I just spent a couple minutes trying to figure out what was messing with my Internet connection! Although I did find it odd that the audio and the rest of the video was fine.
With 250 $ after shipping and VAT to europe I'm out unfortunally. Setting does not really draw me in, but pre-painted is cool and there a a lot of innovative ideas. I hope they do well, looks like a great addition to the genre no matter if I get it or not.
Normally I really enjoy your “should you back it” videos but I found this one even more insightful than usual. I really appreciated the discussion on the unique nature of the game and how that makes it tougher to compare to typical ones, as well as your thoughts on the difference between the preview vids and what those people are saying on social media. Keep up the amazing work and thanks!
I was going back and forth between this and Drunagor and have decided on Arydia. While Drunagor looks great and has good reviews, the fact that the campaign is broken up into so many pieces and expansions and add-ons turned me off. Arydia (so far) seems to have a nice, easy campaign with just a few pledge levels. It makes the agonizing over what add-on's to get (without spending almost $600 USD) a non-factor which I really appreciate.
Ill admit that the shear amount of stuff for Drunagor caused me to back out. It was a sort of reverse FOMO. I knew I would never see it all so I decided to avoid it.
@@radip He probably was too shy to go EZ PAY. I took a risk back then with CoD 1.0 and I am glad I did. I do the same now with Arydia, not without getting all in again on CoD.
I was pledged for CoD for a good portion of the campaign. Personally, I just don't really get into those kinds of campaigns that unlock goals and announce expansions over and over. I like to pledge for my game and wait for it to come out, not check back every day for something new. I agree that Arydia isn't proven yet, but the history of the designers is very strong which is enough for me.
I didn't wait for it for years as I just discovered it a few months ago, but I've read an watched everything I could find about it and jumped right in when it launched (managed to get backer #6) ;)
I backed this game. Unlike Primal, I feel like I'm getting my moneys worth out of the entry point. I love how ambitious this game is, I really really hope they pull it off and it's amazing.
You know isofarian guard which is also an open world adventure game was only 80 bucks. Yes this game has pre painted minis and lots of cool cardboard but content to price wise I feel like isofarian guard is the winner. Im getting both but I feel like the days of 100 dollar core pledge will be behind us soon with rising costs and companies upping the production value.
Exactly. That was my opinion too. I do not understand why Alex saw that you do not back isofarian guard at a price point that is really cheap compared to other games. I think it was really unfair. He compared the with Trudvang. When I see Trudvang at the moment it is a mess and isofarian guard is so good in the development. The designer are so enthusiastic and the game gets better every month with every update.
Yeah, that is one of the thing what hold me back too. They don't feel similar, the emphasis is on different things, especially when it comes to narrative (for me Isofarian Guard is most similar to Dragon Age, especially the gathering, looting, buying, selling, crafting system with customization and the skill tree for the characters, plus the base building) but really one of that is 79 usd, the other is 165 usd, I just can't justify to pay double as much then I did for Isofarian Guard when both seems similarly awesome quality.
Actually the price point is accurate based on it having pre-painted minis. If we look a Tanarus Adventures it also had options for pre-painted mini's. You had non-painted pledge at 168$, and the same pledge but painted at 242$. That's 74$ to get your pledge painted. I also want to throw in that this pledge didn't have everything painted just bosses in the pledge. So assuming your correct if this game is worth 80$, and your actually paying 160$, its really the painting that's doubling the price. Throwing in that its all the characters and monsters painted for 80$, while Tanarus Adventures only had bosses painted for 74$, its actually a good deal.
Thanks for your insight. Dove deep into all the content and discussion available on Arydia late last night and decided to back it. As somebody commented, the very nature (judged by the content available) of the game does seem fairly unique by giving you a near-RPG open world experience in a box. What sort of made me more configent on my decision to back was hinting towards possible (likely?) Stretch Goals as soon as the 720k$ goal has been reached. Can't wait :)
@@FarOffGames couldn't pass on by! Such strong vibes from them younger years and the time spent by the old PC and classic games like Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment, Ultima series. And all the likes from when a young me got bit by the RPG bug :D
Awesome! As always, thank you so much for your content! Can't wait to get my hands on it! It's funny, I just saw the game designer Cody in the Kickstarter comment section for another game I'm excited about, Bantam West, and he was saying the same how excited he was for it too! If any of you haven't seen it yet give it a look. You definitely don't want to miss out on it. Thanks again!
I am going to be a backer on this one after watching the preview vids and Corey's livestream the other day. considering the quality of the components I think the price is perfect for my budget. great video as always Alex. hopefully we see a playthrough from you and Quack sometime
I'll echo Stephen and hope you guys get a chance to show this game off. Already backing it, I think it will fit nicely with the family and love the adventure/story flow to it. :)
Good video! Hope it's good and makes its many backers happy. But not for me... I dropped out immediately after seeing that price tag and noting how much cost must be wrapped in the prepainted minis. Shame they didn't make those optional!
Pronouncing the x: put the tip of your tongue behind your bottom two front teeth, and move the middle of your tongue to the roof of your mouth, then try to make an 'sh' sound.
I think its admirable, this is the closest to a pick up and play rpg world in a box yet. Also the game plays much more like an rpg such as D&D then something like gloomhaven does. I am on the fence but tilting towards backing. Cody seems to be a passionate good person and I want to support this project.
we talking 3.80 ish a mini with 5 of them being rats and sculpts that look like you left heroquest out of the sun too long... all for a 20% discount when day 1 US retail is 20% minimum discount? do I need to say nah here? I mean I'm going to play it, I'm just not going to keep my money locked up for two years at 0% return.
Really good stuff here, I'll probably back it. XIA was SOOO good, these guys know how to design a great game. Your pros and cons we're insightful and spot on. The fact that these minitures are pre painted add a tremendous value to this game and I'm sure is expressed in the cost. To me the value is there. Thanks.
Thank you for this video, I actually asked you if you'd be covering it yesterday and you were very quick to respond, which I highly appreciate. This video was exactly what I needed to realize this game wasn't for me. This seems about as close to an RPG video game as you can get in board game form. But with all that's going on, and for the price tag, I think I'd much rather play an actual video game. The combat just seems a bit overwhelming and I can see this completely devouring my game table lol. They can keep my dollar though, my name in the box is still cool. Thanks Alex!
i backed Arydia for a dollar, same as Adventure Tactics. I appretiate and respect the effort, but it just reminds me of Zelda/DragonQuest/Breath of Fire etc., which just works better on a TV screen.
