Farmertec 288 kitsaw. Why won't this saw run properly??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 พ.ย. 2022
- Let's have another look at our spare farmertec 288 kitsaw. I've decided to go in a different direction with this build to try and make it better and more long lasting.
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Wish u did a brake clean or vac test, and also test the "pop off" of the carb's metering valve. Rule out an air leak. Rule out the tank vent while your at it. Then swap out carbs maybe or at least take a peek inside that carb. A whole sale change means if it works, no real idea why :) Based on the assembly to this point, wouldn't assume a thing, from case screws being tight to seals not square. My bet if you tore it down and build as you do, that saw would have no issues :)
Good call Walt. I'd love to see it vac tested and the other basics checked, to get it running as is.
Yeah I would love to see what is actually happening too. I would learn more that way but that’s it.
GOODLUCK .peace an love.
That is a great idea! 👍
I'm really looking forward to this project. I have a 372 clone on the way. 🤞
Sounds like you've got a good plan Tinman. Can't wait to see how it turns out.
Love the idea of building a Frankenstein saw, Tinman! Can’t wait to see more! Stoked!
Lol the Franken 88 love the idea.
Hey! I hope you and your family are well! I really enjoy your videos!
Looking forward to this build Tinman
Tinman i hope your back to 100% soon. definitely don't overdo it to quick the body needs time to heal proper. i do also hope u are back in the wood again soon for winder comes in full fledge. we had 64mph gust yesterday here in southwest mi (Kalamazoo county). lots of dead growth and trees down throughout the county. some power outages too but we got power here. also give Mrs Tinman and the new addition to the family my best wishes. Cheers friend 😊😊
Exciting build
Pretty cool idea buddy!
That will be interesting for sure, can't wait. TC Mahalo Tinman 🤙🤙🤙
Good stuff tinman, I agree that’s there’s something up with that Chinese carb. My ported OEM 288 runs perfect at 1.25 on H screw, gives a nice four stroke until it is really grabbing some wood.
Enjoyed the video ... just as soon not have china parts .. all the best!
Bro I have a 100 dollar saw from ebay that bull dog some crap I did port on it run 32in bar she runs really good been running good for 2 years it was just for fun but it's awsome.
These CHinese saw makers source parts from different manufacturers for the same part so you get highly variable quality and metalurgy/casting. I bought a G660 for a log home build using massive logs so I needed something that would run a 32 inch bar. It was always hard to start but the real issue is the way it eats parts. the oiler quit, the chain tension adjuster was junk. the clutch bearing failed. Then a carb rebuild, now it wants new crank seals. I'm just sick of working on it. WHen it runs it cuts great but every time I pick it up it's a different saw.
A big problem with this stuff too is that even if the shape of a part is exactly the same as OEM, like you said a lot of the time the material quality of the Chinese parts is garbage.
@@rileyjohnston8393 exactly. a CHinese cylinder may look the same but cheap alloys move around differently when they are cold or hot or running hard
I also meant to add that you can get two of the same model as Tinman has and they act like completely different machines
another notion of mine is the alignment of the crank-halves after the journal is pressed into place. It doesn't take much more than a few thousandths to make a saw run weird. The induced wobble isn't enough to blow the thing up but they eat bearings and seals and can be inconsistent in how they pull in the air/fuel mix. Never checked a saw for misalignement but I've seen privateer mMX guys blow up expensive dirtbike engines because they didn't get crank alignment right
Also, the nice thing about these Junks is that they are so cheap you just don't feel too bad about dropping one in a dumpster.
Yea covid sucks the first time, the 2nd week was worse for me but I kept moving after laying around and I felt better when I got up and moved but definitely was tired 😫 . I look forward to learning more and more I bought a rebuilt 120 of Amazon a few years ago and could never get it running properly and messed with the jets and made it worse and haven't been able to get it running again. I have a 545xp that I totally love and a 460 rancher. I'm saving up for a 592xp to use for the big logs I've acquired for my new firewood business. But I'd like to learn how to work on them as well!
