out of control was meant to be taken as something exceptional the teachers hadn't foreseen.
It was never said to be a fake out and there are multiple other safety violations and references to kids deaths that support the idea that she really was trying to kill them. Either way the students are never informed that it might be fake so from their and their parents perspective this school is a certified death trap
The whole school is like the Hunter Exam from Hunter X Hunter. Except in Hunter X Hunter there's an actual REASON why a lot of people who take part in the exam die.
There is one thing they could have changed with Caraway’s character to make his character relevant to the plot. Make him the principal/ director of the academy. Think about it. The Snapdragon convo would make more sense as a principal talking with a student who got in trouble. Mandrake searching through his office would make more sense too as the principal of an academy training guardians WOULD be getting info from higher ups about missions and stuff. Maybe have it that The Triad are aware of The Rot and have Caraway tasked with secretly studying it. His friendship with Lavender can still be the same, maybe have him mention being a Guardian before taking up the role of the Academy’s Director. ( I don’t know, I’ve been putting WAY to much thought on how to improve High Guardians’s story recently and that just something that came to mind)
I genuinely love that you’re taking apart something different from other people. May I suggest asking how the economy in this world works? Do the girls need jobs? Magical minimum wage/ child labor laws?
If you want an adventure in a fantasy school setting done right, listen to The Adventure Zone graduation. The school has a specific purpose that ties into well thought out worldbuilding that is of course a primary aspect of the story, not just a setting piece. Safety is a top concern, while of course for plot reasons things go wrong. It does twist villains and twist villain teachers well, and is overall much better written despite only being made by three people.
It's charitable for you to think this show was written by writers. No, the only qualifier you needed to be on the staff was "Woman", preferably with an "LGBTQ+" bent to you. Writing talent or experience was not a prerequisite. Just adherence to that ideology. The staff just copypasted various anime, Y/A fiction and fantasy tropes they saw in stories like Harry Potter, without actually considering how it'd make any sense. None of them knew what they were doing and your average high school English student could have written a better story. Like you pointed out in another video, they didn't write the plot, setting and characters with the intention of them making sense. It was just stuff they wanted to see represented, regardless of if it makes for a cohesive narrative.
I feel like a way to fix HGS’ problem with conflicting characters in a school for strong warriors is having different departments for different kinds of “fighting” situations. Like, Slime Boy could have an added healing or sleeping effect that can help Guardians fight off monsters by giving them a support by making the monster more weary by singing or some other talent. And other talents can be implemented to help Guardians or to enhance a Guardian’s talent. Dancing can make Guardians more flexible, and maybe some cool dance fighting styles can be used during battle. If someone is a chemist and their friend makes pottery, they can make some INSANE magic bombs that can be used as diversions and help Guardians backstage by supplying said magic bombs while Guardians are too busy fighting off monsters. The simple things that can make HGS less stupid with its conflicting ideas
I just realized that the main characters' names aren't just herbs: they're specifically the four herbs from the refrain of the song "Scarborough Fair".
That sole fact tempts me to write a HGS fanfic starring straight white hot buxoms with actual spice names like Cinnamon, Ginger, Pepper, California Reaper and Melange.
Me and a friend of mine are making a game. Its a 2 person team which means he codes amd animates and I make the art and story. From my experience, the best way to make a story is to step into your audiences shoes and ask yourself "who what when where why and how" this practically applies to all aspects of the story. Flushing out characters while making their emotions fit with the scenery is very important. That being said this show doesn't have a brain. Theres nothing to fix because its beyond that point.
Rebecca Sugar: I made High Gardian Spice in all its awfulness! Beat that! Kevin Smith: oh yeah? Well I promised a He-man sequel, made it about Teela, killed off Orko and He-man and THEN I made Teela super OP and offended both sides of the fandom. J.K: Rowling AMATEURS!!!! I SAY! AMATEURS!!!!! **Throws tweets**
I feel like they wanted a potions teacher that was scary, but not a wet blanket. It's like they made a reverse Professor Snape. Female, colorful clothing, oddly cheerful The three things that are the same are: Potions, weird tests thrown at students, and some level of child endangerment. But if I went in blind and was looking for someone to teach me potions...I'd go for Snape. I feel like I'd actually survive in his classroom.
I'm confused by the races of this universe. In one episode, the magical girls are tasked with tracking down a demon to make a deal with it or something (Idk but I think they end up killing it.) So, you have this grotesque demon the girls are tasked with finding in a cave...but there's also the demon lady who teaches at the school. Wtf??
This makes me feel confident in my own writing. I'm wanting to make a show. My show has a few cliches in it's plot but I'm working making a joke out of it but also making it serious. Plot: An African American teenaged girl named: Dimania with the power to control time, argues with her mother of how she doesn't know much about her father. She's runs away from home thinking she could run away from her problems, as she runs her eyes are blurry with filled tears where she doesn't realize where she's headed. she goes through a purple glowing wall that takes her to a different side of the world: Heaven Haven Reign a forest once filled with a specimen with different features called: Catas. This is where Dimania's adventure starts. History of a Heaven Haven Reign: A war where humans and Catas are fighting due to believing false rumours of how humans came to take over the their home from a mystical forest called: Heaven Haven Reign. The Catas lost the war, they lost everything but until one female Catas takes a stand and uses her powers to make a gigantic glowing purple wall beam that blocks certain parts of the area the humans and Catas were fighting at. That concludes to the war ending, fast forward 15 years later the purple wall somehow is able to let certain people go through (the main character and a few other characters I still need to make). That's all I did my best explaining my plot of my future story. I'll be adjusting the plot so people with have a better understanding of what's going on in my story. But I will start my story off with a war, because I love having action being the first thing I see in stories I've read. Anyway I hope my plot makes sense and that you enjoyed it! (I'm 15, a growing story writing inspired by my mother!)
I'm 17. Keep it up, and overtime think of ways to improve and further develop the story. Don't feel bad about cliches, it's only when cliches are put in place of good writing is when they are bad.
Harry Potter does have dangers in school. BUT, it's either from arachic design choices, or with the expectations that the teacher will intervene if something goes wrong. Students aren't allowed to die. They are allowed to be placed in a deadly situation, but that's it. If they die... Guess what happens? Less students, less confidence in Hogwarts, less reason to send anyone to THAT school. It'd be one thing if a student dies from an accident or an unforeseen circumstance... But letting your students die is another. They're preparing them to let in the Wizarding world, what good is it if you fucking kill someone?
i agree that the writers constantly break their own rules, but when it comes to the question of 'why is Pretty Boy McDipsh*t in this academy' i actually assumed that they were implying he was a rich kid who has powerful/rich parents who maybe got him in that way? i mean, that constantly happens in real life where you hear of these 'pristigeous' universities and you wonder why these braindead frat boys even get in, but it's because of mommy + daddys money. but then again, that could just be me trying to make sense of the writer's tomfoolery also sorry but that two min intro.... was painful
If they went out of their way at least, ONE TIME, and said that the school has gone CONSIDERABLY downhill since Rosemary's mom graduated, a lot of this would be excusable
0:03 so like why is snapdragon using a blunt foil in combat? yeah, yeah training combat i know but rosemary has a magic sword what she used to kill things so why doesn't he have a real weapon like a rapier?
Funny how snap uses a nonlethal weapon, but his(or her?) bestie Amaryllis just wields her wand like its a damn glock, i think it plays into their dynamic more, but then again, it's HGS. Who knows why?
I mean happy child murder schools are a common fantasy trope or just people being reckless, just look at something like fire emblem three houses or every adventurers guild in fantasy . I get its particularly bad here but it is incredibly common
I feel they were trying to go for the whole "Pushing your limits near death" thing, but the writers don't understand logic or how anime works. Like we got teachers laughing about actual children getting killed, meanwhile UA from Mha gets flag over two incidents where a bunch of villains planned a coordinated attack on the school and kidnapped a student which were out of the teachers control.
My question is... Raye has been trying to get this series off the ground for awhile and pitched it to different companies... in that time Raye didn't bother to write a story about during his free time? I mean... he had years to work on what kinda show he wanted and what he wanted them to do etc...
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ok so one major thing that i left out and wish i talked about here was the class schedule. in episode 2 we are introduced to class schedules meaning rosemary and sage have to take seperate classes for the sake of forced drama. the second it stops being relevant to the story the class schedules are dropped entirely so sage and rosemary could take the same classes together. this is a prime example of the writers setting up somthing and breaking their own worldbuilding just for the sake of making their plot happen. Almost everything they set up is just arbitrary nonsense just for the sake of making things they want to happen happen even if it breaks previously established rules.
Yeesh, that seems like a very big flaw to me. My only excuse for this could probably be that class schedules probably have changed off-screen or something. But even that wouldn’t make sense when theres no scene that would involve the changing of class schedules. If class schedules really changed, students should know and there could even be an announcement or something. But, according to your comment, yeah Rose & Sage are just suddenly in the same class. No context. No explanation. Not a single pixel that has the slightest bit of ability to offer a tiny piece of context involving why the two suddenly end up in the same class. I don’t know if I make a good point since I’m still an amateur with making stories, but I hope people can understand.
bro some of the classes they have together and some not,their schedules CAN overlap school kinda works like that
@@confusedjello7292 not the case as we see sage take carraways class without rosemary and later they both take carraways class together. Either way it makes no sense for someone on a track made specifically for magic to be taking warrior classes when they aren’t ever shown needing to use those skills
@@guardianHQ I see what you mean
Man, to think that even I, an amateur & barely experienced storymaker & worldbuilder could see whats wrong here, it’s a huge fuck-up if even I can see the flaws of this show.
