He probably doesn’t realize that late game he can’t just place new towers and expect it to work. He is better off blowing all his money in 1 or a few specific towers to do tons upon tons of damage with that 1 tower. Oh and mama using towers use more mana the higher level they get
It's interesting watching people learn this game, they tend to go through one of two learning paths, either they a) build 4 towers and upgrade them, then die, or b) build 200 towers and upgrade none, then die. It always seems to take people a while to realise that a mix of the two strategies is probably the best idea.
Its prob better to have your upgraded towers in the middle -ish area and then some non upgraded towers at the start of the monsters spawn to soften them up a bit.
The thing they also never learn (DF included) is the importance of damage over time. Put some towers along the path so that the mush pot is only having to take out 3/4s of the health instead of all of it.
@@tylerlewis6813 and have high health damaging towers closer to the home base since hopefully by the time things get there their shield and armor is gone.
@@tylerlewis6813 Yeah, when bleed is damage over time which is what DF wanted to go for today, then it's better to increase time, which means starting the bleed damage right when they spawn instead of near your base
Editor: *Calls out DF for not upgrading towers* Commenters: *Call out DF for not upgrading towers* DF: *Still does not upgrade towers. Refuses to elaborate. Leaves.* Chad DF.
To be fair, Beaten both 1 and 2 and got to the end of 3 way (died on 45 boss) without ever upgrading a tower manually, jsut used a crap ton of ballista and the college thing to upgrade damage.
Just so you know DF, at 2:49 the "+30 to 80" means that it increases the max bleed per second by 30 and makes the total 80 (before, you had 50). I hope that makes sense
@@Jorquia U can't. It's only on Steam, and the Steam app is broken on android. We are all feeling pain. Those Steam devs better fix the android version.
I’m just going to bed it’s 4am here and I can’t wait to watch this vid after a good night rest. Really appreciate your and the whole team’s work ethic. Love the content and just wanted to let you know your videos are so good at lifting the mood for a whole day ^^
Radars are really strong and probs my favorite tower. They even count as protecting houses so when they level up from killing basically anything that's on the map they tend to be the best for increasing your gold income from the houses near your tower
Ive found its best to use mortars to cover broader ranges. So have a group together in the first split, then from there move them around so they cover everything. A sort of constant damage for wherever the enemies spawn, making them weaker by the time they reach the funnel
wave 40 is so strong because starting at that wave a new type of enemy spawns. that type will split when killed, twice. first it turns into those beholder looking types, then into those very fast eyeballs. that wave 40 is the bane of many runs. you need multiple killzones in a row to effectively deal with those new monsters.
So... Poison affects shields. Shield reduces fire and bleed effect. Fire affects armor. Armor reduces bleed effect. Bleed affects HP So you could space those out to maximize your damages
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Instead of getting hundreds of towers upgrade the ones you have and you can easily beat this. I use 3 Tesla coils, one for health, one for shield, and one for armor and the place frost keeps all around. You literally can beat the game with 6 towers.
@@TerminalHeatSink he’s not lying! One lane is easily beat by getting the crit per level card then just upgrade a Tesla to level 50+ and get a bunch of frost keeps.
I find that personally, I don't bither upgrading anything other than the hyper specific towers (partical cannons, obelisks, whatever the 3rd is) before zombie oogie, cause the towers jjust upgrade themselves and you need a good group of towers anyway. But after him, it's really necessary to do at least a few upgrades to everyone, up to level 9.
Setting down an Obelisk right along your base's home stretch, targeting lowest Health, can clean up a lot of leakers that think they can smell freedom. Works even better linked to a frost tower and two shredder emplacements bracketing the frost tower's area of effect.
I actually beat it without using ballista's using mortars and shredders. They are mean, when upgraded. Also, there is a mod that has a speed up function. It is worth getting.
"These idiots are making it way too faR" *pathologically never notices it constantly running low/out of mana* "Let's just spam a bunch more frost keeps and tesla coils!"
3:10 spongebob lallala- AHHH!!!! 11:56 Huge Radar 20:51 Knockout 23:04 but Life Mana Steal and NOW you do magnetic blades? 24:56 can put things on these
It's official! DF has a new addiction! All hail the mighty mana cubes, know that you will never see fruition to your desperate begging for upgraded towers, like the videos each day in anticipation of seeing this game break from being played wrong!!!
