I want to protect Sonnia so she can begin a redemption arc! Die Seamus Die! Put Red Chapel into Molly with Archie, Phillip and the Nanny, and other long time Molly friends (crooligans) Put the rest of the Forgotten and other odds and ends into other key words. Romance arc with Emeline and Molly!
Von schill is both the least and most likely master to die which is so weird so my actual choice is honestly Lucius. I hope that Anya Lycaryen becomes a serious antagonist so I hope that she doesn’t get killed off(I set my expectations reasonable sue me.)
im also banned from entering most competitions in the uk and usa for malifaux, im a ban on sight, i cant enter any comeptitions, the staff ansd owner of the company hate, me and im under constant restriction to post on facebook, im despised by all so any crew i like could vanish
Thanks for being one of the few Malifaux channels on TH-cam, there isn't a ton of content on here for the game so I appreciate the work you put in to help scratch my Malifaux itch! 🔥
The Hungering Darkness possesses and devours Nekima's soul (per Euripides' vison). In Nekima's absence Lillith is freed from Nythera (possibly by Zoraida and Levi completing their vision of saving Malifaux and dying in the process). Lillith then reclaims her throne. Fortune escapes imprisonment from Pandora and Woe, incidentally, finding Jakob Lynch's abandoned soulless husk and occupies it.
Seamus fills an important niche as an irredeemable villain. He's over the top and fun to hate. Not every character needs to be shades of gray. He's basically just The Joker if he stole the Mad Hatter's clothes.
Agreed. I didn't wanna do into this in the video cuz it was already long, but I think it's okay to have purely bad guys, and even with some of the problematic elements of his character. I think the issue is that he was also played for comic relief, and I don't think it's a great look to have your rapey character also be funny. If you're gonna deal with a topic like that, it needs to be handled carefully. I think that's why people genuinely don't like Seamus but McMourning is fine.
I never get why people assume he's doing sex acts rather than that his serial killer targets follow a trend. To my knowledge wyrd never says as such and the only loose mention of sex is Marcus and myranda calling each other mates
True, but narratively he’d be one of the easier ones to fit since he’s basically carrying around Gorgon and I’d assume another Tyrant War has to be coming soon
@@IckypumpkinThere are some specific references to what he "does with" Molly, graphic graffiti of it...though one could choose to believe it Isn't that it's still heavily implied.
Another commenter mentioned this, but in our group we have been talking about how Wyrd should do a rotation to DMH, take out one or two masters, per faction, every gaining grounds, this would help with how much is now in the game, this could give them time to tweak masters and rules, and still put out models and masters to grow the game, then keep the rotation going year after year. That way if your favorite master is removed, you at least know they will be back in a year and can get your reps in on something else for awhile. Additionally, for casual play, you can at least use their rules from the time before they were put in DMH, so at least they would also be somewhat current as far as the power curve goes. Sadly I agree, even though Seamus got me into the game, I think his time has come, and Emiline would be really cool replacement. 🔥
Yeah that's a bit more like how I think they envisioned it at the beginning, or at least the impression I and many others got for what their vision was. I hope they do something like that, it'll be hard for them to plan but the game may need it
@@DefectiveDice Something like this would cause me to quit playing - I did not spend all this money, time, and effort getting them built, painted and ready to be told I can't use them for a year, and I bet many players feel the same.
I think DMH as a lore tool is quite interesting. As much as it sucks to have your keyword removed, I think some character’s stories can be wrapped up. Some characters that have been active since 1e should temporarily (maybe permanently, like Seamus) DMH to let new faces do their thing 🔥
Well, let’s be honest, it wouldn’t be the first, or really even the second time that Guild embraced Necromancy tacitly or otherwise. If Lady J goes DMH, maybe Hoffman sees his chance now that she’s gone
I would love to see Hoffman stomping around with a Desolation and semi-resurrected Ryle. Maybe Von Schtook could get a hold of Ryle's body somehow and start experimenting?
I'm new and not up-to-date on lore (I've only started Malifaux Burns), but I think there are opportunities to make new factions from either all of the masters that were deeply affected by the emergence of the Burning Man (e.g. Misaki, Maxine) or the masters that are Tyrants (e.g. Shen Long, Rasputina).
I can see them changing directions with a few of the masters rather than killing them. I can see Lucius losing most of the guild stuff and becoming entirely Mimic focused. Lady J going off the deep end and returning to her necromatic roots would be interesting. And Jakob is fine. Huggy will possess Nekima and he will get possessed by half of Fortune. With his luck, it'll be the bad luck portion (that could be fun mechanics). I could see Yan Lo getting lost in the world between worlds for a while. It sucks because I've always liked him, but man, Von Scholl is knocking on Heaven's door at this point. Seamus coupd get torn apart by his belles at the order of Molly. Somehow she gets them to break their bond with him, just as she is starting too. Nekima is screwed. So is Levi. Zoriada can't be far off either.
I really don’t see them doing Dead Man Hands since I feel that Wyrd has done a good job balancing the game and even balancing it more and more…. Like with the Somer’s new card set and the things they did with the keyword. But I would like Lilith to come back and Nekima runs to her Uncle and stands be his side since she doesn’t seem to have the mental aptitude to actually lead the Nephilim to the promise land like Lilith would. And I think Returned could use a good beater like Nekima. Now Lucius is my first and will always be my favorite master of all of Malifaux. But I have always thought the same thing as you… but I thought that his cover would be blown and all of the guild would capture him and basically reveal his face and then execute him with Dashel’s executioners.. and more importantly the new Female Alt Executioner who would be named in the story and be a special Executioner. I know I sounds odd to destroy my favorite master, but Lucius has been doing a lot of shady stuff and wonder if he would ever get caught and also reveal his true identity as a final Easter egg and Dun Dun Dun… Finale Story of the best master of malifaux. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
It's wild hearing about how "bloated" the game has gotten with all the masters but then hearing "we don't want DMH". At some point you have to figure out how to move the story, balance the size/scope of the game, and introduce new models. I'd protect Perdita because she needs some relevance but wouldn't mind a story where maybe Abuela and Papa Loco get killed by Seamus and Perdita shoots the tear out of his forehead. Open up some spots in the Family keyword and rid the world of Seamus 🔥 If I'm picking DMH masters only though Marcus (killed by Cooper), Seamus, Zipp, McCabe, Hoffman, Zoraida, Parker, and Yan Lo - he gets lost in the spirit realm forever.
Okay I was on board with Dita killing Seamus but then you killed Hoffman?!?! When is that poor man ever gonna catch a break And don't touch my boy Marcus. He's just a little kitty 🐈
@@DefectiveDice I was thinking Hoffman went to jail like Ramos because the Guild found out his Arcanist ties, someone snitched. I think Marcus needs to get shot by Cooper and eaten by the Malisaurus Rex so that Myranda can come to power and keep that storyline going with Cooper and the ES.
I disagree you on one thing: I just bought her, so i don't want Rasputina to die. Therefore, she wont die (: I think a way to progress her story is to have her fully win against December, or force the two to work together again from the Burning Man, going off a fire vs ice thing.
Its an interesting What If of how they would have replaced Lady J. The Deathmarshals are one of the groups that kind of sell the game to people. Nicodem is pretty replicable as the generic zombie horde character, and I remember his summon abilities just being a balance nightmare for Resurrectionists as a whole. Lillith is easily replaced mechanically/thematically by Nekima, and they just never did anything with Collodi in the plot. They did drop Ramos which was a pretty big deal for advancing the plot. Its a tricky thing with DMH. They need to keep releasing models but at the same time they can't run too many SKUs.
🔥🔥 I saw that coming with the Guild. I think Sonnia still has some stories that she can be apart of for sure. Lady J would have to go down in an epic fight. It looks like Wyrd is going to have Lady J and Reva face off soon
🔥 Cooper is my guy. I got into the game with Apex and love Lord Cooper. That said, from a story standpoint, I think the narrative should be that Marcus kills Cooper. This would allow Janus absolute control of the ExS, without her having to worry about Cooper attempting to reclaim control of The Society. She could commission a new robot to be the master, using their research from developing Cooper's new body and the success of building Model 9.
That's an interesting idea. But I'm not sure she would get any push back from him now, he doesn't seem to care about what they are all up to at all, he's just trying to get back out to hunting the most dangerous game.
