To understand what happened we need to think like a piece of @#%$ so, this is my theory, Nintendo Intentionally leak Zelda TOK and they know will not run with the current version of YUZU, they wait until Yuzu team Bait and modify the code and release it on Early Access, that way Nintendo Sacrifice a Litle bit of their profits to shut down this project. Proving inside the YUZU project theey use piracy ROMs to test it and made TOK able to run before the legal Release. I m a developer , but is not that hard to just think like an evil corporation , they will sacrifice that little profit to kill the entire thing. really is not that hard, If you want to cach them just made this bait and you got them.
@@GamerEnLinux but that isn't how any of this works. What companies have to do is: protect their ip or risk losing it. The fact they are suing on grounds of 'providing access' rather than 'copyright infringement' shows they are taking notes from Apple. The fact Apple has stopped thr FBI, EU government, and continues to do what they want regardless of harm it causes to consumers, speaks volumes to the year Nintendo is living in. Almost like it's 1945 again.
The idea is that you cant emulate still market available systems, especially those that have also protection measures. An other thing is that you dnt have to make profit from it or redistribute roms. Ideally pirate before gamecube systems that have no protection measures.
Here's the reality: Popularity can become a double edged sword. When you have a whole fleet of big TH-camrs posting thumbnails of them holding freaking Ayaneo Kun running TOTK and the thing generates millions of views - something was bound to happen sooner or later. None of this is surprising to me.
I'm not giving up. I downloaded everything for not only yuzu, but it's alternatives as well. And since dolphin was under attack not too long ago, i grabbed their source code too.
@@sushi_wolf You people worry about "having the most powerful device" get out of that mindset just cause another device perform's better don't mean anything. There's people out there that don't care about more power
If Nintendo allowed you to download your digital copy or had a “gamepass” we wouldn’t be talking about this. They can get ahead of it but they want you to buy multiple consoles and multiple copies of games. The exclusivity itself is creating its own demise.
It's a failure from Nintendo's side of providing the older games on modern hardware. If all companies did that there would never have been an incentive to use emulators to begin with. Blaming the users... Ridiculous.
@@rundown132Nintendont is the real loser here, watch their defunct company crumble, their hardware is garbage and is always behind the current gen! Ciao!
So much speculation and FUD over this. Emulation isn't going anywhere, folks. This same discussion has been had over and over, ad nauseam, since the dawn of emulation. Emulators that use proprietary code get shut down, which has also been happening since then. Anyone else remember Bleem? Did that stop PSX emulation? Nope. Did it stop emulation in general? Nope. Will this? Nope. It's not even going to stop switch emulation. Would it have been better if Yuzu fought this? Not necessarily. No court case = no legal precedent set. They took the L, and the big N doesn't get a day in court, which is probably what they actually wanted.
Don't know what Final Fantasy VII Remake you were playing but the Final Fantasy VII Remake me and a lot of other people played Barret was and is f'ing awesome. The voice actor for Barret Wallace went above and beyond, for me he is Barret.
He gives me the vibe of a 17 years old who who is embarrassed to play "the anime game" while his friends only play COD and sport games. Like it is totally fine to see these tropes and don't like them, but the line about being embarassed if his wife would see that, kind of weird to me.
I'm with Bill on Preferring digital. But for me, I'm not into packaging waste. But also not into trusting a company to maintain my access. This is all only if I'm able to download a backupable version. Then let me do it in my proffered way (M-disk, 1000 year data shelf life). Yes those will also be packaged, but one package for hundreds or thousands of items (2 packages if you count one for the drive).
I don’t necessary agree with Phawx either. Like, no matter what specs a console has, it will get hacked and emulated anyway. These factors helps to make Switch emulation development easier, but it doesn’t mean it’s the prime factor that Switch emulation exists, that’s crazy and kinda stretching it out a bit there.
This is a more unique case I think. Emulation is still legal, there's legal precedent for it to exist, but the thing is Yuzu was a supposedly free and open-source project that charged users for access to it's EA builds which were all but essential to play Tears of the Kingdom at launch. So the Yuzu team was able to profit off of the piracy of Nintendo's current generation games. All in all, not much of value was lost here. We still have Ryujinx which is a great emulator, and I'm sure a lot of the Yuzu team will probably jump ship to Ryujinx. Personally, I never really liked Yuzu since core members of the team have always been kind of sketchy. There's a history of them stealing code for one.
Yup. Yuzu devs charging money put a huge target on their backs. Never mind the irony of wanting to be paid for their work... it's kind of hard to make the case that emulators are purely for research purposes if you're making a commercial product.
@@nickentros Lucky duck! I'm still enjoying my Odin base and the RP3+. Money is damn tight these days, but hey the longer I wait, the cheaper and better these handhelds will get. You're gonna LOOOOVE the Odin 2! Probably the last android handheld anyone would want to buy for a few years.
When you say they want us to buy the game again remember they are only selling the license and can take it away at any time. We don't own our games any more. Someone needs to do legally challenge their terms of service on how they can "sell" games so that they can't take them away just because they want to.
Truly depressing! Just tired of Nintendo insisting of recharging for the same games over and over again, poor refund system, anti-consumer and fan policies. At least Sony and MS get it. Where they allow their fans to play their games on PC!
As I understand it, the company making yuzu is now injuncted against continuing to develop or distribute yuzu. Since it’s open source, though, it will be trivial for someone else, who is not subject to the injunction, to create a fork of the emulator and continue development. This probably will have a chilling effect on donation-funded emulator development, though.
@@DragunBreath Yeah, and even though the developers of Yuzu are no longer able to make Yuzu, I'm sure plenty of the active contributors to the project will move over to Ryujinx. Well, most of them, some of the Yuzu devs stole code from the Ryujinx dev PineappleEA so there might be some bad blood there, but Yuzu had a lot of other contributors seeing as it was an open-source project.
I disagree with Bill’s notion that Nintendo wouldn’t try this unless they felt confident in winning. They’ve done it before and know the most likely outcome is what happened here: the small guy settles. But even if Yuzu had fought and won, it still wouldn’t have been legal to share ROMs online. So even if courts rules that people could back up their own games and emulate their own machines, the common practice of downloading emulators and ROMs still would’ve been untouched by the ruling. And ROM sharing is never likely to be legal.