“Wow, everything gets so strong suddenly!” Meanwhile, the Tesla Coils are barely sparking, poison sprayers are distributing minor colds, and fire shooters couldn’t even reheat pizza because this man can keep track of his mana about as well as an amnesiac goldfish
Almost 400 comments all saying “Upgrade your Towers” though only a few explaining why. The trick is that at a certain point it’s cheaper to upgrade a tower than add a new one - not just because of rising tower costs but also the mana cost of adding new banks or siphons. Because one thing that is important to know is that upgrading a tower doesn’t increase its mana consumption.
@@drblessed4148 Really? I haven’t noticed a huge shift? Might be because I am typically pretty mana paranoid, but I think the increase is not equivalent or even comparable to buying a whole other tower.
You need to throw down mines like mana siphons. Every mine increases your towers health by 1. So 20 mines is an extra 20 health. It really helps in late game when you have money to burn
Consider instead of placing damage closer to your tower, placing it farther out so the damage over time can actually damage over time until they hit the death area, if anything that spawns other idiots makes it past like they were at the end there having towers near the base won't help as much, good video over all, also keep upgrading towers!!
DF Chooses so many towers. That's how you get deck bloat. The oogies come from the longest route you didn't just extend. He chose the crit ability but didn't get any of his towers the extra crit chance.
When the first thing DF says is "we're gonba makd things bleed today" you know its going to be a good video ( not to say that all their other videos aren't good )
DF, you should play deep rock galactic, it's a game where you're a dwarf that mines, makes money, and kills insects/shoots stuff, it's everything you seem to love
Not sure if this was mentioned, but if you want oogie to take the longest path, expand one of the others at the end of 14, 24, 34, and 44. He's built to take the longest path you didn't just expand for waves 15, 25, 35, and 45.
4 levels away from win! The planes are same like mortar towers but a bit stronger and with railgun range I liked DF's way of keeping all lanes under the freeze from frost towers,that was good
Mana management. If you want to use multiple of each mana using tower you can do that. But not on the same chokepoint. Upgrade levels on chokepoints and just increase the number of chokepoints so that your strongest one is the first crossroads. Also rolling the "crits do 50% of bleed/poison/burn" cards is op af. They basically deal half of the stacked up status effect as soon as that enemy gets crit. So if you get one you will want to have singular very strong sawblades with supporting ballistas/whatever behind it to crack open those stacks.
DF, my gloriously voiced gaming pal. Please, for the sake of the fan bases sanity, realize that upgrading the towers is equally as important as the quantity of tower
DF the type of person to play Bloons and decide to spam basic dart monkeys to kill a moab instead of dropping one bomb tower and upgrading to moab mauler
The choke point strat is not bad since the lane splits and all enemies get there, the mana problem only occurs because he spams towers. It’s a viscous cycle of degenerate spending when he could upgrade 2-3 towers at the chokepoint instead to reduce mana cost.
With bleed, burn and poison, the best thing to do is spacing. Let them bleed and burn for a while and then have the towers again. Im currently on Two lanes and highest wave is 24 i think
DF just so you know shredder saws go down the lane of the target they’re shooting at came from. So they’re going down the short lane in your video because the mobs they’re shooting at actually make it to the tower or make it there first
People are getting riled up about DF, not upgrading consistently, or placing ballistas near houses, but honestly I'm enjoying the fresh strategies he's doing I'm glad he doesn't feel like he needs to do the obvious stuff cause as he said, if you wanted professional gameplay, you wouldn't have come here.
at a buffet, i personally sneak corndogs into the buffet so others can enjoy them. I hide 6 corndogs in my jacket pockets. it then, is a joy for me to see other patrons of the establishment eat my corndogs thinking they were part of the buffet.
I would love to see you try a crossbow only run. However if you do, I say you can also use mana siphons, mana banks, universities, the ones that work with graveyards, and mines. If you attempt this you have to change the targeting so they don't all shoot the same guy and overkill it.
Gotta set the mortars to aim at most Armor, don't upgrade any towers and look for spots where a tower can attack twice or more a round, thats just the whole game...
The whole “hoping he upgrades his towers this time” thing is lasting much longer then I thought so let’s get home to finally recognize a comment!