I've really been enjoying your channel especially your choosing a master for each faction reviews. . . even though I already have me 2 masters (English Ivan & Cornelius Basse) and I have only been playing Malifaux for about a year so I am no expert on the lore like you but for DMH I sure hope it isn't Seamus as one of my two opponents plays him regularly; from what I know it seems that Pandora is walking around with a ticking timebomb on her so I could see her box blowing up and 2 new masters divvying up her crew. I don't know if making suggestions here is considered crass but I keep hoping to find videos where the creator goes into one or more of the crews they play personally and state what about the crew appeals most from both a lore and game play perspective and then goes over a sample list and sort of what they hope to accomplish in game; so maybe something to think about. Thanks for all of the great videos 🔥
Yeah Pandora is in a bit of a tough spot, but she has never really had much of a story arc so I'm hoping that we will see that developed a bit more before she gets the axe
I think the coolest Arcanist pick to be DMH would be Sandeep. Although I would be really sad to see him go. He seems to be one of the adhesives holding together the Arcanists and the M&SU, so I think it would be a good driver to split those into two separated factions. It would also be a really cool conclusion story for him to face his failures and maybe contemplate his victories. Now that I am typing this out. It could give us a chance to have Lohith regain a measure of his own humanity and we could have a master made of soulstone. A gamin keyword crew could be very interesting.
🔥I have a few different theories... I don't want to see it happen, but it feels like Pandora's on the path to DMH as she loses ever more of herself to two different Tyrants. Nekima's beef with Lynch and Huggy stems from the prophecy that they're going to... I forget the exact words, but either outright kill her or cause her downfall or something. She has to go down before Lynch does. Zoraida, Jedza, and Leveticus are basically a geriatric spellcaster club who've all known each other forever. I could see the three of them teaming up for one last combined effort at something. Also re: Emmeline being the first LGBT character - it's been strongly implied since they were introduced that Colette's inner circle are... let's say "not straight."
Malifaux having an evolving timeline/ rich lore is part of the draw. But it does suck if you've just picked up a crew and have that happen. I started playing 2nd at the end of its lifecycle - my chosen masters were Lilith and Ramos... The highest risk characters are the faces/ leaders of the factions. That's where the epic confrontations arise from I would like to see certain characters return - heck resurrection in wyrd ways is part of the lore.
No flame emoji from me, since I'm from Europe ;) But I really like your reasoning here, despite calling put both masters I currently collect (Jedza and Rasputina) and half of the ones mentioned are ones I've eyed when starting the game :P I've only been around Malifaux for a year or so and only recently found a regular opponent to play against (but I do love the gameplay) and everything is still soooo shiny :D Love your channel - you certainly earned a new subscriber (maybe patreon member in the future, but currently I'll have to wait with that)
Welcome to the community!! Sadly it costs a comical amount of money just to ship stuff to Canada and I could drive there. But I'm working on putting together some digital giveaways so stay tuned. Sadly there's a few on the chopping block who I love, but who knows? Maybe they'll surprise us
🔥its gotta be Nekima. She had her time to shine, but the adults are coming back to the table. We dont even need lilith back, there are plenty of Nephilim/Returned/Half-blood henchmen who could fill her shoes (hooves). That big guy 10ss henchman who is both Half-blood and Asylum could make a power grab.
Plus she’s got what, 3 potential threats minimum? Kastore probably wants her dead for what she did to Lilith, Titania could always just bring Lilith back, and then there’s the potential of her being Huggy’s next host
So I have a lot of thoughts about this topic, however, I'll only share one: I think it would be super cool for Marcus and Cooper to have their showdown and have Marcus be the victor. However, in order to kill Cooper, Marcus does something so egregious to his values that Myranda leaves him and ultimately takes over Cooper's place (and keyword) in the Society. Kinda wonky I know but I think it could work with appropriate story telling. 🔥 Also, almost completely off topic, but I've had an idea about the Bayou (that will probably upset a lot of people, but I have my reasons - I am totally willing to explain it, but it will be a little on the long side): what if for a secondary story arc, they had Bayou civil war the result of which they disbanded the Bayou faction and made each master who survived a part of a different faction? This could solve the issues surrounding how the Bayou has no real presence in the plot.
Oo that Bayou stuff gonna trigger a lot of people 😬 I like the Marcus idea, it definitely seems to fit that whoever wins the showdown will have to pay dearly (See: the Judge)
@@DefectiveDice yea...I know it will... I have just been having a lot of issues with the faction (which if you're down to chat about it via the discord, I'd love to get your opinion on).
Interesting thinking about this from a lore perspective. My feeling is that age of sculpt would be something to consider as well. Would be surprised to see lynch, justice and zoraida go as they received updated boxes for M3e. Its the oldest m2e boxes that i think would be for the chopping block!
Yeah that's something I hadn't considered, but I guess it depends on whether they are going to kick them out for a while edition again, or do more of a yearly cycle and therefore keep the models for sale. They also tend to re-box the models for the new editions so I wonder how that plays in
Oooh no no no, not Cooper or Jedza for ES they are by far my favourite two. I think the obvious choice would be McCabe, he's been around much longer. Then bring back Collodi, from what I remember he was having a bit of an existential crisis and was trying to find out who his maker was before he died? Or did that get resolved at some point? He could even come back as an Explorer. Can totally see Gretchin manipulating him into doing her bidding on a promise of helping him find out who his maker was
I always thought Collodi had more potential as a character, but we never really got much. That could be a fun angle, I doubt any Explorers will go in the near future. I think McCabe is still kind of relevant, I wanna see more of him exploring the sunken city
I picked up Alt metal Lilith and Lilith Avatar for when she returns. I could see Zorida getting sacrificed or maybe fusing with Lilith to heal/wake her up. Maybe with that angle, Lilith could become slip keyword being returned and swamp or something. Then it's not just a master swap between Lilith and Nekima. 🔥
That's a fun idea especially considering her original ties to the forest. Maybe it just gets a little more muddy and she goes to hang in the bayou more. I like it
I don't like how the DMH works. Even if some of these should die (wars usually have death after all.) I think the DMH should be reworked to how it was originally supposed to be. Most of these could just be fixed with a quick check in on the less relevant characters, even if the major arcs have to slow down. Plus I think the shorter more self contained stories are more fun anyways.🔥 Also a crazy idea but if Romos came back Toni (the absolutely wonderful and not frustrating character she is...) Probably would try to stop him. So I propose that since he was up there in age anyways, and the Arcanists/Guild have a robot master, he dies to escape prison, and comes back as Romos the Techromancer. With the Resserectionists (maybe duel faction with Arcanists, but mainly Res.) I never really understood why the two factions that were originally about freeing magic and fighting the guild were fighting eachother, even if it makes more sense now. Edit: spelling.
I mean, I'm always team #anyonebuttheGuild, but I can see why green and blue might not get along so well. Ramos as an undead techno dancer might change that. Sandeep and VonSchtook are already buddies. Never know
Parker would be my guess for outcasts. He's my favorite character in the series, but he quite literally is a Dead Man Walking. If he ends up being dead, I would love for Pearl to take over his title 🔥
Very surprised Wong wasn’t the Bayou pick. 🔥 Seems like a lot of commentators don’t like his playstyle, but more questionable is the optics… maybe Burt or a new gremlin could pick up the three demon bag if Wong permanently blasts himself into space?
Yeah I've had this mentioned by a few people. The only reason I didn't pick him is because I don't think he ever really got any story yet, and it seems like there might be one coming soon with the Kimono invasion. I know his rules are controversial but that can be fixed with an eratta so I didn't really consider things like that. I would be shocked if any of the DMH decisions were made last time based on play style since it was an edition change and everyone was getting new rules anyway
I think Seamus is a useful plot device, but I could see him going. I think Nekima's going to go, too. She's the least interesting in terms of the characters in NVB if we ignore fatigue re: Dreamer, and she seems to be getting pushed in a direction where she's needing to make desperate choices that could culminate in her end.
@DefectiveDice Didn't intend to suggest he's boring, more so fatigue in the sense of him being played at a high rate because he's been consistently good this edition
Yknow this kind of makes me really interested as to the possibility of malifaux 4th edition whereas on a top of having alternate forms of existing masters we could just have alternate masters. Snow and Rasputina for example don’t seem at odds at all and I could see Snow taking over the crew, or even having Lilith and Nekima able to swap places. (I’m personally hoping we can swap out Lucas McCabe for Sid) 🔥
2 masters in the same keyword would be kind of cool. It also avoids a big problem with the titles because you don't need to have every keyword get a new master cuz it doesn't really make a difference to the other Master when you're laying them, but you'd be at a disadvantage with no title
If they were to return one master from DMH, I'd pick Ramos and split the Arcanists. Instead of just splitting M&SU out and making a faction of the Good Guys, it'd be more interesting to have it be a brutal power struggle with the faction splintering between support for Ramos and for Toni. The only thing I can't figure is where Marcus and Rasputina go, and why they'd care when they're off doing wilderness things anyhow. Good luck to everyone for the giveaway!