@@ArtzieKit i know right? Its shocking they signed off on this story with the state its in
Zenia (Zinnia?) is like... the only smart character in the show for realizing 'Hey, all of this is fucked up. Fuck this, I want out.'
Escaped from the cult of high guardian academy
the only realistic and critical character
"Af lower almsot ate my face. You all are crazy, I'm outie"
I kinda wish we could watch her in the weird universe of the show instead of watching Rosemary complain about grambleball or whatever she said.
She low-key look pretty.
"I can accept sending kids off to their death, but beating up a bully? Now THAT'S too far!"
This god-awful school, apparently.
Hey wait a second.... That's pretty realistic, actually.
@@hithere5039sadly yeah
"NiCe UsE oF vIoLeNcE!"
Reminds me of "I can excuse racism, but I DRAW THE LINE at ANIMAL CRUELTY!"
That’s actually pretty realistic with actual schools tbh
Honestly surprised that Carraway didn’t suspend the student who nearly assassinated him in front of a class of teenagers
didn`t crossbowguy never appeared after that? probably carraway killed him off screens.
@@andermedievil Ninja training paid off.
@@andermedievil or he somehow managed to escape the show
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Also why Rosemary, Sage and Parsley need to use dorms? Parsley LIVES in the city and Rosemary and Sage can just stay at her cousin's place. And the teachers ignore and laughs at bullying and Parsley should have been suspended for "dropping" her hammer at Aster's foot.
Thank god the school burned down
They need dorms because brainwashing is more effective when they’re cut off from wider society.
It's already a stereotype that all magic schools need dorms because it's a boarding school
Because if something happened at the school at night, all the main characters would be close by
Tbf, the bullying part is pretty realistic
I feel like maybe the story could be more interesting if the girls actually notice all the things _wrong_ with the school and they become trapped or smth or are trying to stop the corrupt teachers.
I actually like this idea
ikr, i mean i know every magical show that has a school has murders and messed up teachers and stuff, just look at OWL House or Harry potter, maybe the school is actually to weed out all the weaklings before sending them to the actually guardian school 😅😅
Problem: That would require them to have a concept of what they want the show to be.
Honestly when I first heard about the show I kinda didn’t have much interest. But after seeing how weird and yoyoy the tone is I kinda wanna out of morbid curiosity. From what Ive seen I honestly love the idea of it going full surreal horror where the characters and audience have two completely different perceptions of reality. From what Ive seen you can already drive a line between the super violent parts and the normal magical school parts so just use that extreme dissonance for some unique horror. tldr: everyone in the school basically has pyro vision on and we the audience see what their actions actually are ^^
Make it a horror story about kids trapped in a nightmarescape of a school while learning to defend themselves or something.
If Slime Boy we're like a DND bard, he'd be able to heal whatever party he is assigned to in the class, but they don't explain anything about what he does aside from singing.
or hell, the Owl house has warrior bards that are cool as shit, imagine if slime boy was one of those! He could sing, be chill, _and_ murder the shit out of monsters with all the warrior magic that he learns at school.
Or deal damage with vicious mockery, or increase power output, or a myriad of other bard powers. Bards are fun!
Also let the "blacksmithing" class be for artificers or something similar.
@@dooplon5083 the owl house is just objectively better in a lot of ways. Like the potion teacher is just shitty boring terra snapdragon
@@somedragonbastard yeah like they even straight up look and act the same it's insane. Not to mention the show actually *makes it a point* to portray Snapdragon as an evil bitch whereas this show tries to brush off a whole class nearly being murdered by the teacher.
@@dooplon5083 not just shows very clearly that shes evil but also shows that everyone else thinks shes insane
"Why are you talking like Skeletor?"
"Because I cAn AnD iT's FuN~!"
Valid.
That part came up when I read dis XD
I feel like the potions teacher could have been fun if they had taken the time to show that she was just messing with them. Like not having the kids actually be in danger , have kids from the older years comment on her to the characters like “ oh her ? Yeh she’s crazy but she’s harmless ... mostly “
Maybe give a method to the madness , like she thinks you learn faster when doing ‘field work ‘ or something.
But they don’t they’re just like ‘ ha ha child murder ‘
Yeah, I agree! Make it so that during the poisoning scene, the students weren't actually going to die. The teacher was just trolling them as an exercise.
Just like Aizawa from My Hero Academia (minus the being mad part). He constantly threatens his students that he would expel them if they did things that should be left for the heroes (since they're still students!). Then it's revealed that he doesn't really expel them, he just wanted them to experience a "one-time death" so that they learn that they shouldn't be sacrificing their lives thoughtlessly.
Wait... Did the school even have older students???
@@ChaosMind10531 shit your right , they don’t even have any older students
@@ChaosMind10531 ‘I wonder why.’
It infuriated me when the writers said that this was "something that we hadn't seen before." But when I thought about it, they're right, no one has made a complete mess of a cartoon like they did.
Breaking new ground.
and falling through it.
all the way to the molten core of the earth.
*Velma silently stares.*
@@xempororhxppyx Velma's eyes gets poked by me because I found her staring offensive.
@@BardofHorror36 *Velma used Unfunny Joke about Race! It wasn’t very effective..*
@@xempororhxppyx Velma gets canceled. She becomes a hermit.
You can see the inspiration from Harry Potter, given the staff’s blatant disregard for the student safety.
Well at least the teachers (except the traitors) still cared, and actually tried to protect their students from REAL danger
Hogwarts is meant to be parody (to an extent) of how awful British boarding schools can be. Harry Potter might not be the best written thing out there but all the quirks are uniquely British. What's HGS' excuse?
@@BlackGateofMordor And even then, GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATIONS happened in later books specifically because of things like Hagrid's class endangering students (which he had to go on the run for) and the high fatality rate of DaDA teachers. Cedric's highly publicized death in particular was a major reason for Umbridge being sent in. Funny how nobody seems to remember these things.
More like Akazukin ChaCha really.
And horrible trans representation
Here are two things that should have been established early on first that a guardian is a person extensively trained to be able to deal with a myriad of dangerous situations that ordinary people would be helpless in, second is that such problems are common enough that going to these lengths to forge these children's into guardians is warranted. One review I saw had a proposed rewrite where in the first episode, the train the girls on are gets attacked by monsters. I want to jump off of that and have it, so Sage and Rose manage to hold off the monsters saving quite a few lives but are slowly getting overwhelmed either by how many monsters there are or by one partially strong monster. Then just when they are about the fold, they get saved by a full-fledged guardian, perhaps one of the teachers, who ends up dispatching the monsters with much more ease than the two girls had. This would have gotten across the idea that guardians are needed to protect the general populace and that while the girls are capable, they still have a long way to go before they reach the level of one.
Yeah normal I wouldn’t say this but the series actually needs power scaling. By episode one of an action focused series , the audience should have a decent grasp of your main characters abilities and how strong they are at the moment. But here they spent most of the episode chasing some magic creatures with no relevance outside of the episode. As bad as it is now , RWBY gave us a glimpse of how strong characters could be , in episode one we see Ruby able to force one of the biggest crime bosses in the kingdom to retreat , then we get Cinder who is able to keep Ruby at bay. Before cinder could kill Ruby, Glynda came in to defend the girl while almost being able to capture the criminals. In a literally fraction of the time we understand that Ruby is pretty strong but there are bigger fishes out there with even some villains as strong as a top ranked huntresses
I actually rewrote the train scene where Sages broom crashes and then a bunch of fire mages from Witch's country when they on-boarded the train showed up suddenly, three train cars burned down and because of the overwhelming of Rosemary and Sage a guardian called Linada shows up who's Sages idol btw helps them with cutting the mages. Then they talk about the guardian school and the classes and what guardians do.
Yes, exactly! Guardians seem kinda pointless in the story... They exist, but for what? Do they even have any responsibilities? Sage's cousins doesn't look like they have, yet they are graduates... But they are there just to telling that they are a couple, so... Wait, they purpose could have been to show how the life of mature guardian looks like. How they are on duty, in danger, or trace of some conspiracy. But it isn't.
@@a.w.4708 Although I've greatly lost respect for the creator of Attack on Titan, he certainly knew how to portray both the significance of soldiers within the face of danger, and they're relatively personal moments off-duty.
If there was just one scene where Sage's cousin has to go on a mission in the beginning of an episode and we see she hasn't come back yet, leaving her girlfriend tearfully worrying in the apartment alone, it could've driven home that they're characters with depth.
That wouldnt explain why doctors need special forces training though, maybe if they had more limited courses available for students that want to specialize that would help
For me, writing has nothing to do with budget, you don't automatically get better if you have more money, you are either experienced or not.
Look at the fanfictions, some are very good that I wish it was in the show, and they do it for free.
Yes and in contrast, look at what Disney with actually infinite money up their ass crap out at times.