I genuinely wonder if he even realizes upgrading is an option
okay so he did upgrade his towers but only a few times. He should have done it a lot more I'm guessing
Question I have: Does he really upgrade or does the editing make him look like an idiot? Just wonder that some times.
He probably doesn’t realize that late game he can’t just place new towers and expect it to work. He is better off blowing all his money in 1 or a few specific towers to do tons upon tons of damage with that 1 tower.
Oh and mama using towers use more mana the higher level they get
I have been wondering if he just did it and cut out that part, does he really STILL not upgrade any towers?
Me: “I hope he upgrades his towers this time”
*DF LITERALLY spams 5 ballistas in a row*
4*
Me seeing DF get shock tower. "Has he learned that can solo game with a single one... I guess not."
i mean he did upgrade 13:22
atleast he put them next to houses. Took him forever but he's slowly adopting the pro strats
My problem is the placements. Especially the frost, poison, tesla. So ineffective.
DF: having a mana problem
also DF: MORE TOWERS!!!
It's interesting watching people learn this game, they tend to go through one of two learning paths, either they a) build 4 towers and upgrade them, then die, or b) build 200 towers and upgrade none, then die. It always seems to take people a while to realise that a mix of the two strategies is probably the best idea.
i go for heavy econ and spreading balistas with 2-4 levels into them. then spreading other towers and leveling 6-10 times if i have enough econ
Its prob better to have your upgraded towers in the middle -ish area and then some non upgraded towers at the start of the monsters spawn to soften them up a bit.
The thing they also never learn (DF included) is the importance of damage over time. Put some towers along the path so that the mush pot is only having to take out 3/4s of the health instead of all of it.
@@tylerlewis6813 and have high health damaging towers closer to the home base since hopefully by the time things get there their shield and armor is gone.
@@tylerlewis6813 Yeah, when bleed is damage over time which is what DF wanted to go for today, then it's better to increase time, which means starting the bleed damage right when they spawn instead of near your base
What’re the odds that DF finally learned to upgrade his towers instead of spamming?
Hopefully he learnt from his video yesterday that towers in these kinds of games are upgradable...hopefully.
I hope he does learn
Slim to none
0%
-2051%
Editor: *Calls out DF for not upgrading towers*
Commenters: *Call out DF for not upgrading towers*
DF: *Still does not upgrade towers. Refuses to elaborate. Leaves.*
Chad DF.
To be fair, Beaten both 1 and 2 and got to the end of 3 way (died on 45 boss) without ever upgrading a tower manually, jsut used a crap ton of ballista and the college thing to upgrade damage.
Just so you know DF, at 2:49 the "+30 to 80" means that it increases the max bleed per second by 30 and makes the total 80 (before, you had 50). I hope that makes sense
Cool
I love how DF calls everyone “idiots” even to the person he’s controlling in game
Out of topic, but can you play this on Android? I really want to :(
I also love how he puts blush on absolutely everything.
@@Jorquia U can't. It's only on Steam, and the Steam app is broken on android. We are all feeling pain. Those Steam devs better fix the android version.
@@mugiwaranoshadow2595 Yeah!
@@mugiwaranoshadow2595 yep
before watching the video, I pray that he upgrades his towers
You're wish has finally came true. 🤩
@@cytusx2343 nah fam he keeps spamming towers still. But still upgraded a few which is surprising 😅
Your wish came true
Sort of
I love how at 12:15 he says, "I'm not really sure if the air strike is working yet" right as a bright red plane flies across his screen lol
those guys spawn after you kill the host unit. The only way to counter it is to build kill boxes further away.
I’m just going to bed it’s 4am here and I can’t wait to watch this vid after a good night rest. Really appreciate your and the whole team’s work ethic. Love the content and just wanted to let you know your videos are so good at lifting the mood for a whole day ^^
Bro it’s 11 here
@@americantank8831 Michigan gang?
Screw sleep
Just watch it
It’s 12 here (south Florida)
It is 913 here
: plane flies across screen:
DF: "I don't know if airstrikes are really working..."