1:20:52 yes I did not like that, example here: I play league of legends and used to use an companion app (for like matchup suggestion or picking my runes), and one day they had this exact genius idea of "while the game is loading lets put our banner ad on the loading screen", I was so mad instantly uninstalled that thing.
These days Nintendo are basically leeching on customers for profit. They are literally some of the worst companies when they are doing well. Because of it, I hope the Switch 2 fails miserably so they can get a reality check where they are required to win back their customers and fan base again. Because that's the only time Nintendo are actually good (and with Iwata at the helm, bless his soul). The best period to be a Nintendo owner for me was during the Gamecube-, and the WiiU-era by far,
Bought TOTK twice, special edition and digital copy and still would rather play it on my PC . Now i wish i had only bought it once . Their actions against the emulation community have taken me 100% the market for anything nintendo. So funny how nintendo uses emulators on their own consoles Lol
I blame the people on TH-cam and the fanboys🤦🏽♂️If people would just stop making videos on it the reach of this would not go so far y'all don't realize the amount of influence
I know the latest stories of the lawsuit, but just wanted to say that 20:16 is a good point. It’s better to just not settle this in court because a) it saves more money in the long run, and b) it helps to prevent this case from becoming the new reference case for future cases. I think Yuzu did the right thing here to not go to court and just settle outside.
It will remain there unless emudeck does something with it, (Assuming you installed it with emudeck) However it will no longer receive updates, which means no improvements will happen (and no exploits will be fixed if any are found)
@@malgerx4295 Oh I don't doubt it, but I don't think anyone is going to going to repost it without filing the serial numbers off first. Which probably means you wouldn't be able to directly update Yuzu to this new fork, though admittedly I don't know how Yuzu self-updates.
@@BlueCollaredGrit Don't know that program, but generally with programs that aren't DRM-filled, it'll just stay there. I would recommend turning off automatic updates, although it looks like Yuzu doesn't have those on quick glance.
Nintendo just won 2.4 million dollars and got Yuzu to close operations. But hear my words, the harder the console is to jailbreak, the harder the console is to sell. And nintendo will find this the hard way on their next console if if cannot be hacked like the switch was, and that's when nintendo is gonna lose more than the 2.4 million dollars they just won plus a low console sales. This was what made the PS2 and the switch to sale this much. I saw this video form another guy who mentioned this and it makes perfect sense.
Why does the gaming media have such cognitive dissonance regarding Nintendo's "Anti-consumer" nature? No other gaming companies' sins get swept under the rug like Nintendos.
On the dot, I myself downloaded Yuzu just because of what Nintendo did when I had no interest in it to begin with, reason to say it’s been good for me. Thanks Tropic Haze, we will show them what’s up.
the biggest issue is that amazon/nintento/etc are trying to blame and hold accountable the "provider" of a product, rather than seek out the actual individuals who may be "breaking" a law/rule, thats the bigger and more worrying precedent and they are getting away with it. It's no different to blaming a car company when a driver kills someone at a pedestrian crossing. emulators and emulation front ends like emulationstation should not be able to be dropped or attacked as "facilitating" anything as that is attempting to give direct blame for something they have not done, the end user is always responsible for their own actions.
In some part content creators contribute to this, because every single new console they got their hands on the only thing that was done was emulating. This is a very sensitive matter that shouldn't have had that much exposure.
i found Russ' take on 'all the young people are gonna draw attention to it online' very funny, because i see history repeating itself here. in the late era of the GBA being a thing (think 2004/2005) were it was still a relevant console, it was already super easy to emulate it, and online forums and the like were full of kids (let's face it, we were just kids, even in our late teens) discussing how to get certain games to run best (i remember the pokemon games, aswell as kingdom hearts on the GBA specifically needing some adjusting with the save format with popular emulators at the time).
Put everything online for sale and this problem vanishes but nooooo they would rather stick to their ancient ways and proceed with litigation. So anti-consumer
I've been playing games by emulation since back when it took 6 hours on dialup internet to download Zelda 64 because my parents wouldn't buy systems for me as a kid. With that in mind Switch emulation has always been just a novelty to me. The switch and its games are so easily accessible. Emulating any of the big 3D games like Zelda on a handheld is not enjoyable to me because of all the shading cache stuttering. I much enjoy playing older systems that I wasn't allowed to play as a kid.
Nintendo is guilty of unlawful behavior by like extent. Like the economic model or not, we are in a capitalist model (those which this pertains to). The writings capitalism came from, express the problems with monopolies. For decades, we have been slipping to allow more and more monopolies, or situations in the spirit of monopolies. These are expressed through duopolies, exclusive rights for distribution, walled gardens and ecosystems. Windows encryption itself, what they are defending, is unlawful by the spirit of the law. Purchasing software and media should be the consumers choice for how they consume them, and if they mod them. The hardware they use should be the consumers choice separately. The OS and/or launcher should be the consumers choice. This is what drives the virtues of capitalism. Innovation, competition, and the marketing self balancing itself. These spiritual monopolies has for decades now been becoming increasingly the ruin of capitalism. I am not a capitalist, I am anti capitalist, but I understand its virtues when it applies. And the law is supposed to be in line with those with those virtues for healthy economy. Making breaking these things unlawful. So at a MUCH more core level, Nintendo is already unlawful. This is where I'd like to see the change. Which would make Nintendos complaints become a non issue. You could even go so far as applying abelism to companies participating in the walled garden / ecosystem / exclusivity features.
Inevitability isn't justification. Games designed for outdated hardware are not difficult to play on other available hardware. Switch was outdated at its announcement, never mind its retail launch. Doesn't make it right, it just makes it quick and easy
Awesome show as always gents and super appreciate you answering my question! Should've known Cary had something going haha and that DK 2 handheld is super sick Bill! 100% on the boot up being a big part of that nostalgia chasing - really cool to hear y'all talk about that for a bit.
The yuzu team supported development and hosted the website. Therefore it got shutdown (at least for now) because the injunction explicitly prevents them from working on or distributing Nintendo emulators.