Exactly, just like OPM
My guess is that excuse was meant to read as "good writers charge more for their services than what we could afford", but the excuse still falls short because if their budget was so limited that they had to choose between decent writing and moving pictures, _they should have prioritized the writing._ Audiences can overlook lackluster art when the writing is solid (look at the first dozen or so volumes of _Attack on Titan-_ that's some middle school level art); they're less willing to overlook shit writing regardless of the visuals.
More money doesn't make better writers, but troubled development can retroactively make writing worse, and troubled development is often a problem of not enough money.
Writing is something that can take weeks or months of experimenting and studying your drafts, and a big change in direction from on high can lave you forced to either re-do a lot of it or try to make the new stuff work with the old. If you make a happy, low-stress kid's show and then the suits say it needs blood and swearing, well now what? You've already written all the dialogue, you can either spend a few days going over all of it to see if some profanity can fit in, or you can ctrl+r a few "fucks" in in five minutes. At best, a bunch of time that would have been spent on polish is now being spent on adding vulgarity you didn't need. The blood is worse, if your story is built around violence being soft and low-consequence then that's going to clash horribly with having monsters shower your protagonists in gore. You basically have to re-write the entire story if you have a kid's show and then the suits say you need blood, and remember, you were already on a deadline when you were writing it the first time.
Imagine if you were an architect designing a house and once your contractors had already started working, the manager came in and said that the design is mostly fine but the garage needs to be on the other side. It shouldn't be an issue since it's all the same concepts, you've already purchased the materials, and really you're only moving one room, right? Well, no, that actually changes everything, and if you had gotten this edit before work began you could have adjusted it but now you don't have time to undo and redo a bunch. Depending on how pressed you are, the house might be sold with a big concrete slab on the right side from where the garage was supposed to go, a door cut into a bathroom for where the garage actually went, no windows on the right side since they were going to be blocked by the garage anyways and windows that can only see your car on the left because the garage wasn't supposed to be in the way, horrible imbalance in the house's visuals since the garage was supposed to be an organic part of the design but then got moved to another part of the house, and the garage isn't actually built right, and don't forget that you had to pay the contractors extra to re-do work they'd already done except this time it's worse and sixty feet away. That's what it's like to be a writer in a project with development issues.
@@jerrycan1756 Exactly, people really oversimplify the writing process and I think the bad writing being a budget issue is the one thing I'm willing to agree with. People think you just fart out a complete story, twelve episodes of plot and dialogue and characterization, as if thats some effortless feat you do in a sunday afternoon. But writing also includes a lot of rewriting, making changes that require you to go back through the entire story and rewrite everything effected by those changes. It takes a lot of work, and the idea that writers should be expected to push through it all despite minimal pay or else they are 'bad' is an unfair assertion to make. And that's not even taking time into account
People try to argue against this by saying better writers have made compelling stories with even less money, but it's weird that that's the reaction, instead of reflecting on the idea that... maybe writers deserve to be paid more? Like instead of appreciating the work of writers who pour their hearts and souls into a project and get only a fraction of the pay that their writing quality deserves, we decide to use them as an example that ALL writers should be putting everything they have into a project even if the payment is not worth it, or else they are shitty writers.
In the early episodes of Naruto, after graduating from Ninja school and becoming full Ninjas a big question was always on my mind: "Why? why are kids doing this?" That was answered by the 3rd Hokage during the chunin Exam by how its a form of income for the village and a show of military strength. You also see the teachers/Instructors have regular meetings and collectively decide what to do with the students and how to further proceed in lesson planning. HGS feel like teachers were selected and they all have different ideals on what a guardian is and don't have any unified school board. I haven't see the full series but dose any of the teachers talk to one another?
Naruto also made it more believable that prepubescent kids were being sent out to do dangerous, higher ranked missions when their city-state got ganged up by two rival villages and subsequently suffered adult casulalties that forced them to relly on the kids to pick up the slack that Chunin and Jonin would normally handle - which ended up with them becoming stronger and mlre battletested as a result.
@@casper_z1259 FACTS
They do kinda talk to each other (at least I remember them sharing drinks at one point so that they could be taken out of the story for a bit because antagonist dude poisoned them)
@@casper_z1259 Bruh meanwhile teen Itachi had to speedrun murder his entire clan.
Not to mention that the first missions that they do are basically just Chores, busywork to help out a bit around the village while they continue their training under a jonin. Not suddenly being entrusted with a diplomatic mission where their seniors basically just leans back and watch them screw up.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the cult behavior in this show. The fact that the creators never caught on shows how either incompetent or indifferent they are.
Or worse yet, perhaps they see it as normal and not something to be concerned about.
Kate Leth is literally a cultist
In what areas? Sorry, I admit I didn't watch the video and am not gonna watch High Guardian Spice, just here for the comment section.
@@om3ga109 this is just my opinion based by clips I've seen on youtube, I never watched the show.
1) the trans principal guy convincing snapdragon he's trans when he could possibly be just feminine. many femboys are forced to be trans or gay, or if they are straight they are convinced that they are just "confused".
2) the old lady close to murder a student with corrosive plant, but it's okay because she's "white and useless". this is internal rasicm taught very quietly especially since many people still believe white people can't and won't experience racism.
3) another white boy appeared supposed to be the reason of rosemary hatred for men for her "gay awakening". he was portrayed to be dumb, useless and misogynistic like a typical stereotype white boy. at the end of the episode, he admitted in his own way that girls can be left on their own, but HE was the one seen as evil just because he's white and a boy. He was also hurted for no reason and even the teachers laugh.
4) students aren't being monitored by supposed teachers or seniors. in a school full with powerful magician, dangerous potions and spells, not to mention encounters with monsters, they were left alone to learn by themselves to use their abilities. understandable in a way, but this is A SCHOOL, not a goddamn witch hut in the middle of nowhere.
5) the white girl having panic attacks, and yet dismissed and ignored prompting her to leave. they are basically telling the audience that this spoiled white girl is a coward, judging by her dialogue, "I'm too young and too beautiful to die!"
6) they were killing mythical creatures. I'm not sure how westerners see the dragons, but in most Asian culture dragons are powerful creatures that brings wealth, good omen and rains. With the kids killing them won't it cause some kind of war between human world and fairy world? Or in HGS world, dragons are evil and allowed to be killed?
This show is just a bunch of angry people playing saint.
@@saenekokun2723 im with you, except for one, femboys are not usually force to be trans that’s a myth, people blow that out of proportion and overestimate how often that happens.
Something that might have made Redbud more of an interesting character and less psychopathic is if she announced the tea was poisoned, and when everyone was freaking out that they were going to die, she'd specify that not all poisons are lethal, to show that she teaches her class with hands-on experience forced on them because she believes that's the best way they'll learn.
And when one student starts to react far worse than everyone else, she quickly gives him an antidote and asks him if he forgot to list any allergies on his personal info in the application. This would show that she not only cares about their wellbeing, but studied their information to get to know them before they even met her.
*Le Gaspe!* is this… A Character?!
@@benduford3746 A absolute marvel to see
Great Scott is a child endangerment. We must arrest the overly idiotic teachers.
Can I steal that?
Thats genius!
(Im stealing that 🤭)
I’ve also wondered this: Why are there modern things involved in this supposed “fantasy” world? Like, I don’t know, firefighters? Modern casual clothing? Hell, even that octopus mech. I know I sound nitpicky, but come on. If you’re trying to do a fantasy world, make sure everything fits in the time period.
yeah its another issue of them not knowing what they want the show to be, everyting ends up being inconsistent
@@guardianHQ My thoughts exactly. If they were trying to go for a Harry Potter like world or something, they should’ve done just that.
Firefighters are not modern, they've existed at least since the roman empire
Akazukin ChaCha does this as well, but with that one it's essentially a hilarious comedy that mostly doesn't really take itself seriously except when it really needs to. Not to mention they make good uses of them as well.
Oh what you do know, more proof of it being an Akazukin ChaCha ripoff... just wow, they really thought they could get away with it.
@@ExtremeWreck Damn. That just shows how unoriginal this shitshow is.
Here's the thing that always bugs me about the school. These students are being handpicked because they have 'exceptional qualities', (words directly from the maiden and I will be emphasizing a lot) qualities that we actually don't know even till now. Then why are they still learning basic stuff like ethics and sacred languages? These students should have been intermediate to expert levels by the time they enrol. It's like college students going back to study elementary, it makes no sense. They don't even know what they want to become, this is literally summer camp for these kids.
Come to think of it, it makes some sort of sense why the school is operating like that, but the writers forgot that these students were selected for their 'exceptional qualities' halfway through. Which furthers your point on just having no consistency throughout the whole series
The blacksmithing class for example, those students look like they have never crafted anything before and the only person who is pretty much an expert is parsley. So is the school lying that they picked those students for their 'exceptional qualities.' Why are they wasting their time learning basic stuff of their profession?
Potions class, I actually understood now why Redbud began the first day poisoning the students. Because according to the triad, they should have 'exceptional qualities' already. They should be able to craft an antidote on the spot. But no, they don't know anything, and half of those infected students just legit gave up.