😂
Radars are really strong and probs my favorite tower. They even count as protecting houses so when they level up from killing basically anything that's on the map they tend to be the best for increasing your gold income from the houses near your tower
Ive found its best to use mortars to cover broader ranges. So have a group together in the first split, then from there move them around so they cover everything. A sort of constant damage for wherever the enemies spawn, making them weaker by the time they reach the funnel
wave 40 is so strong because starting at that wave a new type of enemy spawns. that type will split when killed, twice.
first it turns into those beholder looking types, then into those very fast eyeballs.
that wave 40 is the bane of many runs. you need multiple killzones in a row to effectively deal with those new monsters.
So...
Poison affects shields. Shield reduces fire and bleed effect.
Fire affects armor. Armor reduces bleed effect.
Bleed affects HP
So you could space those out to maximize your damages
Had a cold for a day and a half. Tested positive for covid about 8 hours ago. I’ve been restless and sleeping for no more than about 2 hours at a time for the last 24 hours. I’ve lost all sleeping patterns and am exhausted. You have no idea how nice it is that I can watch a DF video now. Normally I watch them when I wake up, but it’s 5am and I’ve been in bed for about 13 hours. Thank you for uploading so consistently
Df: we need more mana
Also DF: places 5 more mana towers in the next turn
DF last time. Gets killed by fast guys cause he focuses on mortars to much.
DF this time. Definition of madness
Instead of getting hundreds of towers upgrade the ones you have and you can easily beat this. I use 3 Tesla coils, one for health, one for shield, and one for armor and the place frost keeps all around. You literally can beat the game with 6 towers.
Really
Make a video of this or it didn't happen
@@TerminalHeatSink try it
@@Maxikxng don't have the game to try it for myself. I'll get it during a steam sale
@@TerminalHeatSink he’s not lying! One lane is easily beat by getting the crit per level card then just upgrade a Tesla to level 50+ and get a bunch of frost keeps.
Me clicking on a DangerouslyFunny video: Ahhh, time to watch a game SUFFER!
I find that personally, I don't bither upgrading anything other than the hyper specific towers (partical cannons, obelisks, whatever the 3rd is) before zombie oogie, cause the towers jjust upgrade themselves and you need a good group of towers anyway. But after him, it's really necessary to do at least a few upgrades to everyone, up to level 9.
I think DF would do better if he could manage his mana balance a lot better (he's kinda terrible at it)
DF: "Cause these guys aren't weak, but they are dead."
*Me: *confusion noises**
Setting down an Obelisk right along your base's home stretch, targeting lowest Health, can clean up a lot of leakers that think they can smell freedom. Works even better linked to a frost tower and two shredder emplacements bracketing the frost tower's area of effect.
“I sure hope he places his Tesla coils in a place that attacks everything in the radius” - Me. DF places at the corner
I actually beat it without using ballista's using mortars and shredders. They are mean, when upgraded. Also, there is a mod that has a speed up function. It is worth getting.
I just love how there is calming music as DF kills everything in his path XD
"These idiots are making it way too faR"
*pathologically never notices it constantly running low/out of mana*
"Let's just spam a bunch more frost keeps and tesla coils!"
3:10 spongebob lallala- AHHH!!!! 11:56 Huge Radar 20:51 Knockout 23:04 but Life Mana Steal and NOW you do magnetic blades? 24:56 can put things on these
It's official! DF has a new addiction! All hail the mighty mana cubes, know that you will never see fruition to your desperate begging for upgraded towers, like the videos each day in anticipation of seeing this game break from being played wrong!!!
From what I understand, Oogie always comes down the longest route, unless it's the one you just extended.
“Wow, everything gets so strong suddenly!”
Meanwhile, the Tesla Coils are barely sparking, poison sprayers are distributing minor colds, and fire shooters couldn’t even reheat pizza because this man can keep track of his mana about as well as an amnesiac goldfish
You should really pick up the ”mortar deals 25% poison/burn/bleed damage ” more often imo. Gives one tower so much different shred
Random tip: balistas set on fastest change targets every shot (especially with frost bolts) spreading their damage out.
Almost 400 comments all saying “Upgrade your Towers” though only a few explaining why.
The trick is that at a certain point it’s cheaper to upgrade a tower than add a new one - not just because of rising tower costs but also the mana cost of adding new banks or siphons. Because one thing that is important to know is that upgrading a tower doesn’t increase its mana consumption.