I was on day 5 in the woods cutting firewood when I got the call saying I was positive. They acted like I should been in ground. I was a little light winded but definitely a lot better from the couple days before. It was 35f and windy. I needed wood bad. If not I’d been sipping fireball and watching tv
Tinman- I’ve been struggling with a basket case 272xp that wouldn’t tune, idle, hard to start… I tried a different carb, re-checked for air leaks ect. The saw had a new aftermarket coil on it that I gaped with a business card as I always do.The saw sat under the bench for the last year and I pulled it out and re-set the coil gap to .005”, and it ran like a brand new saw. Cut 3 loads of wood with it. Starts good too! I was thinking fuel/air issue, but🤷♂️
I think it's a great 👍 idea!!
How about testing some of the parts from this bad 288 on your good 288. I'm thinking ignition and carb as a start. Best way to identify and filter out the bad parts and its quick. A little disruptive for the good 288 maybe but when you're done go back to original parts on the good 288.
Just a suggestion. Id look into a thick RC car pit mat (proline or proteck) for your workbench. It dampens the saw vibrations so tools aren’t falling off your bench and it makes it easier to find the tuning screws while it’s running.
Or a mud flap, old door mat, etc
Those work too. I’ve tried hard toolbox liners they don’t work as well. My protek pit mat is like a silicone/foam material. Almost feels like a tougher memory foam the saw just kinda sinks into a spot and stays.
Very interesting huh
Hi tinman, try pressure /vac test on the finicky one or swap over both carbs and see does trouble swap also..
76 deg f in East Tennessee today. Pastures are still green, and the livestock are happy. But it will be firewood season in a week or so.
I wanted to be felling too but winter hit Alberta with a vengeance
So you mean a Rick into the shop?
Yes 👍👍👍
Had a strain of that last year- feel good for a while, then it would knock me down. Same thing over and over for about 6-7 weeks.
Yes aftermarket head and pistons and crankshaft form good brand thats wat I was gonna dow
Oh man I just got over the covid a month ago..I wasn't terribly sick but the energy took like 2 weeks till I felt 100%..I just built my farmertec 395 while I was sick n it's really good..just simple woods port n muff mod ..fingers crossed no issues n just breaking in...i have to disagree on your crank assessment..ive been running heavily ported milling 660s for over 5 years without crank ,top end or anything catastrophic..bout dozen seals over the years but thats it...feel better tinman..
Just a suggestion. It’s a pain having everything on a bench vibrating away. Maybe you should get a piece of high density foam for under a saw when you run them. Maybey a double layer of workout mat about 16” square. That way the vibration is dampened and your excess oil is contained.
I am all to familiar with tuning issues, lately I’ve been running a ported rancher 55, and I’ve been fighting it. One day it runs great, go to restart and nothing. Or it just won’t start, at this point I’m waiting for parts to HOPEFULLY fix it. We shall see
My personal opinion on a "bigger displacement" saw is they need to "blubber" quite a bit before they get broke in, then tune them for a cleaner running tune.....
Hope you recover soon.
👍
Sounds good to me build a bush dog saw mod the muffler to
all the time ;)
You mentioned the Farmertec cranks are soft and wouldn't hold up to porting. Do you think there is a way to harden the cranks to stand up to the abuse?
Throw the carb away and put on a new Tillotson or whatever is run on a 288......
Sometimes the heinz 57's are the best runners!
Hey Tinamn, I am about to throw a new to me 359 back together. Kind of curious to see how she runs considering someone before me put a 357xp stuffer crank in it. I'm strongly considering doing a base gasket delete and a modded muffler too. As far as the gasket delete goes; what do you use for sealant and how much should I apply?
I have a 359 with some mild porting, duel port muffler mod and a base gasket delete. I use motoseal it's the same stuff Tinman uses...works great and the saw is a beast!