Nah, this isn't the end of Emulation. Hopefully a team from China will take over the project and re-release the emulator. Nintendo might have influence in the west, but they can't do anything if it's in China.
We NEED to have a CODE of HONOR BANNING EVERY COMPANY that do this by boycotting ALL their new games. WE are just TOO GOTDAMN LAZY to do this. HONESTLY we HAVE ENOUGH GAMES to play to DO this...LET'S DO it. They NEED to know that WITHOUT US they have NO company. PERIOD. CONSUMER POWER.
well they basically won without a fight. Gotta love big companies having more control over products YOU bought with YOUR money because they are absolutely the big bad wolf here. Now to see what follows after they see they can get away with this shit. I stopped supporting Nintendo during the WiiU era for how the treated their customers that were essentially offering free promotion for their products. Idk who's worse, them or apple.
THIS is a SLAP in the FACE because THEYU THEMSELVES ABANDONED these games until they were Preserved. They SAW retro is KILLING their idea to CONTINUE to see us Broken Games is WHAT this is REALLY all about. THAT'S why they nearly killed all of their video game testers.
Hello yuz-ers and Citra fans: We write today to inform you that yuzu and yuzu’s support of Citra are being discontinued, effective immediately. yuzu and its team have always been against piracy. We started the projects in good faith, out of passion for Nintendo and its consoles and games, and were not intending to cause harm. But we see now that because our projects can circumvent Nintendo’s technological protection measures and allow users to play games outside of authorized hardware, they have led to extensive piracy. In particular, we have been deeply disappointed when users have used our software to leak game content prior to its release and ruin the experience for legitimate purchasers and fans. We have come to the decision that we cannot continue to allow this to occur. Piracy was never our intention, and we believe that piracy of video games and on video game consoles should end. Effective today, we will be pulling our code repositories offline, discontinuing our Patreon accounts and Discord servers, and, soon, shutting down our websites. We hope our actions will be a small step toward ending piracy of all creators’ works. Thank you for your years of support and for understanding our decision.
Does happen to remember the kids game show Video Power? It aired in the mid 90's. I always wanted to be a contestant just to run through that maze of video game awesomeness!
this got outdated very quickly. maybe the podcast should of been postponed a day. although to be fair we didn't see an admittance of guilt being the outcome. The ryujinx team better be preparing a case since they will have a cease and desist by the end of week coming believe me.
The Indian giving that these corprations play is just appalling. Its not just video games. Retail is sending people to jail for not stealing. Car companies retroactively removing features, or charging a subscription for heated seats! Shit in the state of Virginia, if you own a car registered to you, and you don't pay your insurance for any reason, they will just suspend your license. So if you have another car with insurance, and you drive it, the next time you get pulled over will result in finding out you don't have a license.
I can't get behind your assessment of FF7. However I am a major FF7 nerd so a lot of my love comes from nostalgia. I just replayed Remake to get ready for Rebirth, and its great!
Game & Watch titles are often genuinely fun. Super Mario Bros Game and Watch was my childhood one, first video game I got. I also had a few other simple LCD (Tiger, etc) games, and they are garbage in comparison. Nintendo game designers really understood the limitations and how to work with them WAY better.
I don't see why Nintendo shouldn't protect all their intellectual property right from 1980's super Mario Bros 1. If I made a game that people wanted to play 40 years later, I would want to be paid for it also. The rolling Stones still gets paid for music they made in the 60s.
I called this from day 1. Yuzu didn't have a case to defend if this went to court...fact is yuzu facilitated emulation of current software. If this had been an emulator for nes or super NES I doubt Nintendo would care...people claiming that if they own a game they are allowed to download it are mistaken. If you own a game you're allowed to backup THAT game by ripping it (if you have the means). Downloading it from a 3rd party source is still considered illegal.... Yuzu's explanation of they didn't provide product keys is pure poppycock when in their own explanation to install yuzu they tell you "you need to get the product keys to play the game." They're literally telling people what they need in order to pirate the game...hence "facilitates piracy"... In the end I'm actually surprised yuzu even had $2.4 mil to give them since they operated on public donations...but of course, taking this to court would have probably cost them more in the long run... remember what they did to that Bowser guy after he got out of prison...he basically has to pay Nintendo money for the rest of his life from any paycheck he earns...yuzu wasn't about to fall in that scenario.😄 Note to any future programmers thinking of creating an emulator... don't emulate any current consoles cause it might cost you.
My understanding is Yuzu used a file/code which was property of Nintendo that's why they were found guilty, if an emulator is %100 free of someone else's property, even if it can play pirate games, legally they can't be touched, if the developers left that part out of the emulator but you could then patch it to work, downloading the patch from the Web somewhere, then wouldn't Yuzu then be legal? I'm sure it would be.
9:21 This is such a whiny and insufferable take from The Phawx. The reason why certain ROM sites don't host software from current-gen systems is for... THIS! This is the reason why, because you could get sued into oblivion for it. The series of events that led to Yuzu's downfall were incredibly easy to forecast, and instead of shaking hands and saying, "Yup, yup, knew that was gonna happen - good game," Phawx decided to play the victim. What a take!
The Retrotink 4K is absolute one hundred percent worth the money IF you are a retro enthusiast who wants the best quality. You don't even have to use all original hardware, you could get a MiSTer FPGA and connect that up too.
@@sushi_wolftotally not the fault of the people who felt the need to ruin it for others by posting game content on twitter and other social media before launch date.
also there is another thing- alot of people that emulate are from coutnries where there is no acess to these games, poorer.. but again.. litearlly no means to GET THE GAME.. nintendo did a great job messing their Pr as usual.
oh shit I had no idea hearthstone was having a 10 year anniversary event. I was really into hearthstone around the lich king and the dinosaur expansions. I'm gonna try to get back into the game
Nintendo hates their own fans. That's why I've vowed to emulate Nintendo games as long as I can. They expect us to pay for the same games over and over, so greedy.