My game group tends to snap up the latest dungeon crawl, while I hesitate over committing to yet another multi-session epic. Thanks for comparing Arydia to Eclipse Second Dawn (another favorite). You've perfectly explained why I see the value, besides just being a Xia fan. The presentation of the game systems is going to make it special. Plus, I love the idea of searching through a box of player headz.
Thank you Alex. I wanted to check if I should get this. I’m backing bantam west right now, because I want to play it not for the value. So far I like the preprinted enemy minis.
Man, I REALLY want this, but that entry price! Without shipping or tax. And I know I've paid more, but the more games I have like this, the harder it is to back more at this price. Maybe I should just get XIA instead.
Man, I instantly went all-in! Cody is the best! I always have a blast playing Xia. I think the price is very reasonable since you are getting prepainted minis. Also the goal of 700K sounds reasonable too; This is a small studio man, it's just Cody himself working on this full time and a few people part time! You can't compare it with CMon and other big studios there. I'm sure it's going to be a great game! Cody is a great designer man!
I think it's tough to get the idea of Arydia across to gamers. It's expensive for sure, but it's not simply a board game, but rather a TTRPG in a box without the need for a DM. If you compare that to some of the D&D adventure kits that have come out for similar prices (with pre painted minis), then I think it's an easier pill to swallow. You still need to be sure that a TTRPG is what your gaming group is looking for. A lot of people are comparing this to other miniature heavy projects in the past or currently funding and that's not a fair comparison. Arydia only has 50 miniatures, for one.
In the EU for it to be worth buying now, it has to cost more than 200€ (240$) in retail. It's a huge commitment that I am not sure if I will take because of the money, the complexity and fiddliness that it seems to have even with some mitigations done.
I used to work with a Chinese lady called Xia and she pronounced it how Alex did. I asked her once what it meant and why it might be the name of a space exploration game and she said it could mean a beautiful skyscape, such as a sunset or nebula. No idea if that’s what Cody was getting at! Thanks for the vid, I’ll probably be giving this one a miss, but looks very interesting
That's a tough one, I think it mainly comes down to what you prefer. I think the combat in gloomhaven is more tactical while the story is cracked being non-existent. Whereas here, the story is much more immersive.
@@BoardGameCo I'm surprised to hear that Gloomhaven is weak on the story. I always imagined it to be a story rich legacy adventure. I'm more inclined to go after Arydia now.
Great vid/info, much thanks. I don't really back games, but recently decided to back ISS Vanguard because it looks to play amazing, and now, I decided to back Arydia because the mechanics and gameplay also looks to be amazing. My only somewhat critical comment from what I've seen (and yes, I realize this is at prototype level), is of the artwork and design. Aside from the card artwork which looks really good, much of the landscape maps looks garish and just not realistically illustrated enough, and all of the player boards have so much white space, it's just not all that pleasing to the eye. I hope they create artwork and design for these elements a little better.
Would love to see "A Rydia" from Final Fantasy 4 nod in this! Thumbs up if you would love to see our green haired summoner (or someone like her to avoid copyright issues) in this!
Nice to see they have some stretch goals coming. Seems they did not want to do any SG’s until the project funded. This will be my only August backing. (Yes, I don’t need another campaign game - by the time this arrives I will have so many on the shelf).
They mentioned there will actually be stretch goals too, making the value even better 😏 Could be worth mentioning here or elsewhere or another video you do.
I wish more games included at least an option for pre-painted miniatures. It is THE barrier to entry for these types of games to me. I suspect it is mainly an issue of price, but if this publisher can consistently include them, why not others? I have ZERO interest in painting miniatures, and ALL miniatures games look ridiculous to me unpainted.
Prepainted miniatures are very expensive... and it takes a large print run to get the cost down to very expensive. Few backers are interested in paying a lot more for prepainted miniatures so it's not worth it for creators to offer the option.
@@mandorrandom117 So many miniatures games have gigantic print runs and generate so much funding, it’s hard to believe that these games couldn’t be produced with pre-painted minis. Marvel United for instance, or any given Awaken Realms game. It’s just silly for people to invest so much additional labor and materials to have minis that end up looking either exactly as they would pre-painted or worse. It’s fine for the people who enjoy it, but I don’t need a hobby for my hobby, and I’m sure the same money would still be there for these campaigns with fully-realized components.
@@wrightknight5508 For Marvel United, a great comparison is the first Arcadia Quest Kickstarter from 2014. Look at the cost of the prepainted miniatures option and how few people chose to get it. CMON was stuck with Warpaint sets in their warehouse, despite trying to sell it at conventions every year, until they closed their warehouse last year. Sundrop has is the replacement option. Much more economical and much more popular with backers.
@@mandorrandom117 At least the Arcadia Quest campaign tried, back in 2014. If they ended-up producing more than they anticipated demand for, perhaps that is something to learn from and adapt to instead of just eliminating. Set a minimum number of backers for the painted option, raise the funding goal for the campaign to compensate for additional expense (instead of the b.s. funding goals frequently used), or god forbid, maybe actually let a campaign not fund and try again? These are things that crowdfunding is for, instead of a massive pre-order system. And I appreciate that sundrop is at least offered as an option by AR, I just believe there are still other avenues available to explore, especially with the continued growth of the hobby. Arydia is an example.
Thanks for the video Alex. I'm intrigued whether you'll back it yourself. For me it's a no, but that's simply for it being a genre I'm not at all into. I've looked into it simply because I like Xia and was intrigued about what they'd deliver with this. My gut feel is it's potentially an even grander experience than Xia and I'd also expect the same high standards of support / engagement from Cody and Ira et al that they've given on Xia. So not for me, but for those that like fantasy adventure with RPG elements in a boardgame, it would be a game well worth serious consideration (albeit yes, it's a eye-popping base pledge amount).
@@BoardGameCo Yeah, that's the only thing holding me back from backing at the moment. Something like this I'd want a regular group to enjoy the RPG aspects.