🔥 Good timing. I'm just starting to play and am considering what core box to start with. I'd hate to buy one and then have it sunset. When do they announce the next round masters that will be added to Dead Man's Hand?
I think Ezekiel has enough personality to become a dual master bayou/resurrectionist, and it would maybe replace zoraida as the master of the swampfiend with a stronger bokor thematic
Plenty of folks will know about the Uncle Sam poster (wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Kitchener_Wants_You) cos it's meme worthy. In terms of DMH, as fun as this is, I kinda don't think that all Factions will lose a Master (or model) and it will be more driven by a non-fun playstyle or need to clear design space. As it is, the game could be criticised as suffering from bloat.
Bring back my Lillith!!!!! 🔥 I love your takes on these! I started playing my Lillith 14 years ago and made it a tradition to play her at least once in every convention or tourney I went to. (probably well over 100 games in total) and I miss her so! What I would love to see from to address balance/same schtick issues is just to simply go to a revolving schedule. Half of the masters would be season 1 (Jan - June) and the other half would be season 2 (July - Dec) This way you could balance competitive issues without effecting the story. This would also give you 6 months to retool the crews for errata while they aren't being played in tourneys. Also the cheese players would at least have to switch to a second crew for a bit :) Meanwhile for casual gaming and more important the story, all of our favorites are still in play. Probably not a perfect solution, but I think it would be fun. Once again I appreciate all of the malifaux awesomeness you bring to TH-cam! Great Job!
🔥 In 2e i played Lilith, Lynch, and Lucius. I lost 2 of my 3 main masters coming to m3e and I'd still like to see Collodi come back to neverborn over either of them. The puppets are lonely.
I mean Seamus is based on the real jack the ripper ain't he? Idk, SA is obviously bad, but so is murder, torture, and mutilation. It's either a dark setting or it's not.
In the last culling I lost 3 of the Masters I regularly play... Lilith, Collodi, Ramos. In fairness I took a hiatus prior to the culling but it still irks me. A month ago I decided to dust off my collection, buy new models, and get into Malifaux3e. Guess what? You just predicted that a bunch of the masters I currently play may go dead man's hand soonish. F my life! Priority masters I currently play Zor - x Lady J - x Ophelia - safe Lucius - x Rasputina - x Von Schill - x Nekima - x Dreamer - safe Pandora - safe? Kirai - safe McMourning - safe Viktorias - safe So 50%. Thanks a lot. Let Malifaux 🔥
😅😅😵 well luckily Wyrd doesn't listen to me. The only one there I think is super likely to go is Z, and I think Schill and Nekima will at least have some major shakeup. I think Lucius is safe. Lady J and Raspy I'm not too sure, could see it going either way.
🔥I wish wyrd would do more events to change up the story. I like what they're doing with Echoes of the Breach but I really feel like it should effect their current characters rather than add new ones. One of the things that kept Game of Thrones exciting for so long was that no character was safe, we need that energy in Malifaux. But I just play ttb so maybe my opinion is a bit skewed.
They used to have the events be a bit more important. They were on a hiatus with them for a while, so maybe this is just a sign that more will come in the future? I hope so too
I've got some buddies who are into Malifaux and we have a small scene at my FLGS. I'm debating between starting a Tiri Bygone list and a Sandeep Desai Elemental list. 🔥
I think a lot of the Dead Man's Hand decisions were made more because of game design than narrative. I'm sure narrative played a bit of a role, but you can easily see how the play styles of each dead master was at least somewhat subsumed by another master. Lilith was split into Nekima and Titania. Rezzers have Kirai as their strict summoner and Von Sctook as their more traditional necromancer feel, though his summoning mechanics are very peculiar. So, Nicodem ends up being kinda uninspired. Zoraida was always supposed to be the best "obey" master, but Collodi was functionally much better at it than she was. So when they removed him it allowed her to shine. And he's pretty limited in design scope. Which is sad, because his design is amazing and I miss him. Ramos was pretty boring game play wise, so there's no loss there. And Hoffman replaced him as the strict machinist. And Ryle was also very similar to other models, like Lazarus, so replacing him with a new Henchman was just more interesting. For all these reasons I doubt that any of them will come back anytime soon. The only one that could easily be brought back is Collodi and I think they'd change him fairly heavily, which I'd support. Either way... it's always fun to pontificate on stuff like this. Thanks for the great video.
I think they are all 1 story away from coming back without too much trouble, they seemed to write their deaths in such a way to leave that door open. But I agree that if any come back they will be very different
Gorsh would I like Colodi back, cuz the Puppet keyword is weirdly listless. What if Zorida transferred her soul into Vasalisa and became a new master of the Puppet keyword, as well as her previous one?
I'd like to see Bayou have an influence on the setting/main plot. I was thinking maybe if Ten Thunders finally killed Brewmaster, it would set off a massive gremlin jihad. 🔥Also, didn't Jacob Lynch used to be Neverborn? If he becomes a totem, maybe he'd swap back to Neverborn?
🔥 Lynch could be pretty easy to take out. On top of the reasons you gave, he doesn't have a huge number of keyword models, and they could maybe be folded into Qi & Gong, besides which they've not updated the Beckoners or Depleted sculpts, and the Illuminated aren't all that different to the M2e anyway. What to do with Huggie tho? Maybe it could strike up a deal with Rusty Alyce for the sweet entropic life force?
Wong might be lore relevant (who am I kidding, he's a gremlin) because of the 3 demons bag and it's ties to the story on earth right now. But maybe that's why he dies lol
I think the keywords most likely to lose a master are the ones in the global event: Honeypot Savage Redchapel Tri-Chi Academic Bandit Marshal Cadmus I think Nia will probably replace the dead master.
🔥dmh for lady justice and sonnia and let Director Rodriguez take over both keywords, Sonnia can just be earthside for a while and lady J can be having a pr tour for a gg or two. While they are at it, make Lucius Neverborn only. Zoraida...let the hag die in the arms of Levi. December can just be lead by Thoon or Snow. I play bayou but killing the entire faction is fine, it doesnt go anywhere and has no relevance. Throw Lucas in jail and solve 2 factions at once along with a very crutch master for a lot of people. All speculation but that is the fun of it
I can understand your reasonings to kill Seamus, but in light of the current global event having the Redchapel keyword I think Wyrd still loves him. Who I think is a more likely DMH candidate in Resser is McMourning which has lost his uniqueness after 'resigning' from the Guild. Being a Guild Coroner gave him so much power and access to Guild's resources, he had a position, he had an objective as an informant to the other Ressers. Now he's just a mad doctor living in the sewers scrambling for corpses and parts, which is kinda the same troupe as Von Schtook but without a definite objective. If McMourning does get the chop, I think his crew will be split: half admitted to the University and the other to Molly. Also, I think Director Rodriguez would be an interesting substitute for Justice.
Yeah that's not a bad theory. To me the fact that McMournings character is still changing hints that there is more in store for him, while Seamus has barely gotten a mention in the lore, but it's certainly possible that leaving the Guild was the beginning of the end for the Doc
Wyrd did kind of put themselves in a problematic place with this in 3rd edition. If they kill off any master, any at all, they kill 3 models at once. The master, the title, and the totem. A very bad look for them in this case.
I really hope not lol. if NIA gets the bandit keyword with the forged fates global campaign and immediately the bandit keyword gets thrown in the deadman’s hand that would feel terrible lol
I really hope Wyrd doesn’t go this route again. People invest a lot of time and money into crews and a lot of models have been added to specific keywords in 3rd edition. If they want to diminish people’s presence narratively that’s one thing but to yeet and delete an entire master or keyword would lead to a lot of unnecessary salt. 🔥
There's a difference between problematic in universe, and problematic out of universe. Many people feel that the way those 2 characters have been handled is distasteful.
@DefectiveDice I would honestly disagree, the whole setting of this game is based off of the rape of a land for its resources and the complete tyranny of control of absolute power. Im surprised there aren't more rapists and murderers. Also if you think about it, if you didnt crotchety old patriarch in the bayou there wouldn't be as an effective elevated female gremlin masters. I honestly think its kind of a bad take seeing as it atleast adds more variety and evil to you know... your bad guys.