If Nintendo wants ABSOLUTE control they should stop selling anything and everything. They can lease their consoles instead and lease every game for it. I wouldn't participate in that, but maybe some people would and Nintendo can make money (or not) from them. Nintendo will never get money from me ever again, I certainly won't buy their products ever again. I really hope people ditch Nintendo and they go under. I actively want Nintendo to go away and all of their employees to lose their jobs as they are complicit in being anti-consumer.
Nintendo will not change their business practices until they are loosing money. Rail against them all you want but as long as people continue to buy their products nothing will change. This isn’t an issue that Nintendo’s consumer base cares about.
From my childhood(probably 2001), I had a lightsaber that had some buttons and a small screen in the middle of it and had a simple game loaded on it. I loved that stupid thing. Its One of those things that if I could emulate it I would not waste my time but if I ever found another physical model I'd probably play the heck out of it
I’m not buying Nintendo products anymore. I understand the Yuzu situation but Citra?! This will only make used games more expensive.. Nintendo should sell their rom’s like GOG after console death. Nicely zipped, tons of goodies. & then they get paid again & again.. Nope! It would cost them too much in license fee’s or whatever BS
That donkey Kong game is a lot of fun, you can play it in Game & Watch Gallery 3 for Gameboy Color, it has most of the games and they include a remake version
If the switch 2 is digital only, I won't buy it, honestly Nintendo really has not been hitting it home with me in terms of gameplay anyway. So I will be done period as a long time Nintendo fan.
We need a team in Russia or somewhere where they don't have to fear legal action to step up. I own a Switch, but I really don't want to go back to playing on this underpowered hardware... But, yeah, those numbers are always nonsense. There's more of us who buy games and also download them than you'd think, and many of the flat out pirates are only playing your game, because they can. Regardless, of what you do they're not going to buy your product, so it's not a lost sale. (It, probably, actually benefits the publisher in these cases, because if they look anything up about the game, talk about it, etc. they'll still be helping to create buzz around it, and may eventually end up developing into a fan and paying customer)
I’m okay with buying digital when the price makes sense to risk not owning it forever. In that sense, I don’t mind buying steam games when they’re on sale, but I do not understand why people would buy digital titles when they are the same or more than physical copies. It’s only a negative trade off at that point. I buy 90% of my Nintendo Switch games physically and I wouldn’t buy any PS5 or XSX games digitally when the console remains at home right next to my physical games.
Did you know I have a channel about podcasting and TH-cam. its TH-cam.com/@billfairchild
Pirate Roms For Lyfe.
To understand what happened we need to think like a piece of @#%$ so, this is my theory, Nintendo Intentionally leak Zelda TOK and they know will not run with the current version of YUZU, they wait until Yuzu team Bait and modify the code and release it on Early Access, that way Nintendo Sacrifice a Litle bit of their profits to shut down this project. Proving inside the YUZU project theey use piracy ROMs to test it and made TOK able to run before the legal Release.
I m a developer , but is not that hard to just think like an evil corporation , they will sacrifice that little profit to kill the entire thing. really is not that hard, If you want to cach them just made this bait and you got them.
@@GamerEnLinux but that isn't how any of this works. What companies have to do is: protect their ip or risk losing it. The fact they are suing on grounds of 'providing access' rather than 'copyright infringement' shows they are taking notes from Apple. The fact Apple has stopped thr FBI, EU government, and continues to do what they want regardless of harm it causes to consumers, speaks volumes to the year Nintendo is living in. Almost like it's 1945 again.
Not only Nintendo took down Yuzu but also the 3DS emulator Citra.
When it rains it pours.
@@atariboy9084 I never used yuzu or citra. Virtually nothing I wanted to play came out for 3ds.
Yuzu just settled out of court.
So what happened did Yuzu won or not I hope to keep playing switch roms on Yuzu. On my Odin 2!
they agreed to pay Nintendo 2.4 million and stop all development of Yuzu and give up their website to Nintendo. @@nepaliprayasgurung2594
@nepaliprayasgurung2594 lol 😂 they knew they would loose or couldn't fight it so they are taking a fine and shutting down Yuzu.
They paid 2.4 millions to solve the dispute, presumably the contract is that they continue to develop it for free and without promoting piracy
The idea is that you cant emulate still market available systems, especially those that have also protection measures. An other thing is that you dnt have to make profit from it or redistribute roms. Ideally pirate before gamecube systems that have no protection measures.
Here's the reality:
Popularity can become a double edged sword. When you have a whole fleet of big TH-camrs posting thumbnails of them holding freaking Ayaneo Kun running TOTK and the thing generates millions of views - something was bound to happen sooner or later. None of this is surprising to me.
I'm not giving up. I downloaded everything for not only yuzu, but it's alternatives as well. And since dolphin was under attack not too long ago, i grabbed their source code too.
I think many in the emulating community are doing this right now and preparing to distribute later on.
I was thinking of getting a Switch OLED, again, Nintendo has given me a reason to get a Steam Deck OLED instead.
Why would you pay that much for a dinosaur lol. An OLED screen, that system can’t even run Mortal Kombat! Hahaha😂
@@sushi_wolf*prehistoric screeching*
What do you have against dinosaurs 🦖 😂
Get the steam deck lcd or oled. Neither will disappoint.
@@sushi_wolf You people worry about "having the most powerful device" get out of that mindset just cause another device perform's better don't mean anything. There's people out there that don't care about more power
@@sushi_wolf I don't play these newer games I play older titles so the Deck is fine. Screw these newer games now a day's mostly all trash anyway.
If Nintendo allowed you to download your digital copy or had a “gamepass” we wouldn’t be talking about this. They can get ahead of it but they want you to buy multiple consoles and multiple copies of games. The exclusivity itself is creating its own demise.
and sooner or later all of their big games like zelda will be ported to pc via reverse engineering
I always knew game companies want you to keep on buying their old games over again since like Megadrive collections on ps2, ps3 etc
It's a failure from Nintendo's side of providing the older games on modern hardware. If all companies did that there would never have been an incentive to use emulators to begin with. Blaming the users... Ridiculous.
As Gabe Newell said, Piracy is a service problem.