I'm interested, the previews videos were nice but I need actual gameplay to have a feel for the flow. Especially because of VAT it is quite pricey once again.
@undeadViking and @onestopcoopshop are next up for gameplay! There are only two copies of the prototypes so everyone will be passing them along to someone else!
Looks really cool but it would be nicer had the minis been a bit more detailed at this price point with better defined features as they look a bit generic and hard to tell male from female characters. It is expensive but it's also kind of sad that it doesn't trigger that much of a shock given how common these high price points are nowadays for many other epic dungeon crawlers like Middara, Descent, etc.
I am new to all this kickstarter business. Do stretch goals not marked as kickstarter exclusive or expansions go into the base game once it reaches retail?
I think this game is best compared to everyhing in the core game experiences such as frosthaven and eclipse (good comparison by the way) in that it seems like a high base cost but the core genuinely is all you need. I think the price is pretty reasonable given the component quality : 50+ prepainted minis, over 20 multi layered boards, 300 map tiles. The expansion provides a very nominal amount of content and seems like a way finanically support a small but dedicated developer rather than necessary purchase. With subsidised shipping it seems pretty reasonable to me
I am extremely interested in this game. However, I knew I had Arydia and Chronicles of Drunagor and could only afford to back one. I went through them both in details and decided Chronicles of Drunagor was more for me, some because it does have the great reviews. And really, I think either are going to be hard to find besides on crowdfunding so this is really the chance to get it.
I like Arydia but so tired of the character class tropes (Elf ranger, dwarf brawler, halfling rogue)I realize they are tried and true and familiar to everyone but I wish they switched up a bit. That’s why I was so attracted to Stormsunder. I feel like Stormsunder puts a good spin on the typical trope classes. Other than that, I do like what the game offers.
In terms of aftermarket value, Arydia is going to sell for a ton, based on how many painted minis you're getting alone. Add into that the hype & pedigree of the Xia designers, I can see this game selling for $250-$300 CAD.
Chronicles....but that's because I'll take a game I know I like over a game I hope I like. If I hadn't played Drunagor....prob Ardia. Both games look amazing, but Arydia seems more unique. I have plenty of Dungeon Crawlers in my collection.
To be fair, I said I might still have gotten it wrong. As far as where I got it from, I remember having it pronounced that way a few times being corrected by others.
@@BoardGameCo pronunciation mistakes happen but when you preface it with "technically correct" it should be correct 😆. You can watch the latest live streams with Cody Miller to get the correct pronunciations th-cam.com/channels/D8r2Nyy8qetDGNeEGyv8CA.html
@@tawink If you have a time stamp let me know, can't hunt through hours of video to find it :) And looks like I used the technically correct Chinese pronounciation....which may not be the name of the game :)
My advice: Go back the Master-All-In pledge for Chronicles of Drunagor. Then come back and back this game. See??? $169 is dirt cheap by comparison! You're welcome, game buyer.
Hi Alex!I live in Eu so i have to pay Vat too.. Do you think the game will worth the price or should i wait for 2nd printing or retail?? If they translate it in italian during 2nd printing it would be huge for me, even if i think they will make a pack available for us! My "problem" is that shipping are veru expensive for europe and then i have a 19-22% tax to pay (vat are calculated on pledge PLUS shipping). Thank you for your time! P. S are u loving this game as much as i am?
@@BoardGameCo I played it once one of my friend's friends had backed it. Mechanically I enjoyed. Just Firefly screamed louder at me and I like the crew and characters in it and I guess that is why I have every expansion and addon to Firefly.
This game should be an instant back for me, however their is something telling me not to back it, and mainly Its because the game looks like its doing too much. It will probably be a really good game, but their is a certain time when you just got to go with your instinct and say no.
Having to pay VAT in addition to the base price of the pledge is a dealbreaker to me. Looks great but adding 20% to the price plus potential customs because they are shipping from the UK is a big No.
I'd love to know what all they included in that $720,000 funding goal. Did they include their salaries and sunk costs for development? I find it hard to believe that actual manufacturing costs are that high. I'm not knocking them at all regardless, I'm just curious.
@@dextersamson8286 I believe it, and I'm not knocking the designer or the game, I'm just curious about the $720,000 goal. I just have trouble believing it's all manufacturing costs. If they're including salaries and sunk costs, that's fine, I'm just curious. If the game ACTUALLY costed $720,000 to make, they would be insane to do it. That's just way too much in manufacturing costs. But I'm sure there's lots of other costs built in there
@@TrueflightsI'm actually fairly familiar with manufacturing costs, we are developing our first project as we speak. Each mold can indeed cost up to $10k, but each mold can also hold around six miniatures, probably more for small minis like this game seems to have. So that would be around $60k for molds, roughly. Obviously they have interchangeable heads and are pre-painted, so I have no idea how much that inflates the cost because we didn't explore those options. Again, I'm not knocking the creator or the game, I'm just curious what all was included in that funding goal. Currently this game is over $600k. There's are many, many games that have tons of miniatures and components that never hit $600k in their entire campaign and still got made. Again, I'm not criticizing the game or the company at all, I'm just curious from a fellow developer angle what all they put into that goal. I'm sure the shipping subsidy they're offering is part of it
So how can we compare this to other epic adventures that have lower piece points. I would say massive darkness 2 is the best value and then bardsung. But I’m this game we are paying for those prepainted minis. I am hoping to see a playthrough.
I would say a game like Bardsung is more of a dungeon crawler with nearly 99% combat encounters. It looks like Arydia is D&D in a box and will have more than simple enemy encounters. There will be exploring, roleplaying, etc. as well. We should compare it to the D&D adventure kits that average around $150.
Not really in relation to this video but just surprised at the bitterness that seems to be going round chats between content creators at the moment. And saw a comment from you say if king of average hates it you've made it.... The board game community is small enough as it is and of course not everyone will get along but just surprised at that comment from you Alex. Here's hoping you can all put this behind you and get along.