I 100% agree on Som’er. He is the primary “head” of the gremlins but isn’t all that interesting in his trope. His play style in the game is probably the most generic of all of the master across all factions. 🔥
A while back on my discord a bunch of folks made ranked lists of their favorite masters (not on any specific criteria, just favorite) and when I compiled them, Somer was dead last... So that says something
I think🔥 Sonnia🔥 is getting transferred earth side, and Von Schill succumbs to his wounds . I agree that Seamus and Lynch are the best choices for their factions. I think it would be cool, though, if Lilith comes back as an Outcast/ Neverborn dual master and take the fight to her sister.
@@DefectiveDice Hoffman would be so mad and we would have an awesome feud with Von Schtook. For sure transmortis is against laws of amalgamation, but this makes it personal.
🔥🔥 I'll be controversial and say it, has McMourning really been relevant to the story since he resigned from the Guild? I don't have an immediate suggestion for a replacement or what to do with his crew, but I don't see as much interesting story potential as any of the others.
Good point. I think you could say the same for a lot of Masters. He would probably be high on my list of "maybe it's time to go" but I just defaulted to Seamus for rezzurs cuz eff that guy. I guess McM still just serves as a foil for lady J and the target of her quest for vengeance?
I think if you look at Malifaux as a game system Dead Man's Hand is a terrible idea. It makes established players feel bad, or even outright quit the game for loosing (potentially several) masters, and for new players it generates hesitation to get into the game (they cannot chose what they would like to play, or what they think is the coolest, as the crew they choose might get scattered/divided up or just get axed, so they might go with the "safest" choice which they might not get as deeply attached). The consideration of the metagame by now also seems like a false reason considering the amount of new crews that had been introduced since. Multiple release waves could have taken care of the balance issues, and it did not really stop the bloat either (as the number of profiles was not reduced significantly). From the narrative point I'm not totally convinced either, and for some reason the actual implementation felt underwhelming for me - it really felt that the reason behind was game balance/meta/gamestyle distinction, and the narrative was bent to fit that in more cases than not, and that's not really narrative *driven* but a bit of a game design copout justified by lore (esecially when most DMH decisions are easily revertable narratively). Sigh. I don't really like to be negative about a great game I love, but I cannot look at this particular concept any other way than an easy way out that hurts the most established fans and fails to add the stakes that it promises to deliver.
I think that the "outdated" characters line of thinking is very strange. The idea that a villain is too villainous is definitely something I disagree with. I like that Seamus is just evil, disgusting, and an absolute psycho. I am definitely a little tired of recent villains in all sorts of media having some type of tragic backstory to try to make us sympathize with them. I like Seamus being the way he is because I hate that psycho. He is horrible and since I started listening to the lore podcast I was real happy when he got stabbed through the shoulder (the slimy bastard.) So, I definitely don't agree with the logic, but if he has been around for a while I could see them trying to move on from trying to find a way to fit him in. Now, I should say that it definitely isn't for me, I want to start Malifaux and I am going to start with Lady J and Ophelia. That being said, I would hate it if Lady J gets killed off right when I start Malifaux haha. Also Parker Barrows and Perdita, I would hate to see those two go since I convinced some of my buddies to join me in playing Malifaux and those are the ones that caught their eye. Anyway, fun video and it keeps the itch to play Malifaux at bay while Parker comes back in stock.
🔥 Lady Justice should be taken out to avenge our dear Nicodemus ! (Ha, well, actually, still have to play here so crew so please nooo !). Better Seamus than anyone else, at least for some time. For ever.
The more I think about it, the more you are on to something with Zoraida. Story stuff aside, half of her keyword is already either dual keyword or versatile. It would also make Bayou more "tidy" removing the only non-gremlin master. I could see a world where they rotate her out and rotate Collodi back in, though they might need to make another dedicated puppet box to sort of bolster those ranks (unless it's actually a good idea to take a bunch of different effigies). 🔥
Who do you think will go DMH if they do another round, and who do you want to protect?
I want to protect Sonnia so she can begin a redemption arc!
Die Seamus Die! Put Red Chapel into Molly with Archie, Phillip and the Nanny, and other long time Molly friends (crooligans) Put the rest of the Forgotten and other odds and ends into other key words. Romance arc with Emeline and Molly!
Von schill is both the least and most likely master to die which is so weird so my actual choice is honestly Lucius. I hope that Anya Lycaryen becomes a serious antagonist so I hope that she doesn’t get killed off(I set my expectations reasonable sue me.)
i dont know nathan has a personal hatred against me so he might end whoever i like
im also banned from entering most competitions in the uk and usa for malifaux, im a ban on sight, i cant enter any comeptitions, the staff ansd owner of the company hate, me and im under constant restriction to post on facebook, im despised by all so any crew i like could vanish
Thanks for being one of the few Malifaux channels on TH-cam, there isn't a ton of content on here for the game so I appreciate the work you put in to help scratch my Malifaux itch! 🔥
Glad you're enjoying!!
This channel has really been great. Since starting Malifaux this channel has really helped me out. Thank you all.🔥
Glad to hear it!! 🔥🔥
The Hungering Darkness possesses and devours Nekima's soul (per Euripides' vison). In Nekima's absence Lillith is freed from Nythera (possibly by Zoraida and Levi completing their vision of saving Malifaux and dying in the process). Lillith then reclaims her throne. Fortune escapes imprisonment from Pandora and Woe, incidentally, finding Jakob Lynch's abandoned soulless husk and occupies it.
Those are some good options you have there👍
I like the fortune - Lynch thing, that could be interesting
Your channel got me into malifaux. I’m halfway through Nekima’s crew now with a league starting soon. 🔥
Welcome! That's very exciting. Glad it's coming along well
Seamus fills an important niche as an irredeemable villain. He's over the top and fun to hate. Not every character needs to be shades of gray.
He's basically just The Joker if he stole the Mad Hatter's clothes.
Agreed. I didn't wanna do into this in the video cuz it was already long, but I think it's okay to have purely bad guys, and even with some of the problematic elements of his character. I think the issue is that he was also played for comic relief, and I don't think it's a great look to have your rapey character also be funny. If you're gonna deal with a topic like that, it needs to be handled carefully. I think that's why people genuinely don't like Seamus but McMourning is fine.
I never get why people assume he's doing sex acts rather than that his serial killer targets follow a trend. To my knowledge wyrd never says as such and the only loose mention of sex is Marcus and myranda calling each other mates
True, but narratively he’d be one of the easier ones to fit since he’s basically carrying around Gorgon and I’d assume another Tyrant War has to be coming soon
@@IckypumpkinThere are some specific references to what he "does with" Molly, graphic graffiti of it...though one could choose to believe it Isn't that it's still heavily implied.
Another commenter mentioned this, but in our group we have been talking about how Wyrd should do a rotation to DMH, take out one or two masters, per faction, every gaining grounds, this would help with how much is now in the game, this could give them time to tweak masters and rules, and still put out models and masters to grow the game, then keep the rotation going year after year. That way if your favorite master is removed, you at least know they will be back in a year and can get your reps in on something else for awhile. Additionally, for casual play, you can at least use their rules from the time before they were put in DMH, so at least they would also be somewhat current as far as the power curve goes.
Sadly I agree, even though Seamus got me into the game, I think his time has come, and Emiline would be really cool replacement. 🔥
Yeah that's a bit more like how I think they envisioned it at the beginning, or at least the impression I and many others got for what their vision was. I hope they do something like that, it'll be hard for them to plan but the game may need it
@@DefectiveDice Something like this would cause me to quit playing - I did not spend all this money, time, and effort getting them built, painted and ready to be told I can't use them for a year, and I bet many players feel the same.
I think DMH as a lore tool is quite interesting. As much as it sucks to have your keyword removed, I think some character’s stories can be wrapped up. Some characters that have been active since 1e should temporarily (maybe permanently, like Seamus) DMH to let new faces do their thing 🔥
Yeah I like that they are so dedicated to the lore that it changes the game. And I agree sometimes it needs a shakeup
Speaking about Ryle: I can clearly see Hoffman becoming a new ressurectionists master playing with Amalgamation in M5E and reviving Ryle back
Oo how is he gonna fall that far? Just becoming obsessed with saving Rule?