Settled for $2.4 million and permanent injunction on the emulator 😭😭😭
Nintendo wont let them win lol
im seeing this on a couple of different websites. We need an update video asap!
Citra effected as well
@@rundown132Nintendont is the real loser here, watch their defunct company crumble, their hardware is garbage and is always behind the current gen! Ciao!
It's forkin' time
I'm quite sure this has no grounds in Canada, you're allowed to do local personal backups as long as you don't distribute
This is US only. DMCA is US law.
What angers me the most is Nintendo doesn't even want people having access to the games that they paid for when the hardware break's down.
So much speculation and FUD over this. Emulation isn't going anywhere, folks. This same discussion has been had over and over, ad nauseam, since the dawn of emulation. Emulators that use proprietary code get shut down, which has also been happening since then. Anyone else remember Bleem? Did that stop PSX emulation? Nope. Did it stop emulation in general? Nope. Will this? Nope. It's not even going to stop switch emulation. Would it have been better if Yuzu fought this? Not necessarily. No court case = no legal precedent set. They took the L, and the big N doesn't get a day in court, which is probably what they actually wanted.
This 100%. No precedent set.
Because it didn't go to court. If it had, it could have been Bad. And this was a different argument than bleem, this was about breaking encryption
Don't know what Final Fantasy VII Remake you were playing but the Final Fantasy VII Remake me and a lot of other people played Barret was and is f'ing awesome. The voice actor for Barret Wallace went above and beyond, for me he is Barret.
He gives me the vibe of a 17 years old who who is embarrassed to play "the anime game" while his friends only play COD and sport games.
Like it is totally fine to see these tropes and don't like them, but the line about being embarassed if his wife would see that, kind of weird to me.
I'm with Bill on Preferring digital. But for me, I'm not into packaging waste. But also not into trusting a company to maintain my access. This is all only if I'm able to download a backupable version. Then let me do it in my proffered way (M-disk, 1000 year data shelf life). Yes those will also be packaged, but one package for hundreds or thousands of items (2 packages if you count one for the drive).
Yuzu confirmed they will be shut down. It's over.
fitgirl still has the repacks so go there asap and keep yuzu early access asap.
@@halometroid so does pineapple yuzu ea
No its not.
The battle is lost, but the war has only just begun.
@@AceFondu spread it all over the web, we love you Tropic Haze!
@@AdmiralBison 100% I’m down.
I don’t necessary agree with Phawx either. Like, no matter what specs a console has, it will get hacked and emulated anyway. These factors helps to make Switch emulation development easier, but it doesn’t mean it’s the prime factor that Switch emulation exists, that’s crazy and kinda stretching it out a bit there.
This is a more unique case I think. Emulation is still legal, there's legal precedent for it to exist, but the thing is Yuzu was a supposedly free and open-source project that charged users for access to it's EA builds which were all but essential to play Tears of the Kingdom at launch. So the Yuzu team was able to profit off of the piracy of Nintendo's current generation games.
All in all, not much of value was lost here. We still have Ryujinx which is a great emulator, and I'm sure a lot of the Yuzu team will probably jump ship to Ryujinx. Personally, I never really liked Yuzu since core members of the team have always been kind of sketchy. There's a history of them stealing code for one.
Yup. Yuzu devs charging money put a huge target on their backs. Never mind the irony of wanting to be paid for their work... it's kind of hard to make the case that emulators are purely for research purposes if you're making a commercial product.
Damn, the timing. RIP Yuzu/Citra.
Did they shut down citra?
@@nickentros yup. 🤦♂️ Wish I knew earlier and I would have downloaded the latest apks. I'm sure we'll see them around shortly.
@@KyleRuggles yeah damn I grabbed the apk for yuzu but didn’t think about citra. I have an Odin 2 on the way
@@nickentros Lucky duck! I'm still enjoying my Odin base and the RP3+. Money is damn tight these days, but hey the longer I wait, the cheaper and better these handhelds will get.
You're gonna LOOOOVE the Odin 2! Probably the last android handheld anyone would want to buy for a few years.
@@KyleRugglesdefinitely, we won’t deal with this bs, once I heard Nintendo pulling their sh I got the stuff needed immediately.
When you say they want us to buy the game again remember they are only selling the license and can take it away at any time. We don't own our games any more. Someone needs to do legally challenge their terms of service on how they can "sell" games so that they can't take them away just because they want to.
Truly depressing! Just tired of Nintendo insisting of recharging for the same games over and over again, poor refund system, anti-consumer and fan policies.
At least Sony and MS get it. Where they allow their fans to play their games on PC!
As I understand it, the company making yuzu is now injuncted against continuing to develop or distribute yuzu. Since it’s open source, though, it will be trivial for someone else, who is not subject to the injunction, to create a fork of the emulator and continue development.
This probably will have a chilling effect on donation-funded emulator development, though.
It wasn't donation funded though, they charged users for early access builds. YuzuEA was almost entirely neccesary to play TotK at launch as well.
@@Kyle-yn5hy whilst knowingly hosting leaked roms on the Patreon and or discord
@@Kyle-yn5hy - and this is where they shot themselves in the foot
@@DragunBreath Yeah, and even though the developers of Yuzu are no longer able to make Yuzu, I'm sure plenty of the active contributors to the project will move over to Ryujinx.
Well, most of them, some of the Yuzu devs stole code from the Ryujinx dev PineappleEA so there might be some bad blood there, but Yuzu had a lot of other contributors seeing as it was an open-source project.
I disagree with Bill’s notion that Nintendo wouldn’t try this unless they felt confident in winning. They’ve done it before and know the most likely outcome is what happened here: the small guy settles. But even if Yuzu had fought and won, it still wouldn’t have been legal to share ROMs online. So even if courts rules that people could back up their own games and emulate their own machines, the common practice of downloading emulators and ROMs still would’ve been untouched by the ruling. And ROM sharing is never likely to be legal.
"Never go full Nintendo"😂
Sony is supposed to offer ps2 games with your ps plus premium, yet they don't
1:20:52 yes I did not like that, example here: I play league of legends and used to use an companion app (for like matchup suggestion or picking my runes), and one day they had this exact genius idea of "while the game is loading lets put our banner ad on the loading screen", I was so mad instantly uninstalled that thing.