Is it that surprising though? I've spent the past 2 years saying nothing but nice things about him, despite his general attacking of everyone and everything in the industry, and then despite that, despite me trying to actively convince my audience he's not that bad....he goes ahead and puts out a video trying to call me out. As well as other good people in this industry while intentionally showing a worse picture. I will try to be nice to a lot of people, but don't treat me like a target and expect me to treat you as a friend. Keep in mind, this is after knowing full well that in his discord he's said plenty of things about me behind my back....but I was willing to ignore it as long as it was done "in private". Edit: adding an edit to say that I genuinely like his content, and I wish him all the best, but you can't take potshots at every single person in the industry and then be surprised when you have a certain reputation.
@@BoardGameCo maybe attacking is the word that could be used but I like to think of it as his own individual view on a company or a game itself. After all content creators and us as players/backers of games all have our own viewpoints and opinions which is the same in any hobby. I like to think of it as differences of opinion. Perhaps this disclaimer conversation has gotten way out of control between creators. I personally would like to see something mentioned if a creator has any affiliation with a company or person related to the game. But that's just me..just 1 person...ultimately its down to your guys n gals to decide what you want to do. No one has to watch anyones content..we choose to do it and its up to us to make the decision of who we enjoy following...watching...believing etc. I really hope you all shake hands and move on from this.
Aside from that and In relation to Arydia more....I loved update number 1. The look of joy from the creators. That is what I love seeing about a great campaign. I hope they make a million plus !
I like the idea but it being co op is a rough sell to my group, it being a campaign is a hard sell, it being sooo expensive is rough and the fact that xia is one of my most hated games makes it untrustworthy to me as well. I love rpgs but I just can't justify this for those reasons. I hope it's good though!
I'm tempted, but after thinking about all the stuff that will hit me next year I will give this one a pass despite that I love this genre.....maybe I will risk a dollar
Easy... nope. Overpriced, factory painted minis with un-necessary exchangable heads (not really needed), with a really average art (not as bad as D3scent). The only redeeming quality is the combat and perhaps the dialogue and RP if you are into it. They should relaunch it with a cheap / deluxe edition. A Pass in my books especially with VAT in Europe... its DOA.
Am I the only one guy thinking Far off game can decide how to pronounce a Name he create for a game 😇. Like any invention... the creator may choose how to write and pronounce ?
It will cost 256$ including tax & shipping for Germany for the 190$ version... A big investment but it has everything that I'm looking in a boardgames. A bit disappointed about the target to be founded, even if is the correct cost is really to high I hope that other creator avoid to do it
@@Trueflights I fully disagree with your statement. Even rocks know that with 50k you don't produce a game but is the only way to try to take attention and be founded. I'm sorry but a lot of project recently fail because high target... Project that took the money and then fail? Even Ouya, a multi million console based on Android, fail miserable giving to user a shitty device with a shitty controller. If a small indie Company, not CMON or awaken realms, will show the real cost there will be 2 game founded every month on KS.
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Sorry for the screen constantly pausing in the first few minutes! Not sure what happened there, it gets better after the first few minutes.
I just spent a couple minutes trying to figure out what was messing with my Internet connection! Although I did find it odd that the audio and the rest of the video was fine.
With 250 $ after shipping and VAT to europe I'm out unfortunally. Setting does not really draw me in, but pre-painted is cool and there a a lot of innovative ideas. I hope they do well, looks like a great addition to the genre no matter if I get it or not.
Normally I really enjoy your “should you back it” videos but I found this one even more insightful than usual. I really appreciated the discussion on the unique nature of the game and how that makes it tougher to compare to typical ones, as well as your thoughts on the difference between the preview vids and what those people are saying on social media. Keep up the amazing work and thanks!
That was a really good review/summary of this ks.
I like that they have a realistic funding goal. Feels real, truthful and therefore more trustworthy.
Karl, yep, absolutely. I'm happy to see it will fund at that goal.
Your videos are easily becoming my favorite. I look forward to watching them when they pop up
Great video Alex! Thank you! 🙏🏻
Congrats on how well it's doing!
I was going back and forth between this and Drunagor and have decided on Arydia.
While Drunagor looks great and has good reviews, the fact that the campaign is broken up into so many pieces and expansions and add-ons turned me off. Arydia (so far) seems to have a nice, easy campaign with just a few pledge levels. It makes the agonizing over what add-on's to get (without spending almost $600 USD) a non-factor which I really appreciate.
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Ill admit that the shear amount of stuff for Drunagor caused me to back out. It was a sort of reverse FOMO. I knew I would never see it all so I decided to avoid it.
I backed both all in, problem solved.
@@radip He probably was too shy to go EZ PAY. I took a risk back then with CoD 1.0 and I am glad I did. I do the same now with Arydia, not without getting all in again on CoD.
I was pledged for CoD for a good portion of the campaign. Personally, I just don't really get into those kinds of campaigns that unlock goals and announce expansions over and over. I like to pledge for my game and wait for it to come out, not check back every day for something new.
I agree that Arydia isn't proven yet, but the history of the designers is very strong which is enough for me.
Been waiting on this one for years. ALL-IN with no hesitation (Backer 36 at launch).
Nice :)
I didn't wait for it for years as I just discovered it a few months ago, but I've read an watched everything I could find about it and jumped right in when it launched (managed to get backer #6) ;)
@@Felizwerg You ninja'ed me. I was watching Cody's live stream on Twitch and may have been distracted. :-)
I backed this game. Unlike Primal, I feel like I'm getting my moneys worth out of the entry point. I love how ambitious this game is, I really really hope they pull it off and it's amazing.
You know isofarian guard which is also an open world adventure game was only 80 bucks. Yes this game has pre painted minis and lots of cool cardboard but content to price wise I feel like isofarian guard is the winner. Im getting both but I feel like the days of 100 dollar core pledge will be behind us soon with rising costs and companies upping the production value.
Exactly. That was my opinion too. I do not understand why Alex saw that you do not back isofarian guard at a price point that is really cheap compared to other games. I think it was really unfair. He compared the with Trudvang. When I see Trudvang at the moment it is a mess and isofarian guard is so good in the development. The designer are so enthusiastic and the game gets better every month with every update.
I've played both, they don't feel the same at all.