Well, let’s be honest, it wouldn’t be the first, or really even the second time that Guild embraced Necromancy tacitly or otherwise. If Lady J goes DMH, maybe Hoffman sees his chance now that she’s gone
@@williambryant6175 Given that the Domador De Cadaveres are running around I think it's more of a 'do as I say not as I do' kind of thing.
I would love to see Hoffman stomping around with a Desolation and semi-resurrected Ryle.
Maybe Von Schtook could get a hold of Ryle's body somehow and start experimenting?
@@zombifiedkiwi given how lax Guild security is about body disposal, it shouldn’t be hard, lol
I'm new and not up-to-date on lore (I've only started Malifaux Burns), but I think there are opportunities to make new factions from either all of the masters that were deeply affected by the emergence of the Burning Man (e.g. Misaki, Maxine) or the masters that are Tyrants (e.g. Shen Long, Rasputina).
Stay tuned, I'm gonna do a video on that topic and I'll be curious what you think 🤔
I can see them changing directions with a few of the masters rather than killing them.
I can see Lucius losing most of the guild stuff and becoming entirely Mimic focused.
Lady J going off the deep end and returning to her necromatic roots would be interesting.
And Jakob is fine. Huggy will possess Nekima and he will get possessed by half of Fortune. With his luck, it'll be the bad luck portion (that could be fun mechanics).
I could see Yan Lo getting lost in the world between worlds for a while.
It sucks because I've always liked him, but man, Von Scholl is knocking on Heaven's door at this point.
Seamus coupd get torn apart by his belles at the order of Molly. Somehow she gets them to break their bond with him, just as she is starting too.
Nekima is screwed. So is Levi. Zoriada can't be far off either.
Yeah it'll be interesting to see if they do a faction shake up like at the beginning of 3rd. Some good ideas for all of those for sure!
I really don’t see them doing Dead Man Hands since I feel that Wyrd has done a good job balancing the game and even balancing it more and more…. Like with the Somer’s new card set and the things they did with the keyword.
But I would like Lilith to come back and Nekima runs to her Uncle and stands be his side since she doesn’t seem to have the mental aptitude to actually lead the Nephilim to the promise land like Lilith would.
And I think Returned could use a good beater like Nekima.
Now Lucius is my first and will always be my favorite master of all of Malifaux. But I have always thought the same thing as you… but I thought that his cover would be blown and all of the guild would capture him and basically reveal his face and then execute him with Dashel’s executioners.. and more importantly the new Female Alt Executioner who would be named in the story and be a special Executioner.
I know I sounds odd to destroy my favorite master, but Lucius has been doing a lot of shady stuff and wonder if he would ever get caught and also reveal his true identity as a final Easter egg and Dun Dun Dun… Finale Story of the best master of malifaux. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
If Malifaux ever ends entirely, it has to end on a Lucius face revel
It's wild hearing about how "bloated" the game has gotten with all the masters but then hearing "we don't want DMH". At some point you have to figure out how to move the story, balance the size/scope of the game, and introduce new models. I'd protect Perdita because she needs some relevance but wouldn't mind a story where maybe Abuela and Papa Loco get killed by Seamus and Perdita shoots the tear out of his forehead. Open up some spots in the Family keyword and rid the world of Seamus 🔥 If I'm picking DMH masters only though Marcus (killed by Cooper), Seamus, Zipp, McCabe, Hoffman, Zoraida, Parker, and Yan Lo - he gets lost in the spirit realm forever.
Okay I was on board with Dita killing Seamus but then you killed Hoffman?!?! When is that poor man ever gonna catch a break
And don't touch my boy Marcus. He's just a little kitty 🐈
@@DefectiveDice I was thinking Hoffman went to jail like Ramos because the Guild found out his Arcanist ties, someone snitched. I think Marcus needs to get shot by Cooper and eaten by the Malisaurus Rex so that Myranda can come to power and keep that storyline going with Cooper and the ES.
I disagree you on one thing: I just bought her, so i don't want Rasputina to die. Therefore, she wont die (:
I think a way to progress her story is to have her fully win against December, or force the two to work together again from the Burning Man, going off a fire vs ice thing.
Fingers crossed 😬
Totally agree about Seamas. The creep can 🔥 in Malihell. That place would be extra I'm sure.
🤣🤣 I think he's gonna lose the community vote
Mallihell😂 good one
Its an interesting What If of how they would have replaced Lady J. The Deathmarshals are one of the groups that kind of sell the game to people. Nicodem is pretty replicable as the generic zombie horde character, and I remember his summon abilities just being a balance nightmare for Resurrectionists as a whole. Lillith is easily replaced mechanically/thematically by Nekima, and they just never did anything with Collodi in the plot. They did drop Ramos which was a pretty big deal for advancing the plot. Its a tricky thing with DMH. They need to keep releasing models but at the same time they can't run too many SKUs.
🔥🔥 I saw that coming with the Guild. I think Sonnia still has some stories that she can be apart of for sure. Lady J would have to go down in an epic fight. It looks like Wyrd is going to have Lady J and Reva face off soon
That would be exciting! No matter who dies I just hope we get a wild story!!
🔥 Cooper is my guy. I got into the game with Apex and love Lord Cooper. That said, from a story standpoint, I think the narrative should be that Marcus kills Cooper. This would allow Janus absolute control of the ExS, without her having to worry about Cooper attempting to reclaim control of The Society. She could commission a new robot to be the master, using their research from developing Cooper's new body and the success of building Model 9.
That's an interesting idea. But I'm not sure she would get any push back from him now, he doesn't seem to care about what they are all up to at all, he's just trying to get back out to hunting the most dangerous game.
Pro gamer move: DMH every single master, promote all of their Henchmen
Wow chaos... I think Phillip would be very much in favor
I've really been enjoying your channel especially your choosing a master for each faction reviews. . . even though I already have me 2 masters (English Ivan & Cornelius Basse) and I have only been playing Malifaux for about a year so I am no expert on the lore like you but for DMH I sure hope it isn't Seamus as one of my two opponents plays him regularly; from what I know it seems that Pandora is walking around with a ticking timebomb on her so I could see her box blowing up and 2 new masters divvying up her crew. I don't know if making suggestions here is considered crass but I keep hoping to find videos where the creator goes into one or more of the crews they play personally and state what about the crew appeals most from both a lore and game play perspective and then goes over a sample list and sort of what they hope to accomplish in game; so maybe something to think about. Thanks for all of the great videos 🔥
Yeah Pandora is in a bit of a tough spot, but she has never really had much of a story arc so I'm hoping that we will see that developed a bit more before she gets the axe
🔥 Thanks for going off the path and making original content.
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I think the coolest Arcanist pick to be DMH would be Sandeep. Although I would be really sad to see him go.
He seems to be one of the adhesives holding together the Arcanists and the M&SU, so I think it would be a good driver to split those into two separated factions.
It would also be a really cool conclusion story for him to face his failures and maybe contemplate his victories.
Now that I am typing this out. It could give us a chance to have Lohith regain a measure of his own humanity and we could have a master made of soulstone. A gamin keyword crew could be very interesting.
Poor Sandeep 😢😢
🔥 I love this, it would be cool to have a video more in depth about how the current DMG could come back.
Hmm maybe I'll do just that
🔥I have a few different theories...
I don't want to see it happen, but it feels like Pandora's on the path to DMH as she loses ever more of herself to two different Tyrants.
Nekima's beef with Lynch and Huggy stems from the prophecy that they're going to... I forget the exact words, but either outright kill her or cause her downfall or something. She has to go down before Lynch does.
Zoraida, Jedza, and Leveticus are basically a geriatric spellcaster club who've all known each other forever. I could see the three of them teaming up for one last combined effort at something.
Also re: Emmeline being the first LGBT character - it's been strongly implied since they were introduced that Colette's inner circle are... let's say "not straight."
Yeah Pandy is having a bad time lately, I could see her getting the axe too. She's never really felt like much more than an archetype to me tbh
I heard that Lucius is going to die of a pulmonary embolism and be replaced by Defective Dice
Listen I'm quite fond of myself, but I can hold a candle to that man's level of pompous self importance... But I'll try 😎
Malifaux having an evolving timeline/ rich lore is part of the draw. But it does suck if you've just picked up a crew and have that happen. I started playing 2nd at the end of its lifecycle - my chosen masters were Lilith and Ramos... The highest risk characters are the faces/ leaders of the factions. That's where the epic confrontations arise from
I would like to see certain characters return - heck resurrection in wyrd ways is part of the lore.