These days Nintendo are basically leeching on customers for profit. They are literally some of the worst companies when they are doing well. Because of it, I hope the Switch 2 fails miserably so they can get a reality check where they are required to win back their customers and fan base again. Because that's the only time Nintendo are actually good (and with Iwata at the helm, bless his soul). The best period to be a Nintendo owner for me was during the Gamecube-, and the WiiU-era by far,
Bought TOTK twice, special edition and digital copy and still would rather play it on my PC . Now i wish i had only bought it once . Their actions against the emulation community have taken me 100% the market for anything nintendo. So funny how nintendo uses emulators on their own consoles Lol
I blame the people on TH-cam and the fanboys🤦🏽♂️If people would just stop making videos on it the reach of this would not go so far y'all don't realize the amount of influence
Whatever dude, not even.
I know the latest stories of the lawsuit, but just wanted to say that 20:16 is a good point. It’s better to just not settle this in court because a) it saves more money in the long run, and b) it helps to prevent this case from becoming the new reference case for future cases. I think Yuzu did the right thing here to not go to court and just settle outside.
what will happen to yuzu on my steam deck? will it just disappear? Or will it remain on my deck until it's uninstalled?
It will remain there unless emudeck does something with it, (Assuming you installed it with emudeck)
However it will no longer receive updates, which means no improvements will happen (and no exploits will be fixed if any are found)
@@TheFrantic5na dont be so pessimistic. the yuzu SW will certantily be forked as it is open-source an relife under a different name
What about Retrobat on windows?
Sorry guys I’m a PC noob
Cheers 🍻
@@malgerx4295 Oh I don't doubt it, but I don't think anyone is going to going to repost it without filing the serial numbers off first. Which probably means you wouldn't be able to directly update Yuzu to this new fork, though admittedly I don't know how Yuzu self-updates.
@@BlueCollaredGrit Don't know that program, but generally with programs that aren't DRM-filled, it'll just stay there.
I would recommend turning off automatic updates, although it looks like Yuzu doesn't have those on quick glance.
@ 9:20 I completely agree with Cary's take. I think it's nintendo's fault, 100%.
I was about to buy a game on the switch...now ill pass
Yea right 😂
"You will own nothing, and be happy."
I won’t be owning any systems either. Lol
Nintendo just won 2.4 million dollars and got Yuzu to close operations. But hear my words, the harder the console is to jailbreak, the harder the console is to sell. And nintendo will find this the hard way on their next console if if cannot be hacked like the switch was, and that's when nintendo is gonna lose more than the 2.4 million dollars they just won plus a low console sales. This was what made the PS2 and the switch to sale this much. I saw this video form another guy who mentioned this and it makes perfect sense.
What’s the person video name I want to know
Why does the gaming media have such cognitive dissonance regarding Nintendo's "Anti-consumer" nature? No other gaming companies' sins get swept under the rug like Nintendos.
switch is on its last legs, ive been backing up games since nintendo stopped eshop from previous consoles. they aren't guilting anyone
Well it looks like Nintendo is going to drag the Switch life out for another year or longer
Please.
These will be replaced by another 10 emulators.
History has shown it's things like this that makes emulation AND piracy become bigger.
On the dot, I myself downloaded Yuzu just because of what Nintendo did when I had no interest in it to begin with, reason to say it’s been good for me. Thanks Tropic Haze, we will show them what’s up.
the biggest issue is that amazon/nintento/etc are trying to blame and hold accountable the "provider" of a product, rather than seek out the actual individuals who may be "breaking" a law/rule, thats the bigger and more worrying precedent and they are getting away with it. It's no different to blaming a car company when a driver kills someone at a pedestrian crossing. emulators and emulation front ends like emulationstation should not be able to be dropped or attacked as "facilitating" anything as that is attempting to give direct blame for something they have not done, the end user is always responsible for their own actions.
In some part content creators contribute to this, because every single new console they got their hands on the only thing that was done was emulating. This is a very sensitive matter that shouldn't have had that much exposure.
Aww geez, you guys filmed this before the news of the settlement
Yep.
i found Russ' take on 'all the young people are gonna draw attention to it online' very funny, because i see history repeating itself here. in the late era of the GBA being a thing (think 2004/2005) were it was still a relevant console, it was already super easy to emulate it, and online forums and the like were full of kids (let's face it, we were just kids, even in our late teens) discussing how to get certain games to run best (i remember the pokemon games, aswell as kingdom hearts on the GBA specifically needing some adjusting with the save format with popular emulators at the time).
Put everything online for sale and this problem vanishes but nooooo they would rather stick to their ancient ways and proceed with litigation. So anti-consumer
I've been playing games by emulation since back when it took 6 hours on dialup internet to download Zelda 64 because my parents wouldn't buy systems for me as a kid. With that in mind Switch emulation has always been just a novelty to me. The switch and its games are so easily accessible. Emulating any of the big 3D games like Zelda on a handheld is not enjoyable to me because of all the shading cache stuttering. I much enjoy playing older systems that I wasn't allowed to play as a kid.
Nintendo is guilty of unlawful behavior by like extent. Like the economic model or not, we are in a capitalist model (those which this pertains to). The writings capitalism came from, express the problems with monopolies. For decades, we have been slipping to allow more and more monopolies, or situations in the spirit of monopolies. These are expressed through duopolies, exclusive rights for distribution, walled gardens and ecosystems. Windows encryption itself, what they are defending, is unlawful by the spirit of the law. Purchasing software and media should be the consumers choice for how they consume them, and if they mod them. The hardware they use should be the consumers choice separately. The OS and/or launcher should be the consumers choice. This is what drives the virtues of capitalism. Innovation, competition, and the marketing self balancing itself. These spiritual monopolies has for decades now been becoming increasingly the ruin of capitalism. I am not a capitalist, I am anti capitalist, but I understand its virtues when it applies. And the law is supposed to be in line with those with those virtues for healthy economy. Making breaking these things unlawful. So at a MUCH more core level, Nintendo is already unlawful. This is where I'd like to see the change. Which would make Nintendos complaints become a non issue. You could even go so far as applying abelism to companies participating in the walled garden / ecosystem / exclusivity features.