Yeah, that is one of the thing what hold me back too. They don't feel similar, the emphasis is on different things, especially when it comes to narrative (for me Isofarian Guard is most similar to Dragon Age, especially the gathering, looting, buying, selling, crafting system with customization and the skill tree for the characters, plus the base building) but really one of that is 79 usd, the other is 165 usd, I just can't justify to pay double as much then I did for Isofarian Guard when both seems similarly awesome quality.
Actually the price point is accurate based on it having pre-painted minis. If we look a Tanarus Adventures it also had options for pre-painted mini's. You had non-painted pledge at 168$, and the same pledge but painted at 242$. That's 74$ to get your pledge painted. I also want to throw in that this pledge didn't have everything painted just bosses in the pledge. So assuming your correct if this game is worth 80$, and your actually paying 160$, its really the painting that's doubling the price. Throwing in that its all the characters and monsters painted for 80$, while Tanarus Adventures only had bosses painted for 74$, its actually a good deal.
All in insta back. Cody makes AMAZING games.
Thanks for your insight. Dove deep into all the content and discussion available on Arydia late last night and decided to back it. As somebody commented, the very nature (judged by the content available) of the game does seem fairly unique by giving you a near-RPG open world experience in a box.
What sort of made me more configent on my decision to back was hinting towards possible (likely?) Stretch Goals as soon as the 720k$ goal has been reached.
Can't wait :)
Glad to have you aboard!
@@FarOffGames couldn't pass on by! Such strong vibes from them younger years and the time spent by the old PC and classic games like Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment, Ultima series. And all the likes from when a young me got bit by the RPG bug :D
Awesome! As always, thank you so much for your content! Can't wait to get my hands on it! It's funny, I just saw the game designer Cody in the Kickstarter comment section for another game I'm excited about, Bantam West, and he was saying the same how excited he was for it too! If any of you haven't seen it yet give it a look. You definitely don't want to miss out on it. Thanks again!
I covered Bantam already :)
I am going to be a backer on this one after watching the preview vids and Corey's livestream the other day. considering the quality of the components I think the price is perfect for my budget. great video as always Alex. hopefully we see a playthrough from you and Quack sometime
Thanks for the support Stephen !
I'll echo Stephen and hope you guys get a chance to show this game off. Already backing it, I think it will fit nicely with the family and love the adventure/story flow to it. :)
You do a great job with these, Alex. Thank you.
Thanks Jason :)
Good video! Hope it's good and makes its many backers happy. But not for me... I dropped out immediately after seeing that price tag and noting how much cost must be wrapped in the prepainted minis. Shame they didn't make those optional!
Pronouncing the x: put the tip of your tongue behind your bottom two front teeth, and move the middle of your tongue to the roof of your mouth, then try to make an 'sh' sound.
Thanks!
I think its admirable, this is the closest to a pick up and play rpg world in a box yet. Also the game plays much more like an rpg such as D&D then something like gloomhaven does. I am on the fence but tilting towards backing. Cody seems to be a passionate good person and I want to support this project.
I totally agree. This is boardgame is the closest i have ever seen to replicating a pen and paper rpg.
Great video Alex, this is one I'm really excited about!
Your video coverage of this was great. Really enjoyed showing off the triple boards and rpg elements.
@@mylor1066 Thank you Karl I appreciate that. I'm liking a lot of what I'm seeing in this game. Can't wait for some playthroughs :)
we talking 3.80 ish a mini with 5 of them being rats and sculpts that look like you left heroquest out of the sun too long... all for a 20% discount when day 1 US retail is 20% minimum discount?
do I need to say nah here? I mean I'm going to play it, I'm just not going to keep my money locked up for two years at 0% return.
Really good stuff here, I'll probably back it. XIA was SOOO good, these guys know how to design a great game. Your pros and cons we're insightful and spot on. The fact that these minitures are pre painted add a tremendous value to this game and I'm sure is expressed in the cost. To me the value is there. Thanks.
Yep, Xia buys them a whole lot of goodwill.
Thank you for this video, I actually asked you if you'd be covering it yesterday and you were very quick to respond, which I highly appreciate. This video was exactly what I needed to realize this game wasn't for me. This seems about as close to an RPG video game as you can get in board game form. But with all that's going on, and for the price tag, I think I'd much rather play an actual video game. The combat just seems a bit overwhelming and I can see this completely devouring my game table lol. They can keep my dollar though, my name in the box is still cool. Thanks Alex!
Been super hyped for this video!
The game looks cool...a lot, but cool.
i backed Arydia for a dollar, same as Adventure Tactics.
I appretiate and respect the effort, but it just reminds me of Zelda/DragonQuest/Breath of Fire etc., which just works better on a TV screen.
That's where I fall with this genre. Much easier and exciting behind a controller. Trying to enjoy it on a table seems like a chore and sluggish.
If the "dwarf" character didnt charge extra for having a "Short" body that isnt even a dwarf body but rather a shrunken human, then maybe.
My game group tends to snap up the latest dungeon crawl, while I hesitate over committing to yet another multi-session epic. Thanks for comparing Arydia to Eclipse Second Dawn (another favorite). You've perfectly explained why I see the value, besides just being a Xia fan. The presentation of the game systems is going to make it special. Plus, I love the idea of searching through a box of player headz.
Thank you Alex.
I wanted to check if I should get this.
I’m backing bantam west right now, because I want to play it not for the value.
So far I like the preprinted enemy minis.
Man, I REALLY want this, but that entry price! Without shipping or tax. And I know I've paid more, but the more games I have like this, the harder it is to back more at this price. Maybe I should just get XIA instead.
Ya, not unreasonable at all.
Man, I instantly went all-in! Cody is the best! I always have a blast playing Xia. I think the price is very reasonable since you are getting prepainted minis. Also the goal of 700K sounds reasonable too; This is a small studio man, it's just Cody himself working on this full time and a few people part time! You can't compare it with CMon and other big studios there. I'm sure it's going to be a great game! Cody is a great designer man!
I think it's tough to get the idea of Arydia across to gamers. It's expensive for sure, but it's not simply a board game, but rather a TTRPG in a box without the need for a DM. If you compare that to some of the D&D adventure kits that have come out for similar prices (with pre painted minis), then I think it's an easier pill to swallow. You still need to be sure that a TTRPG is what your gaming group is looking for.