Yeah I think they all have clear paths to returning. Imagine the headlines when they announce it 😍
Wish wyrd would just do a rotation of masters into and out of dead mans hand every gg. Would help with bloat.
Agreed
No flame emoji from me, since I'm from Europe ;) But I really like your reasoning here, despite calling put both masters I currently collect (Jedza and Rasputina) and half of the ones mentioned are ones I've eyed when starting the game :P
I've only been around Malifaux for a year or so and only recently found a regular opponent to play against (but I do love the gameplay) and everything is still soooo shiny :D Love your channel - you certainly earned a new subscriber (maybe patreon member in the future, but currently I'll have to wait with that)
Welcome to the community!! Sadly it costs a comical amount of money just to ship stuff to Canada and I could drive there. But I'm working on putting together some digital giveaways so stay tuned.
Sadly there's a few on the chopping block who I love, but who knows? Maybe they'll surprise us
🔥its gotta be Nekima. She had her time to shine, but the adults are coming back to the table. We dont even need lilith back, there are plenty of Nephilim/Returned/Half-blood henchmen who could fill her shoes (hooves). That big guy 10ss henchman who is both Half-blood and Asylum could make a power grab.
Yeah there are kinda a lot of beasties vying for the spot. I think Nekima needs to go too though
Plus she’s got what, 3 potential threats minimum? Kastore probably wants her dead for what she did to Lilith, Titania could always just bring Lilith back, and then there’s the potential of her being Huggy’s next host
So I have a lot of thoughts about this topic, however, I'll only share one: I think it would be super cool for Marcus and Cooper to have their showdown and have Marcus be the victor. However, in order to kill Cooper, Marcus does something so egregious to his values that Myranda leaves him and ultimately takes over Cooper's place (and keyword) in the Society. Kinda wonky I know but I think it could work with appropriate story telling. 🔥
Also, almost completely off topic, but I've had an idea about the Bayou (that will probably upset a lot of people, but I have my reasons - I am totally willing to explain it, but it will be a little on the long side): what if for a secondary story arc, they had Bayou civil war the result of which they disbanded the Bayou faction and made each master who survived a part of a different faction? This could solve the issues surrounding how the Bayou has no real presence in the plot.
Oo that Bayou stuff gonna trigger a lot of people 😬 I like the Marcus idea, it definitely seems to fit that whoever wins the showdown will have to pay dearly (See: the Judge)
@@DefectiveDice yea...I know it will... I have just been having a lot of issues with the faction (which if you're down to chat about it via the discord, I'd love to get your opinion on).
@@alexanderbroder2725 always! You know where to find me
Interesting thinking about this from a lore perspective. My feeling is that age of sculpt would be something to consider as well. Would be surprised to see lynch, justice and zoraida go as they received updated boxes for M3e. Its the oldest m2e boxes that i think would be for the chopping block!
Yeah that's something I hadn't considered, but I guess it depends on whether they are going to kick them out for a while edition again, or do more of a yearly cycle and therefore keep the models for sale. They also tend to re-box the models for the new editions so I wonder how that plays in
🔥 would be kind of crazy if we got a 3.5 E, and they gave all the masters an alternative/replaced totem.
I'm in favor of that. So much interesting potential for the lore and the gameplay
Oooh no no no, not Cooper or Jedza for ES they are by far my favourite two. I think the obvious choice would be McCabe, he's been around much longer. Then bring back Collodi, from what I remember he was having a bit of an existential crisis and was trying to find out who his maker was before he died? Or did that get resolved at some point? He could even come back as an Explorer. Can totally see Gretchin manipulating him into doing her bidding on a promise of helping him find out who his maker was
I always thought Collodi had more potential as a character, but we never really got much. That could be a fun angle, I doubt any Explorers will go in the near future. I think McCabe is still kind of relevant, I wanna see more of him exploring the sunken city
I picked up Alt metal Lilith and Lilith Avatar for when she returns. I could see Zorida getting sacrificed or maybe fusing with Lilith to heal/wake her up. Maybe with that angle, Lilith could become slip keyword being returned and swamp or something. Then it's not just a master swap between Lilith and Nekima. 🔥
That's a fun idea especially considering her original ties to the forest. Maybe it just gets a little more muddy and she goes to hang in the bayou more. I like it
I don't like how the DMH works. Even if some of these should die (wars usually have death after all.) I think the DMH should be reworked to how it was originally supposed to be. Most of these could just be fixed with a quick check in on the less relevant characters, even if the major arcs have to slow down. Plus I think the shorter more self contained stories are more fun anyways.🔥
Also a crazy idea but if Romos came back Toni (the absolutely wonderful and not frustrating character she is...) Probably would try to stop him. So I propose that since he was up there in age anyways, and the Arcanists/Guild have a robot master, he dies to escape prison, and comes back as Romos the Techromancer. With the Resserectionists (maybe duel faction with Arcanists, but mainly Res.) I never really understood why the two factions that were originally about freeing magic and fighting the guild were fighting eachother, even if it makes more sense now.
Edit: spelling.
I mean, I'm always team #anyonebuttheGuild, but I can see why green and blue might not get along so well. Ramos as an undead techno dancer might change that. Sandeep and VonSchtook are already buddies. Never know
Parker would be my guess for outcasts. He's my favorite character in the series, but he quite literally is a Dead Man Walking. If he ends up being dead, I would love for Pearl to take over his title 🔥
That would be kinda cool. I'm rooting for Doc Mitchell but I don't think it'll happen 😅
Very surprised Wong wasn’t the Bayou pick. 🔥 Seems like a lot of commentators don’t like his playstyle, but more questionable is the optics… maybe Burt or a new gremlin could pick up the three demon bag if Wong permanently blasts himself into space?
Yeah I've had this mentioned by a few people. The only reason I didn't pick him is because I don't think he ever really got any story yet, and it seems like there might be one coming soon with the Kimono invasion. I know his rules are controversial but that can be fixed with an eratta so I didn't really consider things like that. I would be shocked if any of the DMH decisions were made last time based on play style since it was an edition change and everyone was getting new rules anyway
Just recently got back into Malifaux, and love the videos. Keep it up! 🔥
Welcome back!!
I think Seamus is a useful plot device, but I could see him going. I think Nekima's going to go, too. She's the least interesting in terms of the characters in NVB if we ignore fatigue re: Dreamer, and she seems to be getting pushed in a direction where she's needing to make desperate choices that could culminate in her end.
Dreamer least interesting? I know a whole lotta folks who would strongly disagree.
I'm not one of those folks, but there's a lot of em 😅
@DefectiveDice Didn't intend to suggest he's boring, more so fatigue in the sense of him being played at a high rate because he's been consistently good this edition
@@TheHarleqwin oh okay gotcha haha my opponent dropped him after the big nerf so I haven't seen him in a while actually
Yknow this kind of makes me really interested as to the possibility of malifaux 4th edition whereas on a top of having alternate forms of existing masters we could just have alternate masters. Snow and Rasputina for example don’t seem at odds at all and I could see Snow taking over the crew, or even having Lilith and Nekima able to swap places. (I’m personally hoping we can swap out Lucas McCabe for Sid) 🔥
2 masters in the same keyword would be kind of cool. It also avoids a big problem with the titles because you don't need to have every keyword get a new master cuz it doesn't really make a difference to the other Master when you're laying them, but you'd be at a disadvantage with no title
If they were to return one master from DMH, I'd pick Ramos and split the Arcanists.
Instead of just splitting M&SU out and making a faction of the Good Guys, it'd be more interesting to have it be a brutal power struggle with the faction splintering between support for Ramos and for Toni. The only thing I can't figure is where Marcus and Rasputina go, and why they'd care when they're off doing wilderness things anyhow.
Good luck to everyone for the giveaway!
Yeah noone knows what to do with Marcus and Raspy lol
🔥 Good timing. I'm just starting to play and am considering what core box to start with. I'd hate to buy one and then have it sunset. When do they announce the next round masters that will be added to Dead Man's Hand?
We don't know if they ever will. It's only ever happened once, in the transition from 2nd edition to 3rd edition
I'm newer to the game so I don't really know who I'd pick to put in DMH but I am interested to see where some of these upcoming stories will take us 🔥
Welcome!!