They send them to their death in the cave because these students have exceptional qualities, they will figure it out how to get out of there. But no, the writers have to pull the most convoluted nonsense out of their ass to progress the story for their main characters
Then some students like thyme can go study warrior and magic classes like a red mage. Pardon my ignorance and throwing this off a tangent because I view red mages only from the early Final Fantasy entries, and I freaking hate red mages. You just can't master magic and physical weaponry like that, you're just going to be average at both. So Thyme is just wasting her exceptional qualities in this school. Why is Sage learning weaponry when she is all about magic?
If they want to incorporate real life college into a fantasy world, have Thyme major in physical weaponry with minors in magic. Parsley in this case would be major in blacksmithing and minors in weaponry. Sage, major in magic and minors in potions, Rosemary is just major in weaponry, no other minors
And you're also telling me a seasoned warrior like rosemary can't even take down a baby dragon? Acts like a complete buffoon, has toxic relationships with her friend sage.
Cannot judge situations to save her life, her mother just appeared in a dungeon under the school after so many years, and she just eats that shit up. Was spared her life because the writers literally had to nerf mandrake and make him dumb. Not self aware to know that she was vulnerable at that point, all she wanted was to get that asshole. Remember...exceptional qualities we're dealing with here.
The corruption and nepotism in this school is really a league of it's own
So true
Red Mages in Final Fantasy do have limited use of both physical and magic capabilities. Their weaponry is mostly swords, rapier, or staffs, while their magic usually caps out at mid-tier spells that become outclassed by late game, often by mid game. They are hardly masters at either.
The rest of your points are very good, though.
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Bro i actually really like this art right here. I’d prefer it if the whole show looked like this, but more complete.
Yeah it’s adorable
Same
Pressed for time: had 4 years to make it, and wouldn't be as bad if it was an organized effort
Pressed for budget: shouldn't have even HAD a budget given its source
Hiring storyboard artists b4 script was done: should've told the artists to take some time acquainting themselves with designs, practicing sketches of them, playing around with throwaway gag/blooper ideas, etc. until the script is done, so they'd get better/more efficient at sketching AND possibly get some ideas/motivation out of it for the writers
An adult show instead of a kid show? So what? The opposite would require many revisions, but as long as a show is ENTERTAINING adults won't care if it lacks gore and innuendo.
Fair
@@guardianHQ Yes. Also, many inconveniences would have also been solved if the writers focused on outlining the episode's plot before anything else. Then it would've only been a matter of making the plot outline for the ep. happen with dialogue and actions. That would make it faster, and more solid, which would streamline the whole production process as a consequence.
The budget thing is also a lie considering they got famous voice actor Cam Clarke(who is openly gay, meaning they missed an opportunity to at least make a gay man character, like have him voice Slime Boy, but NOOOO they decided to have him voice the straight buff cat) & also famous musician Steven Argila to compose the soundtrack.
@@ExtremeWreck they also got a famed Korean animation studio so I'm actually more inclined to believe they're lying
@@sophiagonzales8974 EXACTLY! Yeah, they got DR Movie which definitely means they were lying!
If it were AKOM, then I would at least believe that the "animating" part of the show was low budget, but DR Movie!? Really!?!? Now THAT'S suspicious(or should I say, "sus")!
With the fact that tjis was originally a webcomic by Raye, along with him having used the characters as a university project, both long before production for this train wreck began, it's bizarre with how broken the show actually is.
Fundamentally, the problems with the show come down to just one thing...poor management. All the problems stem from there, as Raye said they started boarding before the first script even came in, then when you see how many storyboard artists (I use that term veeery loosely) worked on the eps, you wonder why they were even hired and question why so many, as most shows (even highly financed ones) really only have 1 or 2 on staff, sometimes three, here, up to eight! And they wondered where all the budget was getting spent... poor management!
Creative writing just doesn't seem to be Raye's thing. I'm not saying this out of spite mind you, but it makes me wonder if he missed any kind of writing classes that would've helped him get the talent and skill to have his series related projects even remotely work.
Also, to add on to what you said with the needless amount of storyboard artists, did you know that this show has *six* directors? Seriously wtf SIX DIRECTORS for a series that is MERELY TWELVE EPISODES?? Has Raye EVER heard of the saying "too many cooks spoil the broth?" No wonder why this series has such an unclear AF vision...
@@darkfrost-star6317 I disagree Raye has at least decent writing if you look at his calarts plot of tressure island with Rosemary it just he didn't use his time wisely to write a proper story honestly I don't know what this guy does on his free time and why he didn't take the time to write a proper story. Also I agree too many directors one or two is enough if he hires a director make it someone with at least decent writing capabilities.
@@darkfrost-star6317 lmao I know, date, but in Poland we say "where is six cooks, there's nothing to eat" and it's PERFECT for this show
What is it with magic schools and irresponsible teachers?
Authors want school-setting and spirit of dangerous adventure but dont want think. So instead of creating conditions to adventures happen with students of magical school they just remove any safety from the school
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As a bard, he would obviously roll to seduce the dragon.
"All female writing staff" when that is the first and major description you give your own staff, it doesn't bode well. Their gender shouldn't have more impact than their actual contributions to the literal world. I can only imagine how some of the writers felt... having accomplished so much and probably worked in the writing field for years... yet when their own company describes them the only thing they mention is their gender.
And its to things like that that people nowadays asociate female writers with bad products, they asociate their gender so much with their souless product that when it fails people will obviously use the gender stuff as an excuse.
Even sadder considering that people Like Hiromu Arakawa exist, that woman msde FMA arguably THE best shonen, she honestly doesn't recieve the recognition she deserves
That was actually Crunchyroll being stupid and cutting people's lines up, with the people working on the show not knowing how the clips would be taken out of context.
Doesn't excuse the rest of the show, but that's one of the few things the show itself isn't at fault for imo.
All female writing staff I normally wouldn’t care, but these days where all they care about is superficial nonsense it automatically sends up red flags. It only got worse when I saw pictures of what they looked like. Stupid haircuts, neon dyed hair, no sense of professionalism in their demeanor or attire. They didn’t hire writers, they hired activists.
A single female manga/Lightnovel author can do better than their all female team😂😂😂😂😂
@@blackpowderkunhouseki no kuni is an amazing example of that
Are we sure Redbud wasn't intended to be a villain at some point before being turned into a teacher, but they forget to remove her villainous traits for some reason?
To be fair having one of the teachers be a major villain could have been interesting......key word there being could have
I mean I don't see how Rosemary got in unless it was pure nepotism from her mom being famous, so maybe Aster got in that way too. Heck, we don't even know what kind of entry exam they have, rosemary and sage live out in nowhere and had apparently never left their hometown before, so it's either nepotism, some kind of college style application, or there are just roving talent scouts from the school that recruit you based on whatever you can show them at the time.
My theory is that he slay a monster by accident or sheer dumb luck and just continue the lie of him being a great warrior.
Nepotism being the reason for Aster's inclusion is very interesting though.
As a manga artist once said in their manga.
"The intelligence of the character is based on the intelligence of the writer."
Megamind
Ahem, magic school, ever since the days of Harry Potter, magic schools have been presented with their crazy out of world experiences, typically viewed by someone who is not from the world. Thus "otherworldly." Their function is to teach us how life works while also keeping it natural to those who reside in the area.
HGS does this by.... not doing it at all. What's a guardian? What's the difference between new and old magic? Why is this school special? I'm not am expert at magic schools, I only did it once, but if I can do a better job, then we have a problem. And don't anyone blame the budget because I see those YT animated projects with the budget of a poptart and they do better.
I don't delve into magic schools, but I assume the process isn't that hard. It has to be one of the most common settings for a reason. It shouldn't be rocket science to take a real life school and mix magic into it, right? I don't know, I specialize in fantasy rebellions, kingdoms, and governments. Anyway, magic school should be well defined no matter what, I don't even know how you fail at describing it to the audience because a school is literally the place where lore dumps happen. And someone tell me why the teachers are trying to kill the students. I need to know.
"Budget of a poptart"
I felt that.
I also agree.
If Hogwart is a safer school, that says a lot. It was always joked about being unsafe. The difference is, at some points parents even started pulling their kids out of there, because they were scared about their lives. Dumbledore was powerful and kept people relatively safe, but not everyone trusted him even before Voldemort came back. And HP has A LOT of issues, like, it's not good, but it at least had some nuance when it came to safety. I don't think all of it was addressed, but the effort was made. Here? Here it has no real effect on anyone. Characters are like a jellyfish, floating in water - whatever happens around it, it doesn't really care, because it has no fucking brain
@@kamilululu2515 Hogwarts is so unsafe, American kids reading it never blinked an eye at Filch "punting" students across the swamp.
(Punting means something entirely different in England. lol)
They literally teach them super powerful “new magic“ that can get out of controll first. If anything old magic had to be taught first before they started to learn a few weaker new magic spells and then how to combine these two together. That's like starting chemistry lessons by experimenting with sulfur acid before the teacher even explained savety procedures
Honestly, it isnt that hard. Generally, a school like that is good for getting a lot of characters together and introducing the world, but you generally arent going to be focused on the school itself after the first few chapters because its done its job. So, you use the lessons to establish your world, magic system where approprate and introduce and begin establishing your characters. After that, the school becomes more of a backdrop.