A lot of people are comparing this to other miniature heavy projects in the past or currently funding and that's not a fair comparison. Arydia only has 50 miniatures, for one.
Yep, it's very cool but very different.
In the EU for it to be worth buying now, it has to cost more than 200€ (240$) in retail. It's a huge commitment that I am not sure if I will take because of the money, the complexity and fiddliness that it seems to have even with some mitigations done.
Ya that's a big deal, once Vat is added, retail might be the better choice.
In the Xia Kickstarter videos they pronounce it rhyming with papaya and messiah
Hello Alex, if you had to pick one between Arydia and Massive Darkness 2, who would won? Thanks. Ben
Arydia. I'm really looking forward to MD, but it's going to be more similar to other games I already own.
I used to work with a Chinese lady called Xia and she pronounced it how Alex did. I asked her once what it meant and why it might be the name of a space exploration game and she said it could mean a beautiful skyscape, such as a sunset or nebula. No idea if that’s what Cody was getting at! Thanks for the vid, I’ll probably be giving this one a miss, but looks very interesting
It means “summer” in Chinese. Also it’s a name of a Chinese dynasty。
I see your comparison to eclipse. And that’s a game that’s high on my want list. I am hoping for a new KS for that game.
I would love one, still wouldn't be as cheap :)
If I haven't played Gloomhaven yet, would you recommend playing Arydia, or should I play "king" Gloomhaven first?
That's a tough one, I think it mainly comes down to what you prefer. I think the combat in gloomhaven is more tactical while the story is cracked being non-existent. Whereas here, the story is much more immersive.
@@BoardGameCo I'm surprised to hear that Gloomhaven is weak on the story. I always imagined it to be a story rich legacy adventure. I'm more inclined to go after Arydia now.
What’s your ranking for Xia? Have you played with the expansions? Better with expansions?
Will get to it soon :)
Great vid/info, much thanks. I don't really back games, but recently decided to back ISS Vanguard because it looks to play amazing, and now, I decided to back Arydia because the mechanics and gameplay also looks to be amazing. My only somewhat critical comment from what I've seen (and yes, I realize this is at prototype level), is of the artwork and design. Aside from the card artwork which looks really good, much of the landscape maps looks garish and just not realistically illustrated enough, and all of the player boards have so much white space, it's just not all that pleasing to the eye. I hope they create artwork and design for these elements a little better.
Would love to see "A Rydia" from Final Fantasy 4 nod in this! Thumbs up if you would love to see our green haired summoner (or someone like her to avoid copyright issues) in this!
Nice to see they have some stretch goals coming. Seems they did not want to do any SG’s until the project funded. This will be my only August backing. (Yes, I don’t need another campaign game - by the time this arrives I will have so many on the shelf).
They mentioned there will actually be stretch goals too, making the value even better 😏
Could be worth mentioning here or elsewhere or another video you do.
I wish more games included at least an option for pre-painted miniatures. It is THE barrier to entry for these types of games to me. I suspect it is mainly an issue of price, but if this publisher can consistently include them, why not others? I have ZERO interest in painting miniatures, and ALL miniatures games look ridiculous to me unpainted.
Prepainted miniatures are very expensive... and it takes a large print run to get the cost down to very expensive. Few backers are interested in paying a lot more for prepainted miniatures so it's not worth it for creators to offer the option.
@@mandorrandom117 So many miniatures games have gigantic print runs and generate so much funding, it’s hard to believe that these games couldn’t be produced with pre-painted minis. Marvel United for instance, or any given Awaken Realms game. It’s just silly for people to invest so much additional labor and materials to have minis that end up looking either exactly as they would pre-painted or worse. It’s fine for the people who enjoy it, but I don’t need a hobby for my hobby, and I’m sure the same money would still be there for these campaigns with fully-realized components.
@@wrightknight5508 For Marvel United, a great comparison is the first Arcadia Quest Kickstarter from 2014. Look at the cost of the prepainted miniatures option and how few people chose to get it. CMON was stuck with Warpaint sets in their warehouse, despite trying to sell it at conventions every year, until they closed their warehouse last year.
Sundrop has is the replacement option. Much more economical and much more popular with backers.
@@mandorrandom117 At least the Arcadia Quest campaign tried, back in 2014. If they ended-up producing more than they anticipated demand for, perhaps that is something to learn from and adapt to instead of just eliminating. Set a minimum number of backers for the painted option, raise the funding goal for the campaign to compensate for additional expense (instead of the b.s. funding goals frequently used), or god forbid, maybe actually let a campaign not fund and try again? These are things that crowdfunding is for, instead of a massive pre-order system.
And I appreciate that sundrop is at least offered as an option by AR, I just believe there are still other avenues available to explore, especially with the continued growth of the hobby. Arydia is an example.
Thanks for the video Alex. I'm intrigued whether you'll back it yourself. For me it's a no, but that's simply for it being a genre I'm not at all into. I've looked into it simply because I like Xia and was intrigued about what they'd deliver with this.
My gut feel is it's potentially an even grander experience than Xia and I'd also expect the same high standards of support / engagement from Cody and Ira et al that they've given on Xia. So not for me, but for those that like fantasy adventure with RPG elements in a boardgame, it would be a game well worth serious consideration (albeit yes, it's a eye-popping base pledge amount).
Good question, I haven't yet decided. I'm very interested, but I'm concerned that the scope of it might make it harder to hit the table.
@@BoardGameCo Yeah, that's the only thing holding me back from backing at the moment. Something like this I'd want a regular group to enjoy the RPG aspects.
As always thanks for the great review.
Thanks :)
Can the Epic Hunt character be a playable hero or only an enemy ?
Not actually sure on that one.
Currently backing Bantam West, but I'm considering switching my pledge over to Arydia. Decisions... decisions...
I'm interested, the previews videos were nice but I need actual gameplay to have a feel for the flow. Especially because of VAT it is quite pricey once again.
@undeadViking and @onestopcoopshop are next up for gameplay! There are only two copies of the prototypes so everyone will be passing them along to someone else!
Arydia, The Witcher, or Sleeping Gods? Which is best?
Haven't played the last , for the other two I think Witcher will see more play but arydia may well be the better game.