Upgrades definitely do increase the cost of mana, not sure what the exact thresholds are.
@@drblessed4148 Really? I haven’t noticed a huge shift? Might be because I am typically pretty mana paranoid, but I think the increase is not equivalent or even comparable to buying a whole other tower.
@@XDependent yes, as you level it increase the cost per shot, most noticeable on things like the obelisk that shoot fast anyways
@@drblessed4148 Fair enough. Though I still do not think that the optimal solution is buying another obelisk.
The game is called rouge tower for those who are wondering. Its a fanominal tower defense game
Put your towers on the high ground, as that increases both range and damage.
You need to throw down mines like mana siphons. Every mine increases your towers health by 1. So 20 mines is an extra 20 health. It really helps in late game when you have money to burn
Saw blades have a reputation for being ruthless and capable of slaying goblins and any other type of monster known to man.
love how he mentions getting both of the houses with one ballista
and then doesnt build 2 tiles bottomright for another double
Consider instead of placing damage closer to your tower, placing it farther out so the damage over time can actually damage over time until they hit the death area, if anything that spawns other idiots makes it past like they were at the end there having towers near the base won't help as much, good video over all, also keep upgrading towers!!
DF, the + indicator when you place a tower on higher ground will mean it has more range
DF Chooses so many towers. That's how you get deck bloat. The oogies come from the longest route you didn't just extend. He chose the crit ability but didn't get any of his towers the extra crit chance.
When the first thing DF says is "we're gonba makd things bleed today" you know its going to be a good video ( not to say that all their other videos aren't good )
Makes me think of JackSepticeye's Elden Ring video, kinda curious what a playthrough from DF would look like
DF, you should play deep rock galactic, it's a game where you're a dwarf that mines, makes money, and kills insects/shoots stuff, it's everything you seem to love
Oh gee murder and money call me
Imagine having the strongest defenses in the world and only having a small castle and four houses
Spent the budget on the guns, you know how it is.
Doing a fully ballista run is always fun and rewarding should give it a try, pretty easy to get off the ground on single path especially.
He needs to upgrade his towers to do more armor damage towards the end around the 19 minute mark there. All the enemies getting through had high armor
His active avoidance of higher locations, especially for AoE towers, always bugs me.
Nobody:
Inanimate Objects when DF says it’s Good: 🥰🥰🥵🥴😊😊😊
Not sure if this was mentioned, but if you want oogie to take the longest path, expand one of the others at the end of 14, 24, 34, and 44. He's built to take the longest path you didn't just expand for waves 15, 25, 35, and 45.
4 levels away from win! The planes are same like mortar towers but a bit stronger and with railgun range
I liked DF's way of keeping all lanes under the freeze from frost towers,that was good
I love the little references that are put everywhere it's a good touch *applause*
I would like to see DF do some of the achievement challenges (only ballista, Ballista and 1 other tower, never place a ballista, Etc.)
Mana management. If you want to use multiple of each mana using tower you can do that. But not on the same chokepoint. Upgrade levels on chokepoints and just increase the number of chokepoints so that your strongest one is the first crossroads. Also rolling the "crits do 50% of bleed/poison/burn" cards is op af. They basically deal half of the stacked up status effect as soon as that enemy gets crit. So if you get one you will want to have singular very strong sawblades with supporting ballistas/whatever behind it to crack open those stacks.
I've been watching this for year's, and they still never fail to make me smile
The tesla placements not on the +3 was killing me XD
i just want to say that i love your videos. i love coming home from school to see if DF has posted, just keep doing what you do, i love your vids
Has he learned the art of ✨UPGRADING✨!?!?!?
He has done the impossible
Almost 30 minutes of DF? Bless you 🥲 🙏
You know it's gonna be a good video when the first thing you hear is "we're gonna make things bleed today."
I really just fell asleep halfway through. It was 1am. That’s what I get having a bad sleep schedule. But I get to watch this again :)
Cellphone notifications are OP, never been this early in my life
I've discovered that he always uploads at exactly 10 pm every day, as long as you're in my time zone
I have no idea why but I love when DF doesn't level the towers. It means I can see the writhing pain of everyone in the comments lol
It's to the point where I am betting it is intentional.
be even more funny if he then wins because it is very possible to win with few to no bought tower upgrades
Thank you for making awesome daily videos. I look forward to them every day!