I think Ezekiel has enough personality to become a dual master bayou/resurrectionist, and it would maybe replace zoraida as the master of the swampfiend with a stronger bokor thematic
That would be kinda cool, I hope we see him start popping up more in the lore
I Hope perdita doesnt go away she is one of my favorites
It would feel really bad if she did. They have never done her justice in the lore imo
Plenty of folks will know about the Uncle Sam poster (wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Kitchener_Wants_You) cos it's meme worthy. In terms of DMH, as fun as this is, I kinda don't think that all Factions will lose a Master (or model) and it will be more driven by a non-fun playstyle or need to clear design space. As it is, the game could be criticised as suffering from bloat.
The one per faction thing was just a way to limit the scope of the video, otherwise it would have been too open ended
Bring back my Lillith!!!!! 🔥 I love your takes on these! I started playing my Lillith 14 years ago and made it a tradition to play her at least once in every convention or tourney I went to. (probably well over 100 games in total) and I miss her so!
What I would love to see from to address balance/same schtick issues is just to simply go to a revolving schedule. Half of the masters would be season 1 (Jan - June) and the other half would be season 2 (July - Dec) This way you could balance competitive issues without effecting the story. This would also give you 6 months to retool the crews for errata while they aren't being played in tourneys. Also the cheese players would at least have to switch to a second crew for a bit :) Meanwhile for casual gaming and more important the story, all of our favorites are still in play. Probably not a perfect solution, but I think it would be fun.
Once again I appreciate all of the malifaux awesomeness you bring to TH-cam! Great Job!
Yeah I think a regular schedule like that is the way to go from a gameplay perspective for sure. Feels less bad for folks who love those masters
🔥 In 2e i played Lilith, Lynch, and Lucius. I lost 2 of my 3 main masters coming to m3e and I'd still like to see Collodi come back to neverborn over either of them. The puppets are lonely.
The puppets are lonely 😅 I'd be shocked if they don't get a master again in the future, whether its Collodi shaped or not
I mean Seamus is based on the real jack the ripper ain't he? Idk, SA is obviously bad, but so is murder, torture, and mutilation. It's either a dark setting or it's not.
In the last culling I lost 3 of the Masters I regularly play... Lilith, Collodi, Ramos. In fairness I took a hiatus prior to the culling but it still irks me.
A month ago I decided to dust off my collection, buy new models, and get into Malifaux3e. Guess what? You just predicted that a bunch of the masters I currently play may go dead man's hand soonish. F my life!
Priority masters I currently play
Zor - x
Lady J - x
Ophelia - safe
Lucius - x
Rasputina - x
Von Schill - x
Nekima - x
Dreamer - safe
Pandora - safe?
Kirai - safe
McMourning - safe
Viktorias - safe
So 50%. Thanks a lot.
Let Malifaux 🔥
😅😅😵 well luckily Wyrd doesn't listen to me. The only one there I think is super likely to go is Z, and I think Schill and Nekima will at least have some major shakeup. I think Lucius is safe. Lady J and Raspy I'm not too sure, could see it going either way.
🔥I wish wyrd would do more events to change up the story. I like what they're doing with Echoes of the Breach but I really feel like it should effect their current characters rather than add new ones. One of the things that kept Game of Thrones exciting for so long was that no character was safe, we need that energy in Malifaux. But I just play ttb so maybe my opinion is a bit skewed.
They used to have the events be a bit more important. They were on a hiatus with them for a while, so maybe this is just a sign that more will come in the future? I hope so too
🔥🔥 - I think I would protect Rasputina. I like her back story and I have been working on all three of her models. 😁
She definitely has a ton of lore and is really well developed. But what else is gonna happen with her?
I've got some buddies who are into Malifaux and we have a small scene at my FLGS. I'm debating between starting a Tiri Bygone list and a Sandeep Desai Elemental list. 🔥
Oo both good choices 🤔
I think a lot of the Dead Man's Hand decisions were made more because of game design than narrative. I'm sure narrative played a bit of a role, but you can easily see how the play styles of each dead master was at least somewhat subsumed by another master.
Lilith was split into Nekima and Titania. Rezzers have Kirai as their strict summoner and Von Sctook as their more traditional necromancer feel, though his summoning mechanics are very peculiar. So, Nicodem ends up being kinda uninspired. Zoraida was always supposed to be the best "obey" master, but Collodi was functionally much better at it than she was. So when they removed him it allowed her to shine. And he's pretty limited in design scope. Which is sad, because his design is amazing and I miss him. Ramos was pretty boring game play wise, so there's no loss there. And Hoffman replaced him as the strict machinist. And Ryle was also very similar to other models, like Lazarus, so replacing him with a new Henchman was just more interesting.
For all these reasons I doubt that any of them will come back anytime soon. The only one that could easily be brought back is Collodi and I think they'd change him fairly heavily, which I'd support.
Either way... it's always fun to pontificate on stuff like this. Thanks for the great video.
I think they are all 1 story away from coming back without too much trouble, they seemed to write their deaths in such a way to leave that door open. But I agree that if any come back they will be very different
Gorsh would I like Colodi back, cuz the Puppet keyword is weirdly listless.
What if Zorida transferred her soul into Vasalisa and became a new master of the Puppet keyword, as well as her previous one?
That would be cool, but both those keywords already pretty big 😅
🔥 Congrats on 3k!
Thank you!!!
I'd like to see Bayou have an influence on the setting/main plot. I was thinking maybe if Ten Thunders finally killed Brewmaster, it would set off a massive gremlin jihad. 🔥Also, didn't Jacob Lynch used to be Neverborn? If he becomes a totem, maybe he'd swap back to Neverborn?
Could be. Huggy is a neverborn technically, but he isn't really aligned with any of the others (not that that stops anyone else)
🔥 Lynch could be pretty easy to take out. On top of the reasons you gave, he doesn't have a huge number of keyword models, and they could maybe be folded into Qi & Gong, besides which they've not updated the Beckoners or Depleted sculpts, and the Illuminated aren't all that different to the M2e anyway.
What to do with Huggie tho? Maybe it could strike up a deal with Rusty Alyce for the sweet entropic life force?
Great video! Congrats on the milestone! I do think that Wong should be the Gremlin on the way out. But that may just be me 🔥🔥
I agree with that. Wong is a bit problematic, tho the rest of his keyword is pretty cool...
Eh, I can understand why it might be considered offensive, but he's not really causing any problems for the story or the game for that matter.
Wong might be lore relevant (who am I kidding, he's a gremlin) because of the 3 demons bag and it's ties to the story on earth right now. But maybe that's why he dies lol
Real wild would be Nekima becomes the Honeypot master fulfilling that prophecy.
🔥 I am new to malifaux, i love your videos and excited to learn more.
Welcome! Glad to have you here
I think the keywords most likely to lose a master are the ones in the global event:
Honeypot
Savage
Redchapel
Tri-Chi
Academic
Bandit
Marshal
Cadmus
I think Nia will probably replace the dead master.
Very interesting... If it has to happen, I hope you are right.
How funny would it be if that's the ending. "Hey this master youve been "supporting" through this whole campaign? Yeah they're dead" 🤣🤣 amazing
🔥dmh for lady justice and sonnia and let Director Rodriguez take over both keywords, Sonnia can just be earthside for a while and lady J can be having a pr tour for a gg or two. While they are at it, make Lucius Neverborn only. Zoraida...let the hag die in the arms of Levi. December can just be lead by Thoon or Snow. I play bayou but killing the entire faction is fine, it doesnt go anywhere and has no relevance. Throw Lucas in jail and solve 2 factions at once along with a very crutch master for a lot of people. All speculation but that is the fun of it
🤣🤣 crazy stuff, I like it.
Idk how loudly you wanna be saying "kill all the bayou". Bayou fans are everywhere and they're not peaceful folks 👀
🔥 I think those are all solid picks for the next round of dead man's hand
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I can understand your reasonings to kill Seamus, but in light of the current global event having the Redchapel keyword I think Wyrd still loves him. Who I think is a more likely DMH candidate in Resser is McMourning which has lost his uniqueness after 'resigning' from the Guild. Being a Guild Coroner gave him so much power and access to Guild's resources, he had a position, he had an objective as an informant to the other Ressers. Now he's just a mad doctor living in the sewers scrambling for corpses and parts, which is kinda the same troupe as Von Schtook but without a definite objective. If McMourning does get the chop, I think his crew will be split: half admitted to the University and the other to Molly. Also, I think Director Rodriguez would be an interesting substitute for Justice.