COVID will kick your ass. I have had it twice. Just knocks you to your knees. Totally exhausted at times. Simple tasks like climbing a set of stairs can be brutal.
How do you feel now 2 months later?
I think you moved the wrong saw when you said junk Saw Lol 😅
Ya Covid sucks I had it once
Before you tear it down, change carb. Just to find out if that is the main issue. Easy, you have a tested oem. Then make a professional saw with known better quality essential parts. A side comment- I have flown Radio Control airplanes for 21 years now, and was a aircraft mechanic for a living. When the orientals cloned German and American RC engines, some put Walbro carburetors on them, some cloned the carbs. The needles on the clones were a much finer pitch, thus definitely changing the known start settings. One that ended up being a real value buy had major carb issues for almost a year with people really upset about it. Finally found out that the sealant used in securing the main jet body had too much used, thus blocking fuel flow, yadda yadda. Tiny bit of excess sealant in the initial run(s) caused tons of research ( by the consumers) to correct. So……..humor both me and the guy who donated the research unit- seems like he would be impressed to find out what the “ bug “ was, and all of your viewers that will have the knowledge provided by the “test”. You will be glad that you did the ten minute trial. Covid sucks! Still don’t know what is capable of, and pushing 71 with long term COPD and other respiratory issues I have been doing the hermit thing since it first started. Wanna build stuff for a long time, and people make less sense than motors- lots of that to catch up with.
if you think its leaking, why not pressure test it?
Gut feeling is that China carb is screwy. I bet you throw that OEM carb on and it will run like a top.
The OEM carb is probably also made in China!
@@ronaldbrown5745 288 Tillotson carb from that era would be made in either Ireland or USA.
Hey!!!!
Would you port a cylinder for me if I mailed it to you?
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15:05 is that a crack at the bottom of the cylinder?
Na it's just dirty.
Love your videos
But meaning no disrespect
Those China clones are fun to tinker with I’m sure but mark my words husqvarna and Stihl will go out of buesness trying to compeat other them
When they do we will all pay premium price for China made saws
It’s happening to thousands of good solid companies
Look at the US machine tool industry not a single one left
Bridgeport I believe was the last
Keep up the good work
Breathlessness for a couple weeks afterwards is normal..
Hello friends
Chyna.🤔
sadly the chinese made stuff is just built to the specs they have in mind.
I have a couple chinese TAP n Die sets - both are different from the other :o
I have a Japan set I use as it is the same as my USA made set - true to size/dimensions.
Ive had FT saws and NT saw. [yeah nt is a little nicer fit & finish, BUT] both were varied on their sizes. in the saw and the carbs, they are close, but. . .
when you buy a chinese clone [my opinion here] it is a gamble. either you get a good one that you love to run.
or you get a box of goods that, night be "ok" or it just fails.
it is a gamble. You could win, you could win BIG or you can loose :( .
its what is important to you.
A chinese saw is a great learning tool. and if you want to learn? or if you want to be working on it - they are just what you needed.
If you want to pick it up and use it to cut consistently? them you need something built that is reliable. [not a clone]
Your going to build that one into a good reliable saw. So YES replace what parts are not quite right with parts you know are made right!
that will be a good tool after you have built it with quality parts and added your magical touch to finish it.
whoever gets that saw will have a great tool? :)
yean my NT clone taught me well.
I want a real husky 365. :D
I had covid 2 the first time it's horrible
Port the living snot out of it
have followed the series with interest but in this video you are departing from the original idea of creating a 90cc saw from a kit. Most people do not have old 88's lying around to rob for parts or use to hybridize with the kit from China. To me it is important to see this through solely relying on the Farmer tec kit, otherwise a buyer of the kit is just playing a crap shoot....some kits maybe good, others not worth a damn and when you get a lousy kit ya really need to have a path to fixing what is broke without reliance on vintage or high end after market 288 parts
I have 2 of the 288 kits. The other one is staying stock I've been running it on the channel as built.
This one is the second saw and is just for fun..