DF, my gloriously voiced gaming pal. Please, for the sake of the fan bases sanity, realize that upgrading the towers is equally as important as the quantity of tower
DF the type of person to play Bloons and decide to spam basic dart monkeys to kill a moab instead of dropping one bomb tower and upgrading to moab mauler
You should do a challenge where every square has to only contain one type of tower
i wanna see the power of upgraded towers! great video as always, keep it going
One day DF will learn to stop relying on single choke points, and maybe he'll even spread damage over the route. Nah, that's not the DF style!
well, it does work really well until like round 40, with the summoners
I mean stacking obscene amounts of aoe damage into the best choke point you have will carry you far in most any tower defense game
A single choke point that drains ALL of his mana at once so he's forced to invest heavily into mana which leaves him broke elsewhere.
The choke point strat is not bad since the lane splits and all enemies get there, the mana problem only occurs because he spams towers. It’s a viscous cycle of degenerate spending when he could upgrade 2-3 towers at the chokepoint instead to reduce mana cost.
- What kind of Shredder have you placed there?
- A Tower-Shredder.
xD
With bleed, burn and poison, the best thing to do is spacing. Let them bleed and burn for a while and then have the towers again. Im currently on Two lanes and highest wave is 24 i think
Very nice vid! Think df is finally getting the hang of the strategy of this game.
next time try causing some DOT to new spawned enemies so they have less health when they make it to your main damage area
Df, you should really take advantage of universities. they give you global damage buffs with rng each turn. they really help come the later levels.
his solution to minions getting past through all his tower is adding more tower and not realising his mana is out
Every boss has been introduced with Hollow Knight music, someone knows his games
DF just so you know shredder saws go down the lane of the target they’re shooting at came from. So they’re going down the short lane in your video because the mobs they’re shooting at actually make it to the tower or make it there first
*I think
“I don’t have enough mana! Time to place 3 frost towers and 2 flamethrowers!”
Oh, I know what the starting layout thing is. You get more stuff based on your starting health upgrades, It's unlisted in the menus.
Watching DF play this game is too stressful.
Especially when he needs mana banks (and tower upgrades) and he ignores them till the end of the video
I really like this game it’s one of the best games you’ve done in a while(not that the others are bad)
You should be setting up the frost towers on the path before the idiots get to the chaos zone.
Oogie spawns on the longest path as long as you haven't expanded the path on that turn
Love seeing this game tbh! Another that’s been on my wishlist for a bit and these vids have def swayed me to grab it!
People are getting riled up about DF, not upgrading consistently, or placing ballistas near houses, but honestly I'm enjoying the fresh strategies he's doing I'm glad he doesn't feel like he needs to do the obvious stuff cause as he said, if you wanted professional gameplay, you wouldn't have come here.
DF when you get the chance get the mod that can remove upgraded cards from the deck, that way you can build decks that are more specialized
Since mana was fine at the end, i think a Obelisk wouldve fend off the last few, but anyway awesome run!
the portal guys were dying and exploding into those fast guys which is why it looked like they were just getting through so easy
Unrelated but I love just listening to his vids as I’m about to sleep and hear him traumatizing a entire game
That Spongebob bit caught me very off guard and I am not disappointed. 😂
at a buffet, i personally sneak corndogs into the buffet so others can enjoy them. I hide 6 corndogs in my jacket pockets. it then, is a joy for me to see other patrons of the establishment eat my corndogs thinking they were part of the buffet.
His voice makes the video so much better idk why but it makes the video funny ( I’m not try to be rude if you think I am btw )
Wish I could watch but it's one in the morning and these videos make me laugh too much!
MORE MORE MORE I LOVE THIS GAME. Well not playing but watching you play it
I would love to see you try a crossbow only run. However if you do, I say you can also use mana siphons, mana banks, universities, the ones that work with graveyards, and mines. If you attempt this you have to change the targeting so they don't all shoot the same guy and overkill it.
goblins: fear not my brothers!
df: So you thought.
Gotta set the mortars to aim at most Armor, don't upgrade any towers and look for spots where a tower can attack twice or more a round, thats just the whole game...
I think df underestimates the radar’s power. Slap down four or five of those guys and they’ll melt through bosses like butter