Yeah that's not a bad theory. To me the fact that McMournings character is still changing hints that there is more in store for him, while Seamus has barely gotten a mention in the lore, but it's certainly possible that leaving the Guild was the beginning of the end for the Doc
Wyrd did kind of put themselves in a problematic place with this in 3rd edition. If they kill off any master, any at all, they kill 3 models at once. The master, the title, and the totem. A very bad look for them in this case.
Yeah, that's true. I think we will see titles go away for sure if we get a new edition
I think Parker might be on his way, they already killed him and made his title pretty irrelevant.
I really hope not lol. if NIA gets the bandit keyword with the forged fates global campaign and immediately the bandit keyword gets thrown in the deadman’s hand that would feel terrible lol
Could be. He is in a weird spot now but I think Levi gotta go first lol
I really hope Wyrd doesn’t go this route again. People invest a lot of time and money into crews and a lot of models have been added to specific keywords in 3rd edition. If they want to diminish people’s presence narratively that’s one thing but to yeet and delete an entire master or keyword would lead to a lot of unnecessary salt. 🔥
I think they could do it again and just cycle the masters out more frequently so it didn't feel as bad for those players
Deleting all the models in an entire keyword would be horrible... but I don't think Wyrd is going to do that. Now if it were Games Workshop...
Getting rid of "problematic" characters... Yes the villians can't be problematic.
There's a difference between problematic in universe, and problematic out of universe. Many people feel that the way those 2 characters have been handled is distasteful.
@DefectiveDice I would honestly disagree, the whole setting of this game is based off of the rape of a land for its resources and the complete tyranny of control of absolute power. Im surprised there aren't more rapists and murderers. Also if you think about it, if you didnt crotchety old patriarch in the bayou there wouldn't be as an effective elevated female gremlin masters. I honestly think its kind of a bad take seeing as it atleast adds more variety and evil to you know... your bad guys.
As a resser player Im bias, but I think Nico should come back. 🔥 Were lacking a dedicated zombie master in the zombie faction.
What if Zeke and black dragon form a new keyword that focuses on them? I think if Niko comes back it'll be as a ghost
Love the channel! Here is to pirates! 🔥
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🔥 I'm most mad at the wyrdscapes mansion terrain getting the dead man's hand treatment
Best comment on the video 🤣🤣
I don't really have a horse in this race since I just started playing and my crew is Cadmus lol, but it's certainly an interesting thought exercise🔥
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Okay, I’ll hear you out. But if you say Pandora, I’ll never forgive you…
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I just started the game, so I'm hoping Nekima sticks around for a while. 🔥
There's gonna be a situation for sure, but how she will fare we will have to wait and see
But don't title versions make it more unlikely for masters to go Dead Man's Hand? 🔥
How so? They just kill both versions
I 100% agree on Som’er. He is the primary “head” of the gremlins but isn’t all that interesting in his trope. His play style in the game is probably the most generic of all of the master across all factions. 🔥
A while back on my discord a bunch of folks made ranked lists of their favorite masters (not on any specific criteria, just favorite) and when I compiled them, Somer was dead last... So that says something
🔥 I think that Lillith should come back and have a Nepilim civil war with her sister
It's gonna be even crazier this time if they do that ⚔️⚔️
I think🔥 Sonnia🔥 is getting transferred earth side, and Von Schill succumbs to his wounds . I agree that Seamus and Lynch are the best choices for their factions. I think it would be cool, though, if Lilith comes back as an Outcast/ Neverborn dual master and take the fight to her sister.
Agreed! Then with Kastore it would be a 3 faction alliance, kind of.
Man, hasn't Lucius suffered enough? Let the poor guy be! 🔥
🔥 a bit related, I’d love for Puppet to make a return out of Dead Man’s Hand! Give me some Collodi as someone that never got to play him before
It's weird how big that keyword is and doesn't have a true master. I bet we will see someone leading it again some day.
@@DefectiveDice I could easily imagine Collodi’s head being the totem as well
Seamus as a character really feels played out and such a product of 1st edition Malifaux, so I expect you're right and he'll be booted. 🔥
Yeah not a ton of big supporters in his camp I feel
Ryle is coming back… as a transmortis!🔥
That would be sick tbh. Poor Charles... Hasn't he been through enough?
@@DefectiveDice Hoffman would be so mad and we would have an awesome feud with Von Schtook. For sure transmortis is against laws of amalgamation, but this makes it personal.
🔥glad i could find another malifaux channel. Just getting into the game but already a rezzer loyalist 🧟♂️
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I'll be controversial and say it, has McMourning really been relevant to the story since he resigned from the Guild? I don't have an immediate suggestion for a replacement or what to do with his crew, but I don't see as much interesting story potential as any of the others.
Good point. I think you could say the same for a lot of Masters. He would probably be high on my list of "maybe it's time to go" but I just defaulted to Seamus for rezzurs cuz eff that guy. I guess McM still just serves as a foil for lady J and the target of her quest for vengeance?
Praise to the burning man 🔥🔥🔥
Oh no 😱
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🔥I hope Lady J stays. Wong and McCabe are my picks for DMH.
Everyone out here trying to kill Wong 😅
I think if you look at Malifaux as a game system Dead Man's Hand is a terrible idea. It makes established players feel bad, or even outright quit the game for loosing (potentially several) masters, and for new players it generates hesitation to get into the game (they cannot chose what they would like to play, or what they think is the coolest, as the crew they choose might get scattered/divided up or just get axed, so they might go with the "safest" choice which they might not get as deeply attached). The consideration of the metagame by now also seems like a false reason considering the amount of new crews that had been introduced since. Multiple release waves could have taken care of the balance issues, and it did not really stop the bloat either (as the number of profiles was not reduced significantly).
From the narrative point I'm not totally convinced either, and for some reason the actual implementation felt underwhelming for me - it really felt that the reason behind was game balance/meta/gamestyle distinction, and the narrative was bent to fit that in more cases than not, and that's not really narrative *driven* but a bit of a game design copout justified by lore (esecially when most DMH decisions are easily revertable narratively). Sigh. I don't really like to be negative about a great game I love, but I cannot look at this particular concept any other way than an easy way out that hurts the most established fans and fails to add the stakes that it promises to deliver.
personally I hope they dont do another dead man's hand, I kinda like all of the leaders currently in the game.🔥
Yeah I'll be sad to see most go too, but who knows what's gonna happen
I think that the "outdated" characters line of thinking is very strange. The idea that a villain is too villainous is definitely something I disagree with. I like that Seamus is just evil, disgusting, and an absolute psycho. I am definitely a little tired of recent villains in all sorts of media having some type of tragic backstory to try to make us sympathize with them. I like Seamus being the way he is because I hate that psycho. He is horrible and since I started listening to the lore podcast I was real happy when he got stabbed through the shoulder (the slimy bastard.) So, I definitely don't agree with the logic, but if he has been around for a while I could see them trying to move on from trying to find a way to fit him in.
Now, I should say that it definitely isn't for me, I want to start Malifaux and I am going to start with Lady J and Ophelia. That being said, I would hate it if Lady J gets killed off right when I start Malifaux haha. Also Parker Barrows and Perdita, I would hate to see those two go since I convinced some of my buddies to join me in playing Malifaux and those are the ones that caught their eye.
Anyway, fun video and it keeps the itch to play Malifaux at bay while Parker comes back in stock.
I’m hoping rasputina survives 🔥
I should have skipped Arcanists but all of the people who support the wrong teams would have cried foul 😞
*PTSD Intensified*
Ahh Ive accomplished my mission. You'll be happy to hear that Collodi is the fan favorite to come back from DMH
Pirate Molly is 🔥 So are you!
Oh, and Lucius can totally die.
I don't hold a candle to her 🔥🔥 🤣
I hope we dont get any more DMH, Lilith got done dirty 🔥
I wonder if any will come back 🔥
👀 so many little hints they've dropped
🔥 Lady Justice should be taken out to avenge our dear Nicodemus ! (Ha, well, actually, still have to play here so crew so please nooo !). Better Seamus than anyone else, at least for some time. For ever.
The more I think about it, the more you are on to something with Zoraida. Story stuff aside, half of her keyword is already either dual keyword or versatile. It would also make Bayou more "tidy" removing the only non-gremlin master. I could see a world where they rotate her out and rotate Collodi back in, though they might need to make another dedicated puppet box to sort of bolster those ranks (unless it's actually a good idea to take a bunch of different effigies). 🔥
Right now the effigies seem very good with Collodi, but if it comes back it might be totally different
They better not get rid of lady J 😢
🔥The Arcanist forever!
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