@@BoardGameCo - Yeah, Arydia seems to be more my type of game.
Looks really cool but it would be nicer had the minis been a bit more detailed at this price point with better defined features as they look a bit generic and hard to tell male from female characters. It is expensive but it's also kind of sad that it doesn't trigger that much of a shock given how common these high price points are nowadays for many other epic dungeon crawlers like Middara, Descent, etc.
I really hope they make Xia available in the PM as well
They said they're going to try to but no guarantees.
@@BoardGameCo I say that like I have endless money to drop because, well, PM money is different than Kickstarter money
Man, why all the long campaign game is so interesting, I dont even have time or space to play/store them!
I am new to all this kickstarter business. Do stretch goals not marked as kickstarter exclusive or expansions go into the base game once it reaches retail?
It's case by case, in this game, the only thing exclusive is the optional but.
I think this game is best compared to everyhing in the core game experiences such as frosthaven and eclipse (good comparison by the way) in that it seems like a high base cost but the core genuinely is all you need. I think the price is pretty reasonable given the component quality : 50+ prepainted minis, over 20 multi layered boards, 300 map tiles. The expansion provides a very nominal amount of content and seems like a way finanically support a small but dedicated developer rather than necessary purchase. With subsidised shipping it seems pretty reasonable to me
I am extremely interested in this game. However, I knew I had Arydia and Chronicles of Drunagor and could only afford to back one. I went through them both in details and decided Chronicles of Drunagor was more for me, some because it does have the great reviews. And really, I think either are going to be hard to find besides on crowdfunding so this is really the chance to get it.
I like Arydia but so tired of the character class tropes (Elf ranger, dwarf brawler, halfling rogue)I realize they are tried and true and familiar to everyone but I wish they switched up a bit. That’s why I was so attracted to Stormsunder. I feel like Stormsunder puts a good spin on the typical trope classes. Other than that, I do like what the game offers.
In terms of aftermarket value, Arydia is going to sell for a ton, based on how many painted minis you're getting alone. Add into that the hype & pedigree of the Xia designers, I can see this game selling for $250-$300 CAD.
Alex if you were force to choose between chronicle of drunaor or this one... what would your heart go... usually your taste follow my taste 😅
Once I get/play the game
Chronicles....but that's because I'll take a game I know I like over a game I hope I like. If I hadn't played Drunagor....prob Ardia. Both games look amazing, but Arydia seems more unique. I have plenty of Dungeon Crawlers in my collection.
The designer always reads XIA as Zy-Uh. You can see him pronounce it in video at XIA KS page.
Thanks :)
How did you come up with that pronunciation for Xia? Even Cody Miller doesn't pronounce it like that.
To be fair, I said I might still have gotten it wrong. As far as where I got it from, I remember having it pronounced that way a few times being corrected by others.
@@BoardGameCo pronunciation mistakes happen but when you preface it with "technically correct" it should be correct 😆. You can watch the latest live streams with Cody Miller to get the correct pronunciations th-cam.com/channels/D8r2Nyy8qetDGNeEGyv8CA.html
@@tawink If you have a time stamp let me know, can't hunt through hours of video to find it :) And looks like I used the technically correct Chinese pronounciation....which may not be the name of the game :)
@@BoardGameCo th-cam.com/video/SJBhnlwgvY0/w-d-xo.html
I’ve never heard it pronounced it like “ja” and OMG, it’s like nails on a chalkboard for me when I hear it 🥴
I bit on this one. It just looked too cool. I also like the art being more traditional rpg instead of the new age blood and rot everywhere.
Ya, it's very unique in the way it's approaching it.
Did you get a review copy or read the rulebook?
Sadly no review copy currently.
My advice: Go back the Master-All-In pledge for Chronicles of Drunagor. Then come back and back this game. See??? $169 is dirt cheap by comparison! You're welcome, game buyer.
Uh huh :)
Hi Alex!I live in Eu so i have to pay Vat too.. Do you think the game will worth the price or should i wait for 2nd printing or retail??
If they translate it in italian during 2nd printing it would be huge for me, even if i think they will make a pack available for us!
My "problem" is that shipping are veru expensive for europe and then i have a 19-22% tax to pay (vat are calculated on pledge PLUS shipping).
Thank you for your time!
P. S are u loving this game as much as i am?
I love my firefly game.. though often interested in Xia
Have you played Xia yet?
@@BoardGameCo I played it once one of my friend's friends had backed it. Mechanically I enjoyed. Just Firefly screamed louder at me and I like the crew and characters in it and I guess that is why I have every expansion and addon to Firefly.
This game should be an instant back for me, however their is something telling me not to back it, and mainly Its because the game looks like its doing too much. It will probably be a really good game, but their is a certain time when you just got to go with your instinct and say no.
I totally get the feeling. I trust them based on the creator and the content creators who have loved it, but I otherwise share your hesitation.
My FOMO sense is tingling.
Not too late to join us 😆
The game is intriguing, but that's a lot of money! Are you going to do a review on this?
Cody said stretch goals are coming in an update.
The answer is yes everyone should back it :)
We are unbiased in saying we agree 😉
@@Trueflights unfortunately not
I am all in!!!
If it were 5+ players I'd probably get it ... thus I am more likely to look at Xia now.
Oh man, 5 I'd assume would be a slog :)
@@BoardGameCo could be, yet when your kids all are of the age that your family normally plays 5 players, it impacts the options of the games.
Having to pay VAT in addition to the base price of the pledge is a dealbreaker to me. Looks great but adding 20% to the price plus potential customs because they are shipping from the UK is a big No.
Already backed it 👍😁
Well then...
I'd love to know what all they included in that $720,000 funding goal. Did they include their salaries and sunk costs for development? I find it hard to believe that actual manufacturing costs are that high. I'm not knocking them at all regardless, I'm just curious.
Xia is one of the nicest games i own component wise. Even the game box is the nicest quality ive seen.
