Gudo Nishijima on Death in Buddhism

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  • @treeleafzendo
    @treeleafzendo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    There are no captions, but I made a transcript:
    Question: Two days before [someone I know at] university is 51 years old and yesterday she died suddenly, maybe a heart attack. I don't have a special feeling about this, but I have a question: In general, almost [all] religions have a [opinion] about the death of people, In Buddhism [how] would you explain about concept of death. .
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    Nishijima: In Buddhism, death is a state at the present moment so that even though people usually think that when we are living we are happy, and when we have died it is very sad, but Buddhism thinks that life and death are just the state at the present moment. Therefore, when we are living ... now I’m living, now I’m living ... such a condition continues, and if I died ... I have died, I have died I have died ... such a moment continues. So that according to Buddhist theory, life and death are not so different. It is just the state at the present moment. That is the Buddhist idea. So according to Buddhist theory we do not love life to live so much, [and] we do not fear to die so much. They are in common. Therefore, when we are living we enjoy living, when we die we can enjoy [to] die.
    Question: In what way can we enjoy to die? .
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    Nishijima Because [to assert that] life is always happy or pleasant is a little doubtful. I have experience to run rather long distances [as a runner], and thinking about the existence of a goal, he [a runner] can run to the goal. But if there is no goal and I have to continue running endlessly, this [would then be a] very serious condition. Therefore, fortunately we have the end of life that is the entering of the goal. So in such situation, the existence of death is also a kind of benevolent condition. That fact is death. .
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    Question: If someone dies, we can assume that the universe continues. But for the person who dies the universe no longer exists.
    Nishijima: So, if we use a simile of foam on a river, sometimes foam appears on the surface of the river and flows for awhile, and [then dissolves and] breaks down ... And in such situation, the foam comes back to the water of the river. So both exist, but the foam has vanished. That is the human life I think. Therefore, the water really exists, however the foam disappears and doesn't appear again. So, a simile of foam is rather a good explanation of human life.

  • @Opetlao
    @Opetlao 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    I understand this man very well, what he saying is that the form it is not the true existing, the true existing is the water not the form in the water. So he saying that the spiritual side of our existing is the real world not this form world.

  • @Opetlao
    @Opetlao 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    When i say forms look at it this way on his last answer about death and he used the water as an example. When we're awaking we're all in form state. Even we're sleeping in dreams we're also in form state. You see shapes of people in dream and in awake state. When we die the our spirit arise and is in form state, like ghost. he's saying when we die all these state of form return back to its originate state, state of consciouness. Where he said that went the water break, it return to water again

  • @curewish574
    @curewish574 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the goal when i am dying, dying......dying ? Are endless dying moments to be cherished or is re-birth to be looked forward to ?

  • @Opetlao
    @Opetlao 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @hceggeberth Ok, I see now that I turn the volume up, he did say foam instead of form but either way it is still the same concept of what im saying. The point to the grasp from his answer to time frame 3:28 is that what will dissapear or goes away is the body not the natural state such as consciousness. I know that he didn't use the word consciousness. But we can't talk about death or birth without consciousness involve. I agree that there's no Atman. Let me explain.

  • @Opetlao
    @Opetlao 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    "energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from one form to another." then we all would just be in samsara with no hope. I believe the aim here for Siddhartha was to get away from forms? Not to be reconvert again and again? Study under a former student who study under Gudo for 20 years. I questions.

  • @Opetlao
    @Opetlao 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    First let me start with Gudo statement answer from 3:28 even though he give it a simple example you have to look at live and death carefully to have an insight into the nature of of birth and death. Even though he never mentioned about body, mind, spirit and consciousness, I assume that he already thinking that the questioner already have some knowledge about these four parts of the human being. And he just use the water and foam as a simple example. Now let me explain about Death.

  • @Opetlao
    @Opetlao 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @hceggeberth Oh I see, 20 years with the Zen master, let me ask you something. How did you came up the concept that he just said "energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from one form to another." To me looking at a scientific point of view I would agree with you but base on Buddhism I have to challenge that ideas.
    if that was the case then what's the point of even praticing Zen or Buddhism? That was the case then what's the point of the Siddhartha reaching Buddha?

  • @SavahRellcast
    @SavahRellcast 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please excuse me, but, did he say the "excistance of death is also kind of benevolent condition." His accent throws me sometimes.

  • @Opetlao
    @Opetlao 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    example of forms state as illusional like state. I'll use dreams as an example. When you dream u see people it looks real. Then u woke up and u realized is was only a dream, it became more of an illusion. When you die the spirit awake, then you realized that the body is another illusional state. When the spirit let go of attachment, consciouness awake.The the spirit experince became more like an illusional state not so real anymore. In the state of consciouness is where all forms must return to.

  • @Opetlao
    @Opetlao 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @hceggeberth
    Ok when i wrote my statement back then I should made it unclear statement. I was only pertain to the his last answer on the questioner question about death. Yes I agree that life and death it is state in the present moment. But his last answer when he use the water as an example of life and death he is saying in another way that forms such as bodies, our spirit, these are all forms. They will pass away and what remain is our consciousness. Please read about i'll try to explain.

  • @Brendatalks963
    @Brendatalks963 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gassho🙏🙏

  • @Opetlao
    @Opetlao 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    We can not talk about death without the mentioned of the body and mind/spirit and the state of consciousness. I assumed that you are familure with Buddhism. I agree that the Buddha don't believe in ATMAN that is Hindus, but it doesn't mean that the Buddha or Buddhism doesn't believe in the existing consciouness. Because ATMAN to a lot of people, meaning that there's a existing being who going to look like them after they died, a soul. Far as the Buddha said he said there's no ANATA.