Great podcast, you misspelt "Balatro" btw 🙂
AI show notes. Haha. Sorry.
@@NerdNest AI Karamba! ... (Queue tumbleweed)
Inevitability isn't justification. Games designed for outdated hardware are not difficult to play on other available hardware. Switch was outdated at its announcement, never mind its retail launch. Doesn't make it right, it just makes it quick and easy
Also if they decide to fight it and set up legal fees I'm definitely willing to crack open the wallet
Awesome show as always gents and super appreciate you answering my question!
Should've known Cary had something going haha and that DK 2 handheld is super sick Bill! 100% on the boot up being a big part of that nostalgia chasing - really cool to hear y'all talk about that for a bit.
Citra getting taken down is just bizarre can someone explain that
I’m betting it has something to do with encryption on 3DS cartridges. But I don’t know for sure.
The yuzu team supported development and hosted the website. Therefore it got shutdown (at least for now) because the injunction explicitly prevents them from working on or distributing Nintendo emulators.
Nah, this isn't the end of Emulation. Hopefully a team from China will take over the project and re-release the emulator. Nintendo might have influence in the west, but they can't do anything if it's in China.
We NEED to have a CODE of HONOR BANNING EVERY COMPANY that do this by boycotting ALL their new games. WE are just TOO GOTDAMN LAZY to do this. HONESTLY we HAVE ENOUGH GAMES to play to DO this...LET'S DO it. They NEED to know that WITHOUT US they have NO company. PERIOD. CONSUMER POWER.
Here’s the line I just heard… “If Buying isn’t owning, the piracy isn’t stealing.”
well they basically won without a fight. Gotta love big companies having more control over products YOU bought with YOUR money because they are absolutely the big bad wolf here. Now to see what follows after they see they can get away with this shit. I stopped supporting Nintendo during the WiiU era for how the treated their customers that were essentially offering free promotion for their products. Idk who's worse, them or apple.
Not only Nintendo took down Yuzu but also the 3DS emulator Citra.
When it rains it pours.
THIS is a SLAP in the FACE because THEYU THEMSELVES ABANDONED these games until they were Preserved. They SAW retro is KILLING their idea to CONTINUE to see us Broken Games is WHAT this is REALLY all about. THAT'S why they nearly killed all of their video game testers.
Hello yuz-ers and Citra fans:
We write today to inform you that yuzu and yuzu’s support of Citra are being discontinued, effective immediately.
yuzu and its team have always been against piracy. We started the projects in good faith, out of passion for Nintendo and its consoles and games, and were not intending to cause harm. But we see now that because our projects can circumvent Nintendo’s technological protection measures and allow users to play games outside of authorized hardware, they have led to extensive piracy. In particular, we have been deeply disappointed when users have used our software to leak game content prior to its release and ruin the experience for legitimate purchasers and fans.
We have come to the decision that we cannot continue to allow this to occur. Piracy was never our intention, and we believe that piracy of video games and on video game consoles should end. Effective today, we will be pulling our code repositories offline, discontinuing our Patreon accounts and Discord servers, and, soon, shutting down our websites. We hope our actions will be a small step toward ending piracy of all creators’ works.
Thank you for your years of support and for understanding our decision.
Does happen to remember the kids game show Video Power? It aired in the mid 90's. I always wanted to be a contestant just to run through that maze of video game awesomeness!
Damn You Russ! Thanks for getting me and my wife hooked on Suika😂
Big companies dissapointing gamers worldwide...we need SEGA to get back in the console race
this got outdated very quickly. maybe the podcast should of been postponed a day. although to be fair we didn't see an admittance of guilt being the outcome. The ryujinx team better be preparing a case since they will have a cease and desist by the end of week coming believe me.
None of them have a case dude, at least not as big as the money case that Nintendo has.
Yea because they can read the future…
The Indian giving that these corprations play is just appalling. Its not just video games.
Retail is sending people to jail for not stealing. Car companies retroactively removing features, or charging a subscription for heated seats!
Shit in the state of Virginia, if you own a car registered to you, and you don't pay your insurance for any reason, they will just suspend your license. So if you have another car with insurance, and you drive it, the next time you get pulled over will result in finding out you don't have a license.
I can't get behind your assessment of FF7. However I am a major FF7 nerd so a lot of my love comes from nostalgia. I just replayed Remake to get ready for Rebirth, and its great!
Also who complains about fan service?! My wife loves watching me play.
Game & Watch titles are often genuinely fun. Super Mario Bros Game and Watch was my childhood one, first video game I got. I also had a few other simple LCD (Tiger, etc) games, and they are garbage in comparison. Nintendo game designers really understood the limitations and how to work with them WAY better.
From now on if someone tells me to take a chill pill I'll ask:
"Oh is there a new NerdNest Podcast episode out?"
Decryption will just now have to happen externally from the emulator. Roms will be decrypted and then played decrypted on an emulator.
People over corporations! ✊🌟✊
Nintendo I grew up loving your games but I don't love you im just a number to you so I will never pay for your stuff ever.
Nintendo should open up their first party and third party exclusives… or just get into software and leave hardware alone.
I don't see why Nintendo shouldn't protect all their intellectual property right from 1980's super Mario Bros 1. If I made a game that people wanted to play 40 years later, I would want to be paid for it also. The rolling Stones still gets paid for music they made in the 60s.
It’s easy to get and pay for music no matter what device you have. Nintendo refuses to release many of their older games
Legal or not, nothing is gonna stop me from enjoying PS2/3 games on the go.
Nintendo is legally in the wrong. Nintendo is ethically in the wrong. It is always ethical to purate Nintendo games. It is never wrong.
I called this from day 1. Yuzu didn't have a case to defend if this went to court...fact is yuzu facilitated emulation of current software. If this had been an emulator for nes or super NES I doubt Nintendo would care...people claiming that if they own a game they are allowed to download it are mistaken. If you own a game you're allowed to backup THAT game by ripping it (if you have the means). Downloading it from a 3rd party source is still considered illegal....