@@dextersamson8286 I believe it, and I'm not knocking the designer or the game, I'm just curious about the $720,000 goal. I just have trouble believing it's all manufacturing costs. If they're including salaries and sunk costs, that's fine, I'm just curious. If the game ACTUALLY costed $720,000 to make, they would be insane to do it. That's just way too much in manufacturing costs. But I'm sure there's lots of other costs built in there
@@TrueflightsI'm actually fairly familiar with manufacturing costs, we are developing our first project as we speak. Each mold can indeed cost up to $10k, but each mold can also hold around six miniatures, probably more for small minis like this game seems to have. So that would be around $60k for molds, roughly. Obviously they have interchangeable heads and are pre-painted, so I have no idea how much that inflates the cost because we didn't explore those options.
Again, I'm not knocking the creator or the game, I'm just curious what all was included in that funding goal. Currently this game is over $600k. There's are many, many games that have tons of miniatures and components that never hit $600k in their entire campaign and still got made.
Again, I'm not criticizing the game or the company at all, I'm just curious from a fellow developer angle what all they put into that goal. I'm sure the shipping subsidy they're offering is part of it
Interesting, curious too (still all in and supporting Cody and his damily and friends for this work on a project they love
So how can we compare this to other epic adventures that have lower piece points.
I would say massive darkness 2 is the best value and then bardsung.
But I’m this game we are paying for those prepainted minis.
I am hoping to see a playthrough.
I would say a game like Bardsung is more of a dungeon crawler with nearly 99% combat encounters. It looks like Arydia is D&D in a box and will have more than simple enemy encounters. There will be exploring, roleplaying, etc. as well. We should compare it to the D&D adventure kits that average around $150.
Looks interesting, but I just backed Drunagor.
Not a bad choice.
Nice overview
Not really in relation to this video but just surprised at the bitterness that seems to be going round chats between content creators at the moment. And saw a comment from you say if king of average hates it you've made it....
The board game community is small enough as it is and of course not everyone will get along but just surprised at that comment from you Alex.
Here's hoping you can all put this behind you and get along.
Is it that surprising though? I've spent the past 2 years saying nothing but nice things about him, despite his general attacking of everyone and everything in the industry, and then despite that, despite me trying to actively convince my audience he's not that bad....he goes ahead and puts out a video trying to call me out. As well as other good people in this industry while intentionally showing a worse picture. I will try to be nice to a lot of people, but don't treat me like a target and expect me to treat you as a friend.
Keep in mind, this is after knowing full well that in his discord he's said plenty of things about me behind my back....but I was willing to ignore it as long as it was done "in private".
Edit: adding an edit to say that I genuinely like his content, and I wish him all the best, but you can't take potshots at every single person in the industry and then be surprised when you have a certain reputation.
@@BoardGameCo maybe attacking is the word that could be used but I like to think of it as his own individual view on a company or a game itself. After all content creators and us as players/backers of games all have our own viewpoints and opinions which is the same in any hobby.
I like to think of it as differences of opinion. Perhaps this disclaimer conversation has gotten way out of control between creators. I personally would like to see something mentioned if a creator has any affiliation with a company or person related to the game. But that's just me..just 1 person...ultimately its down to your guys n gals to decide what you want to do.
No one has to watch anyones content..we choose to do it and its up to us to make the decision of who we enjoy following...watching...believing etc. I really hope you all shake hands and move on from this.
Aside from that and In relation to Arydia more....I loved update number 1. The look of joy from the creators. That is what I love seeing about a great campaign. I hope they make a million plus !
How much is supply chain issues pushing the price for items like this?
I like the idea but it being co op is a rough sell to my group, it being a campaign is a hard sell, it being sooo expensive is rough and the fact that xia is one of my most hated games makes it untrustworthy to me as well. I love rpgs but I just can't justify this for those reasons. I hope it's good though!
Rubbish - Firefly did Firefly the best, Xia did Elite (the old 80s computer game) best ;-p
Lol fair :)
Why do some games have to be that expensive... a good game for a friend to buy i guess. XD
Well if you have a dedicated game group, you can group together and all chip in for a pledge.
Yep, it's the trend nowadays.
I’ve always pronounced Xia as “Zie-Ah”, is it really pronounced “Shah”?
Don't trust me on this...
We pronounce it Zzz-eye-uh :) but however you want is fine!
@@FarOffGames Thanks!
the combat system just ain't for me, : c
Reasonable :) I actually enjoy it so far.
I'm tempted, but after thinking about all the stuff that will hit me next year I will give this one a pass despite that I love this genre.....maybe I will risk a dollar
I threw in a dollar, but reading through that campaign page, I couldn't stop thinking, "man just go play DnD"
Easy... nope. Overpriced, factory painted minis with un-necessary exchangable heads (not really needed), with a really average art (not as bad as D3scent). The only redeeming quality is the combat and perhaps the dialogue and RP if you are into it.
They should relaunch it with a cheap / deluxe edition.
A Pass in my books especially with VAT in Europe... its DOA.
Xia = pronounced ‘Zia’
And this game is pronounced A-rid-ee-uh, as pronounced by Cody in the KS video. Zy-uh is pronounced in the Xia KS video
Am I the only one guy thinking Far off game can decide how to pronounce a Name he create for a game 😇. Like any invention... the creator may choose how to write and pronounce ?
@@fredericcourcy1915 creator’s purgative 😁
It's pronounced like "z-ha"... Chinese hanyu pinyin.
40+ hours is not giant or good content/price for me - specially for EU backers. 200e for such game is steal.
It will cost 256$ including tax & shipping for Germany for the 190$ version... A big investment but it has everything that I'm looking in a boardgames. A bit disappointed about the target to be founded, even if is the correct cost is really to high I hope that other creator avoid to do it
@@Trueflights I fully disagree with your statement. Even rocks know that with 50k you don't produce a game but is the only way to try to take attention and be founded. I'm sorry but a lot of project recently fail because high target... Project that took the money and then fail? Even Ouya, a multi million console based on Android, fail miserable giving to user a shitty device with a shitty controller.
If a small indie Company, not CMON or awaken realms, will show the real cost there will be 2 game founded every month on KS.
Slow down... very hard to follow.
3:09 is a reason to unsubscribe. I'll forgive you this time for pronouncing gif wrong. :P
Stick around, I'll do it again :D
Hard pass what a joke
In what sense? Price?
Seems that down at its core it is just another Move-Kill-Move-Kill, hex grid game. Man, this is pretty outdated.