Harry Potter: "There's like 1000 ways to die on our magic school."
High Guardian Spice: "Yeah, the Harry Potter school is too safe for children."
At least in Harry Potter series, teachers actually give a damn about the students' safety and don't send them to suicide missions.
At least teachers their have brains than this forsaken horrible show
@@tultsi93 Furthermore, in Harry Potter it is shown clearly that there are forces out in the world that are a genuine threat to both students of the school and people in general, which legitimizes the sometimes dangerous curriculum. It's clear that the show is highly inspired by Harry Potter (though the writers would never admit tht today because... you know), but they just don't know how to write anything decent.
To be fair, “Everything Hour” makes me think of what study hall was like in high school. Study hall was just the school’s way of saying “free time” but with a more academic tone, LOL Except in my school you didn’t go outside and do random goofy $#*t. But I went to regular normal high school in this dimension, y’know. LOL I did a lot of tutoring. I also did lots of drawing & reading comics. I had friends who’d hang out and play D&D or other non-school fun hobbies like that.
The problems with the series has less to do with production and more to do with Raye’s decisions. If he bothered to come more prepared, CR’s meddling would have been minor setbacks.
The one good thing that came outta this show? The multitude of videos repeatedly shitting all over it! It's like the sweetest addiction I could have.
An ethics class in a warrior school is perfectly sound: the other courses teach the students how to commit violence, or teach skills relating to the committing of violence, and the ethics class teaches them when and why to apply violence and how much and what sort to apply. Not that the HGA faculty qualifies to teach such things.
IKR. Even weird stuff like pottery would kinda make sense for infiltration or spying - if somebody would get caught, they could just say that they are just a humble craftsman and make wooden toys for living or whatever and they would be even able to prove it. Blacksmithing is a good skill to know for arsenal's maintenance purposes and music could be used as a means to heighten students' senses (hearing in particular). Potion class is a must-have even for warriors - in case of a long trip you will be able to create simple potions/balsams just by looking around you which could be detrimental in case of emergency.
If you think about it, a lot of this bullshit could be explained just by adding just a tad bit of lore behind it - like, for example, you need to study sacred languages because of the different religions present in the world, because of how important to know the texts (cuz' a lot of stuff in those books actually happened and it is more of some sort of chronicles by that point) and abundance of the cults of all sorts which could be or could not be harmful to society. Imagine, somebody found something like Grail but had no clue what the hell it was and just threw it away or would ridicule Dalai-Lama for not being able to speak English. It's counterproductive or even could be dangerous.
The only question is... Why the fuck am I the one who is thinking about that, show? Isn't this whole worldbuilding shit is your job? I don't want 100% explanation, but give me at the very least some fucking base to move from. Gimme a fucking reason for these classes to exist and don't make me fucking invent it. Just give me a hint. Like, one fucking line about how somebody just got in trouble with some missionaries, because they didn't understood that he wasn't trying to harm them and actually came to their rescue. That would be more than enough.
This show is inspiringly bad. I cant just comprehend what a graveyard of ideas it is. It's both very sad but very beautiful in it's own, twisted way
Blacksmithing probably also has at least a unit or two on weapons care and maintenance, which is useful when you’re trekking miles into wilderness to battle some foe and can’t get to an actual blacksmith. Or perhaps they have a unit or subunit on how to make weapons from other things, like stone, clay, wood (how to carve/laminate a bow would certainly be included), in the event they need one.
There is also the issue with the society of Lyngarth(I’m guessing this is how you spell it). Think about it, guardians are supposed to be something seemingly important to this world and yet there has been no other guardians in Lyngarth besides the teachers and Lavender. It’s especially infuriating in that one scene with all the people bidding the students farewell to their mission through that murder mountain: you’re telling me not one of any of those people are guardians that went to high guardian academy where it is located and they couldn’t bother to chaperone? Not to mention that if they do exist, they never contribute to the plot or to the characters as examples for what they should thrive to be.
For any aspiring writer out there dreaming of making a magical school setting, remember this: what will the students do when they graduate your school?
RWBY (for all the issues it had) tackles this masterfully: the whole purpose of the Huntsmen Academies is to create Huntsmen and Huntresses, essentially the police force that fights big scary monsters that normal humans, and even the police force, are unprepared for; they use specialized weapons, learn to use superpowers effectively in battle, and survival techniques among other skills necessary for combat against the creatures of Grimm.
Compare that to The Asterisk War or that other subpar magical school anime where the protagonist's name is Thor and the entrance exam is a completely arbitrary battle against the person next to you without any prior warnings whose name I forgot. In these animes, the magical school setting only exists - teens go to those schools, they fight each other for some reason, then they fight terrorists for some reason, then they fight in a tournament for some reason, but we never know WHY they are going through that. What's the point of these schools, what will the students achieve by studying there, what kind of future are they investing on for themselves?
Thank you; I shall keep this in mind for future reference if I ever decide to write a story about a magic school! I don't think enough works with this premise establish exactly what the students will be doing post-graduation (I know there are some out there, though, like with RWBY, as you mentioned!). Like, okay, congratulations, you have mastered the art of magic!...Now what? Are you just gonna be an accountant some five years down the road?
Depends on teh setting really. If its a world where Magic is the norm, like Harry Potter, it becomes less important because they are basically just going through the equivalent of highschool.
Although, I dont...quite see where you are coming from with the Absolute Duo point because, well, wouldnt superpowered fighters be rather useful when trying to deal with terrorists? I could be wrong, but I'm also pretty sure that they were pretty much experiments in the sense that they were trying to improve the technology that gave them powers in the first place.
@@marcusreading3783 On one hand, yes, from a child's perspective we go to school because that's the norm, so in a world where magic is the norm, going to a magical school without any goal is just the norm.
But that's from the child's perspective! From the adults', we know the foundation for what they will need to know in the future for their career paths of choice needs to be laid down, thus they teach the kids the basics of spellcasting which is the core of their society, potion making for medicine, handling and caring for magical creatures in the case of aurors and magical zoo staff, flying in brooms in the case of sports, etc.
The kids may not have a purpose to going to school at first, but their society is structured in a way that grants when they find their purpose, they will have all of the basics covered up.
That's what I meant. The teachers aren't teaching the kids how to fight each other simply because it's an action story and they're going to fight in the future. Hell, they don't start teaching the kids defensive spells and the duel format until they believe Hogwarts isn't safe anymore and change the curriculum out of necessity.
As for the Absolute Duo and Asterisk War (and other generic magical fighting school anime), the protagonists never go out of their way to fight terrorists, they're always *caught up* in terrorist attacks instead. But those attacks are never meant to challenge the protagonists, because the 1st year students who just got enrolled are already far stronger than the adults around them and can easily dispatch of said terrorists in one or two episodes tops, if there even is a shred of tension or conflict to begin with.
"wouldnt superpowered fighters be rather useful when trying to deal with terrorists?"
YES, yes they would! But in a world where kids supposedly go to magical school to learn to fight terrorists, you would assume they would begin weak and get gradually stronger, while the ADULTS who have GRADUATED FROM THEIR SCHOOL AND HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR YEARS IN THE FIELD would be the overpowered ones instead. Why are the kids going to school to learn to fight and be strong if they are already the strongest fighters that can deal with terrorist threats on a casual playdate after school?
@@marcusreading3783 I loved Harry Potter, but that was my biggest gripe about Rowling's Universe. What do these people do once they are out of school? Outside of working for the ministry, opening up shops in Diagon Alley, and teaching at Hogwarts (or other similar schools), what else is there career-wise? I don't know. It felt just a bit limiting.
@@troybaxter Its a childrens series, so the more general worldbuilding is less nessersary, but I generally assumed that those who didnt end up in the shops or Ministry work as skilled artisan types, doing things like brew potions or make enchanted objects. Theres also the various Wizarding media sources to consider as well, but the Ministry does seem to be the biggest employer. Its also worth noting how small the Wizarding population really is when you think about it. As far as we know, Hogwarts is the only Wizarding school in the UK and Harry's year consisted of enough students to fill about two classes worth of 30 students. Even assuming that the war caused a sharp drop in population, that is utterly miniscule.
Saying it now, this show COULD'VE worked having been "For the children" but rather train them to be stonecold killers, with the villains being the ACTUAL "Good guys" trying to stop the academy from creating more ruthless soldiers. That being, if the writing and dialog wasn't ass, there was some level of consistency (*Rosebud*), and cut out the pointless bullshit they add in for filler. This would've been an amazing commentary on how cults can affect even young minds and prove to be VERY dangerous with false promises and conditioning. But alas, we have whatever the hell this is, most likely never to continue or be touched upon. Though I'm sure no matter how many seasons, this show can't be saved due to it establishing zero fundamentals.
I know the cult like environment of the school was unintentional but could imagine a dark fantasy story using the premise of this show?
Here's a quick summary of the idea I got.
For example the school boasts about being exclusive, but that's just it's hook to get the kids/families interested and keep them loyal. Who wants to be a disgrace who lost such an opportunity, right?
Maybe reason the first year is so unorganized and sent on death missions is to thin the herd. Also to get the kids accustomed/desensitized to death. The reason direct student-on-student violence would be punished so the teachers can keep them in line. Can't have you're soldiers-in-training get too much freedom.