Yuzu's explanation of they didn't provide product keys is pure poppycock when in their own explanation to install yuzu they tell you "you need to get the product keys to play the game." They're literally telling people what they need in order to pirate the game...hence "facilitates piracy"...
In the end I'm actually surprised yuzu even had $2.4 mil to give them since they operated on public donations...but of course, taking this to court would have probably cost them more in the long run... remember what they did to that Bowser guy after he got out of prison...he basically has to pay Nintendo money for the rest of his life from any paycheck he earns...yuzu wasn't about to fall in that scenario.😄
Note to any future programmers thinking of creating an emulator... don't emulate any current consoles cause it might cost you.
My understanding is Yuzu used a file/code which was property of Nintendo that's why they were found guilty, if an emulator is %100 free of someone else's property, even if it can play pirate games, legally they can't be touched, if the developers left that part out of the emulator but you could then patch it to work, downloading the patch from the Web somewhere, then wouldn't Yuzu then be legal? I'm sure it would be.
9:21 This is such a whiny and insufferable take from The Phawx. The reason why certain ROM sites don't host software from current-gen systems is for... THIS! This is the reason why, because you could get sued into oblivion for it. The series of events that led to Yuzu's downfall were incredibly easy to forecast, and instead of shaking hands and saying, "Yup, yup, knew that was gonna happen - good game," Phawx decided to play the victim. What a take!
The Retrotink 4K is absolute one hundred percent worth the money IF you are a retro enthusiast who wants the best quality. You don't even have to use all original hardware, you could get a MiSTer FPGA and connect that up too.
Fantastic episode Bill and Co. Thank you chaps.
i am loving this pod keep it up guysss
I think they’re targeting yuzu because it’s on android and handhelds like the Odin far out perform the Nintendo hardware
Totally not because people were allowed to play leaked content before release date..
@@Sairiuitotally not nintendos fault for the leak getting out and their horrible security.
@@sushi_wolftotally not the fault of the people who felt the need to ruin it for others by posting game content on twitter and other social media before launch date.
also there is another thing- alot of people that emulate are from coutnries where there is no acess to these games, poorer.. but again.. litearlly no means to GET THE GAME..
nintendo did a great job messing their Pr as usual.
oh shit I had no idea hearthstone was having a 10 year anniversary event. I was really into hearthstone around the lich king and the dinosaur expansions. I'm gonna try to get back into the game
Nintendo hates their own fans. That's why I've vowed to emulate Nintendo games as long as I can. They expect us to pay for the same games over and over, so greedy.
So what about the other switch emulator how come Nintendo didn't go after them
If Nintendo wants ABSOLUTE control they should stop selling anything and everything. They can lease their consoles instead and lease every game for it. I wouldn't participate in that, but maybe some people would and Nintendo can make money (or not) from them. Nintendo will never get money from me ever again, I certainly won't buy their products ever again. I really hope people ditch Nintendo and they go under. I actively want Nintendo to go away and all of their employees to lose their jobs as they are complicit in being anti-consumer.
Nintendo will not change their business practices until they are loosing money. Rail against them all you want but as long as people continue to buy their products nothing will change. This isn’t an issue that Nintendo’s consumer base cares about.
What's preventing the yuzu team for moving to a different country? North American law it's not world law, just saying
I’m obsessed with Balatro and since I started winning runs, I can’t stop playing lol.
From my childhood(probably 2001), I had a lightsaber that had some buttons and a small screen in the middle of it and had a simple game loaded on it. I loved that stupid thing. Its One of those things that if I could emulate it I would not waste my time but if I ever found another physical model I'd probably play the heck out of it
I’m not buying Nintendo products anymore. I understand the Yuzu situation but Citra?! This will only make used games more expensive.. Nintendo should sell their rom’s like GOG after console death. Nicely zipped, tons of goodies. & then they get paid again & again.. Nope! It would cost them too much in license fee’s or whatever BS
Nintendo is forgetting about all the hacked switchs
Exactly they need to ban every system that has this now.
That donkey Kong game is a lot of fun, you can play it in Game & Watch Gallery 3 for Gameboy Color, it has most of the games and they include a remake version
faster get them before it gets harder to find them. mine already updated to 278 because of obtanium.
If we just followed the first rule of fight club.
Which rule is that
If the switch 2 is digital only, I won't buy it, honestly Nintendo really has not been hitting it home with me in terms of gameplay anyway. So I will be done period as a long time Nintendo fan.
Holy moly. Napster. That brings me back to a past time
Does this hurt all emulation like playstation etc, i can give a fuck less about Nintendo
We need a team in Russia or somewhere where they don't have to fear legal action to step up. I own a Switch, but I really don't want to go back to playing on this underpowered hardware...
But, yeah, those numbers are always nonsense. There's more of us who buy games and also download them than you'd think, and many of the flat out pirates are only playing your game, because they can. Regardless, of what you do they're not going to buy your product, so it's not a lost sale. (It, probably, actually benefits the publisher in these cases, because if they look anything up about the game, talk about it, etc. they'll still be helping to create buzz around it, and may eventually end up developing into a fan and paying customer)
I’m okay with buying digital when the price makes sense to risk not owning it forever. In that sense, I don’t mind buying steam games when they’re on sale, but I do not understand why people would buy digital titles when they are the same or more than physical copies. It’s only a negative trade off at that point. I buy 90% of my Nintendo Switch games physically and I wouldn’t buy any PS5 or XSX games digitally when the console remains at home right next to my physical games.
The hypocrisy of Nintendo. Suing others for emulating Nintendo games, but Nintendo allows to emulate their own games?
Rockstar sells you pirated software too...
With that logic, Nintendo is selling you games so that means you can pirate them
How is that hypocrisy? It's their content, they can do whatever they want with their own software.
@@AOClaus it’s almost like they don’t understand what piracy is
Thanks for the interesting discussion. The combination yuzu + Balatro is awesome ; it saves people in a country where it's delisted 👍
I think people are getting tired of paying crazy prices for subpar Nintendo Switch hardware and software.
He was offended by Barret? Embarrassed to show his wife? huh?