As the students get closer to graduation they lose empathy towards those who fail, like the teachers. While getting stronger but also more conditioned to to accept the restrictions their vows puts on them. Finding purpose and freedom in carrying out dangerous missions their given.
Essentially the school is a candy-coated cult/military-ish place that churns out highly skilled fiercely loyal, but ultimately broken guardians for the country. But it's so ingrained in the culture that no one views it as wrong.
So basically...
We have a bunch of girls who look and talk and act like middle-schoolers who attend classes that are elementary school level (like, Harry Potter Books 1 and 2 stuff) but then we sprinkle in some blood and high-school-esque swearing.
Are these characters 10 or 14 or 17? They can't be all three at once.
They're age-fluid [/s]
@@ZorotheGallade "age fluid" sounds like a mask for "age is just a number"
@@adamshafeeq8685 The [/s] was for sarcasm.
The main character's ages are absurdly wide spread
Professor Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters= teaches mutants how to control and manage their powers.
Hogwarts= trains future wizards in the art of magic.
Acme Looniversity= Teaching young toons on how to be funny.
High Guardian Spice= ??? (your guess is as good as mine) :/
Protect the world while also depleting it of its energy like Shinra from FF7?
High Guardian Spice= making sure the world doesn’t overpopulate?
Umm........ keeping all the bland people in one place??
@@HangryOnPaws Yeah, let's go with that.
@@cartooncritique6625 the secret agenda...
9:28 This is how I'd portray the school if I were the head writer. Redbud and The Triad would make phenomenal villains in the right hands.
Let's face it, most of the faculty members are villainous in some way, barring Phlox and the Centaur lady, since neither of them had much time to be shown to be truly awful teachers.
Redbud: Clear sadistic tendencies and possible psychopathic tendencies
Triad: Incompetence/negligence towards actual threats to Lyngarth/The Acadamy/The World, especially in regards to the Triumvirate's activities.
Hakome: Sexism, favoritism, and negligence to actual problems
Dretch: A LITERAL DEMON AS THE ETHICS TEACHER
Caraway: Grossly incompetent as well as the whole interaction with Snap in 11.
@@TatsunoKoori I'm rewriting HGS, and the portrayal of the entire cast is different. The villains are Redbud, Dretch, and the Triad. Hakone is a minor antagonist, Phlox and Centaur Teacher are removed, and Caraway is made more likable.
@@d.j.mulcahy1657 Speak of the devil! I'm working on something similar with this show, 'cept it'll be more of an rpg, if anything. Still hammering out mechanics, art, and the like.
I think if the show had early on established that "guardians" are basically D&D adventurers / dungeon groups it would have worked to have different classes like mage, healer, even bards etc. I think it's what they wanted to go for, but they didn't explain it well. The idea of a school explicitly educating people to allow them to form an effective dungeon group is kinda fun in a meta, self-referencing geeky way tbh.
I feel like High Guardian Spice had potential to be like a "Madoka Magica" if it was aimed at a mature audience, where they would learn the school is abusing children and sending them to suicide missions for their own entertainement.
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Lmao it looks like Amerallis is the one saying that.
How many students get thrown under the bus when trying to becoming guardians.
Also I hate the potions teacher 100% in the show.
If you read the second Harry Potter book there is a moment in potion class where Harry caused a scene by splashing the potion they were making at the time all over everyone. Snape is then shown that he had already prepped an antidote for that very potion before and handed it out right then and there. Snape doesn’t fuck around with class safety. That is a good characterisation of Snape, showing him to be more complex than just a typical bully. It would seem HG takes a lot of inspiration from the Hogwarts teachers to write their own, but they only watched the first two movie and never bothered to read the books. In fact you can see a lot of half-concepts in HG, as in they remind you of something that has been done better elsewhere, and would have done well if the writers had a better understanding of that concept. For example elves in fantasy settings are often aloof and proud, because of their longevity and storied culture. So in HG they made Thyme to be an edgy bitch because she is an elf. She is also paired with the dwarf because of course LoTR did it with Gimli and Legolas, but LoTR showed more of the racial traits of both character and how slowly it was chipped away through adventures making them good friends. HG couldn’t set up the character properly despite using their races or show any progression. The problem with HG is that the writers rely too much on pop culture fantasy without dwelling deeper into their inspiration.
I feel like this show falls into a problem alot of shows do with its magic school.
Its written like a high-school, but with everything they have, it would have worked better as a college. Rune reading class won't mean much if your job is to hack, slash, and sometimes raise a shield. But for some people who might go into the more knowledge based skill sets it would. Highschools make generalists, college is for specialists. Have this be a college!
I never thought there would be a magic school more dysfunctional than Hogwarts, but here we go.
It's basically like an owl house rip-off you'd find at the dollar store.
I kinda wished that they build up on the school being so messed up with how they end up treating their students. It could lead to a much more smoother dark plot that would say something about the kind of community that surrounds them.
Maybe that Doyle character would be revealed to be the one who learned the true meaning of being a guardian by leaving the school and this twisted society as a whole to live on his own and forge his own path. And that evil society that was shown at the end of the series is actually a group of outcasted rebels that strive to fight for human rights. With our main cast learning that everything they knew was a lie thanks to Doyle and make a plan to hopefully set things right
Oh and then the climax would be their plan going horribly wrong and receiving cruel and unusual punishments!! Rosemary would be the most devastated as she helplessly watches everyone she loved being separated from her as she’s endlessly tortured in a prison
Maybe later down the line an attack by the rebels would be ensued on the city. A valiant knight would break into the prison killing all the the tormentors and freeing as many people as they could. That is until they got to Rosemary’s cell. She would be almost unrecognizable at this point. Her hair being all messy and torn up, clothes almost ripped completely off, bruises, cuts, and nasty burns everywhere. With a tired and shaky voice she asks who the knight is. This causes them to step forward. Reaching their hand out. And in a soft familiar voice. “...Rosemary...?” Rosemary gasped at her name being called by the knight. But before she could even think about it. The knight takes off their helmet. Revealing her mother’s face right behind it. And after all these years of suddenly being absent for her life. After all these years of hoping to one day be a guardian to simply look for her. Rosemary finally gets the chance to meet face to face with her dearest mother again. And embrace her at Rosemary’s lowest point when she is released from her restraints. In mere seconds. The little girl falls into her lap as she completely breaks and starts crying. Shouting that she was wrong. She doesn’t actually want to be a guardian anymore like how she thought she wanted to. She was just scared. And wanted to go home. Her mother would look absolutely heartbroken hearing this come out of her once cheerful and aspiring daughter. She holds onto her like it’s the last time she ever would. As she repeatedly apologizes to Rosemary for ever leaving her behind. She didn’t want things to end up this way. She starts to quietly sob with her in the end. Still apologizing.
take the entire show atv5his point
Replying to boost this comment up. I love this and the emotion
Bwabbhbh. Thank you to both of these replies for enjoying my little comment! I’ve been doing a lot of writing lately for a bunch of stories that I’m hoping to animate on TH-cam one day so I’m glad my practice seems to be paying off :D
@@quirkyeggmuffin good luck
What's interesting is that technically this could actually be a happy ending since Rosemary eventually reunites with her mother which is something she clearly wants.
What happens after her mother frees her?
at 3:17 i wished they kept sages design. she wouldnt have looked so bland is she had the little belts and petticoat under her dress. its a better look then what we got. doesnt make up for the writing but i care a bit for the bad designs then the writing i suppose
The main thing that bothered me was the vows part
"HERE'S HOW YOU MAKE A REAL VOW"
They could have used this as a character development waypoint that shows how much the characters have changed when they can renew their vows in the future but NOOPPE
I feel like the different classes could work if there was different types of guardians with roles and jobs that are explicitly stated. A school about guardians should say what a guardians is and show how different hypothetical branches work together to do whatever they're supposed to do. It might also give the show an excuse to show how the main characters are exceptional and the varying reasons they were able to get in the school.
I actually had a thought similar to that, about going into different types of Guardians and what they could be.
In my idea -- which, for disclaimer, comes from an idiot with no writing experience -- there would be two different categories of Guardian: Defenders and Exemplars.
Defenders are basically adventurers/heroes, warriors with well-rounded skill sets that serve the people in many ways. Mostly through fighting, but they could also be small time craftsmen, diplomats, what have you. They can choose a certain province or town or kingdom to focus on, or they can travel the world to help where they are needed most.
Exemplars are Guardians who pick some particular thing, and dedicate their career to being a master of that thing.
So, for example, a Blacksmithing Exemplar would be a master of all things smithing. They would learn how to make weapons or armor of every sort, they would travel the world to learn the crafting and smithing methods of many cultures, they'd learn how to use every material to its fullest, that kind of thing.
Or a Magic Exemplar, studying all things magic, learning the spells and how each one functions, mastering many different kinds of magic, maybe even being able to create new spells of their own, etc.
Exemplars can also choose what they do with their mastery of their craft, though becoming qualified as one takes many years of study and training beyond what they would get at the Academy.
As for the classes, beginning classes at the school would involve choosing what kind of Guardian you want to be, then arranging classes accordingly. Defender-type Guardians usually take a wide range of classes, due to the varied abilities they are expected to possess, and situations they would be expected to handle; a tough program, to forge a proper Guardian. Exemplar-type Guardians mostly take classes directly related to their chosen path, but can choose a few extras depending on what the student thinks would help (so, a Blacksmith Exemplar can take combat classes, both for self-defense and to help learn how to use weapons/armor for smithing ideas; a Potions/Medicine Exemplar could take ethics classes to make sure their concoctions are being made for the right people and reasons; etc.).
Qualifications for entry... I have yet to come up with a good idea for that one. I haven't sat on this idea quite enough yet. Just wanted to vomit some thoughts into the void.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 That sounds pretty cool, and the show would've benefited greatly if it had a system like this. I don't have a good idea on how students could qualify either, but I think they might have to have previous knowledge on their field of study? I'm not really sure, but I feel like it'd make more sense for the school to sharpen already existing skills and broaden a few horizons.
@@kiwimellon5104 Thanks!
I just kind of thought of this system while trying to create a reason to include Parsley in the group and at the academy. One thought led to another and this happened.
And I guess as for qualifications... for Defenders, either an aptitude test or a recommendation from someone (either another Guardian or some province ruler). Exemplars would be a bit more like real life education programs, showing some education and expertise in their field before being accepted.
And this system in place would include lots of room for character development... but I've already put too much thought into this.
Thanks for hearing me out, and hope you have some good times!
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 Your welcome! And I'd find it hard to believe you have no writing experience because everything you wrote is so fleshed out. It's a shame we won't be able to see something like this play out in the show.
You have a crazy amount of potential when it comes to making your own stories! Thanks for improving some random thought of mine, and I hope you have good times too!
Tbh, I wonder if the inconsistency with the school's objective as to what they want to teach to the students came from the fact that this show has polarizing inspirations.
According to Raye, this show was mainly inspired by petite princess yucie, magic knight rayearth, and little witch academia. All three of these shows do have one thing in common and that is that they are all shows related to the magical girl genre. However, petite princess yucie was about a special school teaching students about how to become magical princesses essentially, and had the students do both magic related assignments and activities that resembled more of girl scout activities such as community service and the like. Magic knight rayearth was about girls becoming chosen magical warriors to defeat a big baddy and slay monsters as you would've guessed, and lwa was about an academy that well... teaches its students to become witches obviously.
Raye probably couldn't decide which inspiration the school curriculum should resemble more, so he decided to go for a mixture of all of them even if it wouldn't necessarily work or make sense...
Isn't Akazukin ChaCha also a big influence because seriously the SHEER AMOUNT OF THINGS THEY RIP OFF FROM THAT SHOW IS HUGE!!! Not just in the school setting & genre, but in art style, character looks, character traits & personalities(ESPECIALLY Amaryllis compared to ACC's Yakko), plotlines, etc.
@@ExtremeWreck I honestly have no idea tbh.
@@darkfrost-star6317 Yeah that anime is obscure outside of the Japan & the Philippines(where it is IMMENSELY popular).
@@ExtremeWreck I actually have seen some of it before. It's just that Raye hasn't confirmed nor denied ACC being an influence to HGS... That being said tho I do definitely think it is in the realm of possibility.
Tbh not only does amaryllis bear a resemblance of yako from acc but also Glenda from petite princess yucie. She's more or less a fusion between those two characters tbh.
@@darkfrost-star6317 Kind of makes me wonder how angry the Filipinos who watched ChaCha & loved it dearly(again, it's VERY POPULAR over there) would be if they find out about this crappy ripoff. Like they'd probably be really, really, REALLY angry.
I feel like, in character, Red would absolutely be willing to be the one to kill the dragon- because she wants to do it. Not for Rosemary- though she could use that excuse- but because she enjoys death.
I actually like the idea of someone who has sociopathic tendencies being brought onto the staff due to a number of secondary factors and then being held back by the rest of the staff- only being unleashed when none of them are around.
Caraway is by far the biggest disappointment for me from this series. He was best friends with Rosemary's missing mother turned traitor. Why isn't he helping her try to find her mother? Though Rosemary doesn't seem to be that interested in her mother either. He could have been a really cool character who leads the team into training fights and tells them cool stories about the monsters he killed and talks to them after something scary happens and actually teach. Rosemary should not have gone to her aunt/cousin/whoever they were. She should have contacted her mother's best friend
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I gave AI this : Girls go to a magical school to be guardians. They learn how to use new magic. They learn sword fighting and other skills.
Keywords : Girls, magical, school
The output was :
Girls go to a magical school to be guardians. They learn how to use new magic. They learn sword fighting and other skills. There are 7 schools. It's a school where magic exists. Or something like that. If I knew that the girls go through school I'd have to learn something too. Which I don't. (which I'm a moron because) I have no idea what I am going to do after I graduate, or after college. Like I said before, maybe I'll go back to school and get a degree in something. But I also can't say if I will or not. Because I still have this huge question mark hanging in my brain. I just have it, that's all. You could call it an anxiety, depression, OCD thing. Maybe it's something else. Whatever, if you think about it. Just remember that it is a magic school. Not a wizard school or a witch school, a science school for wizards and witches. And girls are not wizards. We are witches and wizards with swords.
I wish girls were wizards/witches with swords!
I mean the output is kinda what the whole show is about
What program did you use sir? I need to know, I want to try it out & make some really freakin' strange Kidd Video/Lidsville-esque tales out of it.
Damn, the High Guardian Academy make Hogwarts and the U.A highschool from MHA look like a daycare in comparison 💀
Story fix: The country where the high guardian academy is located is at war and guardians are somewhat soldiers, explaining why they need to learn weapon smithing and healing alongside fighting and itd also explain the absolute lack of guardians.
But that wouldn't quite explain why the kids are so excited to become guardians and why the academy is so dangerous
Soooo...it's like the Poppy War?
8:38 You're saying "or a dumb character they want to introduce" as Amaryllis enters the scene.
You didn't think this one through, did you?
mistake on my part shes the best character in the show
It's not like she's really that good of a character. She's a poor woman's Yakko from Akazukin ChaCha.
@@ExtremeWreck heretic. Amaryllis for life!
@@ExtremeWreck maybe. But this show is absolute bullshit so that’s just the best we’re getting from it
@@ExtremeWreckSacrelige!
I only watched till the early episodes of naruto and they have trials like this before (that's when I just stopped watching when it was at the forest trial), I remembered the stakes being so much higher and dangerous, students actually died in there. This isn't even half a pinky's worth of what those trials in naruto were.
In Naruto things are incredibly dark and gritty in many occasions. They go through these incredibly dangerous trials for clearly defined reasons and we understand why they are being trained so brutally. They don’t stop their ninja training to make pots or learn how to sing because thats not what they are there for. The tone was made very apparent early on and even though they have quite a few humorous moments it never breaks the immersion the same way high guardian spice does. Naruto isn’t exactly some top tier show writing wise but its leagues ahead of this show in almost every regard
@@guardianHQ yeah, if they wanted pointers, naruto was the perfect anime to draw inspiration from
9:09 Ethics Class is taught by a demon😆 This show has such wit in its visuals.
One could pose the same question of "what does a 'hunter' do?" in the anime of Hunter x Hunter, however, they already answer it basically even before the series start in the first episodes: **Fearsome monsters... Exotic creatures... Vast riches... Hidden treasures... Evil enclaves... Unexplored lands... The world "unknown" holds magic and some incredible people are drawn to that magic,.They are known... as HUNTERS!"**
In literally less than 30 seconds the viewers already have an ideia of what Hunters do, it really isn't much difficult to create something for Guardians.
Any dragon will be weak in the knees if slime boy serenades them, he's clearly a bard
I like to think HGA is like the public school of their world.
22:07 You know what? I'm think this Women was a super villain they convinced to stop trying to destroy the world and keep her in check by sending her children to murder for payment.
3:20 y'know... I like this design more than the finished one
A school with such callous disregard for the lives of its students having an ethics class could have been a really good joke. If the series was trying to be a parody of these sorts of magic school concepts, you wouldn't have to change a thing about it except for the protagonists' attitudes and you'd have something genuinely funny.
Sacred languages actually makes sense as a class for a magic school- especially when magic users, use runes.
Different languages have different values. For example, direct translations might vary between "i broke the vase", to "the vase was broken because of me", to "it broke". If runes channel intent, different runes would have different effects. Meaning discovering and cataloging more would make more things possible through runic magic.
Unfortunately, they clearly never thought about it at all.
2:08 (paused) at this parade, apparently celebrating trainee guardians, someone is waving a flag depicting 🧙, falling to her death in a cave and getting impaled on the stalagmites.
I like how everyone just universally like Slime Boy
I'm pretty sure the poison thing was just a fake-out... I mean, they said something like "Congratulations on getting through Disorientation Day" afterwards, so that implies it was a mental test.
I used to be convinced the skeleton thing was a joke meant to scare the students too, but after seeing the whole mess in the caves, I'm not so sure... though I suppose the creatures going out of control was meant to be taken as something exceptional the teachers hadn't foreseen.
It was never said to be a fake out and there are multiple other safety violations and references to kids deaths that support the idea that she really was trying to kill them. Either way the students are never informed that it might be fake so from their and their parents perspective this school is a certified death trap
also caraway just randomly has a giant octopus mech and it was never brought up again
The whole school is like the Hunter Exam from Hunter X Hunter. Except in Hunter X Hunter there's an actual REASON why a lot of people who take part in the exam die.
Basically what if Big Brother founded a magical school...after being hit in the head several times.
And smoking some pot for good measure.
"Magical equivalent of a school shooting" is a line I never would've thought I'd encounter within my lifetime, and yet here we are.
I love hearing people rant about a show I’ve never watched and have no intention of ever watching
There is one thing they could have changed with Caraway’s character to make his character relevant to the plot.
Make him the principal/ director of the academy.
Think about it. The Snapdragon convo would make more sense as a principal talking with a student who got in trouble.
Mandrake searching through his office would make more sense too as the principal of an academy training guardians WOULD be getting info from higher ups about missions and stuff. Maybe have it that The Triad are aware of The Rot and have Caraway tasked with secretly studying it.
His friendship with Lavender can still be the same, maybe have him mention being a Guardian before taking up the role of the Academy’s Director.
( I don’t know, I’ve been putting WAY to much thought on how to improve High Guardians’s story recently and that just something that came to mind)
"Why are you talking like Skeletor?"
"BECAUSE I CAN AND IT'S FUN!"
Talking like Skeletor is essential. I don't know to what exactly, it's just essential
I genuinely love that you’re taking apart something different from other people. May I suggest asking how the economy in this world works? Do the girls need jobs? Magical minimum wage/ child labor laws?
If you want an adventure in a fantasy school setting done right, listen to The Adventure Zone graduation. The school has a specific purpose that ties into well thought out worldbuilding that is of course a primary aspect of the story, not just a setting piece. Safety is a top concern, while of course for plot reasons things go wrong. It does twist villains and twist villain teachers well, and is overall much better written despite only being made by three people.
It's charitable for you to think this show was written by writers. No, the only qualifier you needed to be on the staff was "Woman", preferably with an "LGBTQ+" bent to you. Writing talent or experience was not a prerequisite. Just adherence to that ideology.
The staff just copypasted various anime, Y/A fiction and fantasy tropes they saw in stories like Harry Potter, without actually considering how it'd make any sense. None of them knew what they were doing and your average high school English student could have written a better story.
Like you pointed out in another video, they didn't write the plot, setting and characters with the intention of them making sense. It was just stuff they wanted to see represented, regardless of if it makes for a cohesive narrative.
I feel like a way to fix HGS’ problem with conflicting characters in a school for strong warriors is having different departments for different kinds of “fighting” situations. Like, Slime Boy could have an added healing or sleeping effect that can help Guardians fight off monsters by giving them a support by making the monster more weary by singing or some other talent. And other talents can be implemented to help Guardians or to enhance a Guardian’s talent. Dancing can make Guardians more flexible, and maybe some cool dance fighting styles can be used during battle. If someone is a chemist and their friend makes pottery, they can make some INSANE magic bombs that can be used as diversions and help Guardians backstage by supplying said magic bombs while Guardians are too busy fighting off monsters. The simple things that can make HGS less stupid with its conflicting ideas
I just realized that the main characters' names aren't just herbs: they're specifically the four herbs from the refrain of the song "Scarborough Fair".
can we get a show with main characters named oak, ash, thorn, and elm. elm can be a traitor.
@@grantflippin7808oak and ash just made me realize what pokemon was going for..
That sole fact tempts me to write a HGS fanfic starring straight white hot buxoms with actual spice names like Cinnamon, Ginger, Pepper, California Reaper and Melange.
Me and a friend of mine are making a game. Its a 2 person team which means he codes amd animates and I make the art and story. From my experience, the best way to make a story is to step into your audiences shoes and ask yourself "who what when where why and how" this practically applies to all aspects of the story. Flushing out characters while making their emotions fit with the scenery is very important. That being said this show doesn't have a brain. Theres nothing to fix because its beyond that point.
I don't think any show creator has ever pissed me off this much since Rebecca Sugar.
Rebecca Sugar: I made High Gardian Spice in all its awfulness! Beat that!
Kevin Smith: oh yeah? Well I promised a He-man sequel, made it about Teela, killed off Orko and He-man and THEN I made Teela super OP and offended both sides of the fandom.
J.K: Rowling AMATEURS!!!! I SAY! AMATEURS!!!!! **Throws tweets**
@@HangryOnPaws JJ Abrams: "hold my beer"
I feel like they wanted a potions teacher that was scary, but not a wet blanket.
It's like they made a reverse Professor Snape.
Female, colorful clothing, oddly cheerful
The three things that are the same are: Potions, weird tests thrown at students, and some level of child endangerment.
But if I went in blind and was looking for someone to teach me potions...I'd go for Snape. I feel like I'd actually survive in his classroom.
I'm confused by the races of this universe. In one episode, the magical girls are tasked with tracking down a demon to make a deal with it or something (Idk but I think they end up killing it.) So, you have this grotesque demon the girls are tasked with finding in a cave...but there's also the demon lady who teaches at the school. Wtf??
7:05 you would be surprised, in D&D theres a whole class to do just that.
This makes me feel confident in my own writing. I'm wanting to make a show. My show has a few cliches in it's plot but I'm working making a joke out of it but also making it serious.
Plot: An African American teenaged girl named: Dimania with the power to control time, argues with her mother of how she doesn't know much about her father. She's runs away from home thinking she could run away from her problems, as she runs her eyes are blurry with filled tears where she doesn't realize where she's headed. she goes through a purple glowing wall that takes her to a different side of the world: Heaven Haven Reign a forest once filled with a specimen with different features called: Catas. This is where Dimania's adventure starts.
History of a Heaven Haven Reign: A war where humans and Catas are fighting due to believing false rumours of how humans came to take over the their home from a mystical forest called: Heaven Haven Reign. The Catas lost the war, they lost everything but until one female Catas takes a stand and uses her powers to make a gigantic glowing purple wall beam that blocks certain parts of the area the humans and Catas were fighting at. That concludes to the war ending, fast forward 15 years later the purple wall somehow is able to let certain people go through (the main character and a few other characters I still need to make).
That's all I did my best explaining my plot of my future story. I'll be adjusting the plot so people with have a better understanding of what's going on in my story. But I will start my story off with a war, because I love having action being the first thing I see in stories I've read. Anyway I hope my plot makes sense and that you enjoyed it!
(I'm 15, a growing story writing inspired by my mother!)
Omg this sounds really instresting so far! I would definately watch a a show like that
I'm 17. Keep it up, and overtime think of ways to improve and further develop the story. Don't feel bad about cliches, it's only when cliches are put in place of good writing is when they are bad.
Harry Potter does have dangers in school. BUT, it's either from arachic design choices, or with the expectations that the teacher will intervene if something goes wrong.
Students aren't allowed to die. They are allowed to be placed in a deadly situation, but that's it. If they die... Guess what happens? Less students, less confidence in Hogwarts, less reason to send anyone to THAT school. It'd be one thing if a student dies from an accident or an unforeseen circumstance... But letting your students die is another. They're preparing them to let in the Wizarding world, what good is it if you fucking kill someone?
i agree that the writers constantly break their own rules, but when it comes to the question of 'why is Pretty Boy McDipsh*t in this academy' i actually assumed that they were implying he was a rich kid who has powerful/rich parents who maybe got him in that way? i mean, that constantly happens in real life where you hear of these 'pristigeous' universities and you wonder why these braindead frat boys even get in, but it's because of mommy + daddys money. but then again, that could just be me trying to make sense of the writer's tomfoolery
also sorry but that two min intro.... was painful
High Guardian Spice itself is fundamentally stupid
If they went out of their way at least, ONE TIME, and said that the school has gone CONSIDERABLY downhill since Rosemary's mom graduated, a lot of this would be excusable
22:35
The fact that it looks just like Eda scares me
But if Eda saw her, she would probably not treat her in a positive way
0:03 so like why is snapdragon using a blunt foil in combat? yeah, yeah training combat i know but rosemary has a magic sword what she used to kill things so why doesn't he have a real weapon like a rapier?
Funny how snap uses a nonlethal weapon, but his(or her?) bestie Amaryllis just wields her wand like its a damn glock, i think it plays into their dynamic more, but then again, it's HGS. Who knows why?
Sounds like my school. someone brings a nuclear bombs and a tank, teachers wont say nothing. But if someone defend themself he is send to gulag
I mean happy child murder schools are a common fantasy trope or just people being reckless, just look at something like fire emblem three houses or every adventurers guild in fantasy . I get its particularly bad here but it is incredibly common
I always had the feeling something was off, but wow, this really was like two completely different shows just with the same characters and animators.
I feel they were trying to go for the whole "Pushing your limits near death" thing, but the writers don't understand logic or how anime works. Like we got teachers laughing about actual children getting killed, meanwhile UA from Mha gets flag over two incidents where a bunch of villains planned a coordinated attack on the school and kidnapped a student which were out of the teachers control.
My question is... Raye has been trying to get this series off the ground for awhile and pitched it to different companies... in that time Raye didn't bother to write a story about during his free time? I mean... he had years to work on what kinda show he wanted and what he wanted